Kipper Won't Go and The Flames Heart

Kent Wilson
March 27 2013 10:10AM

Amidst the on-going Iginla melodrama, Nick Kypreos reported last night that Miikka Kiprusoff has told Flames management he won't report to any other team if he's traded at the deadline. Kipper's NTC ran out last summer, but with only one season remaining on his current deal (at $1.5 million in real dollars) Kiprusoff can now play the "I'll just retire if you force me to do anything " card.

Personally, I didn't think the time was right for dealing Kipper anyways. Although there's a non-trivial chance he might take his ball and go home in the summer anyways, the truth is his value has never been lower on the trade market. Kipper's numbers are league and career worst this year, he's almost 37 years old and probably the only residual value he has for a team going into the playoffs is his reputation as a great goalie. 

To be clear, I don't think Kipper is *this bad* in reality, but recent results always count for a lot when you're trying to move somebody. The age thing is just an added layer of risk for a trade partner, to say nothing of another year with a $5.83M cap hit if he chooses to play.

Meaning the return for Kipper right now is likely to be nominal anyways. Pragmatically it would serve the team to try to leverage one of their key pieces from th last decade before he walks into the sunset, of course, but then the club should have tried shopping him a few years ago. For now, Kipper holds all the cards - the final year of his deal in trivial in real dollars relative to his career earnings and he's willing to stick a knife in his final season if circumstances don't suit him.

I'm not sure if I can blame Kiprusoff for this maneuver. On one hand, he's a pro athlete who is compensated millions of dollars and being traded is one of the risks of the job. On the other hand, his priorities at 37 years old have clearly shifted towards other things in life (read: family), so he's using what leverage he has left to ensure those priorities are served.

It's possible Kipper returns for his last year and then accepts a trade at the next deadline (or declines a trade for a second time), but if anyone pushed me, I'd bet on him retiring to Finland in the summer.

Flames Have No Heart!

This is a comment lament in Flamesland these days. Actually, if you tour around other team's messageboards, it's common with pretty much every losing team's fanbase.

Calgary has been legitimately bad recently, to be sure. Very good teams like Chicago and St. Louis have drastically outplayed them. Even Nashville and Phoenix have proven to be overbearing in the last few weeks. It's galling and frustrating and there's a chance the players have indeed accepted the inevitable in the dressing room and are simply playing out the string. 

That said, I almost always reject this line of thinking: specifically that if the team cared more (or had more leadership, will to win, etc) they'd be meaningfully better. First, because we can't possibly know what the true motivations or passion level is of the players in the dressing room. Secondly, because this is a common psychological bias called the error of attribution, which causes people to assume failure in others is due to personal faults rather than situational or circumstantial issues. Thirdly, because if caring a lot predicted success, it would negate the importance of skill (which is clearly doesn't).

Finally, and perhaps most importantly in my view, psychologizing losses and and making it about some kind of character failure (be it acute or chronic) means you stop looking for answers. Let's put it another way: mistakes can be as vital as successes in that they contain information about how to do things right, assuming one can tease apart cause and effect. The problem with thinking that "the Flames could be better if they wanted to be" is that it stops the player and team evaluation process in its tracks. Calgary is good - would be good - if the players wanted to be.

Which is fine, I guess, if it's true and the roster has a congenital case of not giving a crap. I would argue, however, that the collected players just aren't good enough to contend in the league as assembled and that fans and management are better served trying to understand where things have gone wrong.

Other Stuff

- Prospect buff and Bruins writer Kirk Luedeke argues that the Bruins should acquire the Iginla.

- New sponsor WebSim Hockey offered us 12 free subscriptions for Nations Readers. When he revealed that on Monday, they promptly received almost 40 emails looking to claim them. Instead of turning people away, they simply handed out free subscriptions to everyone. Nice!

- Apparently former Flames head coach Mike Keenan was on TV today and said that Kipper and the team "had an understanding" that he would retire for the final season of his contract when it was signed way back when. Matt Fenwick noted this in response on twitter today:

 Meaning, of course, the league could conceivably punish the organization if Kipper actually retires this off-season, assuming they believe Keenan and would be motivated to pursue the issue. Ugh.

