POST-GAME: All Good Things are Wild and Free!

Vintage Flame
March 22 2013 08:59PM

 

They say at the moment when death is imminent there is a sort of calm that comes over the mind, that is liberating and can be described as uninhibeted  freedom.

One has to wonder how enraged Flames fans were tonight, even though the outcome was expected. What would be even more interesting is how it long it took those same fans to experience that numbness, or that wave of liberation as to what exactly is left for this team and where exactly they are going.

Justin titled the FGD: Choose Your Own Path, and I suspect he was making more reference to the fanbase than the team itself. The Flames seem stuck in a path that they can no longer determine, they no longer have that freedom, rather they are on the wild run... kind of like a runaway train?

If you're still reading this, then let's see how it all played out...

The Rundown

I don't think anyone should have been surprised that the Flames came out in this one looking extremely tentative tonight. For the first half of the period, they seemed to be afraid to take any chances in fear that it might cost them on the scoreboard.

Instead, they would play it safe, trying to make the perfect pass which in turn cost them valuable scoring chances because they held the puck far too long. They were fortunate to get their first scoring chance just 17 seconds into the game and then wouldn't see another for ten minutes.

A pretty low event period that almost got interesting when Bouwmeester walked into a slap shot from the blueline, that didn't quite find its way into the net. Almost though.. almost.

When you don't make things happen, things happen against you; and tonight would be no different. At 16:56, Jared Boll (*sigh*) would wire that sniper like slap shot that he is oh so known for, over the shoulder of a helpless Miikka Kiprusoff. In his defense though, he probably wasn't expecting TJ Brodie to cough up the puck in front of him, or for his teammates to sit and watch as, yes, Jared Boll put the Jackets up 1-0.

The Flames edged Columbus 3-2 in scoring chances, but in fairness both of the Jackets chances were higher in quality than any of Calgary's. Calgary went 65% in the faceoff circle and still got out-shot 9-7, but that's what happens when you are tentative and are looking for the "perfect" play all the time.

Not sure what was said in the dressing room during the intermission, or who did the talking, but someone needed to respond in the second period.

When you need someone to answer the bell, you rarely have to look past Curtis Glencross. Undoubtedly, Calgary's best line once again to the reins of leadership with Stempniak  doing the majority of the work and Glenx doing what #Scorface does best... pumping up that shooting percentage.

For the next 11 minutes, the Flames would bask in the glow that was their tying feat. And then reality would have them come crashing down harder than Jared Boll running Kiprusoff for the third time of the night.

Over the course of a a minute and fifteen seconds, starting at the 13:05 mark, Columbus would put three consecutively passed Kipper, stomping on the hearts and most likely any hope that was held by any Flames fan out there.

The start of the third wasn't pretty as the team came out looking like they were short-handed. Let's face it the team's play at even strength has seemed short-handed at the best of times. If the 3 goals in 1:15 wasn't enough, Kipprusoff looked absolutely shell-shocked after the opening five minutes.

It would take nothing short of a Herculean feat to dig themselves out of this one. Since the Hockey Gods are clearly not behind the Flames, there would be no Herculean anything....

I took an intermission of my own until I was snapped back to consciousness when Colton Gillies extended the deficit to four. At this point, the clock couldn't run out fast enough....

Why the Flames Lost...

I'm not sure how many different ways we can go over this. Night after night, game after game, it's the same old song and dance.

 

Red Warrior

Tonight I am proud to say we are bringing back the "Red Warrior". It's just too bad that for the second night in a row., no one really deserves it.

However, given that we are bringing back the warrior honours, I can't let it debut with no one.

So I'm going with Curtis Glencross tonight. He got the Flames only goal and has been the one guy on this team that has much of anything left to offer.

Now unlike an earlier misconception that was blatantly taken out of context on twitter earlier today, I am not saying that anyone on this team doesn't care or isn't just as troubled about the losses piling up faster than PETA can protest the latest videogame. What I am saying is that night in and night out, Curtis has come to play for this team.

For the past month.. hell, for the past 4 years, fans have taken their turns at throwing pot-shots at various players on the team; from Iginla right down to Kiprusoff. The one name I can honestly say I've never seen thrown around when it comes to effort, is Glencross.

For that reason, and twitter be damned... Tonight's Red Warrior is Curtis Glencross.

Scoring Chances

Flames chances:

BJs chances:

 

Scoring Chance Summary

Team Period Time Note Home Away State
Away 1 19:27 Iginla shot 10 16 22 7 51 72 10 24 12 5 26 34 5v5
Away 1 10:07 Bouwmeester one-timer 42 13 11 7 51 72 18 22 20 4 7 34 5v5
Home 1 6:37 Anisimov slot 42 13 11 7 51 72 18 15 22 5 26 34 5v5
Home 1 3:04 Boll goal 42 13 11 6 47 72 13 17 40 5 26 34 5v5
Away 1 0:17 Cervenka shot (PP) 18 13 6 33 72   10 20 40 4 7 34 4v5
Home 2 19:14 Johnson shot 18 19 71 7 51 72 10 24 12 4 26 34 5v5
Away 2 15:37 Glencross goal 9 24 13 6 47 72 18 22 20 4 7 34 5v5
Away 2 14:16 Cammalleri slot 18 19 71 20 33 72 13 17 40 5 26 34 5v5
Away 2 14:08 Iginla in close 18 19 71 20 33 72 12 13 40 4 7 34 5v5
Away 2 12:16 Cammalleri shot 9 24 40 7 51 72 13 17 40 5 26 34 5v5
Home 2 11:45 scramble 42 13 11 20 33 72 18 22 20 4 7 34 5v5
Home 2 9:13 slot shot 10 16 22 6 47 72 13 17 40 5 26 34 5v5
Away 2 7:24 Begin post 9 24 40 6 47 72 15 16 25 6 27 34 5v5
Home 2 6:55 Foligno goal 18 19 71 7 51 72 13 17 40 5 26 34 5v5
Home 2 6:05 Foligno slot goal 18 19 71 7 51 72 13 17 40 5 26 34 5v5
Home 2 5:41 Anisimov goal 42 13 11 20 33 72 18 22 20 4 7 34 5v5
Home 2 3:44 Johnson high slot (PP) 16 18 71 7 51 72 20 40 4 5 34   5v4
Away 2 1:08 Cervenka in close 9 24 40 6 47 72 10 24 12 4 7 34 5v5
Home 3 19:16 Brassard (PP) 16 18 71 7 51 72 18 22 4 26 34   5v4
Home 3 17:02 Atkinson in close 10 13 11 7 51 72 10 24 12 4 26 34 5v5
Away 3 16:00 Cammalleri high slot 9 24 40 6 47 72 13 17 40 5 7 34 5v5
Away 3 9:14 Cervenka slot 18 19 71 20 33 72 10 24 12 4 7 34 5v5
Home 3 8:33 Calvert drive 42 13 11 6 47 72 18 22 20 4 7 34 5v5
Home 3 6:46 Gillies goal 10 16 22 20 33 72 13 17 40 4 7 34 5v5
Away 3 4:37 Jackman drive 9 24 40 6 47 72 15 16 25 6 27 34 5v5
Home 3 1:56 Johnson shot 18 19 71 7 51 72 15 16 25 7 26 34 5v5
Away 3 1:13 Wideman (PP) 10 42 7 51 72   10 24 12 5 26 34 4v5

