Flames Trade Deadline - Who is Next?

Kent Wilson
April 02 2013 02:03PM

 

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With Iginla and Bouwmeester gone, the Flames head into the deadline tomorrow with a majority of their big chips already cashed. With how rapidly and earnestly the org has suddenly embraced a tear down, however, there could be a couple more trades on the horizon.

Calgary has more than a few attractive pieces left, depending on demand and just how close to the bone Feaster wants to cut...

Miikka Kiprusoff

Kipper staying will depend entirely on him. He doesn't have a NTC, but can effectively short circuit any potential deal by refusing to report. Rumors are that Toronto has approached Kipper and his agent about potentially playing there. The Leafs signed Drew MacIntyre to an NHL contract today, but that could either be because they struck out with Kipper and want a third guy available for the playoffs or they convinced Kipper to leave Calgary and are moving one of their other goalies (probably Scrivens) in the deal.

We can only guess which way things will fall for now.

If the Flames are able to get anything besides a toxic asset in return for Kiprusoff, it should be considered a win. Kipper has had a terrible season punctuated by injury, with soon turn 37 years old and is a threat to retire in the summer. The Flames waited too long to leverage Kipper for a quality return, so anything they could get for him now (outside of, say, Mike Komisarek) is good news.

Curtis Glencross

Mark Spector is reporting that a number of teams have interest in Curtis Glencross - and so they should. He's one of the Flames leaders in scoring this year, plays tough minutes, can drive possession in most circumstances and is signed to a cap friendly deal ($2.55M) until 2015.

These are also all the reasons the Flames shouldn't move him outside of an incredible offer, of course.

Mark Giordano

Guys like Robyn Regehr and Doug Murray are demanding two second rounders in the current market, so it's obvious Giordano would command some attention if he was put on the block. Without Bouwmeester, Giordano is one of the few veteran anchors on the back-end and while his contract isn't a bargain ($4.02M until 2016) it's isn't a burden either.

Like Glencross, the Flames shouldn't be in any rush to move Gio.

Lee Stempniak

Tied with Alex Tanguay for the team lead in points, Stempniak has also been one of the Flames best corsi players for two straight seasons and has taken on the big guns for Hartley almost all year. He's also cheap ($2.5M) and signed for one more year.

Because Stempniak's reputation doesn't carry a lot of weight in the league it's unlikely the Flames get anywhere near equal value for him given his performance for the club. Don't move him.

Mike Cammalleri

The most expensive player left on the team, Cammalleri is 30 years old and still a capable enough scorer, although he's certainly not the difference maker his $6M/yer contract suggests. Cammalleri would likely be of interest to a number of clubs looking for offensive depth heading into the post-season without that cap hit, but with one more year left on his deal it makes it a lot tougher to move him.

It's doubtful Cammalleri will want to stay on beyond next year as the Flames rebuild. They can probably shop him at the deadline next year and get a decent return as a result.

Alex Tanguay

The oldest forward not named "Steve Begin" left on the team, the 33-year old Tanguay still has silky smooth hands and an ability to distribute the puck, but his underlying numbers continue to deteriorate every single season. He is also signed until 2016 at a price of $3.5M per year, which isn't a prohibitive cap hit, but the length would probably scare most teams off right now.

Like Cammalleri, I can't imagine Tanguay will want to stay on with Calgary through an extended rebuild. The Flames don't have to move Tanguay in the next 24 hours, but he is probably a guy the club should start quietly shopping as early as the summer to get a feel for the demand and potential return.

The rest

Cory Sarich, Anton Babchuk, Blake Comeau, Chris Butler, Greg Nemisz, Leland Irving and perhaps Roman Cervenka are all likely nominal pieces who don't have much of place in the Flames future. Cervenka is the lone exception who could conceivably stick around and make an impact (assuming he improves and Hartley plays him). If not, Feaster and company should be putting him on the auction block with the rest of the extra pieces to see if they can get anything at all in return.

Conclusion

There's a good chance that, absent a Kipper approved deal, the Flames are more or less done at this point. I personally hope they do not get rid of useful guys like Stempniak, Giordano and Glencross and are lucky enough to move at least one of the support staff for whatever marginal return is available.

Another factor Feaster has to be aware of is the cap floor of $44M next year. The Flames currently have about $40M committed and if Kipper is traded or retires Calgary will be down to approximately $34M heading into the off-season. A deal for another major piece mentioned here means Calgary would have to start reaching to be cap floor compliant in 2013-14.