- Finally, as noted in the FGD post from yesterday, FN will be at Tilted Kilt on Monday, April 1 to watch the Flames take on the Edmonton Oilers. Of course, if Iginla is still on the team at that point, it could be his final game in Flames colors.

So come out, maybe win a free jersey or a free beer, and hope Iginla can help Calgary beat Edmonton one last time.

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#51 Q
March 27 2013, 01:25PM
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I am ticked that kipper has done what he's done if its true. Cry me a freakn river kipp! You have tens of millions of dollars because Darryl and the flames gave you a chance as a third stringer minor league goalie at the time. Yes you played out of your head for this team but a contract is a contract! Family or not, he can set his wife and kids up nicely somewhere regardless of where he's at with all his cash.Retire now then dude! Don't give this club ultimatums. Take your can back to Finland now and don't think your doing us any favors by waiting til summer!!' As for an iggy deal, you gotta believe there's a big package deal brewing. The only way jay gets what he's asking is compensating with some other player(s). Maybe Glennx or stempniak.

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#52 Q
March 27 2013, 01:27PM
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@icedawg_42

But kipper had a no-trade until this year, so it wasn't compensating for those years where he had it.

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#53 Colin.S
March 27 2013, 01:27PM
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the-wolf wrote:

After listening to the Fan this morning I have to agree with Morganti. It's part of what you're paid ridiculous amounts of money to do. And part of being a pro. It does screw the team over. Who knows what that draft pick could turn into, for example.

And yet, same as you, I'm just not that mad about it. Should be, but I'm not. Apathy.

Why the hell should Kipper care what whatever he gets traded for get turned into? That's what the team should care about, but again the team is so incompetently run that it's relying on an aged goalie that they hoped to trade so they could get one extra shot in a later round to turn this franchise around.

The Flames should be thanking their lucky stars right now they have Kipper, if it wasn't for him the fans and media might actually be acknowledging the Flames terrible play and management decisions.

Also Kipper isn't being paid millions to be TRADED, he is being paid millions to play GOALIE, if he doesn't want to be traded he's more than allowed to give up being paid millions to retire. What you feel he owes the Flames is not relevant.

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#54 icedawg_42
March 27 2013, 01:31PM
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And we should all remember - he may or may not have said this. This is merely a media report. PLUS we have no idea the context.

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#55 Colin.S
March 27 2013, 01:43PM
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RexLibris wrote:

I had posted in the GDT last night that, from my perspective, Kiprusoff has earned the right to make this call for himself and his family. Any anger or resentment, while understandable, should be directed at management for mishandling him as an asset.

Agree with this as well, this isn't a Kyle Turris or other young gun holding out or anything, this is an NHL Vet with a family and as everyone assumes was going to retire very shortly, probably at the end of this year. If he wants to play the last 20 games of his career as a Flame he can do that, or the team can try and trade him and possibly force him to retire. The fact that the fan base has turned on him and demanded he accept any trade is shameful IMO.

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#56 Alt
March 27 2013, 01:48PM
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These front loaded contract,s were used to circumvent the CBA and allow teams to spend more,and player,s to collect more.IMO any disdain for Kipper(i have none) should be shared with management for writing such a contract.Players don,t respect the tail end of these contract,s.

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#57 Veggie Dog
March 27 2013, 02:00PM
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I can't believe the outrage that someone dare fault kipper for his ALLEGED refusal. If Iggy decided he had had enough and wanted to retire to watch his kids grow up rather than pack up and go to the Eastern conference, perhaps becoming one of those aging nomad vets, would you all show up with torches and pitchforks??? These are people with greater priorities than a game. Kudos for kipper IF he is doing this for family reasons.

Same with all the moaning about NTCs, you sign a guy, he has the right to stick around. It made me sick when Toronto fans turned on Sundin so fast. If Iggy requests a move, and the team has mutual interest, then good luck Iggy. If he feels pressured to leave against his wishes and refuses? Well then tough crap Flames fans.