 

Blue Jackets Player Summary

# Player EV     PP     SH    
6 NIKITIN, NIKITA 17:33 3 5 02:18 0 0 00:56 0 1
7 JOHNSON, JACK 14:40 6 3 05:53 2 0 02:26 0 1
9 GILLIES, COLTON 12:00 0 6 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
10 LETESTU, MARK 15:29 3 1 00:11 0 0 02:06 0 1
11 CALVERT, MATT 11:01 6 1 00:00 0 0 00:16 0 0
13 ATKINSON, CAM 11:25 6 2 00:01 0 0 00:44 0 1
16 BRASSARD, DERICK 12:06 2 1 04:45 2 0 00:00 0 0
18 UMBERGER, RJ 12:38 4 3 04:31 2 0 00:44 0 1
19 JOHANSEN, RYAN 12:49 4 3 03:22 0 0 00:12 0 0
20 ERIXON, TIM 15:51 3 3 01:55 0 0 00:00 0 0
22 PROSPAL, VINNY 13:03 2 1 03:29 0 0 00:00 0 0
24 MACKENZIE, DEREK 12:19 0 6 00:00 0 0 00:42 0 0
33 AUCOIN, ADRIAN 17:53 3 3 00:00 0 0 00:50 0 1
40 BOLL, JARED 11:34 0 5 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
42 ANISIMOV, ARTEM 08:48 5 1 02:53 0 0 02:00 0 1
47 PROUT, DALTON 17:25 3 5 00:17 0 0 00:06 0 0
51 TYUTIN, FEDOR 13:54 6 3 05:37 2 0 02:26 0 1
71 FOLIGNO, NICK 12:42 4 3 04:48 2 0 00:00 0 0
72 BOBROVSKY, SERGEI   12 11   2 0   0 2

Flames Scoring Summary

# Player EV     PP     SH    
4 BOUWMEESTER, JAY 16:37 5 6 00:58 1 0 06:18 0 2
5 GIORDANO, MARK 18:49 4 5 02:13 1 0 04:34 0 1
6 SARICH, CORY 12:19 2 0 00:00 0 0 00:43 0 0
7 BRODIE, TJ 16:00 6 5 01:09 1 0 01:33 0 0
10 CERVENKA, ROMAN 14:51 3 2 02:21 2 0 00:00 0 0
12 IGINLA, JAROME 14:45 4 2 02:13 1 0 00:00 0 0
13 CAMMALLERI, MIKE 13:51 4 5 01:01 0 0 00:00 0 0
15 JACKMAN, TIM 08:37 2 2 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
16 MCGRATTAN, BRIAN 08:44 2 1 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
17 COMEAU, BLAKE 13:50 3 5 00:19 0 0 02:06 0 0
18 STAJAN, MATT 11:51 2 4 00:00 0 0 02:47 0 1
20 GLENCROSS, CURTIS 10:21 2 3 00:50 1 0 03:22 0 1
22 STEMPNIAK, LEE 12:03 2 4 00:00 0 0 02:40 0 1
24 HUDLER, JIRI 15:07 3 2 02:13 1 0 00:00 0 0
25 BEGIN, STEVE 07:50 2 1 00:00 0 0 01:51 0 0
26 WIDEMAN, DENNIS 20:35 3 8 02:24 1 0 02:52 0 1
27 SMITH, DEREK 13:17 2 0 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
34 KIPRUSOFF, MIIKKA   11 12   2 0   0 2
40 TANGUAY, ALEX 13:46 4 5 01:09 1 0 03:14 0 1

 

Blue Jackets Period Summary Scoring Chances

Period Totals EV PP 5v3 PP SH 5v3 SH
1 2 3 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
2 7 6 6 6 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
3 5 4 4 3 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0

Flames Period Summary Scoring Chances

Period Totals EV PP 5v3 PP SH 5v3 SH
1 3 2 2 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2 6 7 6 6 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
3 4 5 3 4 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0

 

Sum It Up

I'm going to keep this one short tonight. Here is the hard facts of reality.

The biggest thing that plagues this organization is probably the hardest slap in it's face. This team just isn't good. It's not that it's not as good as they thought, they just aren't good... period.

When the Flames are fortunate to catch a tired team that is is forced to play their back-ups on the second night of back-to-backs, they still have to be at their best and have a mistake free night to maybe pull out the "big win". However if the Calgary Flames are unfortunate enough to face a team, any team, that has it together and is on their game, then they just don't have a chance.

That might be tough to hear, but I'm sure it's even tougher for the boys to come to realize. But like I said before once the wildness of that realization comes to pass, there will be that relief, that calmness, that freedom to finally focus on what they need to do.

It's not going to be a fun plane ride home, but at least they are going home. There is no doubt now, that for Murray, Ken and Jay.. it's decision time.

Flames next opponent will be the St. Louis Blues on Sunday at 6:00 pm. Catch the game on SNET-W and the Fan 960.

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Vintage Flame is a Calgary based sports junkie that prefers to call hockey a "religion" rather than an addiction. He believes there are two types of hockey fans. Those who cheer for the Flames, and those who don't understand the sport yet. Follow Vintage_Flame on Twitter
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#51 Eric
March 23 2013, 11:28AM
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They've become an astoundingly bad team with no heart and no will to win. The leadership, understandably, is completely vacant. The accountability long lost. Worst of all is absolutely, positively no personality. Drafting top 5 isn't enough, the team needs new faces and needs to realize NOW that the season is over. Close in points doesn't matter when EVERYBODY WATCHING KNOWS the team can't string enough wins together to conquer it, nor remain a winning team through the stretch.

