GDB 46.0: LOTS ON THE LINE

Jason Gregor
April 24 2013 12:13PM

  

While Detroit and Columbus battle for 8th place in the west, and the Rangers and Jets try to giveaway their playoff berth, the Oilers are in an epic battle to secure a top-five draft pick. Victories by Carolina and Nashville last night have given the Oilers a legitimate shot at the #4 pick, and a loss tonight would move them into 26th (fifth pick).

I feel for Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle and the other players who give a solid effort most nights, because losing sucks, and this year the feelings of frustration, anger, failure and disappointment are more apparent than ever. Oilersnation is as beaten down as some of the players. Many said the 2012 season was rock bottom, however, that isn't the case; this year is turning out to be worse.

The Oilers were supposed to improve and compete for the playoffs this year. They did have a five-game winning streak that had them in the playoffs for ONE day, but since that 24-hour tease the Oilers have plummeted down the standings.

There will be no quick fix for the Oilers in the off-season. They won't be able to fool their fans into believing that an appearance by Oscar Klefbom and their first-round pick will be enough to make them competitive. They sure as hell better not fool themselves into believing that, because the reality is that this team needs improving in many areas.

The most pressing concern for this team is the need to improve their blueline. You can't win with limited size and strength on the backend. They desperately need a legitimate top-pairing defender, however, those aren't easy to find. 

Those changes aren't possible during these final three games, but the players who are in the lineup tonight can at least give an honest effort. Show some pride, show some desire. When your best player, Taylor Hall, is giving a solid effort you'd think the lower-tier players would follow his lead.

If they don't, that should tell Craig MacTavish all he needs to know.

LINEUP

Hall-Gagner-Eberle
Paajarvi-Lander-Yakupov
Hartikainen-Horcoff--Jones
Smyth-Smithson-Brown

Smid-Petry
N.Schultz-J.Schultz
Whitney-Potter

Dubnyk

Ryan Whitney has a lower body injury, leg, and he will sit tonight. Magnus Paajarvi is healthy so Eric Belanger returns to the pressbox.

The Oilers need to show up tonight, or the Blackhawks will embarrass them. The good news is that the Oilers are 4-1-1 vs. the Hawks over the past two seasons. and they've outscored them 32-23.

At the very least they need to be competitive tonight.

QUICK HITS

  • I disagree with those who believe the Gretzky statue should stay at Rexall, IF or when a new arena actually gets built. Gretzky is connected to the Oilers, not Northlands, Sky Reach Centre or Rexall Place. Molsons purchased the statue and spokesperson Julie Gathercole said,
     
  • I did, however, agree with Mark Spector's thoughts on my show. He said, "The Katz Group should step up and build their own statue at the new rink." That makes sense. They should finally step up and lead the charge. They should build some real statues, like the Roberto Clemente one in Pittsburgh (above, how awesome is that). Make a statement and show the fans you are committed to the past, present and future of your franchise. Spend some of your own money.
     
  • Why are so many fans in love with Teemu Hartikainen? What has he done? He has played 22 games and he has 0 ES points. Zero. If I'm not mistaken, he hasn't even been on the ice for an ES goal. He has an incredible opportunity to earn himself a regular NHL job, but he's done nothing to show he wants that job. Players need to realize they don't get NHL jobs handed to them. They need to earn them.
     
  • Ralph Krueger agreed that Hartikainen needs to be more aggressive and have more pushback. "It is important as part of your persona that you respond to that (Beauchemin hit), whether you are a skilled player or not. It is the grit within our offence that is a major element that is missing on our team. We need to have that from guys who aren't PP guys. He is trying to figure that out, and he needs to become more aggressive with his personality."
     
  • Gotta love the NHL. The Panthers, the worst team in the league, defeated the Rangers, in a fight for their playoff lives, last night. Did anyone pick the Panthers on their Sports Select ticket? I doubt it. Most of us assume the Hawks will win tonight, but in the NHL you never know from game-to-game who will win.
     
