The Iginla Trade Circus

Arik
March 30 2013 10:11AM

 

After the news of the Boston “trade” broke over twitter, I made the joke that it would have been far more appropriate for Calgary to play Iginla and trade him in the middle of the game, given how absurd the management is, but they did me one better. Hell, they did me several better.

First, we’re going to make two (very likely and logical) assumptions (which have recently been confirmed by Chiarelli):

1. The rumored Boston trade was an actual offer.

2. Jarome Iginla was involved in the trade beyond stating which teams he’d waive his NTC for. Well, this isn’t so much an assumption - Elliotte Friedman said so outright. “Feaster said Iginla made the call on PIT. Added the draft choice is not conditional.”

So what we saw was the Flames making a not great, but probably the best available, trade for a conditional first (condition unknown), Alexander Khokhlachev (a guy with 1st line potential and a very good puck possession game), and some other guy I don’t even remember at this point. The Flames twitter feed stayed quiet on the issue, though major media members were mostly confirming it. Then Calgary told all the media to remain after the game, and SURPRISE IGINLA’S GOING ELSEWHERE FOR OTHER THINGS.

There was almost a sense that Feaster, for a moment, fancied himself a magician with a big reveal. “It’s not a cake...it’s a lady!” as he whips the fancy cloth away*.

What makes this fascinating (in the same way the Cloverfield was fascinating) was the process of letting a player get involved and make the call on the team. Jarome Iginla was a hell of a player, seemingly a nice dude, and an icon in Calgary, but he’s hardly a qualified scout or hockey analyst. So if he had already agreed that Boston, LA, PIT and whatever the other place was were all fine, why did he make the final call?

The fact is, Calgary is run by children thinking themselves far cleverer than they really are. Pittsburgh has several high quality prospects (Maatta, Pouliot, Depres) that are almost assuredly worth more than the likely 28th-30th first round pick, and yet Feaster seemed entirely thrilled that he’d gotten an unconditional first round pick.

For all the serious analytic work that the writers here at FN will do on this trade in the coming days and weeks, there’s one very important thing to remember: this may have beaten the Jokinen and Prust trade to the New York Rangers in terms of sheer absurdity in the process.

*I have no idea what cool magic tricks are going on these days, but I assume only the ones in Calgary involve making good hockey players disappear for cheap bits of flim flam

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Arik works in Search and Rescue in the United States Coast Guard and is a former managing editor of the SBN Flames blog, Matchsticks and Gasoline.
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#51 Captain Ron
March 30 2013, 01:34PM
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Well, we got to stick with what we got until they fire King/Feaster. This organization could have hired Nicholson, Yzerman, or John Davidson but missed the boat on all 3.

I don't get putting Yzerman on a pedestal as a GM. What has he done in Tampa that has been so great? Last time I looked they were as bad as we are.

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#52 Old Soldier
March 30 2013, 01:39PM
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Stupid question?

What would the consequences have really been if the Flames had played the whole situation a bit more hard ass. What if they had come out publicly and stated the team needed to "repackage, rebuild, reload...whatever", and that the first step in that process was moving Iginla.

Would making the process more public made Iginla more accountable and less likely to be given the "veto" he was given.

According to 3 different GM's interviewed since the trade, the usual process in this situation is simple. Approach Player. Get list of teams. Have player sign off list. Play the 3 or 4 teams off of each other to achieve best deal.

Not to start any conspiracy theories, I dont believe in them, but I also dont believe that Crosby and Iginla had communication prior to the deal, and while Crosby is not management, that to me is still tampering to a degree. And I have no doubt that was indicated to Shero.

The deal Shero put forth, without any doubt, shows me he "knew" that he had Iginla. There is no way you offer more for Morrow, than you do for Iginla. The difference in the two cases, Shero didnt "know" that Morrow would only go to Pitt.

If this process had been made more public, I dont think it would have ended up the way it did.....and I am not going to apologize for not buying into the sentimental crap about long term players leaving. Give them their gold watch and move on.

Lastly, if there had been no behind the scenes stuff going on....then whats the rush? You arent going to get a worse deal if you wait a week? Even Pitt might have bumped things up a bit if you waited. None of this makes any sense

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#53 FireOnIce
March 30 2013, 01:41PM
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Watching this PIT/NYI game. Iginla definitely seems a bit rejuvenated - he's going to open space to shoot, standing in front of the goalie, playing decently with Neal and Malkin.

