POST-GAME: All Good Things are Wild and Free!

Vintage Flame
March 22 2013 08:59PM

 

They say at the moment when death is imminent there is a sort of calm that comes over the mind, that is liberating and can be described as uninhibeted  freedom.

One has to wonder how enraged Flames fans were tonight, even though the outcome was expected. What would be even more interesting is how it long it took those same fans to experience that numbness, or that wave of liberation as to what exactly is left for this team and where exactly they are going.

Justin titled the FGD: Choose Your Own Path, and I suspect he was making more reference to the fanbase than the team itself. The Flames seem stuck in a path that they can no longer determine, they no longer have that freedom, rather they are on the wild run... kind of like a runaway train?

If you're still reading this, then let's see how it all played out...

The Rundown

I don't think anyone should have been surprised that the Flames came out in this one looking extremely tentative tonight. For the first half of the period, they seemed to be afraid to take any chances in fear that it might cost them on the scoreboard.

Instead, they would play it safe, trying to make the perfect pass which in turn cost them valuable scoring chances because they held the puck far too long. They were fortunate to get their first scoring chance just 17 seconds into the game and then wouldn't see another for ten minutes.

A pretty low event period that almost got interesting when Bouwmeester walked into a slap shot from the blueline, that didn't quite find its way into the net. Almost though.. almost.

When you don't make things happen, things happen against you; and tonight would be no different. At 16:56, Jared Boll (*sigh*) would wire that sniper like slap shot that he is oh so known for, over the shoulder of a helpless Miikka Kiprusoff. In his defense though, he probably wasn't expecting TJ Brodie to cough up the puck in front of him, or for his teammates to sit and watch as, yes, Jared Boll put the Jackets up 1-0.

The Flames edged Columbus 3-2 in scoring chances, but in fairness both of the Jackets chances were higher in quality than any of Calgary's. Calgary went 65% in the faceoff circle and still got out-shot 9-7, but that's what happens when you are tentative and are looking for the "perfect" play all the time.

Not sure what was said in the dressing room during the intermission, or who did the talking, but someone needed to respond in the second period.

When you need someone to answer the bell, you rarely have to look past Curtis Glencross. Undoubtedly, Calgary's best line once again to the reins of leadership with Stempniak  doing the majority of the work and Glenx doing what #Scorface does best... pumping up that shooting percentage.

For the next 11 minutes, the Flames would bask in the glow that was their tying feat. And then reality would have them come crashing down harder than Jared Boll running Kiprusoff for the third time of the night.

Over the course of a a minute and fifteen seconds, starting at the 13:05 mark, Columbus would put three consecutively passed Kipper, stomping on the hearts and most likely any hope that was held by any Flames fan out there.

The start of the third wasn't pretty as the team came out looking like they were short-handed. Let's face it the team's play at even strength has seemed short-handed at the best of times. If the 3 goals in 1:15 wasn't enough, Kipprusoff looked absolutely shell-shocked after the opening five minutes.

It would take nothing short of a Herculean feat to dig themselves out of this one. Since the Hockey Gods are clearly not behind the Flames, there would be no Herculean anything....

I took an intermission of my own until I was snapped back to consciousness when Colton Gillies extended the deficit to four. At this point, the clock couldn't run out fast enough....

Why the Flames Lost...

I'm not sure how many different ways we can go over this. Night after night, game after game, it's the same old song and dance.

 

Red Warrior

Tonight I am proud to say we are bringing back the "Red Warrior". It's just too bad that for the second night in a row., no one really deserves it.

However, given that we are bringing back the warrior honours, I can't let it debut with no one.

So I'm going with Curtis Glencross tonight. He got the Flames only goal and has been the one guy on this team that has much of anything left to offer.

Now unlike an earlier misconception that was blatantly taken out of context on twitter earlier today, I am not saying that anyone on this team doesn't care or isn't just as troubled about the losses piling up faster than PETA can protest the latest videogame. What I am saying is that night in and night out, Curtis has come to play for this team.

For the past month.. hell, for the past 4 years, fans have taken their turns at throwing pot-shots at various players on the team; from Iginla right down to Kiprusoff. The one name I can honestly say I've never seen thrown around when it comes to effort, is Glencross.

For that reason, and twitter be damned... Tonight's Red Warrior is Curtis Glencross.