  • Oscar Klefbom has spent the past few seasons playing against men, and he looks like he can handle the physical toll of the NHL. He is bigger than many of the guys in the Oilers room. It was refreshing to hear this from Krueger today, "I think he will be able to come to camp and push for the #6 spot on our blueline." The last thing the Oilers need to do is pencil him into their top-four. They need to find proven top-four veterans to play there. If Klefbom comes in and blows the doors off, great, but this team can't expect to improve if they pin their hopes on another young defender.
     
  • Alex Ovechkin leads the NHL with 31 goals. In the 48-game, 1995 season five players had 30+ goals. Owen Nolan, Ray Sheppard and Alex Zhamnov had 30, Jaromir Jagr had 32 and Peter Bondra led the league with 34 goals. The crazy stat is that Bondra only had 9 assists. NINE freaking assists in 48 games, despite scoring 34 goals.
     
  • Here are some other goal-scoring leaders who came close to Bondra's Goals/assist ratio:
                                         YEAR     GP       G         A       PTS
    Cy Denneny               1924      22        22       2        24
    Babe Dye                   1925      29        38       8        46
    Nels Stewart             1926      36        34       8        44
    Maurice Richard       1945      50        50       23      73
    Gaye Stewart             1946      50        37       15      52   
    Bobby Hull                 1962      70        50       34      84
    Bobby Hull                 1967      66        52       28      80
    Peter Bondra             1995      47        34        9       43

    Bondra's season was unlike anything the NHL had seen in 70 years.
     
  • Did you notice Babe Dye's 1925 season? He had 38 goals in 29 games, which was 1.31 goals/game. When Gretzky scored 50 in 39 he was at 1.28. Technically Dye had missed one of his team's game so he had 38 goals in 30 of his team's games which dropped him to 1.26. Either way, Dye had an unreal 1925 season. 
     
  • Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle and Devan Dubnyk have accepted invitations to the World Championships. Sources tell me Steven Stamkos, Claude Giroux, Eric and Jordan Staal are also likely to be going. Also Justin Schultz, Nick Schultz and Sam Gagner might get an invite. Ladislav Smid will play for the Czech Repulic. Nail Yakupov, Jeff Petry also have a good chance of representing the USA and Russia.

 TONIGHT....

GAME DAY PREDICTION: The last time the Hawks were in Edmonton Sam Gagner had 4 goals and 8 points. No one expected that to happen, so anything is possible tonight. We'll see 10 goals tonight, but the Oilers will lose 6-4.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Andy Moog gets a huge ovation, and before puck drop someone will have the Moog mini-stick they received before the game listed on Kijiji. Likely for $30 bucks.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Oilers fans despite being beaten down, will give a standing ovation in the 2nd period after the 4-89-14 line hem the Hawks in for 30 seconds. The dedication and passion of Oilers fans never ceases to amaze me.

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#51 Hair bag
April 24 2013, 03:02PM
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Mike Krushelnyski wrote:

6 cups, remember? The 6th will be on his massive wang

That's some funny sh*t!

On the Hartikainen note, he is still only 22. I don't think he is ever going to be a scrapper but a couple more yrs of seasoning and he could become a formidable 3rd line power forward that bangs bodies and pots 15 or so...definitely need more grit that can play but I'm not ready to throw Harti to the scrap heap just yet either...

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#52 2004Z06
April 24 2013, 03:03PM
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I cannot believe that people still want the Oilers to tank for the draft! Yes please continue to send the message to this team/organization/fanbase that failure is something to be rewarded.

Have you no pride!

We wonder why such a horrible losing culture has infiltrated this organization.....This is exactly why.

We actually throw draft parties to celebrate our bottom 5 efforts!

Sickens me!

They need to change this draft system because this current tanking for the last 15-20 games is not the right message.

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#53 Ales Hallsky
April 24 2013, 03:04PM
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Joel wrote:

What would it take to get Adam Larsson? He would be a top 4 pick in this draft.

Omark and a 2nd.

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#54 Eddie Shore
April 24 2013, 03:08PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

I agree, valid point. For a guy his size plays a very soft game, besides he has "ham hands " around the net, and his skating is not really at the NHL level. This guy didnt tear up the AHL either. This is your first hint.

Stu MacGregor, got any else in our basket of goodies.

111 points in 164 career AHL games. Not tearing it up by any stretch but those numbers are pretty decent considering he was a 6th round pick and is still only 22 years old.

