Jarome Iginla Traded to the Pittsburgh Penguins

Kent Wilson
March 27 2013 10:37PM

 


 

As has been speculated all night, Aaron Ward of TSN recently confirmed the Flames long time captain has been traded to the Bruins. The assumed return is Alex Khokhlachev, Matt Bartkowski and a first round pick. We will update with further confirmation and other news as it breaks.

For Kenneth AgostinoBen Hanowski and a first round pick.

Good luck in Pittsburgh Jarome. And thank you for everything. Go win that cup.

More to come...

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#251 negrilcowboy
March 28 2013, 05:33AM
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this is a nightmare, feaster you have to be an idiot. terrible terrible deal. iggy for a 30 th pick.

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#252 non descript
March 28 2013, 05:44AM
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hanowski had some huge numbers in his draft year. maybe he will have chemistry with jankowski since they both lit high school up. seriously, this is funny on many different levels. i am looking forward to more feaster gold.

and yes, i know, the oilers suck and tambellini is an idiot.

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#253 the-wolf
March 28 2013, 06:37AM
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Feaster and Weisbrod go with U.S. college players? Shocking.

What did I say? Quality, not quantity. 1 good prospect straight up. I refuse to believe that the Pens would not have made this deal for Maata or Pouliott if that had been the only piece asked for. Dallas got Morrow for Morrow after all.

That said, glad it's over and hope he doesn't come back. This team was never going to make meaningful changes until Iginla was gone. As long as Iginla was here, it was 'win now.' If he comes back it will be more of the same.

And consistent play and leadership have been sorely lacking for the last 5 years. Now that he has a chance to win a Cup you will see a different Iginla. Shortened season, playing on the Pens, he must know this is his last, best chance for a Cup. I fully expect him to revert to playing like a bull and lighting it up in the playoffs and scoring some big goals. But that was never going to happen here.

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#254 ChinookArch
March 28 2013, 07:33AM
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I slept on it, and gave it time. Guess what - Feaster was robbed. Terrible trade.

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#255 icedawg_42
March 28 2013, 07:33AM
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the-wolf wrote:

Feaster and Weisbrod go with U.S. college players? Shocking.

What did I say? Quality, not quantity. 1 good prospect straight up. I refuse to believe that the Pens would not have made this deal for Maata or Pouliott if that had been the only piece asked for. Dallas got Morrow for Morrow after all.

That said, glad it's over and hope he doesn't come back. This team was never going to make meaningful changes until Iginla was gone. As long as Iginla was here, it was 'win now.' If he comes back it will be more of the same.

And consistent play and leadership have been sorely lacking for the last 5 years. Now that he has a chance to win a Cup you will see a different Iginla. Shortened season, playing on the Pens, he must know this is his last, best chance for a Cup. I fully expect him to revert to playing like a bull and lighting it up in the playoffs and scoring some big goals. But that was never going to happen here.

Are you kidding? I love this. The FLAMES are now going to run a freakin' DYNASTY in the Frozen Four. The FLAMES are now the BEST team in the NCAA!

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#256 Subversive
March 28 2013, 07:40AM
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Agreed that they needed to make the change regardless at this point. Sure underwhelmed by the return though.

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#257 the-wolf
March 28 2013, 07:41AM
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icedawg_42 wrote:

Are you kidding? I love this. The FLAMES are now going to run a freakin' DYNASTY in the Frozen Four. The FLAMES are now the BEST team in the NCAA!

HAR!