One weird thing though. It appears that PIT does a 3-2 forechecking setup (at least with Neal-Malkin-Iginla) and it doesn't work that well. Yeah, they're buzzing behind the net, but it directly lead to two turnovers, one a breakaway for Grabner that he couldn't cash.

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#54 BurningSensation
March 30 2013, 01:41PM
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the-wolf wrote:

BB's pick was NOT conditional, that's been stated about a 1000x. I'll take Chiarelli's word over Feaster's.

Even if this is the case, I still prefer the Pens offer. Kochlachev is not an 'A' grade prospect, and there is also 'flight risk' to the KHL.

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#55 RKD
March 30 2013, 01:41PM
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Captain Ron wrote:

I don't get putting Yzerman on a pedestal as a GM. What has he done in Tampa that has been so great? Last time I looked they were as bad as we are.

Fair point, Yzerman needs to get a #1 goaltender to solidify that position and improve the defense.

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#56 BurningSensation
March 30 2013, 01:47PM
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Old Soldier wrote:

Stupid question?

What would the consequences have really been if the Flames had played the whole situation a bit more hard ass. What if they had come out publicly and stated the team needed to "repackage, rebuild, reload...whatever", and that the first step in that process was moving Iginla.

Would making the process more public made Iginla more accountable and less likely to be given the "veto" he was given.

According to 3 different GM's interviewed since the trade, the usual process in this situation is simple. Approach Player. Get list of teams. Have player sign off list. Play the 3 or 4 teams off of each other to achieve best deal.

Not to start any conspiracy theories, I dont believe in them, but I also dont believe that Crosby and Iginla had communication prior to the deal, and while Crosby is not management, that to me is still tampering to a degree. And I have no doubt that was indicated to Shero.

The deal Shero put forth, without any doubt, shows me he "knew" that he had Iginla. There is no way you offer more for Morrow, than you do for Iginla. The difference in the two cases, Shero didnt "know" that Morrow would only go to Pitt.

If this process had been made more public, I dont think it would have ended up the way it did.....and I am not going to apologize for not buying into the sentimental crap about long term players leaving. Give them their gold watch and move on.

Lastly, if there had been no behind the scenes stuff going on....then whats the rush? You arent going to get a worse deal if you wait a week? Even Pitt might have bumped things up a bit if you waited. None of this makes any sense

Ina closed world like the NHL, reputation for how an organization deals with star players matters. If the Flames become known as hard asses who treat people like cattle (see: Edm), free agents won't sign there, and any player with the power to veto a trade to that destination will.

So yeah, it's a stupid question.

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#57 FireOnIce
March 30 2013, 01:49PM
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@RKD

Agreed re: Yzerman. He was basically given a fairly good young team, all he had/has to do was/is get a goalie. Pretty hard to screw things up when you have a potential #1 D (Hedman), arguably one of the best centre's in the game (Stamkos), and one of the top playmakers in the game (St. Louis).

Of course, they floundered last season and are horrific this season, so maybe we'll get a shot at Yzerman sooner than we think...

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#58 Captain Ron
March 30 2013, 01:52PM
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the-wolf wrote:

BB's pick was NOT conditional, that's been stated about a 1000x. I'll take Chiarelli's word over Feaster's.

The jilted lover is not always to be believed. Sounded more like sour grapes to me.

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#59 Captain Ron
March 30 2013, 02:02PM
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Fair point, Yzerman needs to get a #1 goaltender to solidify that position and improve the defense.

So true that soild goaltending in the NHL has a way of making GM's and Coaches look like geniuses.

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#60 BurningSensation
March 30 2013, 02:25PM
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Captain Ron wrote:

So true that soild goaltending in the NHL has a way of making GM's and Coaches look like geniuses.

Very true, see Sutter+Kiprusoff/Quick

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#61 the-wolf
March 30 2013, 02:33PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

Ina closed world like the NHL, reputation for how an organization deals with star players matters. If the Flames become known as hard asses who treat people like cattle (see: Edm), free agents won't sign there, and any player with the power to veto a trade to that destination will.

So yeah, it's a stupid question.

Are you on the Flames' payroll by chance? There's being a homer and all, but you come across as a professional apologetic.

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#62 Q
March 30 2013, 02:59PM
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How weird was that seeing iggy in a pit jersey?! Felt more like an allstar game. Glad the deals done ! We need a future! Watching the pens play made me realize jus how horrid our team has been for soooo long! Can wait to have a you g team with just a couple veterans! Keep Glennx and Gio! Everyone else goes!