However, he definitely needs to be consistently physical as well as chipping in with some secondary offense in order to justify a spot on this roster next year.

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#55 Hair bag
April 24 2013, 03:09PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Well according to the pipe smoking aluminaty stuffy shirts over at another site.

~ Hartikainen is just so useful, he deserves at least another 15 or 16 more opportunities to show he's got it!! The Oilers have all the time in the world to let players like Hartikainen develop right in there main roster!!

Never mind he hasn't done anything tangible while playing easy minutes, I say play him against the toughs Again! Nothing bad happened before!!

But hey, the career coach is wrong, his numbers in the NHL must be wrong, based on those outstanding Corsi numbers and shooting percentages he's a lock for the 3rd line checking role, never mind that he actually doesn't check or hit anyone, he'll catch on in the next two years ~

There is still potential there - sign him and let him keep playing in OKC, bring him up as a call up when needed. He is definitely no Lucic, Ott, etc. but he is still only 22 and has come a long way for a 6th round pick in his development. Is he an NHLer now - no. But I think that he could possibly be in a couple yrs...

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#56 Sean17
April 24 2013, 03:09PM
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I see a lot of Tier 1 Oiler fans are selling their tickets on Kijiji....

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#57 Walter Sobchak
April 24 2013, 03:10PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

Support this claim. Where are the throngs of devoted Hartikainen fans? I'd wager most oiler fans barely know who he is. Those that do tend to have pretty modest expectations of him: like playing better than Smithson, Belanger, Brown, Eager, Petrell and Hordichuk.

I know who he is.

I got one problem with your comparison with those you mentioned, they all suck, so comparing Hartkainen to players that we know suck isn't a strong case for Hartkainen at all.

Doesn't mean he belongs here, it just means Tambellini can't assess actual NHL talent to replace a player like Hartkainen.

Oh, we're you not ok with Taylor Hall taking a retaliatory penalty and subsequent suspension for taking a shot at a player who rode him hard?

You did.

So why should Hartkainen this player who's job it is to hit, not hit someone back?

This is why the Oilers lose, this is why teams pound on the Oilers and this is why the Oilers are so easy to play against.

But advance stats don't show you that so it's incomprehensible to believe its actually happening.

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#58 Romulus' Apotheosis
April 24 2013, 03:10PM
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~because hitting and checking correlate so well to winning!~

http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=5617

http://nhlnumbers.com/2013/3/7/why-shot-differential-is-important-item-45604

http://thehockeywriters.com/hit-or-myth-busting-your-way-to-success-in-the-nhl-or-not/

http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2013/02/25/breaking-news-puck-possession-is-important-and-nobody-told-the-cbc/

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#59 The Beaker
April 24 2013, 03:13PM
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Does anyone really know how bad or not so bad Barkov's footspeed is? I want the Oil to get him badly but the footspeed comments scare me.

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#60 Walter Sobchak
April 24 2013, 03:14PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

~because hitting and checking correlate so well to winning!~

http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=5617

http://nhlnumbers.com/2013/3/7/why-shot-differential-is-important-item-45604

http://thehockeywriters.com/hit-or-myth-busting-your-way-to-success-in-the-nhl-or-not/

http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2013/02/25/breaking-news-puck-possession-is-important-and-nobody-told-the-cbc/

Ok, then why do teams like San Jose, The Ducks, all say the same thing? The Oilers are an easy team to play against.

I never said anything about hitting! I said he's SOFT!

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#61 Walter Sobchak
April 24 2013, 03:16PM
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The Beaker wrote:

Does anyone really know how bad or not so bad Barkov's footspeed is? I want the Oil to get him badly but the footspeed comments scare me.

Button mentions his foot speed is relative to how hard he wants to push, or has to push, doesn't seem to think it will be an issue in the NHL

Edit. There is a link but I'm to lazy to put it up, but should be on TSN web page under Button.

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#62 westcoastoil
April 24 2013, 03:16PM
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Toro wrote:

I also don't get why everyone is so in love with Hartikainen , he doesn't bang nearly as much as he should, he got rocked last game and disappeared for the rest of the night, doesn't provide offense, doesn't stick up for teammates... And there all but guaranteeing this guy a job next year outta camp...I don't get it

Totally agree. Seen lots of the games on tv, but I was at the Ducks game (because I want KLowe to call me for advice this off-season).