Get this over with. Flames fans would rather watch some newer, younger players lose games, than grow animosity towards players like Iginla, Kiprusoff, Tanguay, Giordano - guys who have generally done well by the organization.

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#52 T&A4Flames
March 23 2013, 11:32AM
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RexLibris wrote:

They have been exposed this season for having extremely poor goaltending and a severe lack of NHL centers.

What assets do you see them bringing in this off-season to offset those deficiencies to the extent that they could climb overtop of the seven or eight teams currently ahead of them in the standings?

Ottawa had Spezza, Alfredsson, Karlsson, Anderson and a host of other prospects upon which to draw for their quick rebound. The Flyers had a group of forwards like Carter, Richards, Giroux, and a solid defensive corps to dress.

As Kent has said before, the Flames need everything. I don't see how they could possibly go back to a playoff borderline team in a single season given the obstacles ahead of them and the kinds of purchases that are required.

I will be very interested to see what Feaster does (if he is still around) this summer. This was his roster that bottomed out, does he have the competence to fix his own mistakes?

Honestly Rex, I think a change in the on ice leadership would do a lot, and that isn't a shot at Iggy or Kipper etc. they have carried this team for so long and they look tired and as they go so goes the team. Its like cleaning out that basement that you've stared at for months and it wears on you unknowingly. Then one day you go to town on it and at the end you feel like a weights been lifted from you. Trades for those 2 will invigorate as much into the team as it will for Iggy and Kipper. I'm sure, like the Oilers when they traded Smyth, it will be a sting, but I think we retain enough vets to push through the next year. I don't think EDM had that.

A for what assets may help, I said it before, luck will play a big part. I've toyed with the trade proposals, mostly to the high end, not realistic possibilities, but you never know, especially in such a strange season. Add a decent UFA or 2 in the summer and we are ok. If Ramo is the real deal, that will go a LONG way.

I didn't say we would be fighting for the cup, just that we could realistically battle for the 8th spot again but with a younger, more enthusiastic group. A group that includes players that have a lot of room for growth.

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#53 Chris Fairfield
March 23 2013, 11:50AM
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There was that ominous feeling before the actual season start when Iginla didn't agree to re-up and he said at the time that he didn't want to have contract negotiations/discussions during the season. It has now come back 10 fold to bite this organization in the ass. No passion, no drive, no heart, no accountability, and no pun intended, no more fire.

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#54 Kevin R
March 23 2013, 11:52AM
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chillout wrote:

The Iggy for Bernier rumors are not true. Who do you think has been carrying the kings this season?? Oh and trading the face of your franchise doesn't happen overnight. You don't ever take the first offer you get. The trade deadline isn't here yet so relax people. More likely to get a better return closer to the deadline with more bidders. If nothing happens when the deadline passes then you can all bitch and moan how stupid and useless the management team is. Till then calm the frick down!!

I have to agree with you. LA dont have a 2013 1st, that is pretty well mandatory if we trade our franchise player. But in all fairness, they need to go public that the decision is being made to rebuild & work out an arrangement to move Iggy to a contender. Havent we been exposed to this soap opera long enough. Maybe let us cheer Iggy in his last games here knowing he is about to be moved on to greener pastuers. Take the frustration from the loyal fans & let the speculation begin on return, maybe even turn that into excitement. The fans deserve better than this horse crap. The uncertainty is taking its toll on the other players as well & thats not fair to the players, the team & the fans. But you are right, and Duhatchek was saying on the Fan yesterday, there are not many sellers & there probably wont be either, but there will be lots of buyers. You couldnt have picked a better time to extract good value for some of your coveted assets.

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#55 Chris Fairfield
March 23 2013, 12:03PM
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T&A4Flames wrote:

Honestly Rex, I think a change in the on ice leadership would do a lot, and that isn't a shot at Iggy or Kipper etc. they have carried this team for so long and they look tired and as they go so goes the team. Its like cleaning out that basement that you've stared at for months and it wears on you unknowingly. Then one day you go to town on it and at the end you feel like a weights been lifted from you. Trades for those 2 will invigorate as much into the team as it will for Iggy and Kipper. I'm sure, like the Oilers when they traded Smyth, it will be a sting, but I think we retain enough vets to push through the next year. I don't think EDM had that.

A for what assets may help, I said it before, luck will play a big part. I've toyed with the trade proposals, mostly to the high end, not realistic possibilities, but you never know, especially in such a strange season. Add a decent UFA or 2 in the summer and we are ok. If Ramo is the real deal, that will go a LONG way.

I didn't say we would be fighting for the cup, just that we could realistically battle for the 8th spot again but with a younger, more enthusiastic group. A group that includes players that have a lot of room for growth.

I think Ramo will be the real deal as he has expressed a willingness to get another shot and has something to prove , is young and if we can swing the Iginla for Bernier deal, that would be a pretty good 1-2 punch for next year.

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#56 Monaertchi
March 23 2013, 12:08PM
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FromTSN Trade Centre

"Ansar Khan of MLIVE.com reports that Red Wings GM Ken Holland suggests he is more likely to make a trade if the Red Wings play well in their remaining games before the trade deadline.

Khan says that Detroit is in the market for a top-four defenceman and scoring help on the wing but the team won't part with any prospects or draft picks unless they feel they have a legitimate shot in the playoffs.

“We got to win some games first,'' Holland said Friday, prior to Detroit's game against Anaheim. “You don't want to throw a lot of assets at something (if) you're not sure you're going to (make) the playoffs. So we need to win some games.''"

When do we play DET next?

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#57 Colin
March 23 2013, 12:10PM
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@suba steve

It may be a tough assignment, but I'm sure Kent could handle it, look at the team that he covers, writing that article couldn't be much harder than watching the last 3 flames games.

Also yeah it's a little hard with maybe the first round pick that got traded(trade to PHX or the trade down), but still you can look at guys at where we were suppose to pick(or above and below) and give some analysis of what our current roster had the potential to look like if we didn't consistently give those picks away for mediocre rental players.

Like for example, the reason I bring it up, is that the Oilers just signed Travis Ewanyk I believe, I think Kent mentioned it on twitter and I was curious who that was, turns out its the guy that the Oilers drafted with our third round pick in the Steve Staois trade. Is that guy suddenly going to make the Oilers a playoff team, no, but still it's interesting.

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#58 jeremywilhelm
March 23 2013, 12:38PM
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Travis Ewanyk isn't interesting in the slightest. He's terrible and the Oiler wasting a contract on him is hilarious.