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#258 negrilcowboy
March 28 2013, 07:57AM
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the-wolf wrote:

HAR!

the flames couldn't beat a team of beauty school dropouts. gawd you trade a hall of famer for 2 short order cooks.feaster more like fleasya

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#259 the-wolf
March 28 2013, 07:57AM
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http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/ken_agostino/

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#260 the-wolf
March 28 2013, 08:00AM
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http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/ben_hanowski/

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#261 the-wolf
March 28 2013, 08:09AM
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from hockey's future:

"Further down the depth chart are NCAA forwards Ken Agostino, Ben Hanowski, and Scott Wilson, all of whom produced better than a point-per-game in 2011-12. At 22 years old, Hanowski is the most established of the three. He is currently playing his senior season with St. Cloud State and will likely be inked to an entry-level deal when his college career is over. Hanowski is foremost a goal-scorer, but he also possesses good size and is a capable puck-distributor. He is particularly adept at creating offensive on the powerplay. Hanowski suffered a head injury on October 27th and missed over three weeks as a result. He returned from the injury on November 23rd.

Now in his junior season with Yale is forward Ken Agostino. Drafted out of Delbarton High School in the fifth round of the 2010 draft, Agostino has been one of the top offensive producers for Yale and possesses an intangible quality that has made him a winner wherever he has gone. He plays a skill based game but is a hard worker, tough in the corners, and not afraid to play physically. Agostino is not particularly tall for a hockey player, standing at about 5'11, but possesses a wide, strong base which allows him to effectively protect the puck."

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#262 the-wolf
March 28 2013, 08:12AM
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Some scouting reports seem very positive. Others are emphatic that these guys are 2nd/3rd line types (so perfect for the Flames then!) and weren't in the Pens top 10 prospect list.

Good news on that is the Pens propsect list is very deep.

Seems highly likely from reports that Iginla nixed the Bruins trade and essentially forced the Flames' hand in trading with Pens.

That's what happens when you wait until the last minute.

Still, right now I see some upside on these guys.

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#263 suba steve
March 28 2013, 08:17AM
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I'd like to know if the PITT deal got sweetened after the reports that Iggy and the BOS prospects were sitting tonight.

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#264 Fotiu's Ghost
March 28 2013, 08:24AM
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A note on the prospects from the Pittsburgh Tribune:

>> I’ve asked our beat man Josh Yohe to summarize the prospects the Penguins gave up, and he emailed this back to share with you: “Hard to explain how little the Penguins gave up for Iginla. These are not elite prospects. Not even close.”

Josh also wrote up these capsules:

Kenny Augustino, 5th round pick in 2010: A skilled forward who the Penguins thought might someday have a chance to play in the NHL. Scored 15 goals at Yale last season. Penguins liked him, didn’t love him, and never considered him to be anything resembling an elite prospect.

Ben Hanowski, 3rd round pick in 2009 draft: Numbers regressed noticeably during his senior year at St. Cloud State this season. Most goals he ever scored in a college season was 23. Has 16 this season. Penguins viewed him as a reasonably talented power forward prospect. Big kid at 6-2, 210. But, like D’Augustino, was not considered an adequate prospect, but absolutely not an elite one.

>> Cutting through it all: Neither of these two prospects ranked among the Penguins’ internal top 10. No kidding.

And a first-round Pittsburgh pick will be somewhere between No. 28-30.

Shero basically acquired a Hall of Famer for nothing.

LINK: http://blog.triblive.com/dejan-kovacevic/2013/03/28/thursday-wakeup-call-scratch-iginla-off-list/

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#265 ChinookArch
March 28 2013, 08:27AM
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@suba steve

Steve,

It appears that Pitt was prepared to walk away on Iginla, and Calgary recieved the maximum that Shero was willing to pay.

They played it right, and understood that Iginal was likely going to choose the Pens, if given the option. All that Shero had to do was pay the bear minimum 3 players (and not even a player, prospect, and a pick). The Wolf was right in an earlier post, quantity, not quality is what the Flames recieved. I hope we get lucky on just one of these players.

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#266 Michael
March 28 2013, 08:34AM
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You can't rebuild unless you have something to rebuild around. We basically received two no name prospects (one a 3rd round and 5th round pick) and a late first round draft pick (which could well be 28-29-30). We receive nothing back to build around, a dismal failure for Feaster.