Scoring Chances

Flames chances:

BJs chances:

 

Scoring Chance Summary

Team Period Time Note Home Away State
Away 1 19:27 Iginla shot 10 16 22 7 51 72 10 24 12 5 26 34 5v5
Away 1 10:07 Bouwmeester one-timer 42 13 11 7 51 72 18 22 20 4 7 34 5v5
Home 1 6:37 Anisimov slot 42 13 11 7 51 72 18 15 22 5 26 34 5v5
Home 1 3:04 Boll goal 42 13 11 6 47 72 13 17 40 5 26 34 5v5
Away 1 0:17 Cervenka shot (PP) 18 13 6 33 72   10 20 40 4 7 34 4v5
Home 2 19:14 Johnson shot 18 19 71 7 51 72 10 24 12 4 26 34 5v5
Away 2 15:37 Glencross goal 9 24 13 6 47 72 18 22 20 4 7 34 5v5
Away 2 14:16 Cammalleri slot 18 19 71 20 33 72 13 17 40 5 26 34 5v5
Away 2 14:08 Iginla in close 18 19 71 20 33 72 12 13 40 4 7 34 5v5
Away 2 12:16 Cammalleri shot 9 24 40 7 51 72 13 17 40 5 26 34 5v5
Home 2 11:45 scramble 42 13 11 20 33 72 18 22 20 4 7 34 5v5
Home 2 9:13 slot shot 10 16 22 6 47 72 13 17 40 5 26 34 5v5
Away 2 7:24 Begin post 9 24 40 6 47 72 15 16 25 6 27 34 5v5
Home 2 6:55 Foligno goal 18 19 71 7 51 72 13 17 40 5 26 34 5v5
Home 2 6:05 Foligno slot goal 18 19 71 7 51 72 13 17 40 5 26 34 5v5
Home 2 5:41 Anisimov goal 42 13 11 20 33 72 18 22 20 4 7 34 5v5
Home 2 3:44 Johnson high slot (PP) 16 18 71 7 51 72 20 40 4 5 34   5v4
Away 2 1:08 Cervenka in close 9 24 40 6 47 72 10 24 12 4 7 34 5v5
Home 3 19:16 Brassard (PP) 16 18 71 7 51 72 18 22 4 26 34   5v4
Home 3 17:02 Atkinson in close 10 13 11 7 51 72 10 24 12 4 26 34 5v5
Away 3 16:00 Cammalleri high slot 9 24 40 6 47 72 13 17 40 5 7 34 5v5
Away 3 9:14 Cervenka slot 18 19 71 20 33 72 10 24 12 4 7 34 5v5
Home 3 8:33 Calvert drive 42 13 11 6 47 72 18 22 20 4 7 34 5v5
Home 3 6:46 Gillies goal 10 16 22 20 33 72 13 17 40 4 7 34 5v5
Away 3 4:37 Jackman drive 9 24 40 6 47 72 15 16 25 6 27 34 5v5
Home 3 1:56 Johnson shot 18 19 71 7 51 72 15 16 25 7 26 34 5v5
Away 3 1:13 Wideman (PP) 10 42 7 51 72   10 24 12 5 26 34 4v5

 

Blue Jackets Player Summary

# Player EV     PP     SH    
6 NIKITIN, NIKITA 17:33 3 5 02:18 0 0 00:56 0 1
7 JOHNSON, JACK 14:40 6 3 05:53 2 0 02:26 0 1
9 GILLIES, COLTON 12:00 0 6 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
10 LETESTU, MARK 15:29 3 1 00:11 0 0 02:06 0 1
11 CALVERT, MATT 11:01 6 1 00:00 0 0 00:16 0 0
13 ATKINSON, CAM 11:25 6 2 00:01 0 0 00:44 0 1
16 BRASSARD, DERICK 12:06 2 1 04:45 2 0 00:00 0 0
18 UMBERGER, RJ 12:38 4 3 04:31 2 0 00:44 0 1
19 JOHANSEN, RYAN 12:49 4 3 03:22 0 0 00:12 0 0
20 ERIXON, TIM 15:51 3 3 01:55 0 0 00:00 0 0
22 PROSPAL, VINNY 13:03 2 1 03:29 0 0 00:00 0 0
24 MACKENZIE, DEREK 12:19 0 6 00:00 0 0 00:42 0 0
33 AUCOIN, ADRIAN 17:53 3 3 00:00 0 0 00:50 0 1
40 BOLL, JARED 11:34 0 5 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
42 ANISIMOV, ARTEM 08:48 5 1 02:53 0 0 02:00 0 1
47 PROUT, DALTON 17:25 3 5 00:17 0 0 00:06 0 0
51 TYUTIN, FEDOR 13:54 6 3 05:37 2 0 02:26 0 1
71 FOLIGNO, NICK 12:42 4 3 04:48 2 0 00:00 0 0
72 BOBROVSKY, SERGEI   12 11   2 0   0 2

