Flames Trade Deadline - Who is Next?

Kent Wilson
April 02 2013 02:03PM

 

Kiprusoff

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With Iginla and Bouwmeester gone, the Flames head into the deadline tomorrow with a majority of their big chips already cashed. With how rapidly and earnestly the org has suddenly embraced a tear down, however, there could be a couple more trades on the horizon.

Calgary has more than a few attractive pieces left, depending on demand and just how close to the bone Feaster wants to cut...

Miikka Kiprusoff

Kipper staying will depend entirely on him. He doesn't have a NTC, but can effectively short circuit any potential deal by refusing to report. Rumors are that Toronto has approached Kipper and his agent about potentially playing there. The Leafs signed Drew MacIntyre to an NHL contract today, but that could either be because they struck out with Kipper and want a third guy available for the playoffs or they convinced Kipper to leave Calgary and are moving one of their other goalies (probably Scrivens) in the deal.

We can only guess which way things will fall for now.

If the Flames are able to get anything besides a toxic asset in return for Kiprusoff, it should be considered a win. Kipper has had a terrible season punctuated by injury, with soon turn 37 years old and is a threat to retire in the summer. The Flames waited too long to leverage Kipper for a quality return, so anything they could get for him now (outside of, say, Mike Komisarek) is good news.

Curtis Glencross

Mark Spector is reporting that a number of teams have interest in Curtis Glencross - and so they should. He's one of the Flames leaders in scoring this year, plays tough minutes, can drive possession in most circumstances and is signed to a cap friendly deal ($2.55M) until 2015.

These are also all the reasons the Flames shouldn't move him outside of an incredible offer, of course.

Mark Giordano

Guys like Robyn Regehr and Doug Murray are demanding two second rounders in the current market, so it's obvious Giordano would command some attention if he was put on the block. Without Bouwmeester, Giordano is one of the few veteran anchors on the back-end and while his contract isn't a bargain ($4.02M until 2016) it's isn't a burden either.

Like Glencross, the Flames shouldn't be in any rush to move Gio.

Lee Stempniak

Tied with Alex Tanguay for the team lead in points, Stempniak has also been one of the Flames best corsi players for two straight seasons and has taken on the big guns for Hartley almost all year. He's also cheap ($2.5M) and signed for one more year.

Because Stempniak's reputation doesn't carry a lot of weight in the league it's unlikely the Flames get anywhere near equal value for him given his performance for the club. Don't move him.

Mike Cammalleri

The most expensive player left on the team, Cammalleri is 30 years old and still a capable enough scorer, although he's certainly not the difference maker his $6M/yer contract suggests. Cammalleri would likely be of interest to a number of clubs looking for offensive depth heading into the post-season without that cap hit, but with one more year left on his deal it makes it a lot tougher to move him.

It's doubtful Cammalleri will want to stay on beyond next year as the Flames rebuild. They can probably shop him at the deadline next year and get a decent return as a result.

Alex Tanguay

The oldest forward not named "Steve Begin" left on the team, the 33-year old Tanguay still has silky smooth hands and an ability to distribute the puck, but his underlying numbers continue to deteriorate every single season. He is also signed until 2016 at a price of $3.5M per year, which isn't a prohibitive cap hit, but the length would probably scare most teams off right now.

Like Cammalleri, I can't imagine Tanguay will want to stay on with Calgary through an extended rebuild. The Flames don't have to move Tanguay in the next 24 hours, but he is probably a guy the club should start quietly shopping as early as the summer to get a feel for the demand and potential return.

The rest

Cory Sarich, Anton Babchuk, Blake Comeau, Chris Butler, Greg Nemisz, Leland Irving and perhaps Roman Cervenka are all likely nominal pieces who don't have much of place in the Flames future. Cervenka is the lone exception who could conceivably stick around and make an impact (assuming he improves and Hartley plays him). If not, Feaster and company should be putting him on the auction block with the rest of the extra pieces to see if they can get anything at all in return.

