Introducing Mark Cundari and Reto Berra - UPDATE

Kent Wilson
April 02 2013 10:17AM

Blues vs Lightning-7442.jpg

pic via Sarah Connors

Calgary added two more prospects with the Jay Bouwmeester trade yesterday. Like Agostino and Hanowski, neither Reto Berra or Mark Cundari are household names - at least not here in Calgary (Berra may very well be a folk hero in Switzerland). Here's some background on each guy:

Mark Cundari - 22 years old, D

Undrafted out of junior, Cundari has a somewhat similar resume to Mark Giordano (and he kinda looks like him) - although his results were a little heavier on the PIMs and a little lighter on the scoring, especially in his first three seasons with the Windsor Spitfires. His career best point total in junior topped out at eight goals and 54 points in 63 games on a heavyweight club that included Taylor Hall, Cam Fowler, Ryan Ellis, Adam Henrique and...Greg Nemisz. As mentioned, Cundari was also a consistent triple digit penalty minute guy in the OHL, despite only standing 5'10". I don't know if that means he's some sort of human honey badger or just takes a lot of hooking and high-sticking penalties...

Cundari has had a decent if unremarkable career in the AHL since turning pro. He leads the less than potent Peoria Riverman in scoring from the blueline so far this season with seven goals and 25 points in 56 games. When I talked to Corey Pronman about Cundari recently he noted the defender was tough but realtively small guy who can move the puck well. He apparently doesn't have a high skill set/ceiling however and will probably top out as a third pairing guy if he makes the NHL.

Mark has already joined the Abbotsford Heat and will playing the remaining few games with the club. It wouldn't surprise me if he gets a look with the big team at some point down the stretch as well.

Reto Berra - 26 years old, G

The goaltender is a far bigger wildcard in this deal. Originally drafted in the 4th round back in 2006 (the same year as Leland Irving), Berra has played his entire career in Switzerland, so is a virtual unknown. Feaster has said recently that the Flames scouts identified Berra as "one of the best goalies outside the NHL", but I'm not sure that's indicative of anything. Flames management has been eager to heap hyperbole on players and additions these last few seasons under Feaster and puckstoppers tend to be voodoo anyways - GMs and scouts misidentify goalie talent more often than probably any other position.

Which means this really could go either way. I find it somewhat suspicious that the team who drafted Berra has never really endeavoured to bring him over the pond despite having some pretty obvious goalie issues (both this season and in years past when they were trading high-end prospects for Jaro Halak and signing flops like Brian Elliot), but maybe the player had no interest in playing in NA at the time.

Goaltending is the one area where you can sometimes pluck a 20/30-something guy out of an obscure league in Europe and actually strike gold. Jonas Hiller, Niklas Backstrom, Viktor Fasth and Tim Thomas are notable recent examples. Of course, there is also flops like Jonas Gustavsson, Henrik Karlsson, Erik Ersberg that have proved that there are no guarantees here.

Berra's numbers in the NLA (Swiss pro league) are, to be blunt, underwhelming. If you click through the various links above, you'll notice most of the those guys were posting save rates that would be very good-excellent even in the NHL before they established themselves in the show. That's not true of Berra who hovers around the .905-.910 SV% in his pro career. This season he is 9th amongst NLA goalies with a .906 SV%, just behind former NHLer Jussi Markanen (.910).

UPDATE - Eliteprospects scout/writer Matias Strozyk had this to say about Berra when I asked him about the newest Flame goaltender today:

He's one of the better Swiss goalies, but still only 26 years old. A big guy with great athleticism and movement. Had a very good season in 11/12, this year the whole team struggled and only barely missed the playouts. His Biel contract ended and he won't be staying. Wants to head to North America next, so he would definitely be interested in going over for 13/14.

On why Berra never came over and challenged for a spot on the Blues:

If what I remember is correct, the Blues drafted him in '06 and were pretty cramped goalie-wise. That was the time Marek Schwarz was there too. I remember talking to him about all the competition and him, Bacashihua, Legace, Sanford, Lalime etc. trying to get games in St. Louis/Peoria. Berra also had a couple of low-profile seasons after his draft year and only became a regular NLA starter in 09/10 after switching from Davos to Biel. Now he's determined to move on after 4 years there.

Conclusion

Like the Iginla trade, the prospects coming back for Bouwmeester are fairly underwhelming - an undrafted AHL defenseman who might challenge for a third pairing job and a 26 year old pro goaltender who has never played the NA game and probably wasn't even in the Blues plans moving forward. One or both guys might become something of value down the road (because you just never know) but they really look like the sort of extra pieces that pretty much any organization has floating around at any given time.