Flames Scoring Summary

# Player EV     PP     SH    
4 BOUWMEESTER, JAY 16:37 5 6 00:58 1 0 06:18 0 2
5 GIORDANO, MARK 18:49 4 5 02:13 1 0 04:34 0 1
6 SARICH, CORY 12:19 2 0 00:00 0 0 00:43 0 0
7 BRODIE, TJ 16:00 6 5 01:09 1 0 01:33 0 0
10 CERVENKA, ROMAN 14:51 3 2 02:21 2 0 00:00 0 0
12 IGINLA, JAROME 14:45 4 2 02:13 1 0 00:00 0 0
13 CAMMALLERI, MIKE 13:51 4 5 01:01 0 0 00:00 0 0
15 JACKMAN, TIM 08:37 2 2 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
16 MCGRATTAN, BRIAN 08:44 2 1 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
17 COMEAU, BLAKE 13:50 3 5 00:19 0 0 02:06 0 0
18 STAJAN, MATT 11:51 2 4 00:00 0 0 02:47 0 1
20 GLENCROSS, CURTIS 10:21 2 3 00:50 1 0 03:22 0 1
22 STEMPNIAK, LEE 12:03 2 4 00:00 0 0 02:40 0 1
24 HUDLER, JIRI 15:07 3 2 02:13 1 0 00:00 0 0
25 BEGIN, STEVE 07:50 2 1 00:00 0 0 01:51 0 0
26 WIDEMAN, DENNIS 20:35 3 8 02:24 1 0 02:52 0 1
27 SMITH, DEREK 13:17 2 0 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
34 KIPRUSOFF, MIIKKA   11 12   2 0   0 2
40 TANGUAY, ALEX 13:46 4 5 01:09 1 0 03:14 0 1

 

Blue Jackets Period Summary Scoring Chances

Period Totals EV PP 5v3 PP SH 5v3 SH
1 2 3 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
2 7 6 6 6 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
3 5 4 4 3 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0

Flames Period Summary Scoring Chances

Period Totals EV PP 5v3 PP SH 5v3 SH
1 3 2 2 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2 6 7 6 6 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
3 4 5 3 4 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0

 

Sum It Up

I'm going to keep this one short tonight. Here is the hard facts of reality.

The biggest thing that plagues this organization is probably the hardest slap in it's face. This team just isn't good. It's not that it's not as good as they thought, they just aren't good... period.

When the Flames are fortunate to catch a tired team that is is forced to play their back-ups on the second night of back-to-backs, they still have to be at their best and have a mistake free night to maybe pull out the "big win". However if the Calgary Flames are unfortunate enough to face a team, any team, that has it together and is on their game, then they just don't have a chance.

That might be tough to hear, but I'm sure it's even tougher for the boys to come to realize. But like I said before once the wildness of that realization comes to pass, there will be that relief, that calmness, that freedom to finally focus on what they need to do.

It's not going to be a fun plane ride home, but at least they are going home. There is no doubt now, that for Murray, Ken and Jay.. it's decision time.

Flames next opponent will be the St. Louis Blues on Sunday at 6:00 pm. Catch the game on SNET-W and the Fan 960.

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Vintage Flame is a Calgary based sports junkie that prefers to call hockey a "religion" rather than an addiction. He believes there are two types of hockey fans. Those who cheer for the Flames, and those who don't understand the sport yet. Follow Vintage_Flame on Twitter
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#1 Clay
March 22 2013, 09:04PM
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Decision time? I can see nothing happening, and "the return not being sufficient" being the excuse. Maybe its time for some reflection into what players on a 28th place team are really worth.

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#2 RexLibris
March 22 2013, 09:57PM
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Clay wrote:

Decision time? I can see nothing happening, and "the return not being sufficient" being the excuse. Maybe its time for some reflection into what players on a 28th place team are really worth.

I could lend you the 2009-2010 Oilers price guide. Every player and their value in mint, near-mint, and slightly damaged.

j/k

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#3 Colin.S
March 22 2013, 10:35PM
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I bet we here the same BS from management about how we can still go for it and that season ticket renewal was at 98% so KK is doing a great job and nothing needs to change.....

I really hope that this season some how gets some sense knocked into them and make some serious changes, not just these rotating pieces they keep trying to add.

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#4 T&A4Flames
March 22 2013, 11:29PM
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Ryan Pike wrote:

Sunday's game is going to be very interesting.

You thinkin' that a trade is already in place and they're waiting for 1 more game for Jarome at the dome? Me too.