Conclusion

There's a good chance that, absent a Kipper approved deal, the Flames are more or less done at this point. I personally hope they do not get rid of useful guys like Stempniak, Giordano and Glencross and are lucky enough to move at least one of the support staff for whatever marginal return is available.

Another factor Feaster has to be aware of is the cap floor of $44M next year. The Flames currently have about $40M committed and if Kipper is traded or retires Calgary will be down to approximately $34M heading into the off-season. A deal for another major piece mentioned here means Calgary would have to start reaching to be cap floor compliant in 2013-14.

That's not a major issue - it's easy enough to spend money - but comes with a collection of opportunities and pitfalls. Cap space can be a great asset if used judiciously, but can also be a curse when it causes managers to spend wildly. See Buffalo two summers ago and Florida last year as an example. The last thing the Flames need as they try to put this egg back together is to commit to a bunch of gross overpays in the summer because they had to get to the floor.

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#101 Monaertchi
April 02 2013, 09:48PM
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Robert Johnson wrote:

1) Horrible Owners

2) Horrible Team President

3) Horrible General Manager

4) Horrible "library like" stadium

5) Horrible farm system management

6) Mediocre coaching staff loaded with former players -not coaches

7) No winning culture - barley .500 win % in past 16 year (578 W 536 L)

8) They would be joining a bunch of third line players

9) When they do get close to shot - the stars leave

10) Season ticket fan base is 80% rich people who know nothing about hockey.

1-true

2-true

3-true

4-have not had the pleasure of watching a game in another rink so can not comment

5-that would have little to nothing to do with a players decision to go to a pro team

6-head coach has won a cup which is more than most coaches can say

7-now that Iggy is mercifully gone, there are no players on the team that were here 16 years ago, the past is the past and with MANY new players on the team, has little to do with the future

8-great opportunity to get 1st line minutes and money

9-that is not true at all

10-80% of 19000 is... Wow, you know a lot of people really well

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#102 Roberto
April 02 2013, 09:48PM
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@Robert Johnson

Coaches are supposed to be former players bro. Many hockey people say that a coach needs to have played the game at a high level in order to relate to the current players.

Farm system management has improved tenfold under Ward in Abby.

That .500 win % is alot higher than some other teams can boast about.

The stadium is only 'library like' at times becuz the players on the ice stink.

Bunch of 3rd line players? That must be why GMs are giving up 1st round picks for Flames assets, huh?

Stars leaving when they get close. U must be blind. Flames arent close, stars were ASKED to leave.

first 3 r true tho.

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#103 Franko J
April 02 2013, 09:50PM
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dotfras wrote:

Question regarding the Devils.....

It's come to my attention that they lose a 1st round pick in either 2013 or 2014 in light of the Kovalchuk debacle.

What happens with their forfeited pick?

I see what you are getting at?

If Calgary can obtain another first round pick are you suggesting we send the pick to NJ for a prospect and further picks? With this draft being pretty deep I'm thinking NJ would like to hold onto their pick. Sacrifice their pick in 2014.

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#104 Roberto
April 02 2013, 09:53PM
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Roberto wrote:

Coaches are supposed to be former players bro. Many hockey people say that a coach needs to have played the game at a high level in order to relate to the current players.

Farm system management has improved tenfold under Ward in Abby.

That .500 win % is alot higher than some other teams can boast about.

The stadium is only 'library like' at times becuz the players on the ice stink.

Bunch of 3rd line players? That must be why GMs are giving up 1st round picks for Flames assets, huh?

Stars leaving when they get close. U must be blind. Flames arent close, stars were ASKED to leave.

first 3 r true tho.

Forgot to comment on the last one, but thats just unfounded. YOu have no evidence, and you are in no position to call out someone's hockey knowledge because you think the Flames only have 3rd liners.

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#105 Emir
April 02 2013, 09:58PM
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@Robert Johnson

1) true

2) true

3) true

4) irrelevant, they play on the ice not in the stands. 5) inconclusive data. Name a blue chip prospect we destroyed in the last 8 years. Bad drafting is the problem. So I dispute your point.

