Should the Flames Have Taken Yann Danis?

RexLibris
February 08 2013 01:52PM

A short while ago Yann Danis, the Oilers backup goaltender while Khabibulin gets up to NHL speed and their starter in the AHL, was put on waivers.

Why didn’t the Flames take him?

The current backup for Miikka Kiprusoff (and now starter) is Leland Irving who was a healthy scratch in Abbotsford in favour of Barry Brust and Danny Taylor during the lockout. Irving was also waived earlier this year, along with Henrik Karlsson.

Fair to say that the Flames organization does not appear to be a great deal of faith in Irving as a future goaltender?

Then, Tuesday night the Flames bogeyman came home to roost when Kiprusoff left the game with an MCL injury that has some worrying that the end is nigh.

I thought Irving played that game relatively well, albeit against an opponent that inspires fear more through reputation than performance right now. I’ve always thought that Irving was a serviceable backup in waiting, however management would appear to have other ideas and I’m certainly no expert on scouting goaltenders.

Now, the Flames have Kari Ramo due to come over from the KHL at the end of the season, but by all accounts, he is playing well and his team, Avangard Omsk, is expected to do well in the playoffs. This makes him a very unlikely candidate for the role of hero rushing to the rescue.

At the same time, the Flames signed AHL goaltender Danny Taylor to an NHL contract and likely expect him to play imminently. They may have been working on something like this for some time, but their hand has now been forced by Kiprusoff's injury and they have lost control of the situation. As such, they appear reactive now, rather than proactive.

So let’s take another look at Danis, in comparison to Irving.

Danis is 31 years old, so he is no spring chicken. However, at this point, with Ramo ready to come over from Europe and another season of Kiprusoff under contract, Danis would only be a short-term solution.

Danis’ save percentage over his last three AHL seasons averages out to .918. Irving’s to .909, not including this season because he has only managed to play six games this year. Taylor has a save % average of .924 over the past three seasons. That being said, these are all partial numbers because the most games he has played in a professional season is 37 with the Gwinnet Gladiators back in 2009-2010. Prior to signing his NHL contract with the Flames Taylor had played only one NHL game back in 2007-2008 with the Kings. He had an .800 save percentage that game.

The NHL numbers greatly favour Danis because of opportunity and experience, his save percentage in the big league is .914. Taylor has had a phenomenal AHL to date in partnership with Barry Brust.

Overall, Danis is a better goaltender than Irving is now and perhaps will become. He is also likely a safer bet than Taylor based on an NHL resume. Be that as it may, I understand selecting Taylor ahead of Danis based solely on their performances in the AHL this year.

But this is where things could have gotten interesting...

The Flames have 48 players under contract, room to sign two more through the season including players drafted and exiting their development leagues to turn pro.

By claiming Danis on waivers the Flames could not only have secured an upgrade in net and an improved insurance policy against Kiprusoff either becoming injured or continuing to struggle. They could also have done direct damage to the fortunes of a divisional rival, one they likely need to leapfrog to climb the standings. By forcing the Oilers to either sign an unrestricted free-agent, dress Khabibulin before he is ready to play, or call up recent AHL pickup Niko Hovinen to back up Dubnyk, the Flames could have put the team in a very difficult position. Perhaps even forced a trade of assets for immediate needs, something Steve Tambellini is loath to do.

What to do with Danis once you have him?

If Ramo finishes his season early and is ready to come over Danis could simply be sent back on the waiver wire or traded for a depth pick, essentially stealing an Oilers asset and turning it into a draft pick. I can think of no action that would more gall Oilers fans.

The Oilers have Danis pegged as the likely backup to Dubnyk for next season and goaltending coach Freddie Chabot is very high on Danis’ progress and preparedness for the NHL. It wouldn’t just have been screwing over the Oilers this month, or even this season, but perhaps have thrown a monkeywrench into their plans for next season as well.

The Flames would still have likely been able to find a use of Danis for a month or more, while at the same time denying their provincial rivals that luxury. It is a move that fits perfectly with the oft-repeated philosophy of improving the team by any means necessary in order to add talent and win now.

This is all moot now because of the Taylor signing, but I think it was a missed opportunity – words that may be carved on Jay Feaster’s professional headstone.

From where I sit, taking Danis off waivers would have been one of the easiest decisions of the season as Calgary's GM.

Is there something I’m missing here?

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#1 jeremywilhelm
February 08 2013, 02:02PM
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Because Danis isn't very good. Thus claiming him off the waiver wire wastes a roster spot that Irving, a similar player, already fills.

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#2 schevvy
February 08 2013, 02:02PM
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You're making a mountain out of a molehill Rex. The difference in between Irving/Taylor and Danis is very minimal, and not claiming him isn't that big of a deal.