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#5 Kevin R
March 23 2013, 10:37AM
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A lot of weird feelings about last night. On the one hand I hate seeing the team I have loved since they moved here hit this low. It's really a scary dejavu of the young guns era. Now that was bad hockey & just no hope in sight. The dollar was bad, economy rough & I had to maintain my Season Tickets to a crap product to do my part so we still had a hockey team. The dollar & economy dictated the downfall of this team. 2004 was like being dipped in holy water. The dollar has been good, the Alberta economy rock solid, no worries about a hockey franchise in Canada. The downfall has been we blindly followed management who gave us that spiritual spring right back to the burning pits of Hades. The pillars of that hope for the last almost 10 years are no more. It's a sad feeling to see the end of an era that started so good. On the other hand I'm excited, we saw where this path was going for awhile and now I have to agree, this whole Iginla saga is now tiresome and is having an impact on the whole team. Its wrong on so many levels, its wrong management dont work out a deal to move him sooner than later, its wrong to put 1 player above the team & if the decision is Iggy's & we are waiting for his "decision", Iggy for the love of Mike what are you waiting for. Move on & go win your Cup. It certainly wont be here next year & the window for the next 3 years is closed tight. That takes you to about the end of your career. My only excitement falls in the hope that everyone does the right thing & the fact the Cap has given the NHL as much parity as you could possibly hope for. Spending wisely and good hockey moves can shorten the time of suffering quicker than ever. We dont have to have that hopeless feeling of the young gun era. Now we must move on & find a new spring of holy water.

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#6 Colin
March 23 2013, 10:47AM
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If Kent is still reading through this post, an idea for a future article. A lot has been made of the Flames woes because of poor drafting and not drafting enough. I'm curious if this holds true in that if we held onto all those draft picks we traded/lost what would those draft picks become(plus or minus 10 picks or so, like who could we have drafted in the the 10 picks above or below where we should have drafted) and would those draft picks become NHLers?

Like if we held onto all the players we drafted or signed as Free agents, we could have Fowler, Phanuef, Giordano and Brodie on D right now.

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#7 Old Soldier
March 23 2013, 04:32PM
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You are a homebuyer, and you decided to buy a house in a very limited market. The only house available has had an interesting history but the last two decades havent been kind. The previous owners have tried a littany of "quick fixes", new paint, new carpet, some tile here and there, but the cracks and rot that the paint, carpet and tile were hiding are growing and can no longer be hidden by "cosmetic" changes. You buy the house, knowing it needs some "fixing up" so what is the logical thing to do?

Take out a second mortgage, call Holmes on Homes and strip it to the original frame and rebuild.

Common sense.

So with the state of the Flames for almost that long, why is everyone looking at trades and free agents.....those have been done.

The place to look. Your own roster. 3, count them, 3 home grown drafted Flames players have played for the Flames this year, and that is including Baerschti. As a comparison, the Oilers have had 15 different draft picks play part or all of the season with the big club.

Chicago has had 12 of their draft picks play with the club this year.

Pittsburgh has had 13 of their draft picks play with the club this year.

To me, an outsider, this is the whole root of the problem and the reason why it cant be a quick fix.

I know that Flames fans like to hype their picks (Johnny hockey et al) but they are still rated 28th by THN and 29th by HockeyProspectus.

Fire every scout you have. Go and plunder other clubs and overpay for their best scouts (not their old free agents). Start using your picks wisely, and building a foundation of talent in all positions.

Hire a pro scout to watch each and every AHL team and try to steal under the radar players from other teams in minor league deals.

This is just a dumb old soldier talking, and I know it wont happen, which is a shame, because I may have grown up a Oiler fan, I am also a BOA fan and I was posted in Calgary for 10 years and force fed the Flames in the 80's and 90's and learned not to "hate" them too much.

Good Luck Flames.

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#8 Derzie
March 23 2013, 11:46PM
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John Davidson was available in the summer. Calgary ignored the slam dunk opportunity. He went to Columbus. Only appropriate that the Jackets drive the nail in our coffin on their rise back to respectability. Nobody from Edwards on down deserves to stay in their position to guide the Flames back to the light. We missed a big chance this summer.

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#9 Jeff In Lethbridge
March 24 2013, 08:57AM
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let's just admit it; we're all in a pissy mood.

:-P

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#10 Ales Hallsky
March 22 2013, 09:05PM
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Free Iggy

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#11 Chris Fairfield
March 22 2013, 09:27PM
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The time is now. Iginla, Kiprusoff, Tanguay, Cammalleri, See what we can get for bums like Butler and Smith, demote or release MacBackup and bring up Danny Taylor. When Iginla was on the bench during the 2nd and they were down 4-1 after the 75 second barrage, Iginla was smiling and talking to Glencross, 5 seconds later he was seated beside Jackman and the smile was erased. For the good GM, changes would have and should have already been made, but for this organization, it is will be more pain and frustration, and, no moves, it is well past the point of any shakeups. I can't even get angry anymore because these results are expected.

