Post Game: Same As It Ever Was

bookofloob
April 18 2013 09:11AM

 

 

Was it Benjamin Franklin, or maybe even Roger Millions, who coined the famous quote "Nothing is certain except for death, taxes, and the Flames beating the Red Wings"?

(I'm pretty sure it was Ben Franklin, but I'm willing to admit that I didn't do the research on that one)

Regardless, it was business as usual for the Flames on this night, as the Flames do what they always do (beat the Red Wings), with the players that have typically been the drivers of their success in the past (Kiprusoff and Begin)

Kipper's prowess and two pretty goals by Begin were the keys to the game as your Calgary Flames triumphed 3-2 over the Detroit Red Wings Presented By Amway (shoutout to Ryan Lambert), and sent Flames home unhappy, somehow.

Break It Down

This game was a fast paced, tactically solid game with the scoring chances cominZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzZZZZZZZZZZZZzZZZZZZ...

*annnyunghhh*

Sorry about that, I have sleep apnea.

Indeed, tonight's tilt was not one I would describe as one for the ages, certainly not through the first period. The Flames did make things worth staying awake for after some pretty passing by the second best Swiss player in the Flames system, Sven Baertschi (obviously Reto Berra is THE BEST, come on now), who guided a pretty no-look cross ice pass to Flames 4th best defenseman Cory Sarich, who himself returned the favour for bonkers no look passes to a wide open Lee Stempniak, who made no mistake as he buried his 9th of the season (also giving him 29 points on the season, which gives him sole possession of the team lead in points at 29, just in case you're wondering why the Flames find themselves battling for a Draft Lottery win right now)

Ya Stempniaked!

(I thought for sure Stajan touched that puck en route to Stemps, robbing him of an assist in his return to the lineup, but hey, who am I to deny Sven a 3 game point streak?)

Chances were 7-6 for Calgary after 1, marking the last time they were controlling the play for this game's eternity.

The Red Wings tied itt up in the second on a goal by some guy I've never heard of, but evidently is supposed to be pretty good despite not having scored in l;ike 800 previous games. So I guess he showed us what's up on that one, and good for him.

But it was the biggest story of the second period, that being "Detroit doing things". The Wings outshot Calgary 11-2 and outchanced them 6-2 in the second, and it was ugly. If not for Miikka Kiprusoff returning to vintage form, the game could have been over right there. Of note, though, was that the Wings controlling the play were not the usual suspects in Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Franzen. No, it appeared as if the Wings bottom 6 and wherever the hell Dan Cleary slots in on that team that controlled the play over the Flames' kids, and when I saw Datsyuk cough up the puck midway through the second period, it was the first time I could remember seeing him in the game.

The third period was the Steve Begin Show.

Begin, who was drafted by the Flames all the way back in 1996, and has spent his entire storied career lighting the lamp for your Calgary Flames ever since (but I sure don't need to tell you fans that, we've all been here to witness it!), took over in the third period, as he had newly YMCMB'd Wings goalie Jimmy Howard scratching his head and wondering why he should even bother trying to stop that level of elite offensive skill (which he didn't).

Begin scored 2 third period markers, both through his patented "Begin Dangle", in which his grit and skill coupled together and created poetry on ice, as he swiftly outbattled the fleet footed Howard behind the net and either let the Wings put the puck in the net for him, or took the honours himself.

They were the standards for which all future goals in this league will be measured against. Good luck, NHL.

Mason Raymond scored on a weak flip shot from outside the zone late, but.....I'm being told Mason Raymond wasn't playing in the game tonight, nor has he ever played for the Detroit Red Wings. I'm told Franzen scored the goal, but I'm not convinced. Anyway, it was a comically stinky goal, but we should not let us deter that from the effort Kipper put up tonight.

3-2 Flames. 

Kiprusoff The Greatest

I wanted to give Begin the player of the game on this one, because the Flames did announce that Kipper would start Friday, and he scored 2 goals, and blah blah blah, Steve Begin is not the player of the game. It's all out Miikka on this one.

The effort that Kiprusoff gave on this night was classic Miikka, and of course it was, because we all thought it was going to be Kipper's Last Stand. Here we had an opportunity to maybe send off the best goaltender this franchise has ever known, and he made it worth our while. Sure, the Franzen goal was ugly, but he made 36 saves, and a lot of them were 5 bell scoring chances, and he turned them aside with the grace and poise we had come to know from the Finnish netminder prior to this season.