Kipper is a special case. While he doesn't have a NTC, he is on the verge of retirement. I think we can all excuse him for balking at being sent somewhere else for 16 or 17 games while a new child and real life demand his presence here in Calgary as much as possible. If he really wanted to, he could retire now and save all of you the trouble of moaning about how awful he is. He has been one of the busiest goalies in the league for the last decade, and gave us all hope that our often terrible team appeared better than they actually were with his ridiculous performances.

Iggy and Kipper both are two of the best we have ever had. Spare me all of the acrimony and BS. This team is more than a Kipper trade away from respectability.

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#58 mk
March 27 2013, 02:02PM
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Justme wrote:

I am sure Murray Edwards ran his business to make money. Which he is doing with this hockey team. Maybe a drop in ticket sales and merch would change how things were run.

I'm still not convinced that the team is operating this way purely for business reasons. I see 2 ways it could make more money in the short term:

1) Significantly improve the product on the ice - this requires making serious changes to team and hasn't happened.

2) Reduce your operating expenses - this would also require making significant changes to the roster and committing to utilizing EL contracts to their potential.

Besides which, everyone in the league can see that the future is not bright for this team, not without some changes; what kind of business is successful by ignoring long-term planning completely?

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#59 FireOnIce
March 27 2013, 02:03PM
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So let me get this straight. Kipper is basically worth nothing now (unless they do a BOS->NYI where the team just NEEDS to hit the floor, but that won't happen) AND the team has the potential to be penalized for his contract?

WTF is going on? No tampering with Erixon/NYR was ever investigated. The Flames LAWYER GM interpreted a CBA rule in his own team's favour (wrongly, I might add) and failed to get a player via offer sheets. Now Kipper is going to bail and the Flames get NOTHING.

At this point, it sounds like the Flames will get investigated. You know, because when you bring sh*t down on yourself, it truly pours.

Not sure how I feel about Kipper. True, he came in and brought us to the playoffs. True, he has covered up this team's inconsistencies for a long time. But did he ever pass the first round after that? Was it ALWAYS the fault of everyone but Kipper? He stole games, but not when we really needed them. He took $35 MILLION dollars to miss the playoffs 4 years in a row (as of this year). That's 4 years of his 6 year extension that we've missed the playoffs.

People, what we have here is called a 'cult of personality', where Iginla and Kipper are the leaders and we are the sheep. Let go. They've given service. If Kipper takes his ball, let him go. Doesn't mean you have to be his biggest fan when the team gets NOTHING for all the money we've paid him (no playoffs, no consolation prize).

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#60 mk
March 27 2013, 02:04PM
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@Veggie Dog

I feel like some of the outrage isn't necessarily directed at Kipper, but simply the situation the team is in. I commented earlier that "this is lame", but I can't fault Miikka for his choice, but its unfortunate that it leaves the team in this position.

Another reason management has demonstrated they aren't on the ball here.

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#61 Veggie Dog
March 27 2013, 02:09PM
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FireOnIce wrote:

So let me get this straight. Kipper is basically worth nothing now (unless they do a BOS->NYI where the team just NEEDS to hit the floor, but that won't happen) AND the team has the potential to be penalized for his contract?

WTF is going on? No tampering with Erixon/NYR was ever investigated. The Flames LAWYER GM interpreted a CBA rule in his own team's favour (wrongly, I might add) and failed to get a player via offer sheets. Now Kipper is going to bail and the Flames get NOTHING.

At this point, it sounds like the Flames will get investigated. You know, because when you bring sh*t down on yourself, it truly pours.

Not sure how I feel about Kipper. True, he came in and brought us to the playoffs. True, he has covered up this team's inconsistencies for a long time. But did he ever pass the first round after that? Was it ALWAYS the fault of everyone but Kipper? He stole games, but not when we really needed them. He took $35 MILLION dollars to miss the playoffs 4 years in a row (as of this year). That's 4 years of his 6 year extension that we've missed the playoffs.

People, what we have here is called a 'cult of personality', where Iginla and Kipper are the leaders and we are the sheep. Let go. They've given service. If Kipper takes his ball, let him go. Doesn't mean you have to be his biggest fan when the team gets NOTHING for all the money we've paid him (no playoffs, no consolation prize).

