Flames All Time Top 10 Draft Picks – #1 Theoren Fleury

Justin Azevedo
March 04 2013 01:13PM

Theoren Fleury

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Theo.

For an entire generation of Flames fans - hell, even Calgarians - those four letters were and still are instantly recognizable. Hearing them brings back one specific memory, maybe two, right away. The full-ice celebration, his first 50-goal season, breaking Al MacInnis' franchise record of 823 points, winning gold in '02 or the shootout goal against the Islanders, depending on the person.

He was able to put together a career out of seemingly nothing, becoming one of the greatest players in franchise history. Even though he dealt with numerous personal demons throughout the course of his career, Fleury still scored at a point-per-game pace over his 1084 contests: 455 goals and 633 assists.

Most of the players on this list I didn't see in Flames colours, either because I wasn’t alive or because I lacked the cognitive ability to remember them playing. Theo, however, was different. I went to his hockey schools, had my jerseys autographed by him, wrote a letter to Harley Hotchkiss on his behalf (or so I thought) when he was traded asking for Al Coates to be fired and continued to follow him around the league as best as an 8-year-old could.

My first Flames memory was of Jarome Iginla's OT goal in the 95 playoffs, but my favorite Flames memories until the 04 run were mostly made up of Theo moments. Goals, celebrations, that dumb Jofa helmet - all of it made me want to grow up to be like him.

Starting Out

Even the earliest years of Fleury's life weren't without turmoil: from the moment he was born on June 29th, 1968, it was clear most of his life would be an uphill battle. His father, an excellent hockey player in his own right, suffered a leg injury in 1963 that eventually turned into an alcohol addiction. His mother, a devout Jehovah's Witness, battled substance abuse and drug addiction off and on for many years. Fleury's racial background was also a point of abuse growing up: being of Métis heritage left him open to some less than ideal treatment at the hands of children growing up.

As a result, Fleury became quite aggressive in his early years, so it made amazing sense for him to turn to hockey as an outlet. While he didn't make a huge splash on the provincial or national scene as he moved up the ranks - mostly because of his location in small-town Russell, Manitoba - he did impress on the ice.

When he was 13 years old, Fleury suffered a laceration to his forearm that kept him from playing for almost a month, and as a bit of a boost to the kid the town raised some cash to send him to the Andy Murray hockey school in Brandon that summer. Graham James was a scout at the time, and watching Fleury he realized that Theo had immense skill, and promised him that even though he lacked size he would recruit him to play in a Major Junior league as soon as Fleury was of age.

When Fleury turned 15, he started his season with the St. James Canadians of the MJHL, a Junior A league. He scored 33 goals and 31 assists in the team's first 22 games, completely dominating the league in the process.

Junior

Fleury was brought up to the WHL in 1984 to play for the Moose Jaw Warriors, where he continued his torrid pace - 75 points in 71 games as a 16-year-old.

Fleury was consistently one of the best players in the league throughout his entire WHL career, often being mentioned in the same breath as Joe Sakic. In his 19-year-old season, he compiled one of the most ridiculous stat lines in Dub history: 68 goals, 92 assists and 235 penalty minutes in just 65 games.

He also represented the national Junior team twice as a member of the Warriors, once in 1987 (where he played a key role in the game that eventually came to be known as the Punch-Up in Piestany) and also in 1988, where he captained the team to the gold medal.

Fleury was drafted in the 8th round by the Flames, likely without any expectation that he would make it to the show. However, Fleury surprised many scoring 23 points in just 10 games with the Flames' IHL affiliate, Salt Lake. Understandably, expectations were quite high for Theo when he arrived in Calgary for the team's 1988 training camp, but he disappointed many showing up 10 kilos overweight. From there he was assigned back to the IHL, where he led the league in scoring after 40 games with 37 goals and 37 assists.

The Flames recalled him on New Year's Day, 1989, and from that point on Fleury was a consistent fixture in the Flames lineup.

Calgary

Upon arriving in Calgary, the Flames were mired in quite the slump, and as a result Fleury got to see some prime minutes right out of the gate. He took advantage of those minutes, as he would finish the regular season with 34 points in 36 games at the NHL level. He would further tally 11 points in the playoffs and the team would win the Stanley Cup at the Montreal Forum - the only non-Canadiens team to clinch on Forum ice.