Harti was a non-factor before and after he got rocked. Didn't see hit make a noticeable hit. Did the stand in front on the PP thing, but honestly Smyth should have been there instead based on the way he was playing compared to Harti. If this is his statement time for next year he'll be getting his lunch eaten by someone else. Compare his effort to what we're seeing out of the Cowtown AHL crew.

Also, I know he's been ripped lots this year - but i had no idea how truly soft Whitney has been. There were at least 4 times on the PP where he bailed on the slightest body contact which allowed the Ducks to clear the zone. I'd be so pi$$ed playing with a guy like that. He should be scratched for the season.

The handling of Peckham is indefensible on so many levels. Apart from wasting an asset, if you, he and every player know he's never getting into a game why have that non-sense in your room day after day. Stupid move all around.

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#63 The Beaker
April 24 2013, 03:17PM
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Hope its not an issue. Scary though. Not sure what that means really? How hard he wants to push? That reads like an issue with competitiveness.

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#64 Will
April 24 2013, 03:18PM
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@Moses

But that's just it. What are these "things" going right or wrong. I understand individual games where bounces go one way or the other, but for a whole season to be chalked up to mysterious "things" is so frustrating as a fan. It is encouraging to see other teams, built in different ways also struggling to get "things" to go right, it just doesn't make sense why "things" are going wrong with the Oilers when they prove time and time again they have what it takes for "things" to go right.

I can't think of a team that has more pure skill, our D is not the worst in the league, and our goal tending is at worst average. So why, as a team are they at best terrible? Especially this year when it'd be hard to use excuses like injuries, or Hemsky not playing with skill, or any of the many well worn excuses of Oiler failure in the past. There just doesn't seem to be a good reason, and that is causing fans to look at things like size, grit, compete, defensive holes, Whitney, Potter, Belangier, etc.

This team is losing as a team, and whatever needs to happen for that to stop should. I really wish I knew what that was, but I don't, and I'm not just saying the Oilers. We need a bigger team, well the rangers are big and gritty and are struggling. We need better players, well Tampa's a team with one of the best and is losing. We need a stud defender, well Nashville has one of best in the league and can't win. We need more experience and better management, well Detroit has those in spades and they might miss the playoffs this year. For everything the Oilers need, I think there is an example of a team this year that fits that make up and is not doing well. So again, I don't know, I'm mad, frustrated, sick of it, and am hopeful finally, this summer, our needs will be addressed and we ice a competitive team next year that is going to have a tough time in the division if it does not get better!

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#65 Romulus' Apotheosis
April 24 2013, 03:19PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Support this claim. Where are the throngs of devoted Hartikainen fans? I'd wager most oiler fans barely know who he is. Those that do tend to have pretty modest expectations of him: like playing better than Smithson, Belanger, Brown, Eager, Petrell and Hordichuk.

I know who he is.

I got one problem with your comparison with those you mentioned, they all suck, so comparing Hartkainen to players that we know suck isn't a strong case for Hartkainen at all.

Doesn't mean he belongs here, it just means Tambellini can't assess actual NHL talent to replace a player like Hartkainen.

Oh, we're you not ok with Taylor Hall taking a retaliatory penalty and subsequent suspension for taking a shot at a player who rode him hard?

You did.

So why should Hartkainen this player who's job it is to hit, not hit someone back?

This is why the Oilers lose, this is why teams pound on the Oilers and this is why the Oilers are so easy to play against.

But advance stats don't show you that so it's incomprehensible to believe its actually happening.

Whether you know who he is, is irrelevant to Gregor's claim.

The limited case for Hartikainen's value can't in good faith be ripped from the context in which it is made.

The people saying Hartikainen is a better option than "Smithson, Belanger, Brown, Eager, Petrell and Hordichuk" are making an extraordinarily limited claim.

They are not saying "World's Greatest Player!!! Give him 1st line duties forever!"

This is a complete straw man, even if I've expressed it hyperbolically

They are saying given the state of the team at the end of the lockout, Hartikainen was a better option than players who were placed ahead of him on the depth chart.