Its true that there is blame to go around for Calgary's lack of success, Kipper included, but cup runs are few and far between for this team. Kipper, Iggy and the rest gave us one that was fantastic.

Personally, I grew up in the 90's and early 2000's era of terrible flames teams and LONG playoff absences. The 03-04 cup run and resurgence that followed rekindled my flagging interest in the team. I am grateful for that, and I think there is nothing wrong with loving those two guys and cutting them some slack.

The team also failed to provide Iggy with the Centre he needed. He never bolted on us, he has proven his loyalty.

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#62 backburner
March 27 2013, 02:10PM
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chillout wrote:

Yeah I hate people who put their family first....

Give me a break... it's part of the business.. and he would have to play what? two months of Hockey outside of Calgary? Cry me a friggin' River... I am Married with two small kids and I've had to go away to work last year for two months AND this year.. and I didn't get paid. It's rough but it can be done.. do it for your family.

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#63 Sincity1976
March 27 2013, 02:11PM
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@Colin.S

Buy outs and demotions are rules within the collective bargaining agreement. Kipper is circumventing the rules by manipulating the process. It is dirty pool.

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#64 the-wolf
March 27 2013, 02:13PM
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Colin.S wrote:

Agree with this as well, this isn't a Kyle Turris or other young gun holding out or anything, this is an NHL Vet with a family and as everyone assumes was going to retire very shortly, probably at the end of this year. If he wants to play the last 20 games of his career as a Flame he can do that, or the team can try and trade him and possibly force him to retire. The fact that the fan base has turned on him and demanded he accept any trade is shameful IMO.

Why is it shameful?

1) Adequately compensated - that's ALL the team owes him.

2) Has a year left on his contract.

3) Getting traded is part of the contract. Should Iginla do that too? Ask Leafs fans about Sundin.

As stated, I sort of don't care anymore, but it's not Kipper's right or say anything else.

Forgive my harsh language, but good gravey and cheese and crackers, it's a few months more of hockey and then he can live wherever and do whatever.

Man, why do some fans feel like they, other fans, the team, they city, the universe owe an athlete something because they performed well. That's what he was paid for.

Kipper made 8.5 million the first year. Where's the Flames right to just yank that away whenever?

Honor the pro contract you put your name to.

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#65 mcculb
March 27 2013, 02:54PM
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Not blaming Kipper at all. More power to him. Just shows how broken this team is for the story to end this way. Would be alright if he was about to take us on another run and it ended on an upswing. It just feels sour this way. Not his fault at all.

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#66 the-wolf
March 27 2013, 03:00PM
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You are right. Kipper can retire whenever, so in that sense he's breaking no rules, I admit. But it's still a jerk move in the sense that he he intends to finish the season, doesn't have a NTC, but will take his ball and go home if he is traded.

Kipper wanting to finish out the string here doesn't really bug me. It's this idea that it's owed to him or any other athlete that sticks in my craw.

But yeah, it is his right to retire whenever.

Just all the more reason though that players have to be handled like cold, hard assets.

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#67 vowswithin
March 27 2013, 03:01PM
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It seems like the only people in life that have to adhere to contracts are suckers that are either poor or middle class... If I cancel my contract with Bell I have to pay them out money. And that is a TINY CONTRACT. I have people calling me all the time until I pay. If I am a big athlete its all good I say F&*( you and I am not doing what you tell me.... What you give me 50 million I don't care screw you...

Then you shouldn't have signed up for it, LEGALLY he has to ITS A CONTRACT.

Its just like how people like O.J. Simpson gets away with murder because hes a rich bastard.

Arrrggg

and btw we don't owe Kipper $#!T

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#68 Avalain
March 27 2013, 03:01PM
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the-wolf wrote:

Why is it shameful?

1) Adequately compensated - that's ALL the team owes him.

2) Has a year left on his contract.

3) Getting traded is part of the contract. Should Iginla do that too? Ask Leafs fans about Sundin.

As stated, I sort of don't care anymore, but it's not Kipper's right or say anything else.

Forgive my harsh language, but good gravey and cheese and crackers, it's a few months more of hockey and then he can live wherever and do whatever.

