Five things: A look at the trade bait

Ryan Lambert
March 14 2013 09:37AM

 

 

Okay so we can all acknowledge the Flames are finished this season. Not technically, not officially, but the clock is ticking very, very fast. Prior to last night's game they could, mathematically, only lose eight more games in regulation all season before they were locked out of getting to the fabled 55-point mark that most believe will be the cutoff for the playoffs this season. It seems very likely they'll do that by the end of the month, at least at this rate.

And so the attention turns to whether the Flames will trade any of the guys on the team they should have traded a year or two ago at least, so let's have a look at what I think are the five most obvious trade targets for other teams, in no particular order.

1. Mike Cammalleri

The argument for: Trading Cammalleri comes with the obvious and immediate help of offloading a guy who's slated to earn $6 million against the cap and $7 million in actual money and, in theory, someone is going to want that 17 points in 21 games for a guy who can play a number of forward positions. He's currently on pace for a 35-goal season, and that's some not joking around type stuff from a guy most people weren't exactly thrilled to have coming back, even if he did score 11 in 28 last year.

The argument against: There is the theoretical possibility that the team would want him to stick around next season because, while he's on the wrong side of 30, he's just barely so, and again he is obviously a fairly useful player when utilized in the right way. I would argue that Bob Hartley hasn't really utilized him the right way, and he's still on a 35-goal pace, so that's obviously a positive for him. Further, you wonder exactly how many teams would clamor to get him given the finances of the deal, and what the return would be.

Chance he gets traded, in my opinion, and based on nothing: 50 percent. 

2. Jay Bouwmeester

The argument for: It seems likely that he would fetch a fairly significant return given the paucity of quality defensemen on the market, and while the numbers still aren't really there for him, this is also shaping up to be his best offensive season in Calgary. He's still good in his own end, he's still an excellent transition defenseman, and it's likely that his value will never be higher than it now.

The argument against: He's not exactly affordable, and he's signed at that famous $6.68 million against the cap for next year as well. Teams might be scared off somewhat by the idea that he could turn into the not wholly accurate "most overpaid defenseman in the league" version of Jay Bouwmeester rather than the one we're looking at right now. I think there will probably be significant interest, but as with the Cammalleri situation, I don't know that the return would be significant enough to make Calgary want to ship him out.

Chance he gets traded, in my opinion, and based on nothing: 70 percent.

3. Miikka Kiprusoff

The argument for: He's been absolutely crap this season in almost every single game he's played. I can't remember the exact stats I saw the other day but he, and the rest of the Flames' goaltenders this year, are all considerably below replacement level, and that doesn't seem likely to change any time soon. Getting rid of him might be something you end up regretting next season if he rebounds, but at this point that seems like a gigantic "if," and there's a reason you hear way more about buyer's remorse than seller's remorse. Plus, those who do want to acquire him will have him making just $1.5 million next season in real money, even as he continues to pull $5.833 million against the cap. New York Islanders, I'm lookin' at you.

The argument against: Who's going to want him with these numbers for anything resembling a quarter-decent return?

Chance he gets traded, in my opinion, and based on nothing: 25 percent.

4. Tim Jackman no just kidding Mark Giordano

The argument for: He's relatively cheap and though he hasn't been very good this season the reputation of Mark Giordano in his better days likely still lingers. Again, this is one of those situations where I don't think the Flames would get much of a return just because they'd be kind of over the barrel if they tried shopping him, but at the same time, if someone gets desperate enough, particularly in the days just before the deadline, I can see him getting shipped out.

The argument against: He's signed through 2015-16, which is no joke, and it's not often you see someone with that many years left on their deal traded at or near the deadline unless Scott Howson is involved. Teams might need the help of a 29-year-old defenseman with a goodish reputation in the offensive zone, but this too is a case of my belief that someone would need to blow Feaster's doors off with an offer, which I doubt will happen.

Chance he gets traded, in my opinion, and based on nothing: 10 percent.

5. Jarome Iginla

The argument for: He's old, he's slowing down, he would probably fetch the biggest haul of anyone on the current roster, and you can go on and on like this. The argument for trading Iginla is that it should have happened so long ago it's difficult to remember a time when they shouldn't have traded Iginla. PLUS!!!! there's the speculation Elliotte Friedman put forth earlier this week that Murray Edwards might be able to convince Iginla to accept a trade to help the team, then come back in the summer; ideal for both sides, and the fans who might kill themselves over the prospect of the Flames without Iginla.

