Breaking - Flames FInally Offer Sheet O'Reilly

Kent Wilson
February 28 2013 03:56PM

 

 

According to Darren Dreger on twitter.

We've covered why this is a good idea here.

More as this develops.

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#51 mk
February 28 2013, 04:32PM
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I'm not huge on the idea of giving up a 1st and 3rd, especially in a year where the Flames could have a lottery pick.

However, if there was a player to do that to, ROR is one. Young (21), a natural center, plays in tough minutes and drives play, natural center, excellent playmaker, natural center, young, natural center, young, natural center...well you get the picture.

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#52 Blob
February 28 2013, 04:32PM
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Interesting timimg with the game tonight.

Just concidence or something else? I love a good conspiracy theory.

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#53 schevvy
February 28 2013, 04:34PM
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FIST FIGHT IN THE PRESS BOX!

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#54 shutout
February 28 2013, 04:35PM
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This move is a great move from a rebuilding/retooling standpoint as well. If Iginla decides that he wants to try out a team that has a better chance at the cup then the Flames still have options in Iginla and Kiprusoff and maybe even Bouwmeester to acquire draft stock to make up for those potentially going out now.

O'Reilly is not a superstar player and does not deserve over $6M but the Flames are terrible at drafting, need youth that can play on the team, and have a huge hole at center.

Unless they end up picking top 5 then it is a good deal.

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#55 Parallex
February 28 2013, 04:36PM
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@MC Hockey

Well he can lay for whomever he wants... but his bedroom practices are really none of our business :)

Kidding... Feasters got some brass ones here. Hope he's in game shape cause I'd like that 1st rounder to be as low as possible (also hope Taylor Cammarata sticks around until the fourth.

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#56 Scary Gary
February 28 2013, 04:36PM
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Trade deadline may be March 4th next year.

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#57 SadFlamesFan
February 28 2013, 04:36PM
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I guess this will solidify our run for the cup this year . . .

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#58 SmellOfVictory
February 28 2013, 04:37PM
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Really would've been a better idea to do this a tad earlier in the season, so they could have won another game or two.

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#59 John Chambers
February 28 2013, 04:38PM
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O'Reilly's signing could also be incentive for Iginla and Kipper to re-sign.

If they fail to make the playoffs and surrender a lottery pick, at least that blow will be tempered by the fact theyphase a ready-made top-line centre for at least four seasons and likely more.

Could also attract other FAs to sign with Calgary in this summer's upcoming bull market.

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#60 suba steve
February 28 2013, 04:41PM
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Timing is interesting. In 2012 the trade deadline was Feb 27/2012. So, it seems that Col is stuck with ROR for the full 2 seasons if they match, then he's a UFA again. Nice.

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#61 the-wolf
February 28 2013, 04:43PM
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Why did the avs not move him yet? They've really painted themselves into a corner.

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#62 suba steve
February 28 2013, 04:45PM
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@the-wolf

because they, like the Flames, battle with periods of ineptitude

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#63 First Name Unidentified
February 28 2013, 04:45PM
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The Avs have one week to match the offer. we would give up a 1st and 3rd.

@Kent: I think the reason they only "offersheeted" for 2 years is because by then the Avs will need to sign Landeskog and Duchene. Which will make it difficult for them to sign ROR too!

I'm so pumped. Hopefully they won't match it. If they really wanted to sign him they could have gone the arbitration route. Now that option is not available to them anymore.

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#64 icedawg_42
February 28 2013, 04:46PM
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I love it. After the McGrattan deal today I was on a huge low...now im on a total high. Great move. I just hope it pans out

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#65 Monaertchi
February 28 2013, 04:48PM
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suba steve wrote:

Timing is interesting. In 2012 the trade deadline was Feb 27/2012. So, it seems that Col is stuck with ROR for the full 2 seasons if they match, then he's a UFA again. Nice.

Oh man, that's dirty. I love it!

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#66 Scary Gary
February 28 2013, 04:50PM
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suba steve wrote:

Timing is interesting. In 2012 the trade deadline was Feb 27/2012. So, it seems that Col is stuck with ROR for the full 2 seasons if they match, then he's a UFA again. Nice.

Possibly a Mar 4 2014 trade deadline and you mean RFA.

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#68 NateBaldwin
February 28 2013, 04:53PM
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@Scary Gary

fan is reporting deadline is expected to be between feb 25-27th and he meant RFA

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#69 RKD
February 28 2013, 04:53PM
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Wow, I am truly stunned. Anytime the Flames go after a big fish they don't always land them, i.e. Feaster offered Brad Richards more money and he still went to NYR for less.

I am interested to see if Colorado will match, Pierre LaCroix is behind the scenes and immediately matched when NYR signed Joe Sakic to an offer sheet in 1999.