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#267 suba steve
March 28 2013, 08:35AM
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Yes, it's obvious that these prospects are not elite. However, the 30th pick in the 2013 draft is not "nothing". On the one hand you have Rex condemning Feaster for giving up our 2nd in 2013 in the Cammi trade because it was going to be so high, then we have Fotiu's Ghost claiming Pit 1st is "nothing". Sure it could amount to nothing in the end, or it could be converted into a first line player. Bottom line, we were going to lose Iggy for nothing if he was not moved, I like this option better.

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#268 Fotiu's Ghost
March 28 2013, 08:40AM
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suba steve wrote:

Yes, it's obvious that these prospects are not elite. However, the 30th pick in the 2013 draft is not "nothing". On the one hand you have Rex condemning Feaster for giving up our 2nd in 2013 in the Cammi trade because it was going to be so high, then we have Fotiu's Ghost claiming Pit 1st is "nothing". Sure it could amount to nothing in the end, or it could be converted into a first line player. Bottom line, we were going to lose Iggy for nothing if he was not moved, I like this option better.

To be fair, it's the Pittsburgh Tribune claiming that the 1st is "nothing".

In my opinion, there's no objective reason that that 1st won't become a Corey Perry or Cory Schneider or ... I'm out of Cor(e)y's drafted around 28th.

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#269 Robhouli
March 28 2013, 08:46AM
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@Subversive

Give it time, when we traded Niewendyk for Iginla and Corey Millen everyone in this city thought it was a crappy trade. When we sent Kent Nilsson to the Stars for a 2nd round pick, everyone said what a crappy trade. We drafted Niewendyk with that pick. Getting a first round pick and 2 prospects for a 35 year old, possible rental player, he might only play 14 regular season games and whatever in the playoffs and then sign somewhere else this summer. I don't think this deal is so bad, they are looking to the future. These kids are 21 and 23, and might have a shot in the NHL next year.

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#270 McRib
March 28 2013, 08:54AM
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Honestly both prospects seem very underrated in my eyes, as Hanowski if not for a head injury would have most likely finished amoung the scoring leaders in the WCHA. Last year he had 43 Points as a True Junior finishing just outside the Top. 10 in scoring. He is the all time Minnesota High School scoring leader, watching another former Minnesota High School standout Nick Leddy a few nights ago makes me like him even more. He has great size and is the Captain of St. Cloud.

Ken Agostino finished fourth in the ECAC with 37 Points, a league that tends to be lower scoring. He plays with a ton of grit and obviously is smart.

I am often doubtful of Hockey's Future Reviews because they are so general and rank every player outside of stars as 6.5-7C so it hard to tell. But they seem positive on these guys and they are both on the doorstep of the pros.

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#271 Jay
March 28 2013, 08:54AM
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Would of rather got what Dallas got for morrow. Someone with a reasonable chance at playing in the NHL

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#272 the-wolf
March 28 2013, 08:56AM
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End of the day, Jarome was leaving anyways and had a NTC to dictate/veto any trade.

From that standpoint, I'm alright with it.

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#273 Avalain
March 28 2013, 09:04AM
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Jay wrote:

Would of rather got what Dallas got for morrow. Someone with a reasonable chance at playing in the NHL

Really? You don't think that the 1st round pick is worth anything?

Remember that Dallas had to give up their 3rd round pick for a 5th rounder. Do you really think that Calgary should be trading down on their picks at this stage?

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#274 Dave
March 28 2013, 09:05AM
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So I went to bed last night thinking that Iggy will probably be a bruin. Then i get a text from my buddy who's a Pens fan. Crazy night.

After sleeping on it I feel sad that Iggy is gone. For all his downsides as a player he sure was good to the city of Calgary and the fans. I've enjoyed watching and cheering for him. I still will and will miss him.

It's a sad moment right now.... but the right moment. This was the right thing to happen.