The next few years were replete with scoring: 31/35/80, 51/53/79, 30/40/80, 34/66/83, 40/45/83. Fleury made the NHL All-Star game 3 times before the lockout of 1995, and with the departures and retirements of many Flames stars due to trades, contractual issues or simply age, Fleury was left as the only true star in Flames silks. He would score his 500th point that shortened season.

Prior to 1995-1996 Fleury was without a contract. He held out briefly until signing a 5-year, $12 million dollar deal, which at the time was even amazingly below market value, paying him just $2.4 million per year.

The next few seasons were a struggle for both Fleury and the Flames, as the lack of talent surrounding him (as a result of the reduced financial viability of the franchise) made it extremely difficult for him to garner points at his previous rates. He was still recognized by the greater community at large, though, earning a spot on the 1998 Olympic team.

By the next season, it became apparent the Flames were going to struggle to find the cash a player of Fleury's calibre required. Having already taken one sweetheart deal to help the Flames out, he refused a 4-year, $16 million dollar offer (Fleury's minimum demands were for a contract 5/25) and as a result the Flames opted to trade him to the Colorado Avalanche for two guys that sucked and Robyn Regehr (who would be in a car accident that summer, completely destroying his knees). The Flames were only two points out of a playoff spot at the time and likely would have reached the post season had a new contract been signed.

Colorado, New York and Chicago

Fleury would play his first game for the Avs in Denver the day after he was traded. Stepping onto the ice for the first time, he was bombarded by chants of "Theo, Theo, Theo" like he was in Calgary.

Fleury played only 33 games for the Avalanche, as he became a free agent and signed a 3-year, $21 million dollar contract with the Rangers in the summer. Life on and off the ice was hard for Fleury in New York, as he scored only 15 goals in his first season with the Blueshirts. He later stated that living in New York was likely one of the worst things possible for him at the time: he was having marital issues and was dealing with addiction to multiple substances.

In fact, Fleury would enter an NHL-sanctioned program for substance and emotional distress over the summer, and while it helped him briefly, it did not result in any major long-term change.

However, Fleury returned to action and was leading the Rangers in scoring with 74 points in 62 games during the 2000-2001 season until a night that he would later describe as one of the worst of his life - after a loss at MSG, Fleury went to a Brooklyn strip club where he spent more than $100,000 on lap dances, alcohol, cocaine and a trip to the roulette table at a casino. He would end up in a bathroom that night with a gun in his mouth, but did not pull the trigger. When he didn't show up for practice the next day, Glen Sather called the missing persons department of the NYPD. Fleury was passed out in the bathtub when the officers found him, and as a result Fleury's season ended with another mandatory entrance into the league's substance abuse program.

Despite that, Fleury got a chance to play for Canada at the 2002 Olympics in Salt Lake City, winning gold for Canada for the first time in 50 years. Upon returning to the Rangers in March, he continued to play well, but as a result of his substance abuse issues was not resigned by the Rangers.

The Chicago Blackhawks did offer him a two-year, $8.5 million dollar contract, which Fleury accepted but two days before the opening of the 02/03 season he tested positive again for narcotics and was suspended by the league for violating the terms of the substance abuse program. Fleury would only play 54 games for the Blackhawks and saw his stock as a hockey player drop considerably after he cleared waivers in March of 2003. Fleury tested positive once more and was given an indefinite suspension by the NHL, causing him to miss the last year of his contract.

Without an NHL deal, Fleury bounced around multiple professional teams in Alberta, the United Kingdom and Europe. The lockout of 2005 made it impossible for teams to sign him that summer, and for all intents and purposes, that combined with his ongoing indefinite suspension by the league spelled the end of his career.

Back Home

Fleury would return to Calgary in the mid-2000s, where he engaged in a number of ventures: starting a concrete business, playing with the Calgary Vipers, investing in multiple restaurants, starting a clothing line, writing a biography/autobiography and competing in Battle of the Blades.

However, one thing always weighed on Fleury: not finishing his career as a Flame. As such, he attempted a comeback with the Flames for their 30th season in 2009-2010. Even though he didn't make the team, he did score 4 points in 4 games and gave us this:

After he was cut from the team, he held a press conference announcing his retirement at the Saddledome, stating:

I get to retire a Calgary Flame. I HAD to retire a Calgary Flame. It’s been a long journey. It’s time to put down some roots, and there’s no better place than here.