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#12 Brent G.
March 22 2013, 09:37PM
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I hope but fear I don't see them doing anything of consequence. I just have no faith in this team doing what is right and necessary and will blame injuries or some redundant excuse to not make changes. Honestly Iggy needs to go regardless of return for his sake and the Flames. Nothing can happen until he moves on.

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#13 Hitch_27
March 22 2013, 09:54PM
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Well said. Relief, calmness...go into the light.

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#14 RexLibris
March 22 2013, 09:55PM
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Elliot Friedman in an interview on 1260 today speculated that the trade negotiations for Iginla have begun, but that all parties involved are doing their best to keep things quiet.

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So then, here is the $64,000 question - do fans believe that the Flames can have one bad year, draft high, and then rebound like the Senators, Flyers and Canadiens?

Or, do some believe that the team is lacking in virtually every category of core player and that the only way to address these issues are by committing to an organizational overhaul?

My two cents? If Feaster or King in their interviews or conversations with fans start to bring up the prospect of a quick rebound, call them on it, because they are grossly incorrect.

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#15 john peart
March 22 2013, 09:59PM
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Boy, it wasn't long ago that all we heard was "intellectual honesty" seems everyone has long forgotten that statement .... time to bring it back. There is absolutely no hope for this team ..... career the rest of the season and we squeeze into 8th ..... who wants a team like that ..... burn it to the ground, the time has clearly come.

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#16 negrilcowboy
March 22 2013, 10:07PM
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great to see your warrior captain having such a delightful time. so who goes first hartley or iggie. after what i seen tonight captain crunch is more of a leader than captain iggy.

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#17 T&A4Flames
March 22 2013, 10:13PM
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RexLibris wrote:

Elliot Friedman in an interview on 1260 today speculated that the trade negotiations for Iginla have begun, but that all parties involved are doing their best to keep things quiet.

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So then, here is the $64,000 question - do fans believe that the Flames can have one bad year, draft high, and then rebound like the Senators, Flyers and Canadiens?

Or, do some believe that the team is lacking in virtually every category of core player and that the only way to address these issues are by committing to an organizational overhaul?

My two cents? If Feaster or King in their interviews or conversations with fans start to bring up the prospect of a quick rebound, call them on it, because they are grossly incorrect.

Depending on who goes and the return, yea, I believe they can rebound. The west is more difficult to contend in so it will be harder than OTT & PHI, IMO. I think that there is enough vets still and leadership if Iggy goes. A bit of luck and some savvy moves, we can at least battle for 8th still. At least it should be with a younger group with some hope for the future.

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#18 Jeropotato
March 22 2013, 10:30PM
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I am an Oilers fan. Just sayin' The Flames could conceivably catch the Oilers and dominate the league in less than 5 years if they hold a fire sale.They will draft in the top 3 this year-FACT. They have th assets to acquire 4 more first round picks if they move Camm, Iggy,Kipper and JayBo. Probably a couple 2nd rounders as well as a few good prospects. Maybe they can turn 1 into a Jonathan Bernier, who knows? Point is, they will be terrible next year too, but good golly that could be a good chunk of their core put together in just over a year. Scary.Glad it wont happen.

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#19 Potlicker
March 22 2013, 10:38PM
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Enough is enough! Flames management need to trade Iginla immediately because this whole speculation media circus is undoubtably affecting the whole team. The other pieces can be traded closer to the trade deadline, with Jerome, they cant afford to wait that long. Cmon King, we all know the decision has already been made. Get it done. Get the list of the teams(Iginla has provided already) GMs on the phone on the way home, all night, tomorrow morning & until this gets done. Get the bidding war going & just take the best offer you can. & if some of the twitter out of Boston is true & there is Hamilton + a 1st on the table, for Gods sake take it!!!!

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#20 schevvy
March 22 2013, 10:46PM
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Nemisz scored tonight guys! Positives!

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#21 Danny Lawson
March 22 2013, 10:50PM
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Lousy team, expected results. I saw this coming 3 years ago. Flames now easily worst team in the province.

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#22 Butter
March 22 2013, 10:53PM
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Oilers fan here *dodges flying chair*. Speaking from experience, there will be serenity in the knowledge that your team will not make the playoffs. You will feel no stress watching games for a while.

I do sincerely hope your re-build is a quick one. I hope one day Alberta is death valley for visiting teams and the BOA means something again like it was in the classic battles of the 80s.