6) never heard a player sign because of the coaches. You don't like the coaches and that's fine, but Hartley is a Stanley cup winner. So invalid point.

7) 16 years? Really? Awful point. You could argue the last 3 and I would agree. So invalid point.

8)some players to join a team to be a star player. So it is subjective to the player and where they are in their career. Want to play on a stacked team? Be prepared to take a discount. So it depends on what matters more, money or a cup contender. Why would Shultz sign in Edmonton versus Anaheim? Or Chicago? Or any good team.

9) do you have proof of this? Pretty sure in 05/06 we didn't have that problem. Invalid point.

10) that's true of all major destinations. Sp invalid point. People don't refuse to sign in new York for that reason.

so points 1, 2, 3, and to some extent 8 hold true. All are easy to fix. We won't be in the picture to land free agents in the near future, but we can fix all of these issues. The flames were a laughing stock through 95-02 but were not through 03-10. So things can change, and its proven many times as well.

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#106 chillout
April 02 2013, 10:15PM
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@Robert Johnson

This guy likes to act superior to everybody. I don't think he actually goes to hockey games. Or has checked out who has played here in the last 20 years or the reasons players left in the 90's. 1. Owners aren't that bad. at least willing to spend money 2.So yeah kk probably not the best. Big deal 3.That remains to be determined. Sure lots of what has gone on looks bad(ish) but really the proof will be in the pudding when we get to actually see the players we got back in the next couple years. 4.Completely idiotic. Every game i've been to this year has been great. Games where you're getting killed any stadium will be quiet. 5.Did you go check out the farm team? Or just taking the odd opinion as fact? 6.Stanley cup winning coach with a staff of very smart players. Most of the best coaches have played the game if not all in the nhl. so that's a stupid comment. 7.I don't think we've had a losing culture. That would be guys who don't care collecting pay checks and then getting the hell out of town. Haven't seen that, they all stay and want to win. 8.Awesome chance to make a name for themselves and get tons of ice time. So again stupid comment 9. Name a star that has left when they got close to a shot? I can't think of any. 10. Seems to me that the ones who wear jerseys and not suits know a fair bit about hockey. I always see a ton of jerseys at a flames game. Yes calgary has got some serious corporate money and their marketing guys take tons of their customers and suppliers to games big deal.

So why don't you move out of one of the most desirable cities to live in since you seem to hate it so much. We sure don't want you.

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#107 Franko J
April 02 2013, 10:16PM
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Overall I like the fact the Flames are ready and willing now to change the nucleus of this team. Whether management signs free agents, drafts 3 maybe more times in the 1st round and is trading for "no named" prospects the message is loud and clear that there has be changes in the dressing room first.

Even before good results can happen on the ice something which I feel has been missing from this team for a long time is a lack of camaraderie amongst fellow players and coaches.

While the optics suggest to the contrary that there is no tension in the dressing room, the players get along fine, especially this season I just don't see players making enough sacrifices for one another. As well, it seems that the Flames don't have enough players with a competitive nature and a hunger to win.

@ Robert Johnson

Way to stir the pot.

I think the reason you are so bitter is the fact that the Red Wings got a good old fashion whooping from the Blackhawks on the weekend.

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#108 McRib
April 02 2013, 10:56PM
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Of all the people to say that Calgary's fan support is mediocre it had to be a wings fan, lol. Easily the most overrated fan base in hockey. With how good the team has been for years.... Any game I have ever been to in Detroit has been very underwhelming. It is always against the Flames of course, but no one shows up for a mediocre Canadian team there. What does that say about the fans?? San Jose's playoff games are twice as electric as Wings games.

I agree with Robert Johnson's points 1, 2, 3, 5 & 7!!! The rest is just a clownish statement to stir the pot and it did, haha!

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#109 McRib
April 02 2013, 11:08PM
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@Franko J

"Calgary has more Alumni players living in this city than any other team in the NHL."