The fact that he went through what he did with substance abuse, alcoholism and being sexually abused by Graham James and is still alive is amazing. I don't know what it's like to be used in a way like that, and I probably can't even begin to fathom how it weighed on Fleury as he kept it a secret; and as a result the fallout from the abuse is understandable in my eyes. I'm not forgiving him or absolving him of all responsibility, but certainly a substantial amount.

Self-medication is a terrible thing, and something that generally only ends in failure when something of that magnitude is the cause of grief. For Fleury to go through all that he did and now live as normal a life as possible is amazing to me.

He's one of the greatest Flames of all time, has been and will continue to be looked upon as an advocate against sexual abuse and has figured his life - and hopefully, most of his pain - out. I'm proud of him, and even though the magnitude of his triumphs far outweighs the accolades he's received, I still believe he deserves to be in the Hockey Hall of Fame and have his number retired - but more importantly, he story should just be known.

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Justin is a 23-year-old Flames fan who also happens to be pursuing a double major at the University of Calgary. He has played hockey at high levels, enjoys wearing shorts and tends to drink far too much Grasshopper. Please don't hate him.
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#1 shutout
March 04 2013, 01:37PM
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Best player in Flames history when it came to talent, heart, and desire. The ultimate captain and leader on the ice.

Have to wonder if the 2009-10 season would have resulted in a playoff spot had the Flames kept him on the roster.

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#2 bookofloob
March 04 2013, 01:43PM
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@shutout

It wouldn't have, but that will never take away from how amazing Theo was.

Thanks vedo, this was great.

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#3 Subversive
March 04 2013, 01:47PM
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This is a nice write up. Well done.

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#4 Domebeers.com
March 04 2013, 01:49PM
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Grasshopper? *Pukes

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#5 Rain Dogs
March 04 2013, 01:58PM
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The funny thing is, in an article about the greatest draft picks, you never mentioned perhaps the most noteworthy number about Theo Fleury:

166.

Taken in the very end of the 8th round, 166th overall, Theo wasn't just the greatest draft pick in Flames history, he's got to be one of the greatest draft picks of all time.

It's not often that a near 9th rounder goes on to score over 1000pts, over 450goals, become a multiple all-star, and team captain.

Considering his size 5'6", his serious arm injury, and enough demons for ten peoples closets, his NHL accomplishments are near miraculous. And I don't for a minute think, that in this case, that is hyperbole.

Robitaille, of course, and perhaps Hasek could be seen as better picks... but we all know they just got lucky.

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#6 Clay
March 04 2013, 02:00PM
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Reichel was robbed!

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#7 Scary Gary
March 04 2013, 02:05PM
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Thanks Justin.

One thing, I'd thought Regehr had broken both his legs, then underwent surgery in which two screws were inserted into his left leg and the fracture in his right leg was set. His knees were fine to my knowledge.

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#8 TheoForever
March 04 2013, 02:29PM
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Greatest Flame of all time and my favorite player. He was all heart, never backed down from anyone. Unstoppable force of nature. The whole world was against him and he would prove everyone wrong. He played every shift like it was going to be his last. He was Calgary Flames for a long time.

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#9 Willi P
March 04 2013, 02:31PM
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Still wish the Flames had signed him after that shoot out goal. He still may have been playing today.

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#10 mikeH
March 04 2013, 02:32PM
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I love the way he used to do the "Yakupov Slide".

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#11 the-wolf
March 04 2013, 02:33PM
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bookofloob wrote:

It wouldn't have, but that will never take away from how amazing Theo was.

Thanks vedo, this was great.

I'm not so sure. It definately would've given the team some heart and frankly, I think Theo would've put up points. But you can't unseat King Iginla from his throne, and Theo upstaging Jarome in the leardership dept. couldn't be tolerated.

Heck, even if they used him just against other team's 3rd line, the pp and shootouts Calgary would've made the playoffs.

I'm sure Darryl had his marching orders from KK and ownership on that situation too.

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#12 Willi P
March 04 2013, 02:37PM
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the-wolf wrote:

I'm not so sure. It definately would've given the team some heart and frankly, I think Theo would've put up points. But you can't unseat King Iginla from his throne, and Theo upstaging Jarome in the leardership dept. couldn't be tolerated.

Heck, even if they used him just against other team's 3rd line, the pp and shootouts Calgary would've made the playoffs.

I'm sure Darryl had his marching orders from KK and ownership on that situation too.