The argument against: Someone might literally burn down the Saddledome. Also, the risk of losing Iginla as a gimmick to sell tickets to idiots who think he's still 29. Also, if you never want him to win a Stanley Cup. Also he'd have to waive his no-movement, clause, but that's true of literally half the team so there you have it!

Chance he gets traded, in my opinion, and based on nothing: 85 percent.

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#51 Justin Azevedo
March 14 2013, 02:27PM
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Really? That surprises me...

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#52 Justin Azevedo
March 14 2013, 02:30PM
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@Jano

that's because all of those back to backs have come against la, van and edm. the first two are very good teams and edmonton, well, is edmonton.

plus calgary has had to trot out an ahl-level goalie every game so far this year, so that also probably has something to do with the decision-making process.

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#53 Rockmorton65
March 14 2013, 04:02PM
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I think trading Iggy at this point becomes less about hockey and more about decency. He's been drinking the Flames' kool aid for almost 20 years. He deserves to drink champagne.

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#54 SeanCharles
March 14 2013, 08:02PM
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@ Ryan Lambert

Why is there this notion within some Flames fans that we should have traded Iginla long ago?

You don't trade your Franchise Player especially when he's on the verge of breaking organizational records ( he couldn't have done so if traded years ago). You don't trade him when he is your best player and most marketable player on the team, with no one in the wings to replace him.

This team supposedly almost relocated, it may have been an empty threat but still the team had issues just before the cup run.

So why on earth should we have traded him years ago? If we are gonna go back in time to change something why not change for 1 the Phaneuf trade? Or the drafts over years past?

The real thing we should have done years ago is get Iggy a top centre to play with. Phaneuf was the piece that could have gotten that.

I agree maybe it is time to trade him. But I'm sorry I'm just sick of hearing we should have traded him years ago.

There's a lot of things we should have done years ago.

Trading Iginla is not one of them...

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#55 MC Hockey
March 14 2013, 09:57PM
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Plus he called him a stupid gunky head. Ok no he didn't

Hilarious! And great use of the age old "gunky head" insult. Bravo!

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#56 Chris
March 14 2013, 10:40PM
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> Prior to last night's game they could, mathematically, only lose eight more games in regulation all season before they were locked out of getting to the fabled 55-point mark that most believe will be the cutoff for the playoffs this season

The Flames may be in tough, but that particular stat doesn't indicate much. As of tonight, fourth-place St. Louis can only lose 9 games in regulation if they want to get to 55 points (they'd be 26-19-3). To get to 25-18-5, the Wings can only lose 8 in regulation. Columbus must lose no more than 5 in regulation to get to 24-17-7. Using that stat, the Flames (can only lose 7) are in the middle of the playoff-hunting pack.

The more worrying stat is that, if we concede the games against the Hawks and Ducks, the Flames have to go 15-4-1 against the rest to get to 55 points. Even if we were to claim the Flames are the third best team in the Conference, they only get 4 off nights.

Ouch.

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#57 ?
March 14 2013, 11:36PM
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Kipper won't be traded in my estimation. There is no market for an aging goaltender with a large cap hit. Heck, the goalie market is dead. That's why Bobby Lou remains in VAN. In any case, if a team does want a goalie, they'll most likely go after Luongo/Schneider or Bernier in LA.

The Flames' most intriguing assests, apart from Iginla, are JBouw, Gio, and GlenX imo. I believe Jbouw can get you at least a 1st, and it might not even be a late 1st rounder. Philly and Detroit would definetly be interested, and both of them are in very tight playoff races, so you could be looking at a mid 1st rounder. GlenX's play speaks for itself, but his bargain of a contract would entice alot of teams even more. If Pittsburgh or Boston can't get the big names like Iginla, Perry, or Clowe, GlenX would be a nice fit on their teams. Heck, in BOS GlenX might not even crack their top 6. Glencross could fetch the Flames a real nice return. And as for Gio, even with his crappy play this season, he's still a legit top 4 defenceman that can play physical and put points on the board. With LA's injuries on the blueline, they might be interested. Dustin BRown would certainly love not having to play Gio inter-division next season too :).

Jay Feaster, the ball is in your court. Do something with it. Just don't acquire another Freddy Modin.

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#58 Jai Kiran
March 14 2013, 11:38PM
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Minnesota's in playoff position, they've sent Granlund to the minors, we're about to lose them as division rivals: could we trade them serious playoff assistance for Granlund?

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#59 the-wolf
March 15 2013, 06:34AM
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SeanCharles wrote:

@ Ryan Lambert

Why is there this notion within some Flames fans that we should have traded Iginla long ago?