Is ROR the guy that can take the Flames over the top? More importantly, is Jay Feaster listening to Kent Wilson! I'm more concerned about ROR's attitude, his father's ala Eric Lindros influence. Will he be a headcase and/or a guy who doesn't want to play for the Flames down the road.

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#70 Scary Gary
February 28 2013, 04:55PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Pike and I discussed that possibility too.

I'm giddy (not to be confused with giggy)!

Interesting timing, I had just started to try sell some of my flames tickets...maybe some of those last minute ticket packs will actually sell now.

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#71 RED 31
February 28 2013, 04:57PM
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Thank goodness that the Jets wanted too much for Olli Jokinen!!!! This is BOLD and completely refreshing for a moribund franchise.

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#72 Big Cap
February 28 2013, 05:04PM
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I hate Feaster and I hate the Flames.

However, I give him mad props as at least he had the stones to go for it.

Our boy, Tambi, sits and waits and waits and waits....

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#73 ?
February 28 2013, 05:05PM
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The way Darren Dreger reported it on TSN, the Flames move was basically evil genius smart. I love it!!

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#74 KleptoKlown
February 28 2013, 05:08PM
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The Avs can't afford to let O'Reilly go to a divisional rival. I understand that if the NHL's proposed realignment takes effect, the Avs and Flames will no longer be in the same division, but that is one hell of a gamble to take.

If the Flames finish near the bottom, and that 1st round pick turns into a lottery pick, then it's a good deal for the Avs, but again, that's one hell of a gamble.

1 option I haven't seen anyone mention is a trade. The Avs and Flames can still work out a deal that involves more than a 1st and 3rd round pick.

Either way, the team that has to qualify ROR at 6.7 million in 2 years has a cap burden on there hands.

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#75 ?
February 28 2013, 05:09PM
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OMG. If this pans out, and Backlund comes back soon, I think this team makes the playoffs.

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#76 Jano
February 28 2013, 05:10PM
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Flames finish in the bottom 10 has to mean that Feaster gets canned. No picks until the 4th round... PLEASE let Colorado match this.

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#77 jeremywilhelm
February 28 2013, 05:14PM
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Does anyone really think the Flames will finish in the bottom 10? Really?

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#78 shutout
February 28 2013, 05:20PM
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jeremywilhelm wrote:

Does anyone really think the Flames will finish in the bottom 10? Really?

IF they keep their first round pick then they will end up picking 12th or 13th. If their pick goes in this deal or another deal then they will have a top five pick. For this franchise its the only possible way it can work out. Same sort of karma as Toronto had in the Kessel deal.

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#79 Baalzamon
February 28 2013, 05:20PM
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@KleptoKlown

You don't have to qualify an RFA to re sign him.

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#80 Big Cap
February 28 2013, 05:23PM
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@jeremywilhelm

Yes I do believe they will finish bottom 10.

Your 3 game point steak will not continue all season.

What will happen with Iggy at the Deadline?

Is Joey macDonald the long term answer?

To many questions...Not enough answers.

****And I say this as an Oiler fan who I realize have enough of our own problems to worry about.

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#81 Scary Gary
February 28 2013, 05:31PM
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Big Cap wrote:

Yes I do believe they will finish bottom 10.

Your 3 game point steak will not continue all season.

What will happen with Iggy at the Deadline?

Is Joey macDonald the long term answer?

To many questions...Not enough answers.

****And I say this as an Oiler fan who I realize have enough of our own problems to worry about.

Thanks for stopping by Mr. Positive! I guess when Hall and Nugent-Hopkins have 4 goals combined on the year you start trolling for kicks...

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#82 KleptoKlown
February 28 2013, 05:32PM
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@Baalzamon

Based on ROR's entire hold out thus far, do you really think he's going to sign for even a nickle less than the minimum he can get? His next contract is going to start where this current offer sheet ends.

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#83 Joe
February 28 2013, 05:33PM
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Glad to see some movement. Backlund and ROR make a huge difference to the line-up. If they don't match, please, can we sit/trade Stajan or Comeau?!

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#84 Big Cap
February 28 2013, 05:34PM
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Scary Gary wrote:

Thanks for stopping by Mr. Positive! I guess when Hall and Nugent-Hopkins have 4 goals combined on the year you start trolling for kicks...

No...I'm really not. My post #72 commends Feaster and the Flames.

Im just sour the Oilers sat by and let a young center go by with no attempt at trying to land him.

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#85 ?
February 28 2013, 05:35PM
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According to Bob Mckenzie, if the NHL goes to the 2014 Olympics, the trade deadline next year would get pushed backed, which would certainly help the Avalanche

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#86 MC Hockey
February 28 2013, 05:37PM
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Scary Gary wrote:

Possibly a Mar 4 2014 trade deadline and you mean RFA.