39d8109299a9795cb3b41a4e9b49d501
Former Nations Overlord. Current Fn contributor and curmudgeon For questions, complaints, criticisms, etc contact Kent @ kent.wilson@gmail. Follow him on Twitter here.
Avatar
#51 Baalzamon
April 02 2013, 12:20PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Flames get MacKinnon 3rd overall, trade up using other 2 picks and get Ristolainen.

Book it.

Seriously though... quantum weirdness. Jagr goes for a song and a dance.

Avatar
#52 McRib
April 02 2013, 12:25PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

It's interesting that no one from my knowledge has mentioned, our recent Abbotsford amateur tryout signing of Michigan Tech Alum Steven Seigo!!!

Really liked his game when he was with the Bonnyville Pontiacs, thought he was a surefire NHL Draft Pick in 2008 out of the AJHL and he had a solid college career!

Hopefully we stop trading for A** Hats at some point so we can ink him in the off season. He has two assists and a +1 rating in three games so far in the AHL from the blueline.

Avatar
#53 NateBaldwin
April 02 2013, 12:27PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props
Just Sayin wrote:

I notice that Flames fans like to refer to Edmonton as Shelbyville. That's funny because what has entertained us over the years about that program is the idiocy of the residents of Springfield. And the reason the residents of Springfield dislike Shelbyville is because they are jealous of Shelbyville and its residents. They are always trying to equal or one up Shelbyville because of their own insecurities.

Sometimes I genuinely question the intelligence of the participants from Calgary on this website.

Just an observation.

I think you're just jealous that the unintelligible citizens of Calgary thought to call Edmonton Shelbyville first.

Just an observation.

Avatar
#54 Big Ell
April 02 2013, 12:30PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Maybe we can get anyone of the 2nd gen Flames in 2014 Sam Reinhart son of Paul, Nylander son of Michael, Ryan MacInnis son of Al or maybe go off the grid and take Kasper Kapanen son of Sami or Josh Wesley son of Glen. Then we can be the Young Sons, sorry!

Avatar
#55 McRib
April 02 2013, 12:32PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@NateBaldwin

You honestly knocked me off of the current page, thus rendering my comment obsolete with this ignoramus reply!!! Uggghhh, inteligent people are trying to talk here!!

Avatar
#56 McRib
April 02 2013, 12:34PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Repost thanks to NateBaldwin and his Shelbyville rant: It's interesting that no one (from my knowledge) has mentioned, our recent Abbotsford amateur tryout signing of Michigan Tech Alum D-Steven Seigo!!!

Really liked his game when he was with the Bonnyville Pontiacs, thought he was a surefire NHL Draft Pick in 2008 and he had a solid college career!

Hopefully we stop trading for A** Hats at some point so we can ink him in the off season. He has two assists and a +1 rating in three games so far in the AHL from the blueline.

Has anyone had the chance to watch him play in Abby?!?!?!

Avatar
#57 Big Ell
April 02 2013, 12:34PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Damn I almost forgot Daniel Audette son of Donald.

Avatar
#58 Parallex
April 02 2013, 12:38PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Jagr got traded today... 2nd round pick and two prospects that make the guys we got for Iggy & JBo seem like household names in comparison. Derek Roy for a 2nd as well.

... It's apparently less of a sellers market then we were led to believe. Subsequent deals are actually making our two trades seem pretty good in comparison.

Avatar
#59 McRib
April 02 2013, 12:48PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props
Baalzamon wrote:

Flames get MacKinnon 3rd overall, trade up using other 2 picks and get Ristolainen.

Book it.

Seriously though... quantum weirdness. Jagr goes for a song and a dance.

Flames fans understand there are other defenders in the draft outside of Rasmus Ristolainen.... Having seen both of them numerous times give me Josh Morrissey's intelligence and skating without trading up. Or Ryan Pulock on the PP with that second pick.

Anyway if the Flames wanted a Finn they would have taken the one that fell into their laps last year... Teemu Hartikainen... Remember it was like a gift from the Hockey Gods... An 8-10th overall projection falls... But the oldest team in the NHL trades down for a 5-6 year project...