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#59 Jay
March 23 2013, 12:45PM
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jeremywilhelm wrote:

Travis Ewanyk isn't interesting in the slightest. He's terrible and the Oiler wasting a contract on him is hilarious.

Almost as bad as the flames wasting a contract on Cervenka

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#60 RexLibris
March 23 2013, 12:53PM
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jeremywilhelm wrote:

Travis Ewanyk isn't interesting in the slightest. He's terrible and the Oiler wasting a contract on him is hilarious.

This is based on what evidence?

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#61 RexLibris
March 23 2013, 12:57PM
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@T&A4Flames

That is a fair point. I'm not sold that leadership is entirely to blame, but heaven knows that it has been an Achilles' Heel for the roster since the Darryl Sutter coaching days.

One thing I should point out though, right after the Oilers traded Smyth they went something like 2-19 over the remainder of the season, tanking all the way down to 25th overall and just missing out on the draft slot that won the Patrick Kane lottery.

I would not be the least bit surprised if the Flames had a bit of a resurgence once Iginla was dealt. As you say, there may now be a significant weight lifted off their collective shoulders.

I think Ramo has to be the real deal for the club to survive next season. Even at that, the defense would need to improve significantly as well, especially if they subtract Bouwmeester this season or summer.

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#62 Bruins
March 23 2013, 01:20PM
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On fan 960 last night a season a ticket holder called in and said that at the annual season ticket holders luncheon mr arrogance (king) said that they are raising ticket prices next season. Glad I dumped my tIckets years ago. Wouldn't pay a cent to watch the current flames.

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#63 backburner
March 23 2013, 01:22PM
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One thing that isn't being discussed a whole lot on here, that I think should probably be Feaster's number one priority is dumping some bad contracts.. either through waivers, buyouts, demotions, trades whatever.

If Calgary got rid of Sarich, Babchuck, and Stajan's contracts, that would free up 8 million in cap space..

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#64 Kent Wilson
March 23 2013, 01:32PM
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Colin wrote:

If Kent is still reading through this post, an idea for a future article. A lot has been made of the Flames woes because of poor drafting and not drafting enough. I'm curious if this holds true in that if we held onto all those draft picks we traded/lost what would those draft picks become(plus or minus 10 picks or so, like who could we have drafted in the the 10 picks above or below where we should have drafted) and would those draft picks become NHLers?

Like if we held onto all the players we drafted or signed as Free agents, we could have Fowler, Phanuef, Giordano and Brodie on D right now.

Could be done, but is more of an off-season project. Flames will have a long off-season, though, so we'll see.

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#65 Harry Crack
March 23 2013, 01:32PM
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Chris Fairfield wrote:

It is true, Kipper is slower in his reaction time, due to the lingering effects of the knee injury as well as his age. On one of the goals in the Nashville game, Kiprusoff barely stuck out his glove, and the puck was already by him. A few years back, he would have been battling for position and that puck would be in his glove. As for King and Edwards finding reality, Nope, and the Jarome for Bernier deal, Hell Yeah!

I couldn't agree more Chris. It is so sad to see our once amazing goalie look so pedestrian all of a sudden. On the 2nd CBJ goal he was down on the ice for no reason whatsoever ? Notice how many goals are going in high ? The scouting reports must be that Kip is down a lot , shoot high. I interpret down a lot as no longer being able to count on that lightning fast refelx and react time. The Flames have been bad in many areas , but in goal for at least half the games we have had the equivalent of a wet paper bag in net.

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#66 Kevin R
March 23 2013, 01:50PM
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I couldn't agree more Chris. It is so sad to see our once amazing goalie look so pedestrian all of a sudden. On the 2nd CBJ goal he was down on the ice for no reason whatsoever ? Notice how many goals are going in high ? The scouting reports must be that Kip is down a lot , shoot high. I interpret down a lot as no longer being able to count on that lightning fast refelx and react time. The Flames have been bad in many areas , but in goal for at least half the games we have had the equivalent of a wet paper bag in net.

I believe it was the Minny game where we were watching Kipper & he doesnt look fully healed & I would think his conditioning was what it usually was. He had trouble getting back to his feet on many occasions. Word out there was he was disappointed when they settled the strike. Unless we get a decent offer, Kipper is not a priority to move this year & I would almost bet he'll be better next year & better prepared. Some are questioning Hartley. I still think he gets a pass. Lockout shortened year, getting acquainted with what he has to work with first hand, minimal training camp, many players not in the condition they normally would be in, level/urgency of games being played right out of the gate. Lets call this year a redo.

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#67 Bean-counting cowboy
March 23 2013, 01:55PM
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Just curious if any of you regular FN readers have ever got onto overtime with Pat?

In the past I have sat and listened to some of these callers and thought 'no wonder King can keeping selling this steaming pile of %#$@' to the fans. Its seemed in the past that half the fan base has no clue. But what I've really noticed lately is a growing appetitie for change amongst even casual fans realizing Iggy has to go and other systemic issues need change. Ownership has to see this.

I wanted to call in so bad last night and subtly discuss advanced analytics but not in those terms. Keeping most of my references to "driving the play in the right direction" and "quality of competition" vs. "corsi" or other 'scary' terms. I wanted to sound off on what proper management and hockey decisions would look like at this time given their current situation.

I just think if some readers here could get on the air that had some hockey knowledge, maybe that message would start to make its way upstairs.

Probably wishful thinking, I know.

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#68 Harry Crack
March 23 2013, 01:56PM
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Kevin R wrote:

I believe it was the Minny game where we were watching Kipper & he doesnt look fully healed & I would think his conditioning was what it usually was. He had trouble getting back to his feet on many occasions. Word out there was he was disappointed when they settled the strike. Unless we get a decent offer, Kipper is not a priority to move this year & I would almost bet he'll be better next year & better prepared. Some are questioning Hartley. I still think he gets a pass. Lockout shortened year, getting acquainted with what he has to work with first hand, minimal training camp, many players not in the condition they normally would be in, level/urgency of games being played right out of the gate. Lets call this year a redo.

I agree with you about Hartley Kevin. I forget the guys name , but i also really want to see the Flames Goalie prospect that plays in the KHL right now.Kipper prior to this year has hid many weaknesses here. Not anymore.

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#69 negrilcowboy
March 23 2013, 02:12PM
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Bean-counting cowboy wrote:

Just curious if any of you regular FN readers have ever got onto overtime with Pat?

In the past I have sat and listened to some of these callers and thought 'no wonder King can keeping selling this steaming pile of %#$@' to the fans. Its seemed in the past that half the fan base has no clue. But what I've really noticed lately is a growing appetitie for change amongst even casual fans realizing Iggy has to go and other systemic issues need change. Ownership has to see this.