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#63 Captain Ron
March 30 2013, 03:01PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

Very true, see Sutter+Kiprusoff/Quick

Tim Thomas didn't hurt Claude Julien's reputation too much either.

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#64 the-wolf
March 30 2013, 03:04PM
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Iginla had 3 shots and 17 minutes ice time. Decent debut.

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#65 EricOG
March 30 2013, 03:06PM
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#66 Derzie
March 30 2013, 03:19PM
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Offer 1: Overrated Russian prospect and a Bag-of-Pucks D-prospect and a late 20s pick(conditional, not conditional, who knows). Offer 2: 2 above average college players and a late 20s pick. Offer 3: Mystery team. Mystery offer. BIG PICTURE: Iginla has earned the right to go where he wants. It's on Feaster to get the most out of it. BOTTOM LINE: The return is minimal, Iggy chose who he wanted and Feaster created a PR nightmare by jerking Boston around, and by showing his stupidity by thinking the Boston deal was better than the Pittsburg deal. This team's management is horrible. I see no current path to success and hope and pray that people use their wallets to get this fixed. Stop clogging up the Dome and swilling beer and nachos supporting this mess!

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#67 Victoria Flames Fan
March 30 2013, 03:31PM
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@Burning Sensation

I would still take Poulliot or Maata over a 30th Pick Overall and the two college boys.

... and that's still pretty marginal return for Iginla.

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#68 Michael
March 30 2013, 03:38PM
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Feaster wouldn't trade for Maata, he passed over the guy in the draft to select Jankowski.

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#69 meat1
March 30 2013, 03:40PM
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@ EricOG

You've been working on that all week I'll bet. Mosquitoes aren't as annoying as your comments. You are depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot.

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#70 Kmp
March 30 2013, 03:49PM
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On a positive note Dagastino looked good in a first round upset of Minnesota goal and assist, so did Hankowski in upset win over Notre Dame.

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#71 Kmp
March 30 2013, 03:52PM
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Kmp wrote:

On a positive note Dagastino looked good in a first round upset of Minnesota goal and assist, so did Hankowski in upset win over Notre Dame.

Agostino.

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#72 Captain Ron
March 30 2013, 03:56PM
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"The fact is, Calgary is run by children thinking themselves far cleverer than they really are." I'll politely disagree with this bit of trash.

"Pittsburgh has several high quality prospects (Maatta, Pouliot, Depres) that are almost assuredly worth more than the likely 28th-30th first round pick, and yet Feaster seemed entirely thrilled that he’d gotten an unconditional first round pick."

I sometimes think that there are people around here that have probably never negotiated anything in their lives but think that they have all the answers.

The Flames were bargaining all along from a position of weakness, not strength, and it was no secret. It is safe to say that if we knew that then so did everyone else. A you give us that guy and a first demand was not one that they were in a position to make for a 35 year old rental player even a high profile player like Iggy. Sure, a first round pick was a given in the return (a 25-30th pick in fact). As far as other prospects are concerned any of the other teams involved just said no to players like Matta, Pouliot, or Depres or whoever you think we should have got from anyone else for that matter. This is what we were offered over and above the first and that is it period. They probably "heard" if that's not good enough well then you can keep him. Remember that Chicago, Boston, LA, and Pittsburg all could win the cup without Iggy. If anything a case could be made for Iggy needing them more than they need him.

If they were making this deal a year or two ago then barking about the mediocre return would be much more appropriate than it is now.

And Chiarelli can say whatever he likes after the fact since he is covering his own arse in front of his fans and media.

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#73 Tenbrucelees
March 30 2013, 04:00PM
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@the-wolf

I thing burning sensation's comments are fair and justified. If you want to find someone who only indulges in opinionated tub thumping, I suggest you have a look in the mirror.

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#74 BurningSensation
March 30 2013, 04:04PM
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the-wolf wrote:

Are you on the Flames' payroll by chance? There's being a homer and all, but you come across as a professional apologetic.

No, are you on the Oilers? They have a similar inability to face reality.

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#75 BurningSensation
March 30 2013, 04:13PM
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Victoria Flames Fan wrote:

@Burning Sensation

I would still take Poulliot or Maata over a 30th Pick Overall and the two college boys.

... and that's still pretty marginal return for Iginla.

I agree about Pouliot (not sold on Maata), but that is a moot argument, as those guys weren't on offer any more than Crosby or Malkin was.

