FGD: Aquí vamos de nuevo

bookofloob
March 11 2013 03:15PM

 

Us too, Half, us too.

In what feels like, oh, 48 hours, your Calgary Flames are back at it tonight for the second leg of a back to back against those damned merciless Los Angeles Kings, who are looking to treat the boys in red as lower class serfs, existing only to do the bidding of the kingdom for a second game in a row. The Flames, amid swirling rumours that this game is potentially the straw that breaks the camel's back (the camel being GM Jay Feaster, and his back is a Jarome Iginla trade), look back to get back on track against an obviously very good LA squad to close out their California road trip with at least a little bit of pride intact.

We don't really need to talk about it (in fact, if you read the post game report for the last game, we literally provided no words for the effort), but suffice to say, the team is in the midst of a touch of turmoil these days. After an impressive couple of wins against tough opponents in Vancouver and San Jose, the Flames took to the road and put in a much better effort against the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim than the 4-0 score so unflatteringly reflected. But after Saturday's debacle, where Calgary's performance was even worse than Matthew Perry's on Hockey Night In Canada's After Hours, the team has shown once again that they are far too inconsistent to be seriously considering a playoff run in this, a shortened NHL campaign. 

Most seasons are long. Teams have time to smooth over the lumps that are the glaring faults in their game, and in an 82 game season, this iteration of the Flames could possibly be competitive enough to figure that out. But over the course of 48 is a different story, and the tolerance of stinkers like the 6-2 drubbing by LA two nights ago grows less and less. That's why many believe that THIS is the game that determines whether it's time for Calgary to pack it in and ship off everyone short of Harvey the Hound to other markets, or if the march towards 8th is earnestly born anew. #GOINGFORIT!

la alineación

The roster sheet has yet to be confirmed by anyone tonight, but there's a few things we do know. Curtis Glencross is still out, as he's nursing the effects of whatever injury he's suffering from that kept him out of the last tilt with the Kings. And Miikka Kiprusoff, who looked pretty damn abysmal against the Kings after dominating the Sharks, gets a rest tonight, maybe for a few games.

  • Hudler-Cammalleri-Iginla
  • Tanguay-Stajan-Stempniak
  • Comeau-Backlund-Cervenka
  • McGratton-Begin-Jackman

  • Brodie-Bouwmeester
  • Giordano-Wideman
  • Sarich-Butler

  • MacDonald

I, uh, well, whatever works, right??!

That's what Sportsnet's Roger Millions is calling his "best guess" for tonight based off of what he's seen in the morning skate, and if that's what we're seeing tonight, well, it's different, and that's the nicest thing we can say about that.

Of note, if these are indeed the lines, young and fabulous TJ Brodie has been given a promotion up to the first defensive pairing with Jay Bouwmeester, and that would be of particular interest for something to watch for. Brodie has been fairly impressive this season, and even though his game in the past 5 or 6 has regressed and earned him 3rd pairing responsibilities with whatever dead weight defenseman checked in beside him, he has truly been a pleasant surprise for the Flames this season. This is a big challenge for him, and it'll be quite the compelling storyline to see how he stacks up against the King's top line which is, I don't need to tell you, just a little bit potent. Having Bouwmeester line up next to him can only help Brodie, and we'll have to see how much slack Jay takes for his young partner, but either way, fun to watch.

That 4th line though. It hurts the heart.

UPDATE: Pat Steinberg has Brodie back down on the third pairing with Sarich. Let's split the difference and say he lines up with Giordano on the second set.

Los Reyes

I got nothing. Mike Richards appeared like he might be out of action after his blueline collision with Tim Jackman last game, speculation that was further amplified when the Kings called up 20 year old prospect Tyler Toffoli from Manchester. But all reports indicate that Richards was at practice Monday and good to go for today, so in the meantime, we'll go ahead and assume that the Kings haven't made any changes to their lineup that pretty thoroughly dismantled Calgary last weekend.

  • Williams-Kopitar-Brown
  • Penner-Carter-Richards
  • Lewis-Stoll-King
  • Clifford-Fraser-Nolan

  • Scuderi-Voynov
  • Doughty-Muzzin
  • Martinez-Ellerby

  • Quick

No word on whether or not Jonathan Quick gets the start in goal tonight, but one assumes he will, as he seems to be finding his form after his, let's say Kipper-esque start to the year.