If we don't severely mess up these 3 first rounder’s I'll be surprised. If the Flames are trading up I would think it would be for Adam Erne, with John Weisbrod's NE History. Ugghhh, and I can almost guarantee you that Zach Fucale is going to be one of our first rounder’s as well. Not that we need anymore Goaltender's. Honestly I would love to see a Madison Bowey with that third first but I doubt that happens. A Nicolas Petan, Kerby Rychel or a J.T. Compher would be nice as well.

Avatar
#60 SmellOfVictory
April 02 2013, 12:50PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

The fact that Feaster is constantly trying to acquire every single "best goalie outside the NHL" is driving me nuts. You'd think that Ramo and Taylor, plus the 2-3 other apparently good dudes in their teens/early 20s would be enough for him. I'd rather have gotten a 3rd round pick or something instead.

Avatar
#61 NateBaldwin
April 02 2013, 12:51PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@McRib

uh. see post 50.

and sorry for stepping on your intelligent technological toes( or at least giving you that impression).

Avatar
#62 Vowswithin
April 02 2013, 12:52PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@Parallex

I would imagine other GMs are pissed that feaster is a moron and set the standards so low and nobody is getting much.. Also read that 3 GMs that Dreger talked to couldn't believe how little jbo went for....

Wouldn't be surprised if he is the reason for the bad market.

Avatar
#63 clyde
April 02 2013, 12:53PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props
Parallex wrote:

Jagr got traded today... 2nd round pick and two prospects that make the guys we got for Iggy & JBo seem like household names in comparison. Derek Roy for a 2nd as well.

... It's apparently less of a sellers market then we were led to believe. Subsequent deals are actually making our two trades seem pretty good in comparison.

Jagr is 65 and got a 2nd, a 19 year old power winger who is on the rise and another tough 23 year old who has played some NHL games. Roy has a whopping 4 goals and got a 2nd and the 6th rated Vancouver prospect. These guys are more of a name than anything we got.

Avatar
#64 Captain Ron
April 02 2013, 12:56PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props
dotfras wrote:

Philly was never trading Couturier - especially not for an overpriced J Bo.

Reality Check Flames fans.

There's a reason we have an abysmal record (our players aren't as good as we make them out to be).

True True and True

Avatar
#65 Colin.S
April 02 2013, 12:56PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props
Parallex wrote:

Jagr got traded today... 2nd round pick and two prospects that make the guys we got for Iggy & JBo seem like household names in comparison. Derek Roy for a 2nd as well.

... It's apparently less of a sellers market then we were led to believe. Subsequent deals are actually making our two trades seem pretty good in comparison.

Yeah this trade deadline seems to be weird, nobody is getting top dollar for ANYTHING, though I still hope with all these no names getting traded we can offload like a sarich and Babchuk.

Avatar
#66 clyde
April 02 2013, 12:57PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props
Vowswithin wrote:

I would imagine other GMs are pissed that feaster is a moron and set the standards so low and nobody is getting much.. Also read that 3 GMs that Dreger talked to couldn't believe how little jbo went for....

Wouldn't be surprised if he is the reason for the bad market.

Detroit was offering 2 players who will be NHLers and a 2nd but Jay wanted that 26 year old Swiss superstar I guess.

Avatar
#67 Dave
April 02 2013, 12:58PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

With the flames 3 1st round draft picks I'm torn between what I think they should do.

Do you take 1 player in the top 5 plus 2 players in the bottom or do you trade your two bottom draft picks for another top ten pick and have two in the top ten?

Avatar
#68 RexLibris
April 02 2013, 12:59PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@McRib

"Anyway if the Flames wanted a Finn they would have taken the one that fell into their laps last year... Teemu Hartikainen... Remember it was like a gift from the Hockey Gods... An 8-10th overall projection falls... But the oldest team in the NHL trades down for a 5-6 year project..."

?

Hartikainen was drafted in the 6th round back in 2008. By the Oilers.

Were you thinking of Teuvo Teravainen?

Avatar
#69 piscera.infada
April 02 2013, 01:02PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@Captain Ron

Thank you both.

I'm tired of stating this.

Avatar
#70 Alt
April 02 2013, 01:04PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props
Vowswithin wrote:

I would imagine other GMs are pissed that feaster is a moron and set the standards so low and nobody is getting much.. Also read that 3 GMs that Dreger talked to couldn't believe how little jbo went for....

Wouldn't be surprised if he is the reason for the bad market.

You don't think the bad market was a result next year's salary cap,and our player's salary?

Avatar
#71 RexLibris
April 02 2013, 01:04PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props
Dave wrote:

With the flames 3 1st round draft picks I'm torn between what I think they should do.