That's not a major issue - it's easy enough to spend money - but comes with a collection of opportunities and pitfalls. Cap space can be a great asset if used judiciously, but can also be a curse when it causes managers to spend wildly. See Buffalo two summers ago and Florida last year as an example. The last thing the Flames need as they try to put this egg back together is to commit to a bunch of gross overpays in the summer because they had to get to the floor.

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#51 Danny Lawson
April 02 2013, 03:27PM
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"Intellectual honesty", ..... Jay Fleeceter you're a big fibber ....

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#53 Captain Ron
April 02 2013, 03:52PM
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loudogYYC wrote:

Not that I really think he could help the team a lot, but I think Komisarek should be brought back as part of a Kiprusoff trade. We traded Toronto a 2nd to take Primeau off our books, we traded a 2nd to Buffalo for the same reason with Kotalik. I think Feaster can get at least that in return and it might excite the Leafs enough to sweeten the deal?

I was thinking the same thing in a Kipper or Cammi deal with the leafs. No we don't want him but if the boss says you can take some dough back then I'm really tempted if the rest of the bait is big and tasty enough.

We've been flying around the continent for two years with Babs and Sarich in the jump seats so the pilots will be lonely if they don't do something.

"Hello Captain Stubing...I'm Mike Komisarek is anyone using that seat? I hear you used to drive cruise ships."

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#54 RKD
April 02 2013, 03:53PM
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Feaster has to be careful, you cannot completely gut the team. The Islanders and Panthers were bad teams for a decade.My feeling is Kipper will be moved, if they move Glencross they really have to make sure its a player who can make an impact in the lineup now. Cammy and Tangs are brutal defensively, a combined -24. Cammy should be the next to go.

The interesting thing will be to see what will the Flames do in the offseason because there is a gap in talent and none of the prospects are likely to be on the roster next season. They will have a lot of cap room and will be able to make good hockey trades with value because a lot of teams now will have to unload those contracts as the cap is going down.

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#55 Captain Ron
April 02 2013, 03:56PM
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Primo wrote:

I think you missed my point entirely...yes no one ever said that but certainly the expectations that fans have stated are in my view unreasonable.

The key to the trades was the 1st rounders and the clearing of cap space which enables you do execute your rebuild plan more effectively.

I also note with today's transactions those high end prospects are simply not being made available!

In my view it was Feaster who fleeced the Pens and Blues!

Iggy's cap hit was gone next year anyway so I'm not so quick to give him credit for that. The first for him as a rental is a bonus I guess even though it will be a late pick.

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#56 piscera.infada
April 02 2013, 03:57PM
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@MWflames

No, we burned his rookie year by a couple of games. Which I'm surprised many anti-Feaster's haven't brought up.

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#57 SeanCharles
April 02 2013, 04:05PM
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piscera.infada wrote:

No, we burned his rookie year by a couple of games. Which I'm surprised many anti-Feaster's haven't brought up.

Sven in Calder eligable next season... he needs to have played in more than 25 games per season in years past.

Which he hasnt

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#58 dotfras
April 02 2013, 04:20PM
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Question regarding the Devils.....

It's come to my attention that they lose a 1st round pick in either 2013 or 2014 in light of the Kovalchuk debacle.

What happens with their forfeited pick?

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#60 ClYDE
April 02 2013, 04:32PM
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meat1 wrote:

You rock Kent...I promised you that one...

Do you not think we would have been better off eating some salary from J-bo or potentially Cammi, Tanguay etc in exchange for a better return? My concern is that we keep getting fleeced in these trades, (acquiring below average returns while ridding ourselves of hefty contracts) and then go out next season and throw money at over-inflated contracts just to get to the floor. I would rather have some legit prospects and carryover some salary to make the floor.

The Flames must keep Glencross, Giordano, Brodie, Backlund, Stempniak, and Baertchi. They won't move Hudler and Wideman. With that group intact, you can fill the holes left (and I know there are many) with the players you don't trade and/or the likes of Breen, Bouma, etc until the new wave is ready.

We have no reason to make a big splash come ufa time. I think a couple short term, contract friendly pick-ups two weeks in is all we should consider.

Kipper, as much as I am a huge fan , has become a rapidly declining asset. Any return of significance would offset some of the recent blunders.

As far as Babchuk, do you really think he would command anything? I don't think he's tradeable.

What are your thoughts Kent? Clyde? Anybody that's not a troller?

I think they moved J-Bo either too late or too early. Detroit had a significant offer in place but Feaster wanted to move Iginla first. I don't know if Detroit removed their offer or if Feaster was totally set on a 1st as part of the return. I will know in a couple of days what happened there. Perhaps he honestly feels he got better prospects. That scares me if he thinks that. He didn't need to eat salary with Detroit either. If they can move Cammy and Tanguay I hope they do. Especially if we could pry another 1st and 2nd or a legit prospect. If a very good offer came in on Gio or GlenX I would do that too but it has to be a clear win. Columbus would be a very good partner and would be willing to give up a 1st I hear as they have 3 as well. The Islanders would be a great partner as they are looking for some veteran scoring, character and defense. The NMC's are killing us though.