I wanted to call in so bad last night and subtly discuss advanced analytics but not in those terms. Keeping most of my references to "driving the play in the right direction" and "quality of competition" vs. "corsi" or other 'scary' terms. I wanted to sound off on what proper management and hockey decisions would look like at this time given their current situation.

I just think if some readers here could get on the air that had some hockey knowledge, maybe that message would start to make its way upstairs.

Probably wishful thinking, I know.

Your veiw would be very refreshing, however not as entertaining as Robert.

I am very interested in any Flyin J Feasta sightings of late. Seems he vanished after Oreilygate, unless he is camped out in Russia or elsewhere discovering the newest best player/goalie/draftee not currently in the NHL. That or he is Edward's new stable boy, its a talent came by naturally considering the volume of horsechit he spews to the fanbase.

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#70 Chris Fairfield
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I agree with you about Hartley Kevin. I forget the guys name , but i also really want to see the Flames Goalie prospect that plays in the KHL right now.Kipper prior to this year has hid many weaknesses here. Not anymore.

You are right Kevin, there has been more frequency with Kipper going down into the butterfly and the long amount of time that he is taking to get up is clearly noticeable. The goalie that you are trying to think of is Kari Ramo and his contract with Avangard Omsk in the KHL expires April 30.

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#71 jeremywilhelm
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Based on the evidence that the kid was drafted in the third round and put up 23 points on a powerhouse team in the WHL as a 19 year old. He's a plug. There was no reason to draft him in the third and there is definitely no reason to give him an NHL contract.

To put it into perspective. Turner Elson, a similar type of player on a much weaker team, put up better points in his 18 and 19 year old team and was never drafted (and rightfully so).

The Flames have similarity wasted a contract on him, but at least he has shown that he is a hockey player and not a penalty minute goof.

Drafting these players in the third is like taking a lottery ticket and ripping off half the numbers and throwing them in the trash. A waste.

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#72 jeremywilhelm
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What's wrong with Cervenka? He is exactly what we thought he would be. Or at least, exactly what an intelligent hockey fan thought he would be.

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#73 Harry Crack
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You are right Kevin, there has been more frequency with Kipper going down into the butterfly and the long amount of time that he is taking to get up is clearly noticeable. The goalie that you are trying to think of is Kari Ramo and his contract with Avangard Omsk in the KHL expires April 30.

Kari Romo...Thanks.....March 30th would have been nicer to read though ;-)

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#74 RexLibris
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I don't think the points tell the whole story on Ewanyk. I know that Jonathan Willis is skeptical about the signing and Bruce McCurdy has some reservation, but given that he could (and may be encouraged to) return to the Oil Kings as an overager I don't see this as a waste of a contract.

Ewanyk has essentially been deployed as the shutdown centre for the Kings in his last two and change seasons. The low GA for the team is partially a reflection of his abilities in that department, in addition to the rest of his teammates.

If his ceiling is merely a better-skating upgrade on Chris Vande Velde, then at the very least, and given the top-six talent the Oilers currently have, he may yet prove a useful asset for a team needing bottom-six depth.

There seems to be this perception that later-round picks that don't outwardly appear to be homerun picks a year or two later aren't worth retaining. Organizational depth requires internal development. The challenges and subsequent weaknesses exposed by both Alberta teams this season should act as proof of this.

Kris Draper was drafted in the 3rd round (62nd) by Winnipeg and managed a meager .5 ppg over 122 games with the Canadian National team. His NHL totals were below even that threshold, yet what he provided to the roster was a complementary role that was crucial to the Detroit roster. Winnipeg traded him for a dollar.

Ewanyk is not Draper. But as has been mentioned here before, if you never try to draft and develop these players then you may never find one.

I would argue that the value of developing these players internally is routinely underestimated.

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#75 Chris Fairfield
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What's wrong with Cervenka? He is exactly what we thought he would be. Or at least, exactly what an intelligent hockey fan thought he would be.

More smoke and mirrors by King and Co.

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You are a homebuyer, and you decided to buy a house in a very limited market. The only house available has had an interesting history but the last two decades havent been kind. The previous owners have tried a littany of "quick fixes", new paint, new carpet, some tile here and there, but the cracks and rot that the paint, carpet and tile were hiding are growing and can no longer be hidden by "cosmetic" changes. You buy the house, knowing it needs some "fixing up" so what is the logical thing to do?

Take out a second mortgage, call Holmes on Homes and strip it to the original frame and rebuild.

Common sense.

So with the state of the Flames for almost that long, why is everyone looking at trades and free agents.....those have been done.

The place to look. Your own roster. 3, count them, 3 home grown drafted Flames players have played for the Flames this year, and that is including Baerschti. As a comparison, the Oilers have had 15 different draft picks play part or all of the season with the big club.

Chicago has had 12 of their draft picks play with the club this year.

Pittsburgh has had 13 of their draft picks play with the club this year.

To me, an outsider, this is the whole root of the problem and the reason why it cant be a quick fix.

I know that Flames fans like to hype their picks (Johnny hockey et al) but they are still rated 28th by THN and 29th by HockeyProspectus.

Fire every scout you have. Go and plunder other clubs and overpay for their best scouts (not their old free agents). Start using your picks wisely, and building a foundation of talent in all positions.

Hire a pro scout to watch each and every AHL team and try to steal under the radar players from other teams in minor league deals.

This is just a dumb old soldier talking, and I know it wont happen, which is a shame, because I may have grown up a Oiler fan, I am also a BOA fan and I was posted in Calgary for 10 years and force fed the Flames in the 80's and 90's and learned not to "hate" them too much.

Good Luck Flames.

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One thing that isn't being discussed a whole lot on here, that I think should probably be Feaster's number one priority is dumping some bad contracts.. either through waivers, buyouts, demotions, trades whatever.

If Calgary got rid of Sarich, Babchuck, and Stajan's contracts, that would free up 8 million in cap space..

Totally agree with you on Sarich and Babchuck, but Stajan's been arguably the team's best centre this season. Also if you get rid of him, that leaves us with only one legit top-9 centre on the roster (Backlund). So while Stajan was certainly overpaid relative to performance for most of his current contract, I really don't think it makes any sense to get rid of him now that he's finally playing well.