You don't trade your Franchise Player especially when he's on the verge of breaking organizational records ( he couldn't have done so if traded years ago). You don't trade him when he is your best player and most marketable player on the team, with no one in the wings to replace him.

This team supposedly almost relocated, it may have been an empty threat but still the team had issues just before the cup run.

So why on earth should we have traded him years ago? If we are gonna go back in time to change something why not change for 1 the Phaneuf trade? Or the drafts over years past?

The real thing we should have done years ago is get Iggy a top centre to play with. Phaneuf was the piece that could have gotten that.

I agree maybe it is time to trade him. But I'm sorry I'm just sick of hearing we should have traded him years ago.

There's a lot of things we should have done years ago.

Trading Iginla is not one of them...

All of those reasons are exactly why you do trade him. Esepcially this one:

"You don't trade him when he is your best player and most marketable player on the team, with no one in the wings to replace him."

You do it because there is no one else and guess what? You need someone else's.

When I first suggested moving Iginla after his 50 goal season I was essentially booted off of that butt-kissing site of 12 year old fan boys called CalgaryPuck.

Called every name in the book. Because, you know, I was the idiot for suggesting that Jeff Carter, Giroux and a 1st was the way to go. "Those players suck. They're not even close to Iginla. Giroux will never make it." Add in Sbisa? Threats to kill me, I kid you not. "You'd have to trade half of Philly to make it happen, etc., etc."

Well, imagine if Calgary had made that deal. They'd look like geniuses now, wouldn't they? As far as I know, the first person to ever use the Iginla/Sundin comparison was me. Because I saw it already back then. One superstar and a bunch of crap that was never going to go anywhere and here was a chance to get a king's ransom and rebuild.

So, you know what I hate? Short-sighted fan boys who put hero-worshipping a guy making 7 million dollars a year over and above the crest on the front of the jersey. I find it offensive and I find it repulsive and I find it disgusting and it makes me sick.

I hope you've enjoyed watching Iginla set some records. I also hope that you've enjoyed once past the first round in 24 years. Not sure how anyone can cheer for individual player records over the success of the team, but good for you, you're definately a fan of the right team.

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#60 suba steve
March 15 2013, 07:12AM
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@the-wolf

I was at the game where Iggy became the all time leader in points (or goals, don't remember which) as a Flame. The Flames were behind in the 3rd, so my son and I left with something like 10-15min remaining as he had school in the morning. When we got to the car we learned that Iggy had scored and we missed a silver stick presentation. We couldn't have cared less. Would have rather stayed for a TEAM victory. That event is representative of Iggy's time in Calgary, lot's of individual achievment with little team success. Of course, 2004 was glorious, but what else do we have to show for Iggy's tenure, as a team?

Not sure that I would have been on board to trade Iggy after his first 50 goal season, but I have been a supporter of that strategy for at least 3-4 years now. The missed LA deal will forever be a sore point with me.

I'm completely with you, I see a long dry spell ahead, and the best way to shorten that spell is to move the "captain". Don't even get me started on his true value as a "leader".

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#61 suba steve
March 15 2013, 07:12AM
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@the-wolf

Oop, double post.

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#62 the-wolf
March 15 2013, 07:43AM
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suba steve wrote:

I was at the game where Iggy became the all time leader in points (or goals, don't remember which) as a Flame. The Flames were behind in the 3rd, so my son and I left with something like 10-15min remaining as he had school in the morning. When we got to the car we learned that Iggy had scored and we missed a silver stick presentation. We couldn't have cared less. Would have rather stayed for a TEAM victory. That event is representative of Iggy's time in Calgary, lot's of individual achievment with little team success. Of course, 2004 was glorious, but what else do we have to show for Iggy's tenure, as a team?

Not sure that I would have been on board to trade Iggy after his first 50 goal season, but I have been a supporter of that strategy for at least 3-4 years now. The missed LA deal will forever be a sore point with me.

I'm completely with you, I see a long dry spell ahead, and the best way to shorten that spell is to move the "captain". Don't even get me started on his true value as a "leader".

Exactly. One minor correction though - it was after his last 50 goal season - so about 5 years ago.

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#63 Alt
March 15 2013, 02:00PM
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Exactly. One minor correction though - it was after his last 50 goal season - so about 5 years ago.

WOW You guys are really over the top with your disdain for Iginla. He,s still worth something on the market!Not as much as 2-3 years ago,but still significant.I don,t like the business side of the league,but i do understand that it is important to market star players,and that every team should have one.

We will get a nice return for Iggy!

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