How do you know Mar 4/14 is trade deadline for next season? If so, then Avs match today or tomorrow and can still ship him out by the deadline right? Kent?

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#87 ?
February 28 2013, 05:45PM
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I really truly wonder if the Avs match. This guy, along with Landeskog, is their best player, but with all the obstacles the Flames threw at the Avs, it seems tough for Colorado to do so.

And why did Colorado decide to be so cheap with O'Reily? They throw a bucketload of money at Parenteau in the off-season, but when it comes to their #1 centreman, they try and play hardball? Strange... And btw, has anyone been able to find O'Reily's advanced stats? I've tried on behindthenet, but it doesnt seem to be working for him.

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#88 Scary Gary
February 28 2013, 05:49PM
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MC Hockey wrote:

How do you know Mar 4/14 is trade deadline for next season? If so, then Avs match today or tomorrow and can still ship him out by the deadline right? Kent?

That's what I had heard due to the Olympics pushing back the deadline but I may be wrong. Trying to find clarification.

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#89 John Chambers
February 28 2013, 05:57PM
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Although after thinking about it I really can't see why the Avs wouldn't match unless they were hell-bent on rebuilding through the draft.

Like, why wouldn't Stan Bowman offer Seabrook and his 1st rounder in exchange for ROR and say Jan Hejda. There are tons of teams who can match the value of Cgy's 1st and 3rd and who could use a top-2 C. The Islanders could offer up Niedereiter and a 1st, Winnipeg could offer up Scheifele and a 1st, Ottawa could put together a package.

Also, I thought there was only a 20% difference allowed between different years on a contract. How cam Calgary offer 3.2 then 6.8?

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#90 SmellOfVictory
February 28 2013, 05:57PM
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Big Cap wrote:

I hate Feaster and I hate the Flames.

However, I give him mad props as at least he had the stones to go for it.

Our boy, Tambi, sits and waits and waits and waits....

Oilers would've been a solid team for targetting him. He's the type of guy they need, right in their age range. Then they'd just have to try to pick up one or two defencemen along the way.

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#91 Franko J
February 28 2013, 05:59PM
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Bold approach by Feaster.

Desparate times mean desparate measures.

What a day!

Giving up potential picks in a deep draft.

Pretty risky. Like I said earlier there is no guarantee where Calgary will place in the 2013 draft, but I feel Flames management must feel Ryan O'Reilly is the type of sandpaper player this team is in dire need of maybe that is why the offer sheet was made.

By signing O'Reilly there might be the belief of signing Iginla and Kiprusoff, I'm playing devils advocate and saying that they are bigger trade bait. If I was Feaster I would want to recoup those picks, because after all Flames wouldn't be drafting until the 4th round.

Maybe Feaster and management have finally realized with this current group of players are not good enough to take it the next level. Especially down the middle. Maybe this will be the kickstart needed to change some things up with this team.

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#92 Baalzamon
February 28 2013, 06:01PM
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That would be because he hasn't played this year. Last season, his numbers ranged from good to very good across the board.

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#93 beloch
February 28 2013, 06:03PM
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ROR is going to be *pricey* to re-sign in two years. With the cap going *down* this contract is going to hurt. Let's take a quick look at what ROR is worth to the Flames versus the Avs.

Flames:

The Flames top two centers are Backlund (who appears to be legitimately good, but is apparently made out of glass) and Matt freakin' Stajan. The former might be a legitimate first-line center, but probably not a very high-end one. While two (long) injuries don't necessarily prove he's made out of glass the concern is definitely there. Is Backlund going to be another Moss? The Flames need a quality #1C like Paris Hilton needs a boot to the head. Even if the Flames get crazy lucky and pick a legitimate #1C in this year's draft, that player will most likely be a few years away from being ready. If the Flames really want some lottery picks, banking it all on Backlund staying healthy and relying on Stajan as their #2C for the next few seasons offers them a very high probability of getting some.

Avs:

The Av's top two are probably Matt Duchene (22) and Stastny (27) even if you count RoR. If you have these two guys, do you really want to throw >10% of the salary cap at a guy who might wind up as your #3C? A team that is *not* able to spend to the cap obviously cannot afford to do this.

TL;DR
RoR's contract is going to be ugly unless he really turns out to be the shizzle. This is a gamble, but the Flames are so weak down the middle that it's an even bigger gamble for them to let this fish swim away and try their luck at the draft. The Av's on the other hand probably won't gamble on RoR when they have Duchene, Stastny and an chronically overdrawn bank account. I predict the Avs will take the picks and run, unless...