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Talk about wasting entry level contracts.... Passing on signing Joey Leach because we used up a contract on a mediocre free agents like David Eddy and above mentioned Turner Elson. I heard Kootenay's coach talking the other day on Shaw and he was baffled that we didn't sign Leach. The NCAA College Free Agent Frenzy is so overrated its rediculous!!! Since 2006 only Andy Green, Teddy Purcell, Tyler Bozak, Matt Read and Cory Conacher have become anything more than depth players. I'm certain we will waste another contract again this season on an NCAA Free Agent.

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You are a homebuyer, and you decided to buy a house in a very limited market. The only house available has had an interesting history but the last two decades havent been kind. The previous owners have tried a littany of "quick fixes", new paint, new carpet, some tile here and there, but the cracks and rot that the paint, carpet and tile were hiding are growing and can no longer be hidden by "cosmetic" changes. You buy the house, knowing it needs some "fixing up" so what is the logical thing to do?

Take out a second mortgage, call Holmes on Homes and strip it to the original frame and rebuild.

Common sense.

So with the state of the Flames for almost that long, why is everyone looking at trades and free agents.....those have been done.

The place to look. Your own roster. 3, count them, 3 home grown drafted Flames players have played for the Flames this year, and that is including Baerschti. As a comparison, the Oilers have had 15 different draft picks play part or all of the season with the big club.

Chicago has had 12 of their draft picks play with the club this year.

Pittsburgh has had 13 of their draft picks play with the club this year.

To me, an outsider, this is the whole root of the problem and the reason why it cant be a quick fix.

I know that Flames fans like to hype their picks (Johnny hockey et al) but they are still rated 28th by THN and 29th by HockeyProspectus.

Fire every scout you have. Go and plunder other clubs and overpay for their best scouts (not their old free agents). Start using your picks wisely, and building a foundation of talent in all positions.

Hire a pro scout to watch each and every AHL team and try to steal under the radar players from other teams in minor league deals.

This is just a dumb old soldier talking, and I know it wont happen, which is a shame, because I may have grown up a Oiler fan, I am also a BOA fan and I was posted in Calgary for 10 years and force fed the Flames in the 80's and 90's and learned not to "hate" them too much.

Good Luck Flames.

Fully Agree and a topic that I have been harping on for the last 3 years. The is no salary cap on the scouting department or upper management. Napalm the entire Flames Scouting Dept. In all honesty what have they really reaped...can it get any more incompetent? The Flames are a Cap Team and what is there to show for it? Is there a more incompetent, heartless group in all of pro sports that is a cap ceiling team? 3 random bloggers from this site could get as much or more production from an NHL roster if given a 60+million dollar budget...napalm the entire upper management team. Seriously, the group in place has led us to today, it is absolute madness to think that they are going to get us out of it. If the Flames Ownership Group has even an ounce of integrity then pink slips should be flowing at the Dome this coming offseason...anything less is a middle finger salute to the fan base and more importantly the season ticket holders.

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#81 Harry Crack
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Old Soldier wrote:

You are a homebuyer, and you decided to buy a house in a very limited market. The only house available has had an interesting history but the last two decades havent been kind. The previous owners have tried a littany of "quick fixes", new paint, new carpet, some tile here and there, but the cracks and rot that the paint, carpet and tile were hiding are growing and can no longer be hidden by "cosmetic" changes. You buy the house, knowing it needs some "fixing up" so what is the logical thing to do?

Take out a second mortgage, call Holmes on Homes and strip it to the original frame and rebuild.

Common sense.

So with the state of the Flames for almost that long, why is everyone looking at trades and free agents.....those have been done.

The place to look. Your own roster. 3, count them, 3 home grown drafted Flames players have played for the Flames this year, and that is including Baerschti. As a comparison, the Oilers have had 15 different draft picks play part or all of the season with the big club.

Chicago has had 12 of their draft picks play with the club this year.

Pittsburgh has had 13 of their draft picks play with the club this year.

To me, an outsider, this is the whole root of the problem and the reason why it cant be a quick fix.

I know that Flames fans like to hype their picks (Johnny hockey et al) but they are still rated 28th by THN and 29th by HockeyProspectus.

Fire every scout you have. Go and plunder other clubs and overpay for their best scouts (not their old free agents). Start using your picks wisely, and building a foundation of talent in all positions.

Hire a pro scout to watch each and every AHL team and try to steal under the radar players from other teams in minor league deals.

This is just a dumb old soldier talking, and I know it wont happen, which is a shame, because I may have grown up a Oiler fan, I am also a BOA fan and I was posted in Calgary for 10 years and force fed the Flames in the 80's and 90's and learned not to "hate" them too much.

Good Luck Flames.

Excellent points . An old adage goes that if your Farm system is weak , your Team is waiting to be weak. We are still feeling the effects of Duhryl's extreme incompetence as a GM. Awesome coach , horrific executive.

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#82 Jeff In Lethbridge
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Trading Iginla...

So, certain sports commentators are suggesting Iginla has given a list of a handful of teams...

My thoughts - as strange as this sounds, I believe there is a good chance the flames do BETTER after trading Iginla - just because there is always that lingering feeling by those left behind to "prove" Something. all of a sudden the room changes, and the resulting flux just may lead to a temporary improvement in play.

the sooner the better for everyone involved.

Go get yer cup Iggy - you deserve it, and we'll save you your spot in Calgary for as long as you need.

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#83 Kurt
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Honestly Rex, I think a change in the on ice leadership would do a lot, and that isn't a shot at Iggy or Kipper etc. they have carried this team for so long and they look tired and as they go so goes the team. Its like cleaning out that basement that you've stared at for months and it wears on you unknowingly. Then one day you go to town on it and at the end you feel like a weights been lifted from you. Trades for those 2 will invigorate as much into the team as it will for Iggy and Kipper. I'm sure, like the Oilers when they traded Smyth, it will be a sting, but I think we retain enough vets to push through the next year. I don't think EDM had that.

A for what assets may help, I said it before, luck will play a big part. I've toyed with the trade proposals, mostly to the high end, not realistic possibilities, but you never know, especially in such a strange season. Add a decent UFA or 2 in the summer and we are ok. If Ramo is the real deal, that will go a LONG way.

I didn't say we would be fighting for the cup, just that we could realistically battle for the 8th spot again but with a younger, more enthusiastic group. A group that includes players that have a lot of room for growth.

Is that really what anyone wants? Getting back quickly to being a perennial bubble team?? I'd way rather take a few years to rebuild properly and shoot to win a cup and be a powerhouse. But for some reason most fans are hellbent on a quick retool and getting back to being a team that is good but not great, struggling to get into the dance each year and then praying for lightning in a bottle.... Sigh

St. Louis, Chicago, LA - the powerhouses of the west took many years of methodical piece by piece building thy started with elite high draft picks.