I agree with you that we need to have some solid vets in place and not huge long contracts. It is time to draft, develop and start playing the youth we have been and will be getting.

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#62 Scary Gary
April 02 2013, 04:37PM
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No more no movement clauses!!! They only work if the player takes less than market like GlenX.

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#63 everton fc
April 02 2013, 04:51PM
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MWflames wrote:

I think getting rid of Cammilleri now would be the only major deal I would pursue before the deadline. He would garner a pretty nice return I'd think. 2nd + prospect perhaps or maybe even pry a 1st from Columbus as Cammi seems like the kind of player they really need.

More importantly though, guys like Glencross, Tanguay and Stempniak are on quite affordable deals, and can all play top 6. Especially Glencross. I'd wait until the draft/summer to deal them and GM's will realize they need more affordable players. A competent GM could probably get a steal of a deal or two.

Between Tanguay, glencross, comeau and Cervenka/Cammi (sort of) we have a lot of LW's in our top 9. I think regardless we need to make room for Baertschi next year, so something's gotta give...

I'd move Cammy. If you're moving JBo due to salary, Cammy must go. JBo's worth more than Cammy. As a player, and at current salaries for both players.

If we do any deals with Columbus, you have to try and pry Dorsett away, even if he's out for the season. We need leaders on this team. Grit. And so on.

But Feaster's not going to move for roster players. He want's no payroll in return.

If Burke becomes GM, my interest in the team hits an all-time low.

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#64 Gussey
April 02 2013, 04:51PM
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Doug Wilson is a much better gm than jay feaster.

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#65 everton fc
April 02 2013, 04:54PM
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We could have three 1st round picks, and this regime will screw them up.

That's how this fan feels. Based on strong, seemingly never-ended evidence.

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#66 everton fc
April 02 2013, 04:58PM
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Gussey wrote:

Doug Wilson is a much better gm than jay feaster.

Agreed.

Most GMs are better than Feaster. I can't think of one who is markedly worse (I'm sure someone will find someone)

Wouldn't it be terrible irony if the Oilers nudge the Blues out of the 8th seed, and out of the playoffs? Columbus/Nashville/Dallas/Phoenix continue to lurk in the weeds...

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#67 MWflames
April 02 2013, 05:16PM
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Feaster has made some poor moves in the last couple days and even more during his term... but if he managed to move Kipper (With his poor play, possible intentions of retiring, rumoured comment about not reporting, and the seriously poor goalie market) for anything meaningful, i'd be moderately impressed.

Although if Toronto actually gives anything of value to Cgy for Kipper it would probably be Nonis making a questionable call rather than Feaster making a cunning play

Annnd it would be a major slap in the face to Vancouver, so i'd be quite content

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#68 clYDE
April 02 2013, 05:28PM
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That is managing assets at it's finest. Hopefully we can do a little more yet too.

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#69 backburner
April 02 2013, 05:51PM
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I have been really disappointed by the returns for Iggy and J Bo. However, I'm starting to get excited about the first round picks. I think if they trade anyone else, it should be for first round picks, and get all our main pieces of the rebuild this year and probably next year also, just need to be patient I guess..

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#70 backburner
April 02 2013, 05:52PM
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Anyone else hearing that Kipper has agreed to go to the Leafs?

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#71 dotfras
April 02 2013, 06:26PM
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@backburner

That's what I've seen as well. He's willing to go to Toronto.

Contingent on a contract adjustment (extension/signing bonus).

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#72 mattyc
April 02 2013, 06:42PM
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Tim Connolly is being held out by the Marlies. It's that mythical 1st line centre we've been hoping for!

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#73 lionlager
April 02 2013, 06:52PM
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Iggy scores!

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#74 the forgotten man
April 02 2013, 06:54PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Looks like NYR gets Clowe for a second, a third and a conditional second rounder.

Meaning Wilson has traded a 4th line center and third pairing defender (both mostly liabilities) plus a declining power forward winger with zero goals this year for (potentially) 6 picks in a deep draft (four second rounders, a third and a fourth), five of them in the top 100.

Wow.

Good for Doug Wilson.

If everyone's 1st round picks are being guarded like plutonium for this years draft, then it bolsters my argument as to why Feaster didn't trade both Iginla and Jaybo straight up for a decent prospect?