The Kings do not need to make much in the way of changes. They're starting to look much like the team that ran over everyone in last spring's playoffs en route to their Stanley Cup victory, and they're doing so without having key cogs Willie Mitchell and Matt Greene on defense. So that's scary.

en suma

The Kings are good, and Calgary is going to have to throw everything they have at them to get this one done. I would not expect to see a lot of the 4th line, which is a logical notion to have, so this means that they'll probably play 11 minutes. Be ready for that. GRIT CHART SAYS IT'S HAPPENING

 

 

Loves us some grit chart, which will now become the site's on-going running joke indefinitely.

Jeff Carter is playing some of the best hockey of his career right now, so I think maybe a key to the game might be trying to neutralize him. You can't stop him, you can only hope to contain him.

I don't know. Buckle up, it's going to be a ride. I know a lot of fans want to see the Flames get killed in this one and have everyone traded to fancy new cities, but a) that sucks, b) don't count on it. Personally, I'd like to see the flames show up with some pride and perform to a level we know they're capable of, but only show 30-40% of the time.

Game's at 8. SN West. Be there. Bueno. Vamos Llamas!

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The Book of Loob is the Nation's resident expert in flim-flammery and twaddle. An unabashed Flames fan, when BoL is not intellectually bankrupting Flames Nation, he can be seen rooting for Blair Jones, often to excess, at Book of Loob. Follow him on twitter here.
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#1 Kurt
March 11 2013, 03:19PM
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"Personally, I'd like to see the flames show up with some pride and perform to a level we know they're capable of, but only show 30-40% of the time."

They may be capable of the level of play we expect, but only capable of it 30-40% of the time. That is the problem.

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#2 Vintage Flame
March 11 2013, 03:20PM
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#3 Clay
March 11 2013, 03:25PM
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Vintage Flame wrote:

SAD TROMBONE

Sad trombone comes out before the opening puck drop... a new low

In light of this, 9-1 Flames, who will buy a useless player this week with their first round pick.

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#4 Kent Wilson
March 11 2013, 03:32PM
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@Clay

Flames need a centerman, right? And what former big name center who previously played under Feaster is probably available?

Yup. The Flames are trading for Vincent Lecavalier.

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#5 jdthor
March 11 2013, 03:40PM
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@ Kent Wilson

Backlund and our first for Vinnie? Feaster couldn't possibly be thinking something like this could he? Please tell me he's not!!

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#6 Vintage Flame
March 11 2013, 03:40PM
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@Kent Wilson

No Kent... Just no..

YOU KNOW WHEN YOU JEST ABOUT THESE THINGS THEY HAVE A TENDENCY TO COME TRUE!!!

...Just no.

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#7 schevvy
March 11 2013, 03:41PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Flames need a centerman, right? And what former big name center who previously played under Feaster is probably available?

Yup. The Flames are trading for Vincent Lecavalier.

NO KENT NO! Why would you say such a thing? Feaster could be reading!!!

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#8 schevvy
March 11 2013, 03:42PM
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@Vintage Flame

And VF beat me to it. Sad trombone.

TEH

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#9 Captain Ron
March 11 2013, 03:43PM
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There is little reason to think the end result of tonight's game will be any different than Saturday.

Except that you know they will probably come out and play like the best team in the league for one night and squeak one out. It would be very typical for them to do that.

Looking at the last two games they are not even close to being a competitive for a playoff spot, let alone in the playoffs.

Defensive zone coverage and goal tending are disaster right now.

Among other things.

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#10 Kent Wilson
March 11 2013, 03:43PM
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Okay, okay....not Lecavalier.

Olli. Jokinen. The third.

Big body! Creates space! Leadership! Former 30+ goal scorer!

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#11 Captain Ron
March 11 2013, 03:46PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Flames need a centerman, right? And what former big name center who previously played under Feaster is probably available?

Yup. The Flames are trading for Vincent Lecavalier.

The ultimate insult might be Vinnie turning down the opportunity to come here.

Hopefully he would have the good sense to do that.

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#13 schevvy
March 11 2013, 03:47PM
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@Kent Wilson

You're killing it today Kent. I'm hearing Jason Arnott is available...