It really would have been the best way for Kip to leave the scene in Calgary (if he does in fact retire this offseason), but hey, he's got a chance to do it one more time on Friday, so here's hoping he's got another one in him.

Why The Flames Won

Kipper. Begin (as always). Stempniak. Howard. Hockey Gods. Intangibles. Shout out to the Angry Flames Lady.

Scoring Chances

 

# Player EV     PP     SH    
3 CARSON, BRETT 07:22 0 3 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
5 GIORDANO, MARK 17:33 4 3 00:27 0 0 04:40 1 6
6 SARICH, CORY 18:19 3 3 00:00 0 0 04:49 1 6
7 BRODIE, TJ 23:39 5 5 00:23 0 0 01:00 1 0
11 BACKLUND, MIKAEL 14:32 2 5 00:23 0 0 01:54 0 2
13 CAMMALLERI, MIKE 13:53 3 5 00:36 0 0 03:16 1 2
15 JACKMAN, TIM 09:43 2 2 00:00 0 0 00:10 0 0
18 STAJAN, MATT 14:02 5 4 00:36 0 0 01:25 1 0
20 GLENCROSS, CURTIS 16:49 2 5 00:23 0 0 01:15 0 2
22 STEMPNIAK, LEE 11:44 4 3 00:36 0 0 01:33 1 1
24 HUDLER, JIRI 15:17 2 4 00:23 0 0 00:06 0 0
25 BEGIN, STEVE 09:17 1 3 00:00 0 0 02:32 0 2
26 WIDEMAN, DENNIS 22:21 5 9 00:32 0 0 02:01 0 0
34 KIPRUSOFF, MIIKKA   9 15   0 0   2 6
44 BUTLER, CHRIS 13:55 0 7 00:00 0 0 02:26 1 0
47 BAERTSCHI, SVEN 13:29 4 3 00:00 0 0 00:10 0 0
51 HORAK, ROMAN 12:27 1 3 00:36 0 0 01:06 1 1
58 HANOWSKI, BEN 12:44 0 5 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
59 REINHART, MAXWELL 09:33 2 3 00:00 0 0 01:33 0 2

 

 

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#2 Avalain
April 18 2013, 09:51AM
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This is why we can't have nice things!

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#3 the-wolf
April 18 2013, 09:46AM
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We're gonna screw ourselves out of a top draft pick. Again. Typical Calgary. Because of 2 incredibly brutal goals. Why couldn't the Wings wait to sign Howard until the off-season?

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#4 Kent Wilson
April 18 2013, 10:49AM
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@meat1

The Flames should be able to find a better option in the market somewhere. Kipper's done. If he is the Flames best option after the summer, then the decision makers haven't done their jobs.

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#5 Scary Gary
April 18 2013, 11:07AM
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Nashville have lost seven straight and the oilers six, those guys know who to tank!

I did the love the win over the oilers though, man they're an embarrassment!

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#6 SeanCharles
April 18 2013, 09:22AM
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What a great game eh?....we win off the backs of two older players who wont even be on this team next year (Begin, Kipper) and we fall out of the top 5 pick territory..

Dangit

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#7 Kurt
April 18 2013, 10:19AM
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We are only a few wins away from perpetual mediocrity!

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#8 Danger
April 18 2013, 10:43AM
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If only there was some way to boost our chances of losing out, without looking like we were intentionally tanking... #PlayIrv

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#9 Matt
April 18 2013, 10:53AM
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@meat1

I think it's probably up to Kipper at this point.

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#10 T&A4Flames
April 18 2013, 11:15AM
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Should have made Howard the Flames player of the game. Thanks.........Howard!!

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#11 T&A4Flames
April 18 2013, 11:19AM
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Danger wrote:

If only there was some way to boost our chances of losing out, without looking like we were intentionally tanking... #PlayIrv

Maybe we could ask the players to wear blast shields a la Luke Skywalker at Ben Kenobi's request... Use the force boys!!