Do you take 1 player in the top 5 plus 2 players in the bottom or do you trade your two bottom draft picks for another top ten pick and have two in the top ten?

The Flames should use every pick on players. Trading up is not a wise decision for them this year. They need to restock and the best way to insure against prospect attrition is quantity.

I suspect they'll target Jones, then a larger centre like Rychel, Mantha or perhaps Lazar (provided the Blues make the playoffs) and then try for Tristan Jarry or Zach Fucale (assuming the Penguins pick is a later 1st rounder).

I'm sure Feaster will say that the Penguins 1st round pick is an improvement over the 2nd they gave up in the Cammalleri deal and therefore entirely justifies last season's trade.

Avatar
#72 McRib
April 02 2013, 01:05PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@clyde

Uggghhh, Detroit's prospects are like GOLD!! Man Feaster is ruining everything and I was defending him before the JBo trade. Derek Roy got a better prospect than JBo and Iginla did.... Honestly we are talking about Derek "I have not broken a sweat since signing my first big deal a few years back" Roy. Buffalo and Dallas couldn't get him out of town fast enough and they get Connauton for him... who is basically a Dennis Wideman in a year or two.

Avatar
#73 McRib
April 02 2013, 01:06PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@RexLibris

Please Flames no more Goaltenders, although I would take Jerry anyday over Fucale.

Avatar
#74 RexLibris
April 02 2013, 01:11PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@McRib

I'm hoping the Oilers can somehow move up to draft Jarry.

In the second round, Jarry and Samuel Morin are interesting targets.

Avatar
#75 Vowswithin
April 02 2013, 01:15PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props
Alt wrote:

You don't think the bad market was a result next year's salary cap,and our player's salary?

Somewhat that, but feaster is never worried about that. Signed babs, and sarich and they are plugs.... Gave wideman and huddler pretty fat contracts.

Seems like retaining a few mill for next year would have been a good idea if it would have increased the value. We could have got ride of the big three and kept 2 mil for each and still been doing fine next year for cap.

If kipper goes we might have to spend to hit the cap min.

Avatar
#76 SmellOfVictory
April 02 2013, 01:26PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props
Kent Wilson wrote:

The obvious, enduring joke re: Shelbyville and Springfield in the Simpson's is the two towns are more or less the same and that the citizen's provincial dislike of one another is a satirical shot at the petty nationalism that dominates similar rivalries throughout the world. Shelbyville and Springfield are mirror images and it's only an arbitrary border and superficial differences that separate them.

"They had banished the awful lemon tree forever…because it was haunted. Now let's all celebrate with a cool glass of turnip juice.” Perhaps you should have a cool glass of something and question your own intelligence instead.

Oh SNAP.

Avatar
#77 the-wolf
April 02 2013, 01:27PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

What exactly did Detroit offer?

Avatar
#78 RexLibris
April 02 2013, 01:30PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props
the-wolf wrote:

What exactly did Detroit offer?

I'd be interested to know that as well. I'd be shocked if the list included Jarnkrok, Tatar, Jurco, or their young goalie whose name escapes me right now.

Avatar
#79 palooza
April 02 2013, 01:30PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props
Kent Wilson wrote:

The obvious, enduring joke re: Shelbyville and Springfield in the Simpson's is the two towns are more or less the same and that the citizen's provincial dislike of one another is a satirical shot at the petty nationalism that dominates similar rivalries throughout the world. Shelbyville and Springfield are mirror images and it's only an arbitrary border and superficial differences that separate them.

"They had banished the awful lemon tree forever…because it was haunted. Now let's all celebrate with a cool glass of turnip juice.” Perhaps you should have a cool glass of something and question your own intelligence instead.

@Kent Wilson congrats on possibly the best reply ever.

Avatar
#80 chillout
April 02 2013, 01:32PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@the-wolf

my money is on Jarnkrok and a 2nd or 3rd. Feast probably only takes 1st's so said no. I really have no idea

Avatar
#81 dotfras
April 02 2013, 01:47PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

KENT WITH THE TKO.

Gold!

Avatar
#82 the-wolf
April 02 2013, 01:51PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

2nd rounder and 2 prospects according to LeBrun.

But which prospects?

Avatar
#83 Smokey
April 02 2013, 01:55PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props
Vowswithin wrote:

I would imagine other GMs are pissed that feaster is a moron and set the standards so low and nobody is getting much.. Also read that 3 GMs that Dreger talked to couldn't believe how little jbo went for....