BTW don't draft Jones, I don't want him running the Oil for the next 15 years.

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#23 T&A4Flames
March 22 2013, 11:02PM
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Potlicker wrote:

Enough is enough! Flames management need to trade Iginla immediately because this whole speculation media circus is undoubtably affecting the whole team. The other pieces can be traded closer to the trade deadline, with Jerome, they cant afford to wait that long. Cmon King, we all know the decision has already been made. Get it done. Get the list of the teams(Iginla has provided already) GMs on the phone on the way home, all night, tomorrow morning & until this gets done. Get the bidding war going & just take the best offer you can. & if some of the twitter out of Boston is true & there is Hamilton + a 1st on the table, for Gods sake take it!!!!

Who's twitter? I have been lobbying for Hamilton for weeks but I never would believe that BOS would put him up. I did hear that Chiarelli said Subban and Spooner would not be traded. No mention of Hamilton.

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#24 Hitch_27
March 22 2013, 11:05PM
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@Hitch_27

This is what it is. We've all seen it coming and hoped it wouldn't, but it has, alas, the team sucks. Burn it to the ground? Maybe, but you have to be careful what you wish for. The Flames will draft who they draft, (check out 2003) sign who they sign or trade who they trade, like it or not. We have no say in that.So what can we do?Seasons tickets holders: Complain, non renew

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#25 negrilcowboy
March 22 2013, 11:11PM
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Potlicker wrote:

Enough is enough! Flames management need to trade Iginla immediately because this whole speculation media circus is undoubtably affecting the whole team. The other pieces can be traded closer to the trade deadline, with Jerome, they cant afford to wait that long. Cmon King, we all know the decision has already been made. Get it done. Get the list of the teams(Iginla has provided already) GMs on the phone on the way home, all night, tomorrow morning & until this gets done. Get the bidding war going & just take the best offer you can. & if some of the twitter out of Boston is true & there is Hamilton + a 1st on the table, for Gods sake take it!!!!

ken will resign jarome, hartley will be fired is most likely what will happen. no other explanation to the captain laughin while the jackets are bitch slappin ya.

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#26 Ryan Pike
March 22 2013, 11:12PM
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Sunday's game is going to be very interesting.

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#27 Scary Gary
March 22 2013, 11:21PM
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Hitch_27 wrote:

This is what it is. We've all seen it coming and hoped it wouldn't, but it has, alas, the team sucks. Burn it to the ground? Maybe, but you have to be careful what you wish for. The Flames will draft who they draft, (check out 2003) sign who they sign or trade who they trade, like it or not. We have no say in that.So what can we do?Seasons tickets holders: Complain, non renew

You realize there's a multi-year season ticket lineup right?

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#28 Frank
March 22 2013, 11:35PM
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Go Hitmen!!

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#29 Jay
March 23 2013, 12:01AM
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I don't get it. obviously we gotta torch things up abit. burn iginla, bowmeister, kipper, and basically everyone who will fetch anything. but you guys want picks? seriously? why we can't draft for $hit, why bother drafting anyone? at least with prospects, our poor drafting is not called into play. we can develope the talent and see where it goes. ima not saying we're much at developing talent but ima sure its better than drafting. another thing we gotta dump king, sure he's a good guy but i don't think he can do whuts necessary to put the team back in contention. look where we're at. and another thing.... fister should go too, i mean seriously this guy talks of intellectual honesty? he's pretty much drove this club off a cliff with his BS. when he got hired i'm pretty sure he sold them on ' oh i won't have to rebuild it, i can make some small changes and we can remain competitive.' YUP we're competitive alright. /rant

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#30 Captain Ron
March 23 2013, 12:10AM
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Nemisz scored tonight guys! Positives!

Give him another year or two and he can challenge Stajan for that number one spot!

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#31 If Only HIs Name Was Olli Postandin
March 23 2013, 12:24AM
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Man, if the Flames keep this up, they won`t be able to make that mad dash to ninth. Yikes, brave new world.

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#32 JustAGuy
March 23 2013, 01:00AM
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Hey Iggy...if you wanted to demand a trade you could have just asked...rather than choosing to just not show up for the past 10 games! Thanks for the great seasons....er...I mean season...that was a great ONE playoff run you brought! #goodriddance #overrated

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#33 Justin Azevedo
March 23 2013, 02:41AM
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Hey Iggy...if you wanted to demand a trade you could have just asked...rather than choosing to just not show up for the past 10 games! Thanks for the great seasons....er...I mean season...that was a great ONE playoff run you brought! #goodriddance #overrated

get out of here

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#34 Blitz
March 23 2013, 03:24AM
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I know I shouldn't be shocked. I understand and accept where this team is..hell, it's been teetering on the edge for a long, looong time now. Sigh. I guess what I have an issue with is just how divided the fanbase seems to be right now.