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#12 Willi P
April 18 2013, 11:24AM
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Kevin R wrote:

We have tickets in lower bowl just to the left of Kipper. We said all night, he is still young, he looks young, he is still incredibly flexible, he is still a very very good goalie. We just cant imagine him wanting to retire. The man loves the game, we watched him watching his own hi light saves on the jumbo tron while he was stretching before the start of the periods. He just had a tough time, not in his usual game shape because of the lockout, that resulted in a injury, his wife had a tough pregnancy, Iggy traded, new coaches, who wouldnt be a little overwhelmed. Feaster needs to have a good talk as soon as this season is done. Find out where his head is at. If he wants to be part of the rebuild/retool & stay in Calgary(very quite possible) then do the amnesty buyout of that last year, he gets a quick $900K or so & then resign to a 2 year deal at 2.5 mill per & we save about 3.5 mill in cap space. If that happens, I wouldnt resign McStarter, I would see whether Berra or Ramo or Brossoit are real in camp this fall.

Another note, Detroit are not going nowhere. Everyone claims what a great GM Holland is, well I gotta say I think he is pulling the best Tambellini imitation. He has done nothing bold at trade deadlines even though he has lost core forwards & huge cornerstone dmen. They no longer have the edge of getting these incredible players late anymore & I see their future similar to Calgarys as Datsyuk & Zetterberg age. They showed no desperation until the last 4 minutes of the game. Where was that earlier for a team that had to win this game. I am so choked about now we win games when nothing is on the line. We are going to be lucky to pick 6th or 7th & the Oilers are magical at tanking & anyone want to bet they will be picking before us?? That thought makes me want to puke.

Kevin,

Can't re-sign a buy out.

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#13 loudogYYC
April 18 2013, 11:30AM
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Detroit has a handful of early 20's prospects that are ready to make the jump to the NHL. When you think of it Detroit ALWAYS has a handful of early 20's prospects ready to make the jump. That's what makes Holland great, his ability to act on a plan for the future, not his ability to overpay in a deadline trade. He didn't even want to cough up a 1st round for Bouwmeester!

On the Kipper comment, I don't have seats near his net or anything like that, but it's clear his best days are behind him and there seems to be doubts about him even wanting to be here. That alone is reason to let him retire and run his hockey team in Turku.

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#14 the-wolf
April 18 2013, 09:23AM
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Here's to hoping the Flames lose every remaining game.

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#15 SmellOfVictory
April 18 2013, 09:26AM
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Your writeup is almost as beautiful as Begin's highlight reel dangling. Semper fi.

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#16 the-wolf
April 18 2013, 09:48AM
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6th from the bottom with Edmonton, NJ and Phoeinix breathing down our necks.

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#17 meat1
April 18 2013, 10:03AM
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This might draw some criticism, but......

Should we not consider trying to keep Kipper here for another couple years? I know he's getting older, but since we lost out on acquiring assets for him through a trade, maybe we should keep the asset. He is still our best goalie option.

I was certainly hoping for a top-4 pick in this draft (not as likely now), so obviously I was hoping for many hard fought losses. But when next season begins, as a fanbase, we are not going to want to go 0-82.

I'm not suggesting he plays 72 games in one year, but I don't think the young prospects are ready enough, and I don't think our glut of old prospects are good enough. He would make a nice 1-2 tandem with either a Mac-backup kind of goalie, or a young prospect.

Am I out to lunch?

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#18 SmellOfVictory
April 18 2013, 10:45AM
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I THINK YOU MEAN STEMPER FI

Nice! I'm disappointed in myself for missing that glorious opportunity.

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#19 Kevin R
April 18 2013, 10:59AM
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meat1 wrote:

This might draw some criticism, but......

Should we not consider trying to keep Kipper here for another couple years? I know he's getting older, but since we lost out on acquiring assets for him through a trade, maybe we should keep the asset. He is still our best goalie option.

I was certainly hoping for a top-4 pick in this draft (not as likely now), so obviously I was hoping for many hard fought losses. But when next season begins, as a fanbase, we are not going to want to go 0-82.

I'm not suggesting he plays 72 games in one year, but I don't think the young prospects are ready enough, and I don't think our glut of old prospects are good enough. He would make a nice 1-2 tandem with either a Mac-backup kind of goalie, or a young prospect.

Am I out to lunch?

We have tickets in lower bowl just to the left of Kipper. We said all night, he is still young, he looks young, he is still incredibly flexible, he is still a very very good goalie. We just cant imagine him wanting to retire. The man loves the game, we watched him watching his own hi light saves on the jumbo tron while he was stretching before the start of the periods. He just had a tough time, not in his usual game shape because of the lockout, that resulted in a injury, his wife had a tough pregnancy, Iggy traded, new coaches, who wouldnt be a little overwhelmed. Feaster needs to have a good talk as soon as this season is done. Find out where his head is at. If he wants to be part of the rebuild/retool & stay in Calgary(very quite possible) then do the amnesty buyout of that last year, he gets a quick $900K or so & then resign to a 2 year deal at 2.5 mill per & we save about 3.5 mill in cap space. If that happens, I wouldnt resign McStarter, I would see whether Berra or Ramo or Brossoit are real in camp this fall.