Wouldn't be surprised if he is the reason for the bad market.

As an Oilers fan I feel empathy for the Flames fan watching Feaster dismantle your organization. He's trading actual players for late first rounders and 3rd line AHL'ers. I gotta say I would not trade Tambo straight across for Feaster, and I'd do Tambo for a well used urinal puck.

Kippers probably going for 2 seconds and the rights to Rico Fata. You guys need an intervention.

Avatar
#84 chillout
April 02 2013, 01:57PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@Smokey

I'd be ok with 2 seconds for kipper right now.

Avatar
#85 suba steve
April 02 2013, 01:58PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props
chillout wrote:

I'd be ok with 2 seconds for kipper right now.

exacly what I was thinking.

Avatar
#86 Smokey
April 02 2013, 01:58PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Scott Howsen and Garth Snow and Mike Milbury are shaking their heads today.

Avatar
#87 icedawg_42
April 02 2013, 02:00PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props
suba steve wrote:

exacly what I was thinking.

Feaster will get a 3rd round pick contingent on Toronto making the playoffs and Kipper signing an extension

Avatar
#88 the-wolf
April 02 2013, 02:02PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props
suba steve wrote:

exacly what I was thinking.

We'll be lucky to get one 2nd rounder.

Avatar
#89 Smokey
April 02 2013, 02:05PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props
chillout wrote:

I'd be ok with 2 seconds for kipper right now.

If I was a GM give up a late late first for Kipper. He's going to go somewhere and steal games for the next three years. 2nds are magic beans, and you should be able to get a NHL body or a late first or early second at least.

Avatar
#90 dougtheslug
April 02 2013, 02:13PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

In 2007, Oilers had 3 first round picks - 6, 13, and 21. They managed to cash those picks into Sam Gagner, Alex Plante (like everyone else, they whiffed on P.K.Subban) and TRADED UP for the famous Riley Nash, now playing for Carolina. And that was AFTER they had upgraded their scouting system. I don't know what that proves except that a boatload of first round picks probably doesn't guarantee an insta-rebuild, unless your picks are 1, 2 and 3. And the fantasy that that you can convert a couple of late first round picks into a top 5 is probably just that - fantasy. Teams have to suffer too much for a top 5 (and really, check draft history, after the top 5 the draft quickly becomes a random lottery) to throw away a sure thing for magic beans.

Avatar
#91 Tach
April 02 2013, 02:14PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

I was trying to think of the best way to evaluate this trade. I went to Capgeek to look at what they put as Bouwmeester comparables. The closest in terms of cap hit, age, year of contract expiring and production is (strangely enough) Phaneuf.

So, this trade is basically like Calgary traded Greg Nemisz, Leland Irving and a 1st rounder for Phaneuf. Or Bouwmeester.

Would we give up more than that right now? Do you think a playoff bound team would?

Avatar
#92 dotfras
April 02 2013, 02:15PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Kipper for a 2nd + Scrivens.

2nd becomes a 4th (Anaheim's from Lupul deal) if retires.

That'd be my ideal trade scenario.

Avatar
#93 Just sayin
April 02 2013, 02:20PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props
Kent Wilson wrote:

The obvious, enduring joke re: Shelbyville and Springfield in the Simpson's is the two towns are more or less the same and that the citizen's provincial dislike of one another is a satirical shot at the petty nationalism that dominates similar rivalries throughout the world. Shelbyville and Springfield are mirror images and it's only an arbitrary border and superficial differences that separate them.

"They had banished the awful lemon tree forever…because it was haunted. Now let's all celebrate with a cool glass of turnip juice.” Perhaps you should have a cool glass of something and question your own intelligence instead.

I don't disagree with your assessment of the running satirical comment that is the Simpsons.

On a much more basic level, in an effort to dumb it down for you guys, if the idiots live in Springfield and Edmonton is Shelbyville.....

Anyways I appreciate the reaction and the replies to my comment. Really helped to confirm my suspicions.

Except for you Kent, you at least sounded intelligent.

Avatar
#94 dotfras
April 02 2013, 02:25PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props
dougtheslug wrote:

In 2007, Oilers had 3 first round picks - 6, 13, and 21. They managed to cash those picks into Sam Gagner, Alex Plante (like everyone else, they whiffed on P.K.Subban) and TRADED UP for the famous Riley Nash, now playing for Carolina. And that was AFTER they had upgraded their scouting system. I don't know what that proves except that a boatload of first round picks probably doesn't guarantee an insta-rebuild, unless your picks are 1, 2 and 3. And the fantasy that that you can convert a couple of late first round picks into a top 5 is probably just that - fantasy. Teams have to suffer too much for a top 5 (and really, check draft history, after the top 5 the draft quickly becomes a random lottery) to throw away a sure thing for magic beans.