@wolf

I agree with you in regards that with Theo, I think they would have made the playoffs. Butter said he would have to make the top 6 which was really stupid IMO given the lack of talent in the bottom 6

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#13 schevvy
March 04 2013, 02:41PM
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@the-wolf

Oh come on wolf I guarantee Iggy had absolutely nothing to do with Theo not making the team.

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#16 beloch
March 04 2013, 02:55PM
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Gaudreau is unlikely to be another Fleury, but I still hope he's watching tapes of Fleury's old games for inspiration. Fleury wasn't a softy who shied away from contact and relied purely on skill to score points. He really could "disappear" mid-ice when he wanted to, but he was just as likely to throw every last pound of his frame into some poor guy's chin. He wasn't afraid to drop the gloves either. Truly, he had the biggest heart of any player to put on the flaming C.

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#17 Vintage Flame
March 04 2013, 02:56PM
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Rain Dogs wrote:

The funny thing is, in an article about the greatest draft picks, you never mentioned perhaps the most noteworthy number about Theo Fleury:

166.

Taken in the very end of the 8th round, 166th overall, Theo wasn't just the greatest draft pick in Flames history, he's got to be one of the greatest draft picks of all time.

It's not often that a near 9th rounder goes on to score over 1000pts, over 450goals, become a multiple all-star, and team captain.

Considering his size 5'6", his serious arm injury, and enough demons for ten peoples closets, his NHL accomplishments are near miraculous. And I don't for a minute think, that in this case, that is hyperbole.

Robitaille, of course, and perhaps Hasek could be seen as better picks... but we all know they just got lucky.

Props +1!!

Jazzy might just have to edit your post into the article!

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#18 the-wolf
March 04 2013, 02:57PM
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schevvy wrote:

Oh come on wolf I guarantee Iggy had absolutely nothing to do with Theo not making the team.

I'm not saying Iggy, but KK and Murray. I don't think they wanted him there. Maybe not for the reason I state, but for some reason (not signing that last deal offered before leaving to the Avs maybe?). How close were they that season? The heart he would've provided, even if you had to rest him some games and the shootout difference alone might've put Calgary in there.

It was never going to happen though and not for the reason that idiot Eric Francis likes to give about how all the Flames players were smirking because Theo was a joke out there. Exhibition or not, 4 points in 4 games from anyone else would've gotten a contract. I mean, look at some of the guys we do sign. Steve Begin, anyone?

I call foul.

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#19 the-wolf
March 04 2013, 03:01PM
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beloch wrote:

Gaudreau is unlikely to be another Fleury, but I still hope he's watching tapes of Fleury's old games for inspiration. Fleury wasn't a softy who shied away from contact and relied purely on skill to score points. He really could "disappear" mid-ice when he wanted to, but he was just as likely to throw every last pound of his frame into some poor guy's chin. He wasn't afraid to drop the gloves either. Truly, he had the biggest heart of any player to put on the flaming C.

Outside of a skill level that is probably as high as anyone (minus maybe 5 guys) whoever played an a ferocity to his game matched only by very few (the Rocket, Killer, Messier), the difference with Theo vs other really small guys was his build. Built like a brick sh*thouse, as it were. So wide and short and such a low center of gravity that knocking him over was incredibly difficult.

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#20 NHL93
March 04 2013, 03:11PM
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the-wolf wrote:

I'm not saying Iggy, but KK and Murray. I don't think they wanted him there. Maybe not for the reason I state, but for some reason (not signing that last deal offered before leaving to the Avs maybe?). How close were they that season? The heart he would've provided, even if you had to rest him some games and the shootout difference alone might've put Calgary in there.

It was never going to happen though and not for the reason that idiot Eric Francis likes to give about how all the Flames players were smirking because Theo was a joke out there. Exhibition or not, 4 points in 4 games from anyone else would've gotten a contract. I mean, look at some of the guys we do sign. Steve Begin, anyone?

I call foul.

I think it had more to do with his age/conditioning. Do you think he'd be a decent option 20 or 40 games into a season? Someone away from the game for that long? I just don't see the guy being effective deep into the season.

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#21 SmellOfVictory
March 04 2013, 03:18PM
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bookofloob wrote:

It wouldn't have, but that will never take away from how amazing Theo was.

Thanks vedo, this was great.

Maybe via butterfly effect, if we decide that's a thing. It would've been cool to see him play a full season, either way.