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#76 Primo
March 30 2013, 04:13PM
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I actually will put Feaster on a pedestal on this one. To me it was very obvious that Iginla would only accept a trade to the Pens. Given the loose lips scenario Pittsburg was obviously aware of this and had Feaster by the you know what. Rather than take the squeeze I like how Feaster created a competitive situation involving potentially 3 teams to the point where everyone thought the Boston deal was done. You can bet Shero was nervous and potentially sweetened things. I acknowledge the final deal was not perhaps as strong as it should have given the icon label on Iggy. I commend Feaster for getting a 1st rounder in a deep draft and a couple of prospects.

Job well done!!!

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#77 Veggie Dog
March 30 2013, 04:24PM
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Tenbrucelees wrote:

I thing burning sensation's comments are fair and justified. If you want to find someone who only indulges in opinionated tub thumping, I suggest you have a look in the mirror.

hear hear

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#78 Kevin R
March 30 2013, 04:31PM
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I don't think you'll see a first for Leo or Reggie. I could be wrong but that is very optimistic thinking on their part. Might depend on the level of desperation from the buyers though.

But if that happens then what would JBO bring? A first and a solid prospect at the very least?

LOL on the prostate checkup comparison.

Looks like St Louis coughed up a 2nd & a conditional 3rd for Leopold. Wonder if that takes St Louis out of the JBO sweepstakes now.

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#79 Kevin R
March 30 2013, 04:33PM
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Captain Ron wrote:

I don't think you'll see a first for Leo or Reggie. I could be wrong but that is very optimistic thinking on their part. Might depend on the level of desperation from the buyers though.

But if that happens then what would JBO bring? A first and a solid prospect at the very least?

LOL on the prostate checkup comparison.

Looks like St Louis coughed up a 2nd & a conditional 3rd for Leopold. Wonder if that takes St Louis out of the JBO sweepstakes now.

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#80 Kevin R
March 30 2013, 04:44PM
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Sorry for the double post. Too much dwelling in here about how this deal went down. If Iggy said he would only trade to Pitt, we would have been lucky to even get a 7th rounder back. If thats the only place he wanted to go, fine, he earned the type of contract he had & that was within his rights. Tired of hearing which side was the actual good guy. It was a bad situation & we got a 1st rounder & lets call it a day. I'm being selfish when I say I hope Iggy doesnt win a cup until next year so we get a better return, so I'm an idiot. Whatever. Because Mr KK is not saying this is a rebuild, I would think Jay will have 1 more year to show an improved product on the ice. When Jay hired Hartley last summer he said in an interview that the day I fire Bob will be the day we both go. Anyone want to bet this time next year if Flames are as godawful bad on the ice & Hartley doesnt know whats wrong, both of them will be packing. There is enough grounds to have Feaster removed but doing it now is not in the best interests of the team.

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#81 Willi P
March 30 2013, 04:51PM
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Kevin R wrote:

Looks like St Louis coughed up a 2nd & a conditional 3rd for Leopold. Wonder if that takes St Louis out of the JBO sweepstakes now.

It appears to the be a 2nd and a conditional 5th. Not that big of a difference but somebody posted they were expecting a 1st. Don't think RR gets Buffalo a 1st either.

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#82 Colin
March 30 2013, 04:59PM
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This one I'm more than willing to give the ole Feast or Famine a pass on. I can't remember if it was Twitter or a Friedmann peice, but essentially the NHL has said that submitting a "List" of teams means nothing to an actually trade, infact the player can't sign off on some list. The only time a player can sign off on a trade is when the trade call is made the player/agent will submit some paper work saying that he waives his NTC/NMC for that particular trade, there is no blanket waiver or NTC/NMC in the NHL.

Boston and Calgary probably thought they had a deal, Feaster probably wanted that deal or at least gave that deal to Iggy's camp and said we need something of similar value from the Pens camp before we are going to trade you.

Is the deal bad, sure it is, but most of us knew before hand that the deal was going to be bad, when was the last time a trade deadline deal for a rental player that was 35/36 years old got a return of a top 5 draftpick or a player projected to be a first line player?

Like, look what Hossa got when he went to the Pens, that return looks like Hot Garbage today, but at the time I remember people though that Atlanta made out alright for a guy they were about to lose for nothing anyways.

The way I look at it, we got something for nothing. He wasn't resigning, he has a better idea of where this team is headed than management and was moving on. The fact we got any sort of assests that can be either roster players or moved again for other assests in other deals if good enough.