I think 2003 is a more comparable year in regards to the quality of players.

The LA Kings had 3 selections in the first round and took:

13 Dustin Brown 26 Brian Boyle 27 Jeff Tambellini

While I agree on your sentiments re: no SURE THINGS outside of first few picks, the Flames finally have an opportunity to select some highly touted prospects - something that hasn't been normal.

I'm excited about the possibilities, and am hoping that we can add some valuable pieces to the franchise moving forward.

Avatar
#95 NateBaldwin
April 02 2013, 02:31PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@Just sayin

"...in an effort to dumb it down for you guys, if the idiots live in Springfield and Edmonton is Shelbyville..."

then we're all... idiots?

oh I see what you did there... very clever...

Avatar
#96 Victoria Flames Fan
April 02 2013, 03:01PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Link to fight between current Avalanche captain Gabriel Landeskog and new Flame Mark Cundari: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTY0orBd4BU

Avatar
#97 dougtheslug
April 02 2013, 04:30PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props
dotfras wrote:

I think 2003 is a more comparable year in regards to the quality of players.

The LA Kings had 3 selections in the first round and took:

13 Dustin Brown 26 Brian Boyle 27 Jeff Tambellini

While I agree on your sentiments re: no SURE THINGS outside of first few picks, the Flames finally have an opportunity to select some highly touted prospects - something that hasn't been normal.

I'm excited about the possibilities, and am hoping that we can add some valuable pieces to the franchise moving forward.

I think that sort of sums it up. 2003 was an amazing draft - look at all those great players from that year. Yet....3 first rounders for LA - one home run(Brown), Boyle,a useful depth forward who didnt play a full NHL season until 7 years after he was drafted (and was with the Rangers by then), and a guy who is in the Swiss elite league now. And LA had two shots at a future Hart trophy winner(Corey Perry) and whiffed both times. Don't get me wrong, I would rather have the picks than not have them - and the more you have the more likely you strike gold, but building through the draft is maddeningly frustrating and requires patience, a very thick skin(as you collect a few years worth of top 5's) and not a little bit of luck.

Avatar
#98 Baalzamon
April 02 2013, 04:35PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@RexLibris

If the Flames draft Curtis Lazar I will go postal. He's EXACTLY the player who should have a giant red X painted across his face.

Avatar
#99 kantsequentialist
April 02 2013, 05:06PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props
RexLibris wrote:

The Flames should use every pick on players. Trading up is not a wise decision for them this year. They need to restock and the best way to insure against prospect attrition is quantity.

I suspect they'll target Jones, then a larger centre like Rychel, Mantha or perhaps Lazar (provided the Blues make the playoffs) and then try for Tristan Jarry or Zach Fucale (assuming the Penguins pick is a later 1st rounder).

I'm sure Feaster will say that the Penguins 1st round pick is an improvement over the 2nd they gave up in the Cammalleri deal and therefore entirely justifies last season's trade.

I want MacKinnon or Barkov with our top pick. Goal scoring/playmaking Center. I almost hope we don't draft first so that Feaster isn't tempted to take Jones. Admittedly, he is the best player in the draft, but we need the big center more.

Avatar
#100 RKD
April 02 2013, 05:31PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

I have to keep repeating myself, GMs were not going to give us Saad, Frolik, Depres, Maata, Bennett, Spooner, or Knight for Iggy. Nor Ty Rattie for Jay-Bo. When Reg was traded people were delusional in thinking we would land Kassian or Myers. Pipe dreams.

Trading Jay-Bo tomorrow doesn't guarantee we would have got better return, the Red Wings GM Ken Holland refused to even offer us a first round pick for Jay-Bo. In fact, the return could have been thinner.

Am I disappointed the prospects aren't as high, as any Flames fan would be, yes. I am excited to have two first round picks, I don't see the Blues missing the playoffs. The draft pool is very deep this year, there is no better time to collect picks than now. We could have up to 3-5 picks by tomorrow afternoon, when was the last time the Flames had three or more first round picks?

Cundari looks like he is the most NHL ready.

Comments are closed for this article.