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#22 meat1
March 04 2013, 03:29PM
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Could this team use another Theo right now, or what! All heart, and more than enough talent to translate the two into a superstar.

I wish they would retire the numbers of Theo and some of the other legends we've had. What a shame. It's not like we need rafter space to hang any banners or pennants. Better leadership from the Flames braintrust would correct this error.

All successful businesses, whether its a restaurant, or an oil company, or a convenience store, etc, have incredibly good people at the top. It does trickle down. The Flames do not have a strong enough presence at their upper management.

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#23 bookofloob
March 04 2013, 03:30PM
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Guys, Theo himself admitted that while he had the head and the hands for the game still, he had lost the legs.

You could tell in those preseason games.The drive was there, the desire was there, the creativity was there, and it will always be there.

But he had a hard time catching up. One of the reasons that penalty shot looked so great is because he had no one chasing him.

Theo is the best. He defined this organization for a decade, and he was fun to watch. We should focus on how dominant he was for years and forever focus how he overcame all his demons and is championing the cause to help prevent the things that happened to him from ever happening to anyone else again

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#24 schevvy
March 04 2013, 03:40PM
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It's a crying shame Theo's number isn't in the rafters of the Dome. The #2 scorer in franchise history, and he's not up there. Shame on you ownership. I don't think his number's getting up there anytime soon unfortunately.

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#25 danglesnipecelly
March 04 2013, 04:44PM
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The first jersey I ever owned... Loved Theo. My girlfriend made him a sandwich at Subway years ago and got his autograph on a napkin, great guy!

Anyway off topic but good news:The league announced Monday that all 14 teams that miss the playoffs, or the teams that hold the rights to the top 14 picks, will be eligible for the No. 1 draft pick.

The lottery, which will be held April 29, will be weighted with the teams having the fewest points in the regular season having the best chance of winning.

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#26 SmellOfVictory
March 04 2013, 04:48PM
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bookofloob wrote:

Guys, Theo himself admitted that while he had the head and the hands for the game still, he had lost the legs.

You could tell in those preseason games.The drive was there, the desire was there, the creativity was there, and it will always be there.

But he had a hard time catching up. One of the reasons that penalty shot looked so great is because he had no one chasing him.

Theo is the best. He defined this organization for a decade, and he was fun to watch. We should focus on how dominant he was for years and forever focus how he overcame all his demons and is championing the cause to help prevent the things that happened to him from ever happening to anyone else again

Two words: PP specialist. I'd rather have had him on the team than guys like Boyd, McGrattan, or Mayers, for example. He couldn't have been any slower than Andrew Brunette, and that dude was a useful player in a lot of situations.

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#27 Victoria Flames Fan
March 04 2013, 05:27PM
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Although Kent Nilsson was my first Flames hero, Theo remains my favourite all-time Flame.

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#28 Franko J
March 04 2013, 06:28PM
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Best Player drafted by the Flames by far. Embodied full passion for the game. Can only imagine how much better he would have been if he played without those personal demons and took his fitness level to the next level. Too bad the current Flames roster doesn't have a player who has the same drive, skill and heart. It will quite some time when the Flames will have a player of his calibre on this club. (That they have drafted and developed.)

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#29 Joey Lindstrom
March 04 2013, 07:07PM
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Error corrections:

1) Iginla's debut with the Flames was in the '96 playoffs, not '95.

2) The Flames were the only team to ever clinch a Stanley Cup in the Forum against the Canadiens, but they were not, as you stated, the only non-Canadiens team to ever win the Cup there. The Montreal Maroons won two Cups there, and the New York Rangers defeated the Maroons there in the 1928 Final (the entire series was played in Montreal as the Gardens were unavailable).

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#30 meat1
March 04 2013, 07:14PM
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This story just goes to show why we have to begin KEEPING our draft picks. To say that we "don't pick right, anyway..." carries no weight with me. We must draft better, and we must give ourselves more chances at draft day. I realize it won't fix things overnight, but an organization as solid as this one, (I didn't say successful), can look at a bigger picture than the short-term fix we currently aim for.

For example, giving New Jersey a fifth round pick for PL3 was an absolute joke. It might explain NJ's record compared to our's in the last 15 years.

So many fans want to be so proud of this team. The person who chimes in from Atlanta (supposedly) must realize that we who post comments, do it only because we care about our team and its future.

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#31 Canucks Suck
March 04 2013, 10:11PM
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Theo is the best guy I got to meet him once and he signed my flames hat :D. I shed a tear when he scored that shootout goal.