Like Rex pointed out, trying to say you are going to do an Ottawa or Montreal retool is completely flawed. These teams had ELITE talent in place already (price, subban, Karlsson, spezza, Anderson). They weren't retooling with an empty cupboard from ground zero.

Toronto is probably a good example of trying to quickly rebuild. Now they are an average team, fighting for a playoff spot who are going to get run over by Pittsburgh and their team of superstars thy was built slowly from 2002-2007

It seems like that's why fans want... Personally I am willing to endure 2-3 years of pain so the Oilers don't run our show for the next decade.

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#84 RexLibris
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As a quick note, when the Oilers started their rebuild Lowe was asked how long he thought it might take. He suggested somewhere between 5 and 7 years from the bottom to the "finished product" that would hopefully sit at or near the top of the Western Conference.

The Flames are likely to take at least three years. I'd wager five.

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#85 Harry Crack
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As a quick note, when the Oilers started their rebuild Lowe was asked how long he thought it might take. He suggested somewhere between 5 and 7 years from the bottom to the "finished product" that would hopefully sit at or near the top of the Western Conference.

The Flames are likely to take at least three years. I'd wager five.

The Oilers are on schedule. They will be a Force for the next 7-8 years. How are we gonna be a force if we never start actually reconstructing? Do we want to be Chicago or Pittsburgh , or Edmonton ( all full rebuilds) or just be perennial "just abouts"?

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#86 RexLibris
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The Oilers are still facing some very serious roster problems. The defence, top 4/5 of 6, and goaltending are coming along, but they need size and some stronger supporting players. Okay, any supporting players.

They have options internally, but years away.

As for the Flames, agreed. But most fans seem to vehemently deny its necessity. It is fine to cite the ability of other teams' management groups as evidence that smart, long-term trades are a possible, but for this management group?

I'm not even certain that the scouting and development departments are necessarily up to the task of a successful rebuild. You have to hit not just on your 1st, but your 2nd, 3rd and so on down the line. The loss of the Flames' 2nd this year is really going to hurt that process.

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#87 Harry Crack
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The Oilers are still facing some very serious roster problems. The defence, top 4/5 of 6, and goaltending are coming along, but they need size and some stronger supporting players. Okay, any supporting players.

They have options internally, but years away.

As for the Flames, agreed. But most fans seem to vehemently deny its necessity. It is fine to cite the ability of other teams' management groups as evidence that smart, long-term trades are a possible, but for this management group?

I'm not even certain that the scouting and development departments are necessarily up to the task of a successful rebuild. You have to hit not just on your 1st, but your 2nd, 3rd and so on down the line. The loss of the Flames' 2nd this year is really going to hurt that process.

I hear you 100 percent Rex !! Based on what past performance are we as Flames Lemmings supposed to believe that anyone in the Flames Scouting chain can handle the true and imminent nature of their task now ??? GM Duhryl put zero value on "planting the garden" how the heck should we expect fruit now ?

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John Davidson was available in the summer. Calgary ignored the slam dunk opportunity. He went to Columbus. Only appropriate that the Jackets drive the nail in our coffin on their rise back to respectability. Nobody from Edwards on down deserves to stay in their position to guide the Flames back to the light. We missed a big chance this summer.

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One thing that isn't being discussed a whole lot on here, that I think should probably be Feaster's number one priority is dumping some bad contracts.. either through waivers, buyouts, demotions, trades whatever.

If Calgary got rid of Sarich, Babchuck, and Stajan's contracts, that would free up 8 million in cap space..

The thing is... Feaster created two of the three contracts you want to dump.

I say we dump Feaster. Dump his contract.

@Derzie

"John Davidson was available in the summer. Calgary ignored the slam dunk opportunity. He went to Columbus. Only appropriate that the Jackets drive the nail in our coffin on their rise back to respectability. Nobody from Edwards on down deserves to stay in their position to guide the Flames back to the light. We missed a big chance this summer"

Spot on.

@Old Soldier

"Fire every scout you have. Go and plunder other clubs and overpay for their best scouts (not their old free agents). Start using your picks wisely, and building a foundation of talent in all positions.

Hire a pro scout to watch each and every AHL team and try to steal under the radar players from other teams in minor league deals."

Would be a good idea, if we had a good GM.

Davidson was available, and we did nothing. Now the Jackets are moving up. I brought up Jason Botterill a few times here, as my pick for GM over Feaster. We have Feaster. He can't continue to survive off Darryl Sutter's mistakes. No more. Feaster built this team. He re-signed Babchuk. Sarich. Brought in Cervenka, who's a bust. McGrattan, who's a waste of salary. What has he done here? Nothing. Unless you count last season "steal" off the waiver wire, Blair Jones.

We need to blow it up and suffer for a few years. It can be done in a much better way than the Oilers, but at least their fans have hope. We have none. The demolition starts with the GM and everyone he's brought in here. Hartley says, "If I knew what the problems were, they'd be easily fixed." What does that mean?

I think we are worse than last season, because of Feaster, whose given us an expansion roster. And there's no proof his picks will pan out in the NHL. The Jankowski pick may still go down as one of the worst in club history.

We need so much. We have so little direction. Haven't we all seen this here before, for years?

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#90 jeremywilhelm
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I don't think the points tell the whole story on Ewanyk. I know that Jonathan Willis is skeptical about the signing and Bruce McCurdy has some reservation, but given that he could (and may be encouraged to) return to the Oil Kings as an overager I don't see this as a waste of a contract.

Ewanyk has essentially been deployed as the shutdown centre for the Kings in his last two and change seasons. The low GA for the team is partially a reflection of his abilities in that department, in addition to the rest of his teammates.

If his ceiling is merely a better-skating upgrade on Chris Vande Velde, then at the very least, and given the top-six talent the Oilers currently have, he may yet prove a useful asset for a team needing bottom-six depth.

There seems to be this perception that later-round picks that don't outwardly appear to be homerun picks a year or two later aren't worth retaining. Organizational depth requires internal development. The challenges and subsequent weaknesses exposed by both Alberta teams this season should act as proof of this.

Kris Draper was drafted in the 3rd round (62nd) by Winnipeg and managed a meager .5 ppg over 122 games with the Canadian National team. His NHL totals were below even that threshold, yet what he provided to the roster was a complementary role that was crucial to the Detroit roster. Winnipeg traded him for a dollar.