Man, why do some fans feel like they, other fans, the team, they city, the universe owe an athlete something because they performed well. That's what he was paid for.

Kipper made 8.5 million the first year. Where's the Flames right to just yank that away whenever?

Honor the pro contract you put your name to.

Looks like almost all of this was already covered above (as in, he did not sign a contract that he would be traded).

But man, why do some fans feel like they, other fans, the team, the city, the universe are owed something from an athlete outside of contractual obligations? He is paid to play hockey, not to be traded. If he is traded he can make up his mind about whether he still wants to be paid to play hockey, but he doesn't owe you anything.

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#69 vowswithin
March 27 2013, 03:03PM
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@the-wolf

Just all the more reason though that players have to be handled like cold, hard assets.

Truer words were never said. You give guys everything and they tell you screw you...

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#70 Avalain
March 27 2013, 03:13PM
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vowswithin wrote:

It seems like the only people in life that have to adhere to contracts are suckers that are either poor or middle class... If I cancel my contract with Bell I have to pay them out money. And that is a TINY CONTRACT. I have people calling me all the time until I pay. If I am a big athlete its all good I say F&*( you and I am not doing what you tell me.... What you give me 50 million I don't care screw you...

Then you shouldn't have signed up for it, LEGALLY he has to ITS A CONTRACT.

Its just like how people like O.J. Simpson gets away with murder because hes a rich bastard.

Arrrggg

and btw we don't owe Kipper $#!T

If you cancel your contract with Bell and you didn't get a subsidized phone in the beginning, you would be able to get out of the contract without having to pay anything (or perhaps there is a nominal fee for $50 or something). If you cancel your contract in the middle you will have to pay back the difference between how much you have since paid back and how much was "given" to you in the form of a subsidy in the first place.

If Kipper had received his entire pay over the life of the contract in one lump sum when he first signed, I guarantee that he would have to pay back that 1.5 million if he retired in the last year. But that's not how it works. Kipper may be rich, but he can't really get out of his contract. He can't decide that he just doesn't want to play for 1.5 million and go to Edmonton and sign a contract for 3 million or something.

Oh, and isn't OJ Simpson in jail now?

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#71 icedawg_42
March 27 2013, 03:26PM
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@Colin.S

Well...I'd say I 90% agree with you here - IF and that's a HUGE IF IMO he intends to continue playing after this season, then he DOES indeed owe the team whatever they decide to move him for..because of that contract, they own his rights.

If he retires, then I agree 100% with this post.

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#72 shutout
March 27 2013, 03:36PM
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I trade Kiprusoff right now just on the principal of the matter. I send him to Toronto for a conditional return. If Kiprusoff reports than I get Joe Colborne. If he plays in the playoffs I get a 4th round pick added. If the Leafs make the second round than I get a 2nd round pick added to Colborne.

Toronto loses nothing by making the deal. Maybe they can convince Kiprusoff to come over for a couple of months. If he does not show up than they suspend him and it costs them nothing. For Calgary it is playing hardball which should help to fix the country club atmosphere in the dressing room, and not having Kiprusoff gives us a better chance at getting a higher draft pick.

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#73 Colin.S
March 27 2013, 03:45PM
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icedawg_42 wrote:

Well...I'd say I 90% agree with you here - IF and that's a HUGE IF IMO he intends to continue playing after this season, then he DOES indeed owe the team whatever they decide to move him for..because of that contract, they own his rights.

If he retires, then I agree 100% with this post.

If his decision is to retire rather than get traded he can't unretire I believe, at least for more than season or something. There is a lot of rules involving official retirements that prevent players from trying to abuse the retirement system.

As well, with Ramo coming over next year as well and if Kipper forced the Flames hand, I'd figure in the off season they give him the Retire or get traded option again and he will retire. There is no scenario now where he's not retired next year.

And for people thinking he'd take the Backup role, anyone remember the last Olympics? He wanted started or he wasn't going, I'd imagine he'd probably be in a similar boat here.

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#74 vowswithin
March 27 2013, 04:08PM
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I am just so frustrated with this piece of garbage we call the flames. Its all about money, none about the fans and barely about winning. We spend to the cap and some how are beat by teams with half the payroll.