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#83 DieHard
March 30 2013, 05:09PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

No, are you on the Oilers? They have a similar inability to face reality.

I believe the Oilers faced reality a few years ago. When will the Flames?

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#84 ALL THE WAY IN
March 30 2013, 05:50PM
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The only way this trade will workout is if Iginla intends to return to Calgary after he wins the cup. I say with him deciding to go to Pittsburgh the chances of him winning the cup and coming back home are substantial. One would like to think that a player who spent so many years with one franchise would be somewhat emotional leaving the team "forever". My nephew was distraught after learning Iggy was traded, yet not even sniffle from Jarome. He's coming back ...

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#85 dotfras
March 30 2013, 05:52PM
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Pretty sure I heard the word rebuild / retool from the mouth of Ken King on Leafs Radio. He isn't as unwilling to face reality as Feasto is.

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#86 BurningSensation
March 30 2013, 05:54PM
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Victoria Flames Fan wrote:

@Burning Sensation

I would still take Poulliot or Maata over a 30th Pick Overall and the two college boys.

... and that's still pretty marginal return for Iginla.

Perhaps, but by what yardstick are measuring this?

- He's a rental (end of season and gone) - he's 35-36 - His counting stats are in steady decline - His advanced stats are poor - There were three serious offers, only two of which included a 1st in this years draft (assuming the other team is LA their 1st is in 2014)

I'm just thrilled we got a 1st for him, the prospects are gravy.

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#87 BurningSensation
March 30 2013, 06:05PM
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DieHard wrote:

I believe the Oilers faced reality a few years ago. When will the Flames?

I'd say that they are staring reality in the face right now.

Feaster's interview on the Fan included the recognition that there is a huge gap in the current roster of talent 22-29 years old, and that they need to rectify that gap as well as rebuild the prospect pipeline.

The Flames 'original sin' was Sutter dealing Phaneuf for s bag of hockeytape and Zombie Matt Stajan. His preference for trading away 2nd rnd picks and drafting refrigerators who can't skate slashed the Achilles tendons of pour development system.

To fix things he had to be gassed.

Compare to theOilers where the same guys who drove the bus off a cliff are still around trying to figure out how to build a team around all the high picks they have accumulated through persistent failure.

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#88 backburner
March 30 2013, 06:28PM
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A lot of speculation here on Iggy handcuffing Feaster... so lets just clear the air.. here are the facts:

1) The return from Pittsburgh was Feasters fault, not Iggy's. Iggy wasn't making the trade. It's Weisbrod's obsession with College boys that made that deal. The same Weisbrod that wanted Jankowski over Maatta, Ceci and Teravainen at the draft.

2) Iggy did submit a list of four teams, three made pitches. Feaster narrowed it down to Boston and Pittsburgh, and then asked Iggy where he wanted to go. Iggy picked Pittsburgh. He had every right within his contract to do that.

3) The Boston deal was slightly better, but let's be honest... aside from the late first round picks, those prospects aren't even close to being NHL ready. There were only four prospects the Flames should have considered: Spooner, Krug, Pouliot and Maatta.

Feaster has had more than enough time to shop Iggy, so I don't buy the "something is better than nothing" bit.

Feaster and Weisbrod helped make this "King-Sized" bed, now we all have to lay in it.

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#89 DieHard
March 30 2013, 06:36PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

I'd say that they are staring reality in the face right now.

Feaster's interview on the Fan included the recognition that there is a huge gap in the current roster of talent 22-29 years old, and that they need to rectify that gap as well as rebuild the prospect pipeline.

The Flames 'original sin' was Sutter dealing Phaneuf for s bag of hockeytape and Zombie Matt Stajan. His preference for trading away 2nd rnd picks and drafting refrigerators who can't skate slashed the Achilles tendons of pour development system.

To fix things he had to be gassed.

Compare to theOilers where the same guys who drove the bus off a cliff are still around trying to figure out how to build a team around all the high picks they have accumulated through persistent failure.

Why compare to the Oilers? They both have different reasons/causes for bottoming out.

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#90 Willi P
March 30 2013, 06:40PM
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backburner wrote:

A lot of speculation here on Iggy handcuffing Feaster... so lets just clear the air.. here are the facts:

1) The return from Pittsburgh was Feasters fault, not Iggy's. Iggy wasn't making the trade. It's Weisbrod's obsession with College boys that made that deal. The same Weisbrod that wanted Jankowski over Maatta, Ceci and Teravainen at the draft.