In terms of what the flames are getting back. all I'll say is that I think it's alright. Clearly pitt and boston were bidding against eachother and neither deal was great. I think we took the guarenteed first round pick and that's alright by me. Time will tell. So until then we wait and hopefully get one more first rounder. Trade the two of them for another top 10 and have two picks in the top 10. but who knows...

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#275 gotommygo
March 28 2013, 09:16AM
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the-wolf wrote:

End of the day, Jarome was leaving anyways and had a NTC to dictate/veto any trade.

From that standpoint, I'm alright with it.

I think that's what a lot of people are forgetting. There's no guarantee for any team to sign Iginla next year: Pittsburgh, Calgary, or otherwise. What we 'lost' was his services for the rest of the regular season.

Sure, we can argue that he should have been traded one or two years ago, but at the time, the general fan base didn't support it so it wasn't going to happen. Iggy was not going to waive his NTC unless the fans supported it.

Although I do question the choice of two left wingers. With Baertschi and Gaudreau, that's the one spot in our cupboard that's not bare.

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#276 McRib
March 28 2013, 09:17AM
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@Jay

Both of the College Prospects are Top. 10 scorers in their respective leagues and project as bottom six guys in the NHL.... think they both even could develop into Glencross/Stempniak types.

A First Rounder in the Range of 25-30 is basically a 10-20 pick any other year, with how deep the draft is!!!

For an example of the value of this years first rounder look at the 2003 NHL Entry Draft as this is by far the best since then. A 20-30 Pick could have gotten you Ryan Kesler, Mike Richards, Corey Perry, Loui Eriksson, Shea Weber, Patrice Bergeron or Matt Carle.

@Kent Wilson: Interested to know what these two prospects NHLE are???

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#277 Emir
March 28 2013, 09:24AM
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I slept on it and I'm ok with it. Here is why.

Boston: forward prospect w/2nd line ceiling defenseman that is WORSE than butler 5/6 ceiling conditional first round pick. Iggy has to re sign to get it, and with the cap floor dropping he might not re sign.

Pittsburgh: 2 middling forward prospects with a projected 3rd line ceiling, possibly second line. first round pick in a deep draft.

I like the Pittsburgh deal more. The Boston deal might not have had a first in the final outcome. And while the one Boston prospect was clearly better, he can't jump into the NHL right away whereas the one Pitts prospect is NHL ready.

feaster had a tough call to make and he made the right one. If we took the Boston deal and iggy didn't resign, that would be a disaster.

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#278 Bean-counting cowboy
March 28 2013, 09:31AM
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As combared to Boston rumored return, the prospects are poorer, the pick is better - kind of washes out. I think Iggy wanted to play in Pittsburgh and after all he's done for this City, I'm ok if the return was maybe a little less to give him what he wants and deserves. He doesn't have to carry the mail as much in Pittsburgh as compared to Boston and will finally play with an elite centreman. Next to CGY, PIT is my next favourite team, so I'm super stoked for Iggy and excited for the playoffs.

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#279 icedawg_42
March 28 2013, 09:32AM
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@Emir

At these guys ages...is it 'they are what they are'..or do you think they have significantly more development they can go through.

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#280 gotommygo
March 28 2013, 09:34AM
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'Interested to know what these two prospects NHLE are?'

Using a NHLE of 0.41 for the NCAA, you get the following for each player (based on this season):

Agostino : 1.12 PPG x 0.41 x 82 games = 38 points Hanowski : 0.85 PPG x 0.41 x 82 games = 29 points

correct me if I'm wrong)

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#281 Jay
March 28 2013, 09:35AM
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Avalain wrote:

Really? You don't think that the 1st round pick is worth anything?

Remember that Dallas had to give up their 3rd round pick for a 5th rounder. Do you really think that Calgary should be trading down on their picks at this stage?