The players don't really seem to care much, despite their millions and even worse all the fans are defending them.

Management has had their hands in since day one, and have kept the team down and profits up.

If they don't send a bunch of pieces packing in the next 7 days you can be sure of two things,

We are going to absolutely suck horse balls and be a bigger joke then we are now (don't know how its possible but it is)

And that next year many fans will stop following the flames. (Its an opinion but I formed that based on talking to flames fans around here)

I won't both reply right now to the other post I made because I think I am just not in the right place to be logical :-(.

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#75 Sincity1976
March 27 2013, 04:23PM
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@Colin.S

He isn't retiring. He is threatening to not report to ensure he isn't be traded.

You can spin it and spin it and spin it again. The bottom line is Kipper doesn't want to retire. He wants to prevent being traded so he manipulated the system to ensure he isn't traded.

Players manipulating the system to, in affect, create their own NMC isn't good for the game. That is EXACTLY what he has done. Spin it however you want that remains EXACTLY what he has done.

It is a piss poor thing to do to his team and his fans. This noble crap about him choosing to focus on family is just that. Crap. He is a multi millionaire. Why would anyone feel sorry for a guy that has to spend a month on the road while making millions. Aren't there bigger hardships to worry about?

He is preventing the Flames from employing their contractual RIGHT to trade him. In doing so they are depriving his team, team mates, and the fans from getting a return that would help people in the future.

Take your harp somewhere else. His approach is unethical and this supposed family commitment is BS.

If the Flames had the balls they would demote him to the AHL to make a point. When he doesn't report they should suspend him.

The worst thing about this is how he is tainting he legacy. Our last memories of Kipper are how he manipulated the system to screw the team over to avoid a minor inconvenience.

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#76 chillout
March 27 2013, 04:32PM
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@Sincity1976

It is a piss poor thing to do to his team and his fans. This noble crap about him choosing to focus on family is just that. Crap. He is a multi millionaire. Why would anyone feel sorry for a guy that has to spend a month on the road while making millions. Aren't there bigger hardships to worry about?

uhhh yeah stuff like family which is what he is doing. making millions doesn't justify people treating you like crap because you want to take care of your family. They are probably lucky he isn't just taking the rest of the season off. What does money honestly have to do with how one treats their family? you have me confused with this. He doesn't owe anybody anything he's in his mid thirties and has given this team his all and then some. He doesn't owe us draft picks or prospects or anything. He can walk away at any given time and the fact that he wants to at least finish this season with us is something we should be thankful for.

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#77 Sincity1976
March 27 2013, 04:41PM
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@chillout

Seriously people need perspective. We aren't talking about him sending his family to the docks to work while he plays hockey. We are talking about him spending a short time away. Like dozens of other hockey players and billions of other people.

Some people will buy anything. '' But it's for his family... '' Give me a break.

People are way to quick to worry about the little inconveniences of a millionaire. Those millions he has to support his contract came from this contract he is refusing to honor.

Serious lack of perspective.

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#78 Kevin R
March 27 2013, 04:49PM
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Colin.S wrote:

If his decision is to retire rather than get traded he can't unretire I believe, at least for more than season or something. There is a lot of rules involving official retirements that prevent players from trying to abuse the retirement system.

As well, with Ramo coming over next year as well and if Kipper forced the Flames hand, I'd figure in the off season they give him the Retire or get traded option again and he will retire. There is no scenario now where he's not retired next year.

And for people thinking he'd take the Backup role, anyone remember the last Olympics? He wanted started or he wasn't going, I'd imagine he'd probably be in a similar boat here.

Just throwing this out there, here's a little whatif, what if Feaster & Kipper talked & Kipper said, "My wife didnt fair too well from the child birth & she needs me around as she heals. I was thinking of retiring the end of this year, I would like to finish my career in Calgary but in different circumstances I would be open to a trade for one last playoff hurrah. But given my wife's health & young family, that is no longer an option.If I'm traded, I will expedite my decision to retire, its not about the 2.0mill remaining left for this season & 1.5mill next season. But I feel bad, that this situation isnt fair to the Flames who have been so good to me. Dont trade me & I will come back & play whatever role you have for me next year." All the assumptions & conclusions that have posted here is no more accurate than the potential dialogue I put out here. We'll just have to see how this plays out.