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#14 loudogYYC
March 11 2013, 03:47PM
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Las Llamas son basura! Ya es hora de cambiar esta maldita costumbre de pelear por puestos mediocres.

Los Reyes tienen un equipazo y al menos que se duerman, van a ganar este partido fácilmente.

Gracias Libro de Loob!

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#15 schevvy
March 11 2013, 03:47PM
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bookofloob wrote:

I hate all of you so much right now

At least we'll always have the grit chart.

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#16 everton fc
March 11 2013, 03:49PM
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•Hudler-Cammalleri-Iginla •Tanguay-Stajan-Stempniak •Comeau-Backlund-Cervenka •McGratton-Begin-Jackman

•Brodie-Bouwmeester •Giordano-Wideman •Sarich-Butler

•MacDonald

Not to beat a dead horse, but is this not an expansion lineup?!

Off topic - a good prospect, draft-eligble, who's got guts, grit, can score, and may be another Prust-type player... Jerome Verrier with Drummondville.

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#17 schevvy
March 11 2013, 03:55PM
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Maybe Guillaume Desbiens?? :)

Honestly, it's not expansion bad, but it's not playoff good. It's incredible that management thinks this team can battle elite teams. I want some of that kool-aid.

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#18 negrilcowboy
March 11 2013, 03:57PM
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no jay don't do what kent says, move mcgratton up to the first unit. although ollie is my all time favourite former flames/coyote/flame/panther/islander i dont think he would report

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#19 beloch
March 11 2013, 04:08PM
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Baseless predictions? I'll play! I predict the Flames will come out full of piss and vinegar and outshoot the Kings handily, but MacB will go 0.850 and Quick will go 0.950+. Sad trombone indeed.

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#20 GermanFlame
March 11 2013, 04:16PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Okay, okay....not Lecavalier.

Olli. Jokinen. The third.

Big body! Creates space! Leadership! Former 30+ goal scorer!

Big Body and he scored 30+ goals? Sign him! Who needs a first round draft pick anyway? Right Oilers?

One more natural center and then we have 3 on the roster! PLAYOFFS BABY!!

PLAYOFFS?!?

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#21 everton fc
March 11 2013, 04:17PM
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schevvy wrote:

Maybe Guillaume Desbiens?? :)

Honestly, it's not expansion bad, but it's not playoff good. It's incredible that management thinks this team can battle elite teams. I want some of that kool-aid.

Here you go, Shev! Orr v. Desbiens. The pride of Alma, QC handles himself well!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cCUgBlxz-0

Stajan's our 2nd line centre. No one is screaming to trade or waive him this season. Pretty close to the cusp of expansion bad...

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#22 negrilcowboy
March 11 2013, 04:29PM
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everton fc wrote:

Here you go, Shev! Orr v. Desbiens. The pride of Alma, QC handles himself well!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cCUgBlxz-0

Stajan's our 2nd line centre. No one is screaming to trade or waive him this season. Pretty close to the cusp of expansion bad...

flames second best team in alberta, bentky generals alberta's best, probably younger too

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#23 T&A4Flames
March 11 2013, 04:29PM
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I wasn't aware that LA had a Justin Azevedo on their prospect list. It couldn't be our dear Justin could it.....? Nah.

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#24 Ryan Pike
March 11 2013, 04:35PM
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Is there a way for us to trade Brandon Prust again?

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#25 schevvy
March 11 2013, 04:40PM
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If I took a poll on this site, I wonder how many people think Iggy WILL be traded. Not who thinks he SHOULD be, but I'd be curious to see how many people think he'll get traded.

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#26 everton fc
March 11 2013, 04:41PM
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Ryan Pike wrote:

Is there a way for us to trade Brandon Prust again?

Derek Dorsett's better.

The two, on the same roster? One can dream...

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#27 shutout
March 11 2013, 04:42PM
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Sad thing about this team is that if you knew it came down to one game to decide the future of the franchise that they would win.

Win tonight and Calgary sends their first round pick to Tampa Bay for Lecavalier. Iginla finishes the season in Calgary and then leaves for Pittsburgh in the summer. Kiprusoff retires at the end of the year to play at home.