I fail to see this as an unreasonable position and you don't appear to have even tried to make that case.

Rather you have bought into the same straw man Gregor offered and supplemented it was a lot of smoke and mirrors.

If MacT manages to find competent NHLers to push Hartikainen down into the AHL for some more seasoning...

Well... I'd like to see the list of "fans in love with Teemu Hartikainen" who wouldn't welcome such a prospect.

Oddly I doubt that massive list would amount to a many more than a handful of people with an idiosyncratic attachment to the player.

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#66 Walter Sobchak
April 24 2013, 03:21PM
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The Beaker wrote:

Hope its not an issue. Scary though. Not sure what that means really? How hard he wants to push? That reads like an issue with competitiveness.

Not at all, I'm not conveying what Button means by that, I would say skates like Getzlaf, not fast, not slow but with the play....I'll find the link lol!

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#67 Hair bag
April 24 2013, 03:22PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Maybe, but are you not tired of waiting around to find out?

Could we package him with another player to get something now?

I say see ya.

If you could make him part of a package to get something better - absolutely! But I don't know how many other teams are looking to take on a project like him...just saying if nothing else leave him in OKC to develop more - he still has a couple of yrs to show something. Most average players take until 23/24 to come into their own - he could be that late bloomer. For those thinking he will be a grit/enforcer type savior they're wishing on a prayer... He definitely doesn't hurt anything playing in OKC. He's only really been on the radar for the last 18mos, and that is because the Oilers system is bare of anything he brings to the table. I think the only reason he has gotten so much attention is that there is no one else like him in the system - but at the end of the day he was a sixth rounder who wasn't expected to do anything...

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#68 Romulus' Apotheosis
April 24 2013, 03:28PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Ok, then why do teams like San Jose, The Ducks, all say the same thing? The Oilers are an easy team to play against.

I never said anything about hitting! I said he's SOFT!

read your own comments:

"he's a lock for the 3rd line checking role, never mind that he actually doesn't check or hit anyone, he'll catch on in the next two years"

"So why should Hartkainen this player who's job it is to hit, not hit someone back?"

What do you mean by "soft" if not (in your own words) "checking" "hitting" etc?

To me the opposite of "soft" is "strong on the puck" which is just an everyday way of saying "maintains puck possession" or "manages the puck well"

That is a quality I want in a player. One who can drive the puck into the offensive zone and keep it there directing shots at the opposition.

Corsirel is the best measure we have for this.

Hartikainen - as rough a player as he is -- is better at this than a lot of the other options on our team.

He is not "soft"

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#69 Romulus' Apotheosis
April 24 2013, 03:31PM
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BTW

we are a "soft" team to play against.

We are horrible at maintaining puck possession, exiting our zone and directing shots against.

those are very real problems of the Oil and "soft" is a good laymen's, shorthand description of them.

But "soft" shouldn't be confused with lack of hitting, taking penalties, etc.

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#70 lolhockey
April 24 2013, 03:32PM
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Barkov or Bust! That should be the new slogan for the remainder of the season.

Unless I'm imagining it, I remember there was a short tournament (U17?) played during the lockout this year. IIRC, Barkov was there and he was fantastic. He was the second best player in that tournament.

Connor McDavid was best of course.

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#71 Eddie Shore
April 24 2013, 03:33PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Maybe, but are you not tired of waiting around to find out?

Could we package him with another player to get something now?

I say see ya.

So we want the Oilers to take their time and season prospects in the minors without handing them NHL jobs. Now, because Teemu has struggled in the 51 NHL games he has played, we are tired of waiting and should trade him away.

He should be in the AHL unless his play warrants otherwise. Problem is, the parent club is so poorly assembled he was asked, like many before him, to play in situations and be relied upon when is just isn't ready for it.

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#72 GVBlackhawk
April 24 2013, 03:34PM
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Hair bag wrote:

There is still potential there - sign him and let him keep playing in OKC, bring him up as a call up when needed. He is definitely no Lucic, Ott, etc. but he is still only 22 and has come a long way for a 6th round pick in his development. Is he an NHLer now - no. But I think that he could possibly be in a couple yrs...