It eliminates the crap shoot that the draft is and marginalizes our scouting department from having any influence over a critical rebuild.

With a decent prospect we are in essence taking advantage of other teams more competent scouting staffs and it is easier to predict the trajectory of a 20+ year old versus the 18 year olds in the draft...along with the fact that another team has invested time and effort into said player.

The Flames could have just kept there hopeful top 4 pick becoming a more than likely future blue chipper along with the two other substantial prospects that Jaybo and Iginla could have brought...then you have the foundations for building a future team.

Instead now we roll the dice on two mid to late first rounders along with a steaming pile of garbage that we acquired in 4 no name prospects...and for anyone touting these 4 prospects as anything more than garbage then I have a bridge in Brooklyn and waterfront Florida property to sell you. I have finally figured out that the more Jay hypes something, the more "steaming" it is...ergo I have little hope invested in Jankowski.

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#75 BurningSensation
April 02 2013, 07:01PM
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@the forgotten man

@the forgotten man:"If everyone's 1st round picks are being guarded like plutonium for this years draft, then it bolsters my argument as to why Feaster didn't trade both Iginla and Jaybo straight up for a decent prospect?"

The 1st round picks are being guarded - unless it's Jay Feaster calling.

The high-end prospects are EVEN MORE GUARDED. Did you see Couturier on the move? Did you notice that Boston did't flip guys to Dallas as good as we had on offer from them? Has their been a high-end prospect moved out by anybody?

(I guess you could count Joe Morrow - but he's been a healty scratch at times this year, and has miles to go defenseively).

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#76 chillout
April 02 2013, 07:05PM
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Well you can't really say much about the scouting staff yet there negative nancy. Regardless of how much Feast hypes a guy you do have to give the 18years olds a chance before you write them off. That goes for the college boys too. Not sure how you can have made these evaluations on players you've never seen....

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#77 aloudoun
April 02 2013, 07:29PM
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If Cammy and Kipper get traded that means another 11.8 million off payroll which would take us to 29ish million. Even with signing Brodie and Bouma who are both RFA's (and the only ones I would sign again) you would still need 7-8 million to get the floor.

You would have to sign UFA's to get the floor. (also remember we need to sign two goalies)

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#78 SeanCharles
April 02 2013, 07:41PM
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aloudoun wrote:

If Cammy and Kipper get traded that means another 11.8 million off payroll which would take us to 29ish million. Even with signing Brodie and Bouma who are both RFA's (and the only ones I would sign again) you would still need 7-8 million to get the floor.

You would have to sign UFA's to get the floor. (also remember we need to sign two goalies)

Backlund?

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#79 Bean-counting cowboy
April 02 2013, 08:01PM
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aloudoun wrote:

If Cammy and Kipper get traded that means another 11.8 million off payroll which would take us to 29ish million. Even with signing Brodie and Bouma who are both RFA's (and the only ones I would sign again) you would still need 7-8 million to get the floor.

You would have to sign UFA's to get the floor. (also remember we need to sign two goalies)

Missing Backlund. Plus I think we see Feaster take like a Komisarek back in a deal for Kipper to get a better pick out of the deal. That would help get to the floor while maximizing the pick/prospect coming back our way.

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#80 backburner
April 02 2013, 08:03PM
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I think the Clowe return might be close to what we could get for Glencross..

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#81 Captain Ron
April 02 2013, 08:12PM
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backburner wrote:

I think the Clowe return might be close to what we could get for Glencross..

Glencross should bring more than Clowe I think.

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#82 Robert Johnson
April 02 2013, 08:13PM
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Can anyone list three reasons why any NHL'er would want to play in Calgary for the Flames?

Two reasons?

One reason?

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#83 Captain Ron
April 02 2013, 08:13PM
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That said I'm not sure I trade Glencross unless the offer knocks my socks off.

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#84 McRib
April 02 2013, 08:30PM
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@Robert Johnson

The fans......

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#85 McRib
April 02 2013, 08:32PM
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So Laurent Brossoit won CHL Goaltender of the week not that it matters, he is now Fifth or Six on our depth chart.... At least in our GMs head...

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#86 ChinookArch
April 02 2013, 08:34PM
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@Robert Johnson

One: Calgary is not Edmonton.

Beat it troll!

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#87 Dank
April 02 2013, 08:37PM
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I really hope SJ is stupid enough to fire him in the off-season, because the Flames need a GM like Doug Wilson. Smart hockey man.

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#88 Dank
April 02 2013, 08:41PM
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Robert Johnson wrote:

Can anyone list three reasons why any NHL'er would want to play in Calgary for the Flames?