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#3 Kevin R
February 08 2013, 02:53PM
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Yeah Rex. Danis sounds exactly what Irving, Taylor & Brust provide. If it was Bishop, thats a different thing. Why didnt Oilers pick up Karlsson? All Karlsson was worth is a 7th round pick, so not exactly putting the boots to the Oilers. That sounds like a lot of grunting & groaning on the toilet for a little marble to drop so to speak. Seeing other GM's didnt pick him up either I dont think it will have any impact on Feasters resume. Sorry bro, good try at stirring the pot.:)

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#4 Jai Kiran
February 08 2013, 02:53PM
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I think we didn't take Danis because he's not a good goalie. Whereas Irving might yet be a good goalie (a somewhat slim chance) and Taylor might be a good goalie right now.

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#5 jeremywilhelm
February 08 2013, 03:28PM
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If it was Bishop? Bahaha. No. Bishop is probably the worst of the 4.

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#6 Baalzamon
February 08 2013, 03:30PM
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quite aside from Danis being not good--well documented above--the Flames own policy precludes such a move.

I speak, of course, of "the Meritocracy".

How would it look (with Taylor playing well enough for almost every fan to agree he deserves a contract) when Kiprusoff goes down to injury--thus finally opening Taylor's window of opportunity--the Flames, instead of offering a contract to the promising young(ish) guy already in their system, pluck an Oilers' reject off waivers?

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#7 T&A4Flames
February 08 2013, 03:40PM
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Anyone know who is backing up Brust in Abby?

And yea, Rex, Lame. As I see it, the ONLY reason to pick up Danis would be to p^$$ off the Oil faithful.

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#8 DangleSnipeCelly
February 08 2013, 03:47PM
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@T&A4Flames

Abby signed Tyson Sexsmith - former Giant.

And to comment on the article... I've seen Danis play live. Terrible. That would have made no sense at all to claim him when we have two of the best currently in the AHL trying to get a deal... what would that say to them AND to Irving? You're SO bad that a goalie who can't play for EDM is better than you! Haha...

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#9 bookofloob
February 08 2013, 03:58PM
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We make way too much out of this "Irving was on waivers" business.

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#10 ChinookArch
February 08 2013, 08:55PM
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To take a trivial example, which of us ever undertakes laborious physical exercise, except to obtain some advantage from it.

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#11 CitizenFlame
February 09 2013, 12:25AM
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Why would the Flames take a goalie who can't crack a roster with Dubnyk and Khabibulin as its goalies? Why is this article posted on FN? I think people read too much into decisions like placing Irving on waivers when the team did. They invited Irving to camp despite hardly playing in Abbotsford, they chose him as the back up to Kipper and shipped out Karlsson. They didn't trade for another goalie (yet anyway). To me that shows that they do have some modicum of faith in Irving. Picking up a 31 year old, career back up and minor leaguer would hardly rattle the Oilers fans. I think that most Oiler fans would laugh at the Flames for picking through their trash.

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#12 Marcus
February 09 2013, 09:42AM
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He has a really casual spitting water ability and his helmet has buildings painted on it.

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#14 schevvy
February 09 2013, 10:58AM
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RexLibris wrote:

Okay, so by show of hands, who wants Danis...?

lol

It's ok Rex. You'll do better next time.

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#15 Cowtown 1989
February 09 2013, 11:08AM
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Baalzamon speaks of the meritocracy and that is likely why Feaster wouldn't act on Danis. One thing that the new regime has shown is that if a player signs with this organization, they will likely get a chance to strut their stuff. Free agents in the future will likely see that and it may help sway them in our favour. This organization now gives opportunities to young players. Are you listening Tim Erixon?

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#18 Dan
February 09 2013, 04:58PM
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jeremywilhelm wrote:

If it was Bishop? Bahaha. No. Bishop is probably the worst of the 4.

Please tell me that was sarcasm, because that's entirely unfounded.

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#19 Baalzamon
February 09 2013, 05:20PM
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RexLibris wrote:

For my next trick, I will invent the lead balloon!

I still believe that Danis is a serviceable NHL backup. But I suspect that I will have to file this one away with my opinions on the Wideman contract, the 2nd round pick to Montreal in the Cammalleri deal, Jay Feaster's draft history, and calling Jankowski the best player in his draft year.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to my tilt at my next windmill...

I don't know about all that. Anyone who sees that Wideman's contract (probably) isn't going to look too good near the end is just sensible. Meanwhile, the 2nd round pick in the Bourque trade stings a bit (though since it was basically included to land Ramo, I'm not grumbling about it just yet). As for the whole Jankowski thing... well, Feaster and co. did their very best to oversell him, and they certainly succeeded. We'll see if they're even 40% correct (which would be a huge win for the Flames, honestly).

I don't know about those being "windmills". Maybe straw knights, but not windmills.

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