The funny thing is its not all former Flames players! Morris Lukowich has taught kids goal scoring clinic's for years, he played for Houston, Winnipeg, Boston and LA. He said he moved here because of the city and all the former NHL alumni living in Calgary. Karl Alzner played JUNIOR in Calgary and still lives here in the off season despite being from Vancouver. I could go on and on..... Where is Hockey Canada based?!?!? Oh that's right Calgary.

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#110 Franko J
April 02 2013, 11:17PM
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@ MCRIB

We are not only talking hockey, but if you included the Stamps and Roughnecks, Olympic as well, many athletes elect to stay and live in Calgary long after their playing days are done.

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#111 Scary Gary
April 02 2013, 11:32PM
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Is anyone else wondering what Wanye or whomever from oilernation has up their sleeve for tomorrow...ugh.

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#112 Scary Gary
April 02 2013, 11:37PM
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Trade deadline 3pm EST, What will Kipper do?! I'd love to get a second back...come on Kipper! For old time sake.

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#113 Scary Gary
April 03 2013, 12:06AM
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dougtheslug wrote:

Truth is, Alberta is the hockey capital of the universe. A team composed of players born in Alberta would kill in the NHL. And Oilers and Flames both used to be good. Alberta was Death Valley for visiting teams back in the eighties. For Gawd's Sake, from 1983-1990, EIGHT consecutive years, an Alberta team was in the Stanley Cup final. Neither city deserve the gong shows we've been forced to watch for the past couple of decades.

Haha agreed Doug and the slugs.

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#114 loudogYYC
April 03 2013, 12:15AM
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@dougtheslug

Funny you say that. I was just thinking about Alberta teams in the 80's today. Alberta swept the 80's along with NYI and now look where these teams are. We're on our way to sweeping 1st overall picks!

I guess the point is, everything moves in cycles and we've been through real good ones. We'll get there again as long as management doesn't try to reinvent the wheel. I'm unfortunately fearful this is what they'll do 'cause they seem real convinced they're smarter than everyone else.

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#115 FireOnIce
April 03 2013, 12:38AM
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dougtheslug wrote:

Truth is, Alberta is the hockey capital of the universe. A team composed of players born in Alberta would kill in the NHL. And Oilers and Flames both used to be good. Alberta was Death Valley for visiting teams back in the eighties. For Gawd's Sake, from 1983-1990, EIGHT consecutive years, an Alberta team was in the Stanley Cup final. Neither city deserve the gong shows we've been forced to watch for the past couple of decades.

This. Agreed.

Random thought on Bouwmeester. I wonder if his DUI charge is a problem with the U.S. immigration authorities. Does anybody know if those sorts of things ever factor into trades?

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#116 FireOnIce
April 03 2013, 12:41AM
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Also, it appears Pitkanen is out for the season. If Feaster had held onto Bouwmeester for just two more days, the Flames may have been able to completely swindle Carolina Though I don't know what they could have got that would have been all that good.

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#117 Chris
April 03 2013, 12:45AM
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Goalies, Goalies, Goalies.

So we're doing a rebuild? Trade both Kiprusoff (now or in the summer), and MacDonald. Both should have value in the immediate future.

We'll have a lot of unproven goalies with upside left: Irving, Taylor, Brust, Ramo, and now Berra. A rebuild year is a great time to determine who can play in the NHL and who's destined for the farm team.

And as a bonus, someone's bound to deliver sloppy play, which should get us another lottery pick next year....

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#118 Jeff Lebowski
April 03 2013, 02:57AM
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Robert Johnson wrote:

Can anyone list three reasons why any NHL'er would want to play in Calgary for the Flames?

Two reasons?

One reason?

1. The Calgary Flames are an NHL franchise that pays NHL salaries. 2. The women. 3. Players are treated well here. 4. The fans are passionate. 5. I could have stopped after 1

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#119 Bruce
April 03 2013, 09:32PM
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@Jeff Lebowski

For the buttery popcorn and hot chicks

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