Two reasons?

One reason?

Hmmmmmmmmm...... you don't live in CGY. Thats definitely a positive

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#89 Robert Johnson
April 02 2013, 08:50PM
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McRib wrote:

The fans......

Building is full of rich people who arrive late and leave early.....like playing in a library.

Sorry not a reason.

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#90 Robert Johnson
April 02 2013, 08:51PM
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ChinookArch wrote:

One: Calgary is not Edmonton.

Beat it troll!

Troll?

What are you? Two years old?

Simple questions that has no answers a I guess.

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#91 Robert Johnson
April 02 2013, 08:54PM
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Dank wrote:

Hmmmmmmmmm...... you don't live in CGY. Thats definitely a positive

Life long Wings Fan that has been in Calgary since probably before you were born Dank.

A question with no logical answers....just as I thought.

I can list ten why they WOULD NOT want to play here.....

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#92 Emir
April 02 2013, 09:06PM
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Robert Johnson wrote:

Life long Wings Fan that has been in Calgary since probably before you were born Dank.

A question with no logical answers....just as I thought.

I can list ten why they WOULD NOT want to play here.....

Ok lets hear your ten.

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#93 loudogYYC
April 02 2013, 09:19PM
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As boring as this city can be, it's a good place for young families, even better if you're loaded like a pro athlete.

Calgary has enough nice places to spend all that money, it has the Rockies one hour away and the Flames will have a boatload of cap space, so they'll be able to sign you to a bloated contract!

It'll all come down to money let's not kid ourselves. I just hope they're smart and they sign overpriced UFA's to 1 or 2 year contracts and no NTC's so we have the option to move them for picks and prospects at the deadline. Kinda like what Dallas did with Jagr today.

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#94 Lordmork
April 02 2013, 09:22PM
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According to this, the Flames are closing in on a deal for Cory Sarich.

However, the page also says there's interest in Anton Babchuk, so I'm not sure how much I believe it.

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/cgy130402.html

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#95 Kevin R
April 02 2013, 09:29PM
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Robert Johnson wrote:

Life long Wings Fan that has been in Calgary since probably before you were born Dank.

A question with no logical answers....just as I thought.

I can list ten why they WOULD NOT want to play here.....

What a retarded question Wings fan. Why do you live here if its so bad? There are 30 NHL teams, meaning there are a total of 690 NHL jobs on the teams. Of the 690 positions, probably 10% are elite enough to dictate & select where they want to play. The other 90% of players go because Demand far exceeds supply, the money no matter where you play is phenominal & these players will pick the teams where they have the best chance to enhance their careers & establish a chance to get a bigger piece of that 3.3 Billion dollar pie. I think thats way more than 10 reasons, so thanks for coming.

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#96 Robert Johnson
April 02 2013, 09:30PM
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@Emir

1) Horrible Owners

2) Horrible Team President

3) Horrible General Manager

4) Horrible "library like" stadium

5) Horrible farm system management

6) Mediocre coaching staff loaded with former players -not coaches

7) No winning culture - barley .500 win % in past 16 year (578 W 536 L)

8) They would be joining a bunch of third line players

9) When they do get close to shot - the stars leave

10) Season ticket fan base is 80% rich people who know nothing about hockey.

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#97 Franko J
April 02 2013, 09:39PM
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@ Kent Wilson

"Like Cammalleri, I can't imagine Tanguay will want to stay on with Calgary through an extended rebuild. The Flames don't have to move Tanguay in the next 24 hours, but he is probably a guy the club should start quietly shopping as early as the summer to get a feel for the demand and potential return."

By the sounds of it Wideman could be added to the mix. I think he signed with the Flames for all intentions of playing for a playoff contender. With his contract status it will be very difficult to move him. As well, the Flames might need his salary to make it to the floor.

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#98 Kevin R
April 02 2013, 09:41PM
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Lordmork wrote:

According to this, the Flames are closing in on a deal for Cory Sarich.

However, the page also says there's interest in Anton Babchuk, so I'm not sure how much I believe it.

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/cgy130402.html

RDS is also saying Iggy open to extending to a new multi year contract with Pens. He aint coming back.

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#99 dotfras
April 02 2013, 09:41PM
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Reason 1: $

Reason 2: Calgary is one of the nicest cities in Canada.

Reason 3: Money

Reason 4: Chance to establish yourself as a player on a team with minimal talent.

Reason 5: Jay Feaster will boost your ego.

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#100 dotfras
April 02 2013, 09:44PM
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Pitkanen is done for the season in Carolina.

FEASTER call them & get rid of Gio/Wideman/Sarich/Babchuk.......

Take your pick.

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