Ewanyk is not Draper. But as has been mentioned here before, if you never try to draft and develop these players then you may never find one.

I would argue that the value of developing these players internally is routinely underestimated.

This post is hilarious. If only because you a) try to compare Ewanyk to a player who played for the Canadian national league team (ps. draper put up 61 points in 39 games in the dub at 19, I consider this comparable to be laughable at best) over 20 years ago. And b) believe wasting a 3rd round pick on a better skating Chris Van de Velde to be a worthwhile endeavour. Which I don't believe he even could be. At least Vande Velde could play some hockey at the NCAA level.

Ewanyk is a plugger, a WHL pest, he is no shut down center, and if you believe he is, I question that you have ever watched the Oil Kings play. He's a terrible hockey player and a worse prospect. Wasting a contract spot on a kid who's career is taylor made for ECHL goonery is why I call it laughable and a hilarious waste. And no reason to lament this being our third round pick we traded away.

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#91 suba steve
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We've heard recently that there have been pro scouts from other teams at Flame games with interest in Iggy, etc. Does anyone have any info on where the Flame scouts have been spending their time over the past several weeks?

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#92 Jeff In Lethbridge
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As a quick note, when the Oilers started their rebuild Lowe was asked how long he thought it might take. He suggested somewhere between 5 and 7 years from the bottom to the "finished product" that would hopefully sit at or near the top of the Western Conference.

The Flames are likely to take at least three years. I'd wager five.

when exactly did the Oilers start their rebuild? what move/moves signaled a rebuild?

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#93 Jeff In Lethbridge
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Is that really what anyone wants? Getting back quickly to being a perennial bubble team?? I'd way rather take a few years to rebuild properly and shoot to win a cup and be a powerhouse. But for some reason most fans are hellbent on a quick retool and getting back to being a team that is good but not great, struggling to get into the dance each year and then praying for lightning in a bottle.... Sigh

St. Louis, Chicago, LA - the powerhouses of the west took many years of methodical piece by piece building thy started with elite high draft picks.

Like Rex pointed out, trying to say you are going to do an Ottawa or Montreal retool is completely flawed. These teams had ELITE talent in place already (price, subban, Karlsson, spezza, Anderson). They weren't retooling with an empty cupboard from ground zero.

Toronto is probably a good example of trying to quickly rebuild. Now they are an average team, fighting for a playoff spot who are going to get run over by Pittsburgh and their team of superstars thy was built slowly from 2002-2007

It seems like that's why fans want... Personally I am willing to endure 2-3 years of pain so the Oilers don't run our show for the next decade.

2 to 3 years of pain? so you are a proponent of retooling on the fly with tinkering? because, if the Flames sell off their six best (i.e. complete rebuild) then i am pretty sure you can expect a lot more then three years of 'pain'. for evidence, just look at the joke up north! what are they at, 8 years of 'pain' and counting?

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#94 Jeff In Lethbridge
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let's just admit it; we're all in a pissy mood.

:-P

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#95 Blitz
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Derzie, you hit the nail on the head. I've had a massive respect for Davidson for years now and have seen him work hard, diligently, and with fervor and passion.. oh and he's an actual hockey guy who knows the game and thinks the game. I was pretty choked we didn't snap him up.

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#96 RexLibris
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We'll have to agree to disagree.

I get out to about a half a dozen Oil Kings games a year. Fewer this year. By no means to I consider my viewings to be on par with what a professional amateur scout can surmise.

I did include the caveat that Ewanyk is not Kris Draper. And I have always thought that Max Reinhart, the player chosen with the Flames optional pick in that Staios/Johnson trade, to be a better prospect.

As for describing him as a goon and "taylor [sic] made" for the ECHL, I am beginning to question which of us has the looser grasp on reality.

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#97 jeremywilhelm
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http://www.coppernblue.com/2013/3/22/4136390/oilers-sign-milan-errr-travis-ewanyk

http://oilersnation.com/2013/3/22/the-edmonton-oilers-sign-travis-ewanyk

I'll just leave those two articles. Both disagreeing with the signing, even if the second one tries its best to paint a Rosey picture.

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#98 Chris Fairfield
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Derzie, you hit the nail on the head. I've had a massive respect for Davidson for years now and have seen him work hard, diligently, and with fervor and passion.. oh and he's an actual hockey guy who knows the game and thinks the game. I was pretty choked we didn't snap him up.

Davidson at the time, even admitted that he would "love an opportunity" in Western Canada, definitely an opportunity lost.

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#99 RexLibris
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It began with ownership (Katz) in December of 2009. Tambellini used the term, and began some of the contract moves in January of 2010.

Player trades like Grebeshkov and Staios for picks were the signals. Vishnovsky was traded out for Whitney and a pick, getting younger and cheaper. So on and so forth.

I wrote a recap of the rebuild last year: http://oilersnation.com/2012/9/12/on-rebuilding-part-nine-the-edmonton-oilers

If you want to get an idea of the factors that had to go into a perennial also-ran team trying everything just to make itself relevant finally realizing that they needed to do something different, then this is probably a good source.

So from approximately midway through the 2009-2010 season to today, we have essentially four years.

In year four of the most traditional rebuilds (Pittsburgh, Chicago, etx) you generally have a small improvement in the standings, an improvement in special teams or defensive awareness with a corresponding improvement in goal differential, and the clear establishment of the new core in place of the veterans.

The Oilers are lagging in their defensive development and goal differential this season, and to some extent their place in the standings, although this season is hardly a fair barometer in that regard. The rest of the process is coming along more or less as I would expect for a team facing their shortcomings.

The next stages are crucial and often separate the teams that succeed in rebuilding and those that are mired in perpetual losing.

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#100 Kurt
March 24 2013, 09:51AM
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Jeff In Lethbridge wrote:

2 to 3 years of pain? so you are a proponent of retooling on the fly with tinkering? because, if the Flames sell off their six best (i.e. complete rebuild) then i am pretty sure you can expect a lot more then three years of 'pain'. for evidence, just look at the joke up north! what are they at, 8 years of 'pain' and counting?

Much like us Edmonton was in denial and not rebuilding for a few years of suck... So their rebuild started in 2009 making this the third year. Taylor hall was the year they traded away all vets and brought in transition players to fill in for a few years while they build.

You can't say its 8 years, otherwise you'd have to say our rebuild is already 4 years in.

I predict next year the oilers are decent/good. So that's 3 years of pure a$$ followed by 2 years of playoff bubbling followed by powerhouse for 5 years. Oilers are on track. If we start now we can be where they are now in 3 years.

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