Another note, Detroit are not going nowhere. Everyone claims what a great GM Holland is, well I gotta say I think he is pulling the best Tambellini imitation. He has done nothing bold at trade deadlines even though he has lost core forwards & huge cornerstone dmen. They no longer have the edge of getting these incredible players late anymore & I see their future similar to Calgarys as Datsyuk & Zetterberg age. They showed no desperation until the last 4 minutes of the game. Where was that earlier for a team that had to win this game. I am so choked about now we win games when nothing is on the line. We are going to be lucky to pick 6th or 7th & the Oilers are magical at tanking & anyone want to bet they will be picking before us?? That thought makes me want to puke.

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#20 Kent Wilson
April 18 2013, 11:06AM
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On another note, check out Chris Butler's chance differential. On the third pairing no less.

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#21 loudogYYC
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@Kevin R

Detroit has a handful of early 20's prospects that are ready to make the jump to the NHL. When you think of it Detroit ALWAYS has a handful of early 20's prospects ready to make the jump. That's what makes Holland great, his ability to act on a plan for the future, not his ability to overpay in a deadline trade. He didn't even want to cough up a 1st round for Bouwmeester!

On the Kipper comment, I don't have seats near his net or anything like that, but it's clear his best days are behind him and there seems to be doubts about him even wanting to be here. That alone is reason to let him retire and run his hockey team in Turku.

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#22 Bean-counting cowboy
April 18 2013, 11:48AM
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Calgary... in the sixth pick position. That's worked out well for us twice already... so .... why not.

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#23 the-wolf
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loudogYYC wrote:

Detroit has a handful of early 20's prospects that are ready to make the jump to the NHL. When you think of it Detroit ALWAYS has a handful of early 20's prospects ready to make the jump. That's what makes Holland great, his ability to act on a plan for the future, not his ability to overpay in a deadline trade. He didn't even want to cough up a 1st round for Bouwmeester!

On the Kipper comment, I don't have seats near his net or anything like that, but it's clear his best days are behind him and there seems to be doubts about him even wanting to be here. That alone is reason to let him retire and run his hockey team in Turku.

Have to agree with this. True, Detroit has hung on too long like every club seems to do, but it's hard to judge their young talent because they make them wait so long. Nyqvist and Smith have pretty much made the jump, Jarnkrok should be very close. Tater as well. Some of the other prospects may now have to be accelerated.

Also, they did lose 3 D last summer.

They should look at moving Zetterberg now though, in order to retool a little. Datsyuk will only play for the Wings so he has to stay.

They're where Calgary was 5 years ago.

And consider, they hold the longest running record of consecutive playoff appearances not just in the NHL, but in NA pro sports.

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#24 Purple Hazze
April 18 2013, 12:07PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

The Flames should be able to find a better option in the market somewhere. Kipper's done. If he is the Flames best option after the summer, then the decision makers haven't done their jobs.

What are your thoughts on if they can convince him to return as a backup/mentor role for Ramo? With both of them being from Finland I could see this as being beneficial.

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#25 RKD
April 18 2013, 12:09PM
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It's not all doom and gloom, there's a chance we could land a Barkov or Lindholm who are both centers. But yeah, I would still prefer MacKinnon, Drouin or Jones.

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#26 T&A4Flames
April 18 2013, 12:38PM
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loudogYYC wrote:

Detroit has a handful of early 20's prospects that are ready to make the jump to the NHL. When you think of it Detroit ALWAYS has a handful of early 20's prospects ready to make the jump. That's what makes Holland great, his ability to act on a plan for the future, not his ability to overpay in a deadline trade. He didn't even want to cough up a 1st round for Bouwmeester!

On the Kipper comment, I don't have seats near his net or anything like that, but it's clear his best days are behind him and there seems to be doubts about him even wanting to be here. That alone is reason to let him retire and run his hockey team in Turku.

Re: Kipper. I would look to convince him to return. In a more limited role as a 1-1A goalie tandem with Ramo. It would be a great mentorship for Ramo and would help him ease into the undeniable #1 role.