Lose tonight and Calgary trades Iginla, Kiprusoff, Bouwmeester, Cammalleri, Sarich, Babchuk, and Jackman for a ton of young players, prospects, and draft picks. Trades the draft picks for young players and has an NHL roster next year with an average age of 24.5 full of young talent.

Score of the game would be Flames 8 and the other team 0. We would finish 12th or 13th in the west and would be laughed at by anybody who knew anything about hockey.

Yes folks, that is our franchise.

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#28 Jai Kiran
March 11 2013, 04:42PM
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26th in the league, going into a game against the in-form Stanley Cup Champions, with 14 of 25 remaining games on the road. Sad to say it, but I'm hoping for the loss and the subsequent changes too.

We're gonna get a GREAT draft pick.

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#29 everton fc
March 11 2013, 04:46PM
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But we'll screw up and pick the wrong "great draft pick".

And so it goes...

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#30 petemaherrocks
March 11 2013, 04:50PM
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I seriously dont think the Lecavalier idea is a bad one, considering the Flames havent filled out the centerman spot , and there is really no way to fill that spot this year or moving forward. ( that said dont think its happening)

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#31 negrilcowboy
March 11 2013, 04:54PM
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hey feaster ya gotta git to detroit and sign 14 yr old sean day before anyone else does. 4 ohl scouts told me yesterday he is the best 14 year old ever. comparing him to bobby orr. the scouts said he could play in the ohl this year and would be a star at 14 franchise d man

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#32 Jeff In Lethbridge
March 11 2013, 05:23PM
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jdthor wrote:

@ Kent Wilson

Backlund and our first for Vinnie? Feaster couldn't possibly be thinking something like this could he? Please tell me he's not!!

I think you meant Backlund, our first AND Baertchi, right? plus, we take back some salary for a couple guys buried in the minors... that sounds about right

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#33 Kevin R
March 11 2013, 05:28PM
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Anyone hear how Robert was after his call to Patty? He sounded like he was in trouble.

I thought of that because of all this bloody trade banter on here & the fact it could happen is stressing me the @#*% out!!!

I only have red wine to take my nitro pills with. Hope you are all happy!

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#34 exsanguinator
March 11 2013, 05:33PM
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Jai Kiran wrote:

26th in the league, going into a game against the in-form Stanley Cup Champions, with 14 of 25 remaining games on the road. Sad to say it, but I'm hoping for the loss and the subsequent changes too.

We're gonna get a GREAT draft pick.

And then they will use that draft pick to trade down in the first round to draft some other kid that no one has ever heard of before.

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#35 Clay
March 11 2013, 05:37PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Flames need a centerman, right? And what former big name center who previously played under Feaster is probably available?

Yup. The Flames are trading for Vincent Lecavalier.

I don't like your tone... Kent.

I'd be angrier if I knew it wasn't true.

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#36 Clay
March 11 2013, 05:45PM
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bookofloob wrote:

I hate all of you so much right now

Flames 2014 "rebuild"

What do y'all think

Cammalleri - Lecavalier - Iginla Glencross - Tanguay - oh hell.... Comeau Bouma - pfft Begin - Jackman Rocky Thompson - Rocky Thompson - McGrattan

Out: Baertschi, Cervenka, Stempniak, Backlund because of #GRITCHART

Deals

We traded Gaudreau for Thompson, and the rest for a cloning machine to clone Thompson

We also traded 5 firsts, Ales Kotalik, and a 2nd for Lecavalier (Kotalik was a sign and trade)

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#37 negrilcowboy
March 11 2013, 06:20PM
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Kevin R wrote:

Anyone hear how Robert was after his call to Patty? He sounded like he was in trouble.

I thought of that because of all this bloody trade banter on here & the fact it could happen is stressing me the @#*% out!!!

I only have red wine to take my nitro pills with. Hope you are all happy!

was wondering the same thing, sounded fatal on saturday night. either that or the canoli was lodged in his windpipe. i tell you patti,pattti i tell you,i tell you patti.

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#38 Chris Fairfield
March 11 2013, 06:28PM
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Ryan Pike wrote:

Is there a way for us to trade Brandon Prust again?