Feaster is adamant that he doesn't want to "rebuild" so ya I'd have no problem trading down picks for higher quality talent. a more NHL ready player would fit that train of thought better. Looking at this years draft rankings, the 30th pick will put us in the range of Eric comrie.... Goalie of the future?? Maybe I'm just mad at the thought that during 16years with an elite player like iggy this organization failed to ever surround him with talent to win!

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#282 Firefox
March 28 2013, 09:39AM
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Don't forget that Iginla was an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year. Given that the Flames had (at most) four teams to negotiate with, how much were these teams realistically willing to give up for a player who could, in theory, be gone with no compensation in about three months?

Given the choice between a pick and two prospects now, or the possibility of nothing at the end of the year, I'd take the former. Sure, they could have tried a sign-and-trade, but I doubt the return would have been all that much better for a player in the twilight of his career.

Of course, the better answer to all of this would have been trying to move him a year or two ago, when the return would have been higher. Or even better, having a better drafting record over the last 10 years to surround Iginla with better supporting talent. But those are other topics altogether.

All along, every pundit had been saying that the return for Iginla would be a couple of prospects and a first round pick. So I think anyone who is shocked at this is living in fantasyland.

All the best to Iggy, he deserves to win a cup more than just about anyone. I'll be cheering for the pens this offseason.

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#283 gotommygo
March 28 2013, 09:39AM
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p.s. - in ranking flames prospects, that puts Agostino 2nd between Gaudreau and Baertschi and it puts Hanowski 4th between Arnold and Granlund.

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#284 McRib
March 28 2013, 09:40AM
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Okay thats how its done, considering Hanowski battled a head injury during the season that definitely effected his point totals, in the least we should use his numbers from a year ago. Not to mention if he was healthy all season he may have improved on those figures...

43 Points in 39 Games equals 1.10 PPG x 0.41 x 82 Games = 37 Points. Which would tie him with Baertschi for SECOND in the Flames Organization in terms of NHLE. Lets wait and see on these guys because I think this trade might turn out better than expected.

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#285 backburner
March 28 2013, 09:41AM
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ChinookArch wrote:

I slept on it, and gave it time. Guess what - Feaster was robbed. Terrible trade.

Agreed. He was suppose to hit one out of the park.. and he bunted. He should be fired. No Pouliot or Maatta? Brutal.

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#286 Firefox
March 28 2013, 09:41AM
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Cheering for the Pens this POSTseason, rather.

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#287 the-wolf
March 28 2013, 09:44AM
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Bean-counting cowboy wrote:

As combared to Boston rumored return, the prospects are poorer, the pick is better - kind of washes out. I think Iggy wanted to play in Pittsburgh and after all he's done for this City, I'm ok if the return was maybe a little less to give him what he wants and deserves. He doesn't have to carry the mail as much in Pittsburgh as compared to Boston and will finally play with an elite centreman. Next to CGY, PIT is my next favourite team, so I'm super stoked for Iggy and excited for the playoffs.

Iginla wanted to go to the Pens to the point, it would seem, he may as well have just put 1 team on his list. The reason he probably didn't was to help the Flames' avoid an even worse trade. Pens had us over a barrel.

Key is to make that 1st rounder count.

I truly believe Iginla was not coming back in the summer. If he was, the deal would've been signed. Nor will he come back now. Losing him for nothing would've been disaster.

You can't make deals like this with no time left on the clock and painted into a corner.

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#288 Victoria Flames Fan
March 28 2013, 09:45AM
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Agreed. He was suppose to hit one out of the park.. and he bunted. He should be fired. No Pouliot or Maatta? Brutal.

Couldn't agree more. No serious Flames fan was expecting a top 6 roster player or something ... but we could at least expect a half decent prospect. Maatta or Pouliot + a pick would be fine. I puked when I first saw what the Bruins were offering, now I'd be on my knees begging for Khokhlachev. Absolutely sick.

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#289 Victoria Flames Fan
March 28 2013, 09:45AM
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Run Feaster out of town. Enough is enough.