2) Iggy did submit a list of four teams, three made pitches. Feaster narrowed it down to Boston and Pittsburgh, and then asked Iggy where he wanted to go. Iggy picked Pittsburgh. He had every right within his contract to do that.

3) The Boston deal was slightly better, but let's be honest... aside from the late first round picks, those prospects aren't even close to being NHL ready. There were only four prospects the Flames should have considered: Spooner, Krug, Pouliot and Maatta.

Feaster has had more than enough time to shop Iggy, so I don't buy the "something is better than nothing" bit.

Feaster and Weisbrod helped make this "King-Sized" bed, now we all have to lay in it.

Thanks for clearing that up BB.

Oh, by the way, what is your title with the Flames as it's clear you must have been in the room by stating these "facts"

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#91 the-wolf
March 30 2013, 06:49PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

No, are you on the Oilers? They have a similar inability to face reality.

Wow. Pot calling kettle black. Flames never do wrong in your book and I need to face reality?

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#92 the-wolf
March 30 2013, 06:52PM
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I thing burning sensation's comments are fair and justified. If you want to find someone who only indulges in opinionated tub thumping, I suggest you have a look in the mirror.

Really? Callin someone's question stupid? Grow up. 12 year old sycophants post on CP forums.

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#93 backburner
March 30 2013, 06:58PM
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Willi P wrote:

Thanks for clearing that up BB.

Oh, by the way, what is your title with the Flames as it's clear you must have been in the room by stating these "facts"

Anything I've stated is common knowledge. If you have an issue with you should say exactly what it is... or shut up.

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#94 Colin
March 30 2013, 07:01PM
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@backburner

The return from Pittsburgh wasn't Feasters "fault", it's reality for the going rate of a declining mid 30s past his prime power forward with declining performance. Throw in the fact he has a full NMC and that pretty well EVERYONE knew he wanted to go to Pittsburgh, what are you gonna do. Keep holding onto that assest despite the fact the return was never gonna get better, he had four teams bidding and the bruins offer and pitt offer were the best he got and neither were really good. What should he have done? Not make the trade and watch him walk away in the summer for nothing? Be happy he at least did this much.

Yes Weisbrod has some sort of fascination with guys out of college(or just not out of the CHL) for some reason, don't know why. We'll see if this strategy works at all(I have my doubts) but for now, we got something for someone that in 2 months wasn't going to be a FLame anyways.

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#95 clyde
March 30 2013, 07:19PM
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Agostino with another big goal to lead Yale into the National Semi Final. Watched him the last 2 days and the kid is all over the puck and has very good vision.

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#96 Willi P
March 30 2013, 07:22PM
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backburner wrote:

Anything I've stated is common knowledge. If you have an issue with you should say exactly what it is... or shut up.

Nice comeback BB.

Anywho, what you stated is your opinion, which is what this forum is for. However your opinions are not facts.

The only people that know what truly happened are the people involved.

You blame Feaster because of Weisbrod. If you heard Ken King in interviews, The Fan, Sportsnet, it was a owner/president/GM group decision. Feaster could not sign off on this deal alone.

With regards to Jankowski, even though I don't agree with picking him, only time will tell if it was the right choice.

You assume that Feaster made the deal and then had to clear it with Iggy. Perhaps Feaster felt he had the right to pick any of the 4 teams' deals without Iggy's approval because those were the teams he chose. The only FACT here is that you or I will never truly know what happended in the room.

Have a rainbow day :)

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#97 meat1
March 30 2013, 07:51PM
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I have followed your comments here for some time. And I agree with you more times than not. Many more. Good news on our new returns! What are your thoughts on our next few days? I know you would like to see change, as would I.

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#98 meat1
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@ clyde

My bad. That last post was for you.

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#99 BurningSensation
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Wow. Pot calling kettle black. Flames never do wrong in your book and I need to face reality?

First you whine about the need to trade Iggy, now you whine about the return.

It's positively Gretzky-esque. Minus all the talent and wealth of course.

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#100 dotfras
March 30 2013, 07:58PM
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I bet if we had a winning team we wouldn't be fighting semantics with each other

:)

Fun to see Iginla play today. There was one shift in particular where the Iggy, Malkin, Neal line absolutely dominated the cycle down low, they had a ton of momentum & then guess who....Desprea gives Grabner a breakaway pass.

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