He will have to clear waivers next year in order to play in OKC. That's not going to happen. He's either going to be a 4th line guy or trade bait.

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#73 Walter Sobchak
April 24 2013, 03:39PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Whether you know who he is, is irrelevant to Gregor's claim.

The limited case for Hartikainen's value can't in good faith be ripped from the context in which it is made.

The people saying Hartikainen is a better option than "Smithson, Belanger, Brown, Eager, Petrell and Hordichuk" are making an extraordinarily limited claim.

They are not saying "World's Greatest Player!!! Give him 1st line duties forever!"

This is a complete straw man, even if I've expressed it hyperbolically

They are saying given the state of the team at the end of the lockout, Hartikainen was a better option than players who were placed ahead of him on the depth chart.

I fail to see this as an unreasonable position and you don't appear to have even tried to make that case.

Rather you have bought into the same straw man Gregor offered and supplemented it was a lot of smoke and mirrors.

If MacT manages to find competent NHLers to push Hartikainen down into the AHL for some more seasoning...

Well... I'd like to see the list of "fans in love with Teemu Hartikainen" who wouldn't welcome such a prospect.

Oddly I doubt that massive list would amount to a many more than a handful of people with an idiosyncratic attachment to the player.

He might be a better player then those mentioned........I would also argue not by much!

If he needs the AHL then keep him there, but he is not producing squat in the NHL, that you cannot argue.

My argument against him is this, the Oilers, no longer can wait around for him to develop, the Oilers need to upgrade everywhere and his roster spot is an area of weakness.

He's 22 and has he really got better? Marginally at best.

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#74 Walter Sobchak
April 24 2013, 03:40PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

BTW

we are a "soft" team to play against.

We are horrible at maintaining puck possession, exiting our zone and directing shots against.

those are very real problems of the Oil and "soft" is a good laymen's, shorthand description of them.

But "soft" shouldn't be confused with lack of hitting, taking penalties, etc.

That's a much better way of putting it, yes this is exactly what I mean?

Thank you.

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#75 Rama Lama
April 24 2013, 03:41PM
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We are getting dangerously close to that spot where someone from the Oilers are going to view trading up...........from wherever we end up to securing the first spot?

What if we were to offer to swap picks and move up? What would we have to offer to get this? Maybe a prospect and a second round pick?

I hope that Mac T is bold enough to pull someting off like this?

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#76 Eddie Shore
April 24 2013, 03:44PM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

He will have to clear waivers next year in order to play in OKC. That's not going to happen. He's either going to be a 4th line guy or trade bait.

Where did you read this? I just checked on capgeek and, unless I did it wrong, he still has 1 year or 109 NHL games until he is waiver eligible.

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#77 Walter Sobchak
April 24 2013, 03:45PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

So we want the Oilers to take their time and season prospects in the minors without handing them NHL jobs. Now, because Teemu has struggled in the 51 NHL games he has played, we are tired of waiting and should trade him away.

He should be in the AHL unless his play warrants otherwise. Problem is, the parent club is so poorly assembled he was asked, like many before him, to play in situations and be relied upon when is just isn't ready for it.

Agreed, not Hartkainen fault, I realize that, this is a damning indictment of the regime.

It's not unlike the handling of Paajarvi or Lander.

Having said that he's going to need waivers next year, so moving him makes some sense.

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#78 nunyour
April 24 2013, 03:46PM
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if the oilers are so soft,why draft a finn in barkov?

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#79 Walter Sobchak
April 24 2013, 03:48PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

We are getting dangerously close to that spot where someone from the Oilers are going to view trading up...........from wherever we end up to securing the first spot?

What if we were to offer to swap picks and move up? What would we have to offer to get this? Maybe a prospect and a second round pick?

I hope that Mac T is bold enough to pull someting off like this?

I think it's imperative they do move up! Swap picks plus both seconds and maybe a roster player?

Possible Paajarvi? Or is tat to much?

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#80 TKB2677
April 24 2013, 03:49PM
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The Oilers should double shift Gagner as much as they can. With his inability to win a draw and him not able to play any sort of defence, that would go a long way in making sure they lose. While they are at it, what's Hemsky's status? With his give a sh!t factor being -150. They should double shift him too to really make sure the Oilers lose. Get as high a draft pick as they can.