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#32 Curt
March 05 2013, 10:28AM
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It gave me shivers to read this article. Theo will be number one four life.

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#33 Captain Ron
March 06 2013, 12:19PM
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the-wolf wrote:

I'm not so sure. It definately would've given the team some heart and frankly, I think Theo would've put up points. But you can't unseat King Iginla from his throne, and Theo upstaging Jarome in the leardership dept. couldn't be tolerated.

Heck, even if they used him just against other team's 3rd line, the pp and shootouts Calgary would've made the playoffs.

I'm sure Darryl had his marching orders from KK and ownership on that situation too.

Hopefully you don't believe your own BS. Your own spiteful comment goes well beyond any reasoning.

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#34 Captain Ron
March 06 2013, 12:22PM
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Scary Gary wrote:

Thanks Justin.

One thing, I'd thought Regehr had broken both his legs, then underwent surgery in which two screws were inserted into his left leg and the fracture in his right leg was set. His knees were fine to my knowledge.

You are correct. He told me this during a casual conversation when we were paired up at a golf tournament a few years ago.

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#35 Captain Ron
March 06 2013, 12:28PM
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Nice read Justin. Growing up a Jets fan in Wpg I always loved watching him play even though he was a major PITA. He was the epidomy of "size of fight in the dog". Love what he is doing with his life now. If you have not read his book yet I highly recommend it.

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#36 the-wolf
March 06 2013, 12:28PM
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Captain Ron wrote:

Hopefully you don't believe your own BS. Your own spiteful comment goes well beyond any reasoning.

Sorry, I didn't mean to interfere with your hero worship. Please resume.

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#37 Captain Ron
March 07 2013, 01:59AM
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@The Wolf

I was referring to this utter nonsense:

"But you can't unseat King Iginla from his throne, and Theo upstaging Jarome in the leadership dept. couldn't be tolerated".

Hero worship? I don't even know what you are talking about.

Just calling it the way I see it.

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#38 the-wolf
March 07 2013, 11:05AM
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Captain Ron wrote:

@The Wolf

I was referring to this utter nonsense:

"But you can't unseat King Iginla from his throne, and Theo upstaging Jarome in the leadership dept. couldn't be tolerated".

Hero worship? I don't even know what you are talking about.

Just calling it the way I see it.

That's fair and maybe my comment was over-the-top, so my apologies.

However, I stand by that quote. Calgary management clearly wants this to be Jarome's team. Fleury would have had absolutely no fear or shame in calling him out in the dressing room, maybe even publicly. There's no way KK or Edwards would allow that to happen. They wouldn't even allow Regehr or Dion to remain on the team and yeah, there's other reasons in there, but it's my belief that when it comes to butting heads with Jarome, you're gonna lose.

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#39 Captain Ron
March 07 2013, 01:02PM
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Hey no worries. Not sure if you will get back here to read this but here goes....

I think there is some merit in what you are saying but when I read your comment I was trying to imagine the scenario where Theo shows up and is say good enough to have an impact on the Flames the way Teemu does on the Ducks, only to be sent packing to protect Iggy's turf. It didn't seem to make sense.

I watched Theo play in those preseason games and though you could see that the some skill and desire was still there he was clearly a little too slow. I was in the building when he scored that goal and it gave me shivers watching it again. Perfect way for him to ride off into the sunset.

And yes I would agree that butting heads with Jarome too often is likely a ticket out of town. You are certainly right in saying that Theo would have spoke his mind at least in the dressing room, and maybe publicly.

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#40 the-wolf
March 07 2013, 01:39PM
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Of course I read it......weird when there's only 2 people left on a post, isn't it?

I still believe that Theo's heart and never-quit attitude and outspokenness would've helped the Flames that season, and more so his shoot-out ability. But 10 minutes/game max against 3rd liners, rested lots of other games. Which is kind of sad when you're looking at a part-time player to put a team over the hump, but there it is. I've never had delusions of Theo being Selanne, but I don't think Jarome has been 'all-in' for about 4 seasons, so I could see a clash there. 'Past legend calls out current legend.' Not good.

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#41 Captain Ron
March 07 2013, 04:59PM
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Yup its weird. Cavernous almost. Got the place all to ourselves. What are we supposed to do now? Quit I guess.

I wonder how epic the arguments between those two would been?

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