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#290 gotommygo
March 28 2013, 09:46AM
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I didn't know about the head injury, so good point. Plus he was also a year younger at that time.

So if we use an NHLE of 37 points for Hanowski that ties him with Baertschi.

All of a sudden this trade doesn't look as bad after all. That puts them both ahead of all of our prospects except Johnny G.

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#291 icedawg_42
March 28 2013, 09:47AM
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Does Feaster use Pitt's first rounder and assets to move up in the draft?

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#292 jeremywilhelm
March 28 2013, 09:50AM
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I like Ben Hanowski.

He's not a super prospect, but I like him as a prospect.

Unfortunately, this trade had Feaster over a barrel, he didn't come out of it terribly.

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#293 the-wolf
March 28 2013, 09:50AM
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Does Feaster use Pitt's first rounder and assets to move up in the draft?

I like that idea.

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#294 jeremywilhelm
March 28 2013, 09:56AM
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I was thinking about this this morning actually. Would be a pretty shrewd move

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#295 EddyBeers
March 28 2013, 09:56AM
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Thankyou Iggy! For those upset with the returns just remember what Nashville and New Jersey got back for their stars. maybe Iggy comes back ( I doubt it) but he deserves a shot somewhere else. He's been a great representative of our city. Good luck Iggy!

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#296 the-wolf
March 28 2013, 10:00AM
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jeremywilhelm wrote:

I like Ben Hanowski.

He's not a super prospect, but I like him as a prospect.

Unfortunately, this trade had Feaster over a barrel, he didn't come out of it terribly.

Actually, it was terrible. But he had no choice. So there it is. Terrible is all that was out there.

IMO, Iginla only ever had 1 team on his list and that was the Pens. More teams were stated to drive up the offers, but it seems obvious now that he was only ever interested in Pittsburgh.

Factors:

Iginla was leaving in the summer anyways IMO.

Iginla had a NTC to veto any trade.

Only really wanted to go to 1 team.

Ownership refused to let him be dealt any earlier than the 11th hour.

Still, I wonder if they had just asked for 1 single piece back if it could’ve been better? Say straight-up for Maata or Poulliot – Pens’ choice.

But over a barrel is right.

When you take into account all of those factors, the return was not going to be better than it was.

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#297 Emir
March 28 2013, 10:00AM
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Not much more to go. Corey pronman has hanowski as a second line player with great skills and a great shot. His knock is his skating. The other prospect is a projected third liner.

I like the fact that hanowski is NHL ready. We just have to sign him now. Shouldn't be too hard I think.

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#298 everton fc
March 28 2013, 10:04AM
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ChinookArch wrote:

I slept on it, and gave it time. Guess what - Feaster was robbed. Terrible trade.

Feaster and Weisbrod must think they're both going to be here long enough to see these two and Jankowski not only make the big club, but improve it's fortunes.

Look for the Pens 1st rounder to be an American, and/or someone from the U.S. Collegiate or Junior ranks.

Hankowski battled a head injury, hey? Never like to hear that. They couldn't (or wouldn't?) take a punt on Tyler Kennedy? He's 26... Young...

Look what the Stars got from the Pens for Brendan Morrow. Makes you wonder. And if Feaster moves up in the draft, expect another Jankowski.

Perhaps we could have moved Iginla for the Pens Asst. GM, Jason Botterill, and punted Feaster? Again, one can dream!

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#299 T&A4Flames
March 28 2013, 10:06AM
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Other positives, we cleared up 7mil im cap space and 1 of our 50 contracts. Maybe we can still make some moves by aquiring expiring bad contracts with picks from teams who are trying to make good trades.

If Jbo goes, it better be a home run with 1yr still on his contract.

Cammi made his stock go up a bit last night.

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#300 Stumblin' Hank
March 28 2013, 10:07AM
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The way I see this trade is like trading caviar for a potato. Even if you hate it, at least you won't starve.

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