Deadline day can't come soon enough. Put up or shut up Feaster.

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#35 Robert Johnson
March 23 2013, 03:37AM
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If Gary Bettman is a betting man (it’s right there in his name) his roll of the dice is staring to pay off.

As we should all realize, the National Hockey League ran a well orchestrated lockout at the start of the season that left NHL barns void of puck action until January.

Their hope was for the buildings to be packed during the 48 game schedule and to make the season a multi-team sprint to the playoffs. Check and Check!

Did Grandpa King, Uncle Feastor (has he been shipped to Siberia?) and the rest of the Flames ownership/management "misinterpret" that league message as well?

Kick back and enjoy the playoff run....it's underway - for many teams - and it's fantastic puck action!

Go Hitmen!

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#36 Rick
March 23 2013, 06:26AM
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I believe that Murray Edwards is the real problem, he and Ken King are so in love with Iginla that they refuse to do the right thing for the long term and dont care because the rink is full every game anyhow so why should they care? Although you would think that they would like the revenue some playoff games would bring. Feaster is nothing but a puppet for Edwards and King. Since the Flames messed up the O'Reilly deal Feaster has not made 1 media availability, talk about lack of guts. God this organization is so messed up, it is so embarrassing. I cannot believe how so many of this teams veteran, supposedly "star" players are putting out zero effort. Unbelieveable that they have so little pride. Absolutely disgusting. I think that Brent Sutter told Edwards and King the truth about how this team needed big time player movement to compete moving forward and they would not listen to him and now look where they are. You can see Hartley knows where the problems are as well.

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#37 Harry Crack
March 23 2013, 09:12AM
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It still amazes me that we are at this point AGAIN.Late last season when they were on the edge of possible 8th they imploded and lost to 3 non playoff teams. It was over. Fast forward to this year. It is over! If Edwards and King really are, and have been pulling the strings, its time they jumped off their egos and let a GM make smart(not emotional) hockey decisions.......PLEASE !!!

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#38 Harry Crack
March 23 2013, 09:18AM
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Once again my primary Playoffs watching incentive will be too see anyone knock off the Vancouver Cannots ! It not even close to the joy of walking the red mile ( wistfully remembers) after a Flames playoff win , but it's something......

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#39 backburner
March 23 2013, 09:31AM
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Have you watched any of the last 10 games? When your team has 101 goals against in 29 games... It doesn't take a Genius to figure out why the Flames suck this year...

Side bar...

We all know how bad the Flames looked after the ROR offer sheet... but how about the Aves? they could of drafted Drouin AND Mackinnon this year... two picks in the top three.. Brutal.

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#40 Jay
March 23 2013, 09:45AM
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^ agreed the flames looked bad over the o'reilly offer. and I mean bad, like the 8th grader still wearing diapers bad. But if Colorado would of known the rule, they would of got the word out and not had to worry about offer sheets. I was personally hoping o'reilly would of sat all year and have his entire career ruined! I hate greedy self obsessed players like him

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#41 mcculb
March 23 2013, 09:50AM
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King got rid of Keenan and the Sutters and we are actually worse. Can FN put together an Article on ownership and mainly King digging under the surface to expose the root cause of this organizations struggles? I understand it may take big Oliver "Stones" to do. However history shows us that change often does not happen until the revolution dictates it. Let's lobby for the replacement of King.

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#42 RexLibris
March 23 2013, 09:57AM
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Nemisz scored tonight guys! Positives!

Own goal?

;-)

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#43 RexLibris
March 23 2013, 10:02AM
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@T&A4Flames

They have been exposed this season for having extremely poor goaltending and a severe lack of NHL centers.

What assets do you see them bringing in this off-season to offset those deficiencies to the extent that they could climb overtop of the seven or eight teams currently ahead of them in the standings?

Ottawa had Spezza, Alfredsson, Karlsson, Anderson and a host of other prospects upon which to draw for their quick rebound. The Flyers had a group of forwards like Carter, Richards, Giroux, and a solid defensive corps to dress.

As Kent has said before, the Flames need everything. I don't see how they could possibly go back to a playoff borderline team in a single season given the obstacles ahead of them and the kinds of purchases that are required.

I will be very interested to see what Feaster does (if he is still around) this summer. This was his roster that bottomed out, does he have the competence to fix his own mistakes?