The trouble is convincing Kipper take a limited role- maybe 35-40gms. Money may help and I agree with Kevin R., if we are able to buy out Kipper and still resign him (not sure if that is allowed under the CBA) and resign him for more actual dollars, say $3mil, it's a win all around. Kip gets more dough and we get even more cap relief and a very solid back up.

Of course, to me at least, it all depends on if we are able to draft a true franchise player by drafting no lower than 3rd or 4th overall. If we fail to get a true franchise guy, having solid goaltending just puts us back where we've always been; middle of the road.

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#27 loudogYYC
April 18 2013, 01:01PM
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You can't re-sign a player you just bought out, the earliest you can sign him is a year after the buy-out.

I'd be ok with Kipper staying around for the last season on his contract, but if $1.5M isn't good enough for him now, even though he agreed to it 8 years ago, I'd say he might bring some bad attitude to the team.

Truth is, he's a former superstar. If he's gonna stick around like Selanne, Jagr or even Lidstrom did, he'll need big money. He'll only get that if Calgary buys him out and he signs big somewhere else.

Question for everyone: What happens to Kippers cap hit if he files retirement papers at the end of the year? Off the books or do we carry a dead cap hit of $5.83M?

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#28 T&A4Flames
April 18 2013, 01:05PM
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loudogYYC wrote:

You can't re-sign a player you just bought out, the earliest you can sign him is a year after the buy-out.

I'd be ok with Kipper staying around for the last season on his contract, but if $1.5M isn't good enough for him now, even though he agreed to it 8 years ago, I'd say he might bring some bad attitude to the team.

Truth is, he's a former superstar. If he's gonna stick around like Selanne, Jagr or even Lidstrom did, he'll need big money. He'll only get that if Calgary buys him out and he signs big somewhere else.

Question for everyone: What happens to Kippers cap hit if he files retirement papers at the end of the year? Off the books or do we carry a dead cap hit of $5.83M?

That's what I thought. I thought maybe there was a loophole or exception for the compliance buy out but guess not.

Kipper signed his contract prior to his 35th Bday so if he retires, I believe his cap disappears.

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#29 Baalzamon
April 18 2013, 01:48PM
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Suddenly we have a 'props'ing epidemic around here.. I guess the sort of (not really (almost)) tank is putting people in a really good mood. Who'd have thought?

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#30 loudogYYC
April 18 2013, 01:50PM
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@T&A4Flames

That's what I hoped was the answer, thanks!

Cap space will be our best friend next season, with Kipper gone Calgary will have a $39M payroll with 8 roster spots to fill and $25M of cap space!

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#31 negrilcowboy
April 18 2013, 02:40PM
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when would kipper's ntc run out next year seeing he balked and threatened to quit. the guy refused a trade that hogtied the organization. i would say he is most likely a negative influence in the room.

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#32 Kevin R
April 18 2013, 03:46PM
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loudogYYC wrote:

Detroit has a handful of early 20's prospects that are ready to make the jump to the NHL. When you think of it Detroit ALWAYS has a handful of early 20's prospects ready to make the jump. That's what makes Holland great, his ability to act on a plan for the future, not his ability to overpay in a deadline trade. He didn't even want to cough up a 1st round for Bouwmeester!

On the Kipper comment, I don't have seats near his net or anything like that, but it's clear his best days are behind him and there seems to be doubts about him even wanting to be here. That alone is reason to let him retire and run his hockey team in Turku.

To me it was ridiculous Holland wouldnt cough up a 1st for JBO, I was not impressed with Nyquist & Smith was meh as well. My point is the days of scoring the Datsyuks & Zetterbergs late on a regular basis are probably gone. So when you have team with a closing window like Detroit, the JBO deals make more sense. They have some dark years coming too.

Wasnt sure about the amnesty buyout & resigning angle. I guess is there a rule against Kipper retiring in June & resigning in Sept? Kipper looked pretty friggin good in net last night for a guy over the hill & best days long gone. I guess tell that to guys like Brodeur,Tony O Esposito, Thomas & so on. Even Rinne & Lundqvist hasnt looked so shight hot this year.

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#33 loudogYYC
April 18 2013, 04:53PM
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@Kevin R

I thought they should have given up a 1st for Bouwmeester too. Goes to show how much Detroit values their picks and prospects.

I don't think age is the main reason Kipper is done. I'm sure it would be a different story if his salary wasn't going down by $4M and he was playing for a contending team. He played amazing last night and I'd bet he'll play amazing tomorrow too, this is his swan song.

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