McGrattan for Prust straight up! Grit and toughness with no skill for Grit and toughness with some skill

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#39 Chris Fairfield
March 11 2013, 06:34PM
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I am afraid it will be more of the same tonight as was from Saturday night. I think Sarich should try to line someone up (a la Marleau demolition from their first round playoff series 2008 when they were down 3-0 in the 1st period) and at least show some backbone.

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#40 Captain Ron
March 11 2013, 06:45PM
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petemaherrocks wrote:

I seriously dont think the Lecavalier idea is a bad one, considering the Flames havent filled out the centerman spot , and there is really no way to fill that spot this year or moving forward. ( that said dont think its happening)

Either:

You are drinking heavily and should stop

OR

You are not drinking heavily and you should start

Seriously

Go take a peek at Uncle Vinnies contract. Than take a BIG swig of your favorite indulgence to wash it down. Then look at his age and have another big pull on the bottle.

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#41 Kent Wilson
March 11 2013, 07:05PM
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@Captain Ron

Also, Lecavalier isn't even that good anymore. He gets his points here and there, but is middling at even strength at best.

His might be the worst contract in the sport right now.

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#42 Willi P
March 11 2013, 07:08PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Also, Lecavalier isn't even that good anymore. He gets his points here and there, but is middling at even strength at best.

His might be the worst contract in the sport right now.

That confirms it. Vinnie is Calgary bound for sure.

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#43 Alsker
March 11 2013, 07:14PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Also, Lecavalier isn't even that good anymore. He gets his points here and there, but is middling at even strength at best.

His might be the worst contract in the sport right now.

Really, worse than Depietro(spelling wrong im sure) on the island,at least #4 can still play

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#44 RSD
March 11 2013, 07:20PM
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We shouldn't be too surprised if Feaster did trade our 1st and whatever to get Vincent Lecavalier, he almost traded our 1st & 3rd for nothing, with that in mind at least we would be getting SOMETHING in return. By-the-way how long do y'all think he keeps his job after such a potential embarrassment.

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#45 Captain Ron
March 11 2013, 07:35PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Also, Lecavalier isn't even that good anymore. He gets his points here and there, but is middling at even strength at best.

His might be the worst contract in the sport right now.

Your absolutely right about Lecavalier. One of these days his old partner in crime Brad Richards in NYC might take over that spot.

Just the thought of bringing Lecavalier here scares the hell out of me as a fan.

If that happens we can be certain beyond any doubt that the Flames owners and management have lost it completely.

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#46 backburner
March 11 2013, 07:35PM
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My friend and I were talking about this "Lecavalier" scenario today actually.. Could be a multiple player deal.. But in the end, we agreed that there is no way he waves to go anywhere, let alone the Flames!

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#47 RSD
March 11 2013, 07:43PM
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I agree the Flames are the new definition of oilers; nobody will want to play here, we have descended into a pit of suck and until feaster finds a way out, there we will stay. : (

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#48 Captain Ron
March 11 2013, 07:43PM
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Kevin R wrote:

Anyone hear how Robert was after his call to Patty? He sounded like he was in trouble.

I thought of that because of all this bloody trade banter on here & the fact it could happen is stressing me the @#*% out!!!

I only have red wine to take my nitro pills with. Hope you are all happy!

After the Flames get overrun tonight Robert will back on in fine form I hope. Ready for another round of "you know Patti". Gotta love that guy.

I missed his call on Saturday was he struggling to breathe because he was so angry? Or choking on an ice cube maybe?

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#49 T&A4Flames
March 11 2013, 07:58PM
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negrilcowboy wrote:

no jay don't do what kent says, move mcgratton up to the first unit. although ollie is my all time favourite former flames/coyote/flame/panther/islander i dont think he would report

hey, Hey,HEY!!! Olli played for the Rangers not the Islanders. Geez.

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#50 negrilcowboy
March 11 2013, 08:03PM
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Captain Ron wrote:

After the Flames get overrun tonight Robert will back on in fine form I hope. Ready for another round of "you know Patti". Gotta love that guy.

I missed his call on Saturday was he struggling to breathe because he was so angry? Or choking on an ice cube maybe?

love roberts passionate calls, him and patti should have a daily segment on the fan.

the i tell you patti show

thought maybe robert had a canoli lodged in the windpipe

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