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#79 Danglesnipecelly
March 27 2013, 05:22PM
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Not sure if its been mentioned already but Pierre LeBrun was on the Team 1040 in Vancouver this afternoon and said that the Kipper situation is "even more complicated than what's being reported"

Take that for what it's worth.

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#80 chillout
March 27 2013, 05:54PM
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@Sincity1976

so would you be fine with this if he was just a regular joe? It almost seems like you have something against these guys for making lots of money.

All I'm saying is these guys are people just like you and me and making millions of dollars has nothing to do with how a person will react to issues with their families.

The company my uncle works for just promoted him and is letting him work from home because my aunt is dying from cancer. He makes a lot of money should he have to go to work at the office because he makes a lot of money? It's just a little inconvenience for a guy that makes a lot of money right?

Now I'm not saying kippers wife or kid is dying but really family is more important than the dollars. If the flames gave him the choice of either being traded or breaking his contract he would likely forego the rest of his pay this year and next and go be with his family.

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#81 Tenbrucelees
March 27 2013, 05:57PM
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@Veggie Dog

This

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#82 W
March 27 2013, 06:07PM
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@Veggie Dog

Because its a contract and you honor it! I don't give a rats rats a$$ what you've accomplished! So if Edwards just decided to stop paying kipper mid season that would be ok because he had personal reasons not to too? Please! Somehow because he's been #1 all these years he's entitled? BS!

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#83 Veggie Dog
March 27 2013, 06:10PM
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W wrote:

Because its a contract and you honor it! I don't give a rats rats a$$ what you've accomplished! So if Edwards just decided to stop paying kipper mid season that would be ok because he had personal reasons not to too? Please! Somehow because he's been #1 all these years he's entitled? BS!

If it means retirement, he absolutely is entitled to do whatever he wants.

He is not an indentured servant or serf. He is well paid, but free to stop when he wants.

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#84 RKD
March 27 2013, 06:14PM
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Kipper just had another baby and there are stories circulating there were birth complications which would explain why he would want to remain near his wife and child.

Even if they tried to move Kipper last year or a few years ago he still could have rejected a trade. Maybe Kipper planned to have a baby around this time and knew he would be able to use an out if the team was doing poorly and that he would be used as trade bait.

Never say never, even if he is traded eventually he could report to the team. Would be terrible for a playoff team. Eventually, Nabokov and Visnovsky despite their refusals, both end up reporting to the Isles.

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#85 Alt
March 27 2013, 06:46PM
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He isn't retiring. He is threatening to not report to ensure he isn't be traded.

You can spin it and spin it and spin it again. The bottom line is Kipper doesn't want to retire. He wants to prevent being traded so he manipulated the system to ensure he isn't traded.

Players manipulating the system to, in affect, create their own NMC isn't good for the game. That is EXACTLY what he has done. Spin it however you want that remains EXACTLY what he has done.

It is a piss poor thing to do to his team and his fans. This noble crap about him choosing to focus on family is just that. Crap. He is a multi millionaire. Why would anyone feel sorry for a guy that has to spend a month on the road while making millions. Aren't there bigger hardships to worry about?

He is preventing the Flames from employing their contractual RIGHT to trade him. In doing so they are depriving his team, team mates, and the fans from getting a return that would help people in the future.

Take your harp somewhere else. His approach is unethical and this supposed family commitment is BS.

If the Flames had the balls they would demote him to the AHL to make a point. When he doesn't report they should suspend him.

The worst thing about this is how he is tainting he legacy. Our last memories of Kipper are how he manipulated the system to screw the team over to avoid a minor inconvenience.

Front loaded contract,s are also unethical.Family commitement,s are not BS.

I find it hard to believe that management is surprised by Kipper,s decision.It has been reported for a year that he would most likely retire before going elsewhere.If in fact management is upset with him,they should say so.I doubt that happens because Kipper has been honest with them throughout his career

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