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#44 Chris Fairfield
March 23 2013, 10:04AM
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Blitz wrote:

I know I shouldn't be shocked. I understand and accept where this team is..hell, it's been teetering on the edge for a long, looong time now. Sigh. I guess what I have an issue with is just how divided the fanbase seems to be right now.

Deadline day can't come soon enough. Put up or shut up Feaster.

Deadline day is already here, it's just that Feaster, Edwards and King are asleep at the wheel, at the expense of the fans and the team.

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#45 Big Ell
March 23 2013, 10:05AM
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Elliot Friedman in an interview on 1260 today speculated that the trade negotiations for Iginla have begun, but that all parties involved are doing their best to keep things quiet.

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So then, here is the $64,000 question - do fans believe that the Flames can have one bad year, draft high, and then rebound like the Senators, Flyers and Canadiens?

Or, do some believe that the team is lacking in virtually every category of core player and that the only way to address these issues are by committing to an organizational overhaul?

My two cents? If Feaster or King in their interviews or conversations with fans start to bring up the prospect of a quick rebound, call them on it, because they are grossly incorrect.

I agree. A quick rebuild is out of the question.

The Senators rebuilt and were able to keep some talented guys like Spezza and Alfreddson. They also had way more top level prospects coming up at the time Cowan, Silfverberg, Lehner, Karlsson, Wiercioch, Zach Smith etc.

That Flyers team still had Gagne, Pitkanen, Carter, Richards. They didn't have a ton of prospects apart from Giroux and Downie but a bounce back season was probably expected.

I think the Canadiens are a slightly better comparison because they had questionable prospect depth like the Flames. But their young core was so much stronger with Pacioretty, Subban, Price, Plekanec etc.

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#46 Harry Crack
March 23 2013, 10:15AM
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Deadline day is already here, it's just that Feaster, Edwards and King are asleep at the wheel, at the expense of the fans and the team.

Father time has found Kipper. Will reality find King and Edwards ? If the Jerome for Bernier rumours are true......get it done !

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#47 HongKongHockeyFan
March 23 2013, 10:20AM
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As a big time Flames fan living abroad, I've got few statements to make:

(1) I'm admittedly a little surprised the Flames have played so bad this year. I thought the team would still be battling for ninth or tenth place.

(2) I'm very glad that the Flames have finally hit skid road, particularly in shortened season.

(3) I'm glad Kipper got injured and has not been playing lights out. But he has certainly not been the key reason for Flames poor performance. Imagine if he stoled 4/5 games for the Flames, that would be a much worse outcome.

(4) I'm really looking forward to the next couple weeks as finally ownership will finally have to make some real hockey decisions. I'll be shocked if the Flames stand pat. (4) I'm ecstatic the Flames will have a top 5 pick in the upcoming draft.

(5) I knew Feaster made a huge mistake handing over Montreal a second round pick in the Cammalleri/Bourque trade. That pick is essentially as good as a late first rounder, for what its worth.

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#48 Mullen Mania
March 23 2013, 11:07AM
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Well put! The one difference this time from the Young Guns Era is that Ownership has shown the willingness and ability to spend money. Hopefully this indicates they want to win (but seemingly don't know how). I pray we see a change in direction. This will not be a one year bounce back IMO, but if good decisions are made the hockey will be competitive and exciting sooner than later. All moves need to be made with the future in mind and improving the lineup even if takes three years before it comes together as a competitive team, put pieces in place that give it a chance to become a contender. Continuing to spin our wheels has taken us through this slow decline and a sad end to an era. Time to embrace the future!

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#49 suba steve
March 23 2013, 11:10AM
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That's a real tough assignment. Looking at all players available at the #14 pick in 2012, how could you possibly predict who the Flames would have taken, had they actually made that pick? Some players that they may have taken will turn out great, others will not be NHLers. Perhaps, they would have taken Janko even at 14th. What if Janko had been taken at #20 by PHI? Who would the Flames have then taken 21st? Same deal with past draft picks, there are always some players that fall through the cracks, and occasionally you land one (eg. Theo, G Suter, maybe Gaudreau). Looking back at what you could have had is just asking for a lot of pain.

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#50 Chris Fairfield
March 23 2013, 11:17AM
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Harry Crack wrote:

Father time has found Kipper. Will reality find King and Edwards ? If the Jerome for Bernier rumours are true......get it done !

It is true, Kipper is slower in his reaction time, due to the lingering effects of the knee injury as well as his age. On one of the goals in the Nashville game, Kiprusoff barely stuck out his glove, and the puck was already by him. A few years back, he would have been battling for position and that puck would be in his glove. As for King and Edwards finding reality, Nope, and the Jarome for Bernier deal, Hell Yeah!

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