...unless they can find some other way to dump RoR without giving him up to a division rival. This, I'm fuzzy on. My understanding of NHL offer sheets is that, once signed, they are binding contracts that can only be nullified if the team being sheeted' matches the offer. i.e. If I'm correct, no other team can waltz in and say, "Hey, we'll pay that plus a buck", and Bogart the player. At this point, either the Flames get RoR or Colorado does. If I'm wrong, then the next few days could be legitimately interesting.

Emotional Spin:
Beyond offering the best odds of procuring the #1C this team so desperately needs, I feel this move might also close a schism in the fanbase. Personally, I feel this season is the closest the team has been to rock bottom in a while, and it's brevity makes it a good one to pick up a lottery pick in. While I can't bring myself to cheer against the Flames, I've felt conflicted when they win. If Feaster pulls this off things will get a lot simpler for us Flames fans again!

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#94 Baalzamon
February 28 2013, 06:04PM
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John Chambers wrote:

Although after thinking about it I really can't see why the Avs wouldn't match unless they were hell-bent on rebuilding through the draft.

Like, why wouldn't Stan Bowman offer Seabrook and his 1st rounder in exchange for ROR and say Jan Hejda. There are tons of teams who can match the value of Cgy's 1st and 3rd and who could use a top-2 C. The Islanders could offer up Niedereiter and a 1st, Winnipeg could offer up Scheifele and a 1st, Ottawa could put together a package.

Also, I thought there was only a 20% difference allowed between different years on a contract. How cam Calgary offer 3.2 then 6.8?

The salary for the 1st year is probably so much lower because the season is part-way finished. He's only being paid for the rest of the season rather than the whole season.

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#95 RexLibris
February 28 2013, 06:05PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

The only way a first and third is worth more to the Flames than O'Reilly down the road is if they finish in the lottery this year and the kid they could have picked becomes a Tavares or better level superstar.

I won't argue that adding O'Reilly makes the Flames a better team immediately. However, in the long run I am less enthusiastic.

At the very least this will allow the Flames to run O'Reilly, Cervenka, Backlund and Stajan down the middle, which is far and away a better option than, well, whatever it is they have now.

Also, I have to disagree that anything short of a Tavares-level player is equal compensation for O'Reilly. That seems like a bit of a stretch.

For the record, I would have offered up Gagner and a 2nd round pick for O'Reilly, so by no means am I saying that he is a bad player.

However, I see in this move, and the potential repercussions, some troubling signs for the organization. Namely, despite their stated desire to focus on the draft they have knowingly now forfeit their three first picks in what is widely considered to be a deep draft.

The cap hit for O'Reilly is $5 million, when the club has to re-sign Backlund, Cervenka, presumably Iginla, Brodie, Byron, and a host of AHL players and graduating prospects. The team is committed to $48 million out of a projected $64 million next season.

Spending $5 million on a 22 year old centre is hardly a bad move, but taken in concert with the contractual obligations and the fact that the team is at the maximum contract limit should this go through, it foreshadows some problems down the road.

All in all, a good move by Feaster, in light of the organization's refusal to consider other long-term options.

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#96 Q
February 28 2013, 06:12PM
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Who cares what u think!

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#97 ?
February 28 2013, 06:12PM
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Baalzamon wrote:

That would be because he hasn't played this year. Last season, his numbers ranged from good to very good across the board.

But I can't see his advanced stats from last year either :(

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#98 Captain Ron
February 28 2013, 06:13PM
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Great job by Feaster and the rest of the Flames management for having the balls to do this and time it the way they did. After thinking about it I would be very surprised if we don't see O'Reilly in a Flames uniform soon. When Backlund comes back and with O'Reilly in the fold it will instantly make the team significantly better in the position they struggle at the most.

If the defence and goaltending hold up the possibility of being in the playoffs escalates a little from a pipe dream to maybe.

I can't express enough how much I like the possibility of this happening.

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#99 T&A4Flames
February 28 2013, 06:13PM
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"...unless they can find some other way to dump RoR without giving him up to a division rival. This, I'm fuzzy on. My understanding of NHL offer sheets is that, once signed, they are binding contracts that can only be nullified if the team being sheeted' matches the offer. i.e. If I'm correct, no other team can waltz in and say, "Hey, we'll pay that plus a buck", and Bogart the player. At this point, either the Flames get RoR or Colorado does. If I'm wrong, then the next few days could be legitimately interesting."

That sounds about right. Although, I think CGY and COL can still come to an agreement on a trade. But I'm pretty sure only those 2 teams can create a transaction together.

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#100 RexLibris
February 28 2013, 06:15PM
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@Q

I'm more or less in agreement with Big Cap.

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