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#81 Walter Sobchak
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nunyour wrote:

if the oilers are so soft,why draft a finn in barkov?

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=407200

He's not soft.

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#82 Ducey
April 24 2013, 03:55PM
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So Whitney is injured and not playing but is in the lineup??

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#83 Romulus' Apotheosis
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Agreed, not Hartkainen fault, I realize that, this is a damning indictment of the regime.

It's not unlike the handling of Paajarvi or Lander.

Having said that he's going to need waivers next year, so moving him makes some sense.

If you can trade a 6th rounder into something of NHL value, than that's pretty good return on investment.

I think we need to keep our expectations modest here.

I suspect he either plays a limited 4th line role next year (maybe 45 games on the 4th and 10 on the 3rd), or he spends the entire season in the AHL.

He will be waiver eligible (as you mention) so those are probably his options.

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#84 Rocket
April 24 2013, 03:57PM
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He might be a better player then those mentioned........I would also argue not by much!

If he needs the AHL then keep him there, but he is not producing squat in the NHL, that you cannot argue.

My argument against him is this, the Oilers, no longer can wait around for him to develop, the Oilers need to upgrade everywhere and his roster spot is an area of weakness.

He's 22 and has he really got better? Marginally at best.

Agreed. People keep talking about how he needs more time to develop. He's only 22 so we'll see in a couple years? That gets you another petrell. Which line does he play on again?

I'm not really against Harsky but it's not like he's untradable if a replacement is available.

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#85 Rama Lama
April 24 2013, 04:02PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I think it's imperative they do move up! Swap picks plus both seconds and maybe a roster player?

Possible Paajarvi? Or is tat to much?

I would think swapping picks plus a second round pick or a prospect should do it..........the question then becomes, just how much better is Jones vs Barkov?

In my mind no one can predict this so an overpayment should be kept to a minimum.

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#86 Rocket
April 24 2013, 04:11PM
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Barkov seems like this years Grigorenko. A big strong centre who should draft high. Last year I really wanted The Oilers to try to trade for Grigs & draft Yak.

I wonder if management will actually try hard for Barkov or will he maybe fall in rankings like Grigorenko?

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#87 Hair bag
April 24 2013, 04:19PM
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Agreed. People keep talking about how he needs more time to develop. He's only 22 so we'll see in a couple years? That gets you another petrell. Which line does he play on again?

I'm not really against Harsky but it's not like he's untradable if a replacement is available.

Not even close! Petrell was a 28yr old rookie last year - Harikainen is still on the upswing. Perhaps he can be signed to a two-way deal, that way he would not need to clear waivers to go back and forth...

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#88 Rocket
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Not even close! Petrell was a 28yr old rookie last year - Harikainen is still on the upswing. Perhaps he can be signed to a two-way deal, that way he would not need to clear waivers to go back and forth...

I'd be OK with signing him to a two year deal. All I'm saying is that based on recent games, he is still a huge question mark.

I like him though so I hope he turns out. I just don't want another J.F. Jacques.

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#89 Tikkanese
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We all agree the Oilers' biggest needs are scoring veteran size and two top Def. Next in line is a top two and hopefully big center(either moving Gags to the wing or sadly trading the featherweight champ). Not to mention a 4th line center not named Belanger or Smithson. That is a heck of a lot of major holes to fill and there's no way we can trade for that all, let alone hope a Barkov or Klefbom can step in and fill those holes next year well enough for us to make the playoffs.

Not sure if it's been said before but the Oil need to sign Clarkson this summer no matter what it costs. He is exactly what we need and is the cream of the UFA crop. If it takes 8 mill per year then that's what it takes. We may not be his ideal location but money talks. If we beat his best offer elsewhere by at least 1 million, it would be hard to say no. Throw in Clowe to if they can, he might end up being an expensive 3rd liner here depending on what happens but either way he's a vast improvement.

We can hope and pray MacT pulls off all these dream trades without touching the core but it just isn't going to happen. A signed Clarkson means MacT can concentrate on trading for some Def and/or a big center because the available pool is very weak this year. Streit isn't the answer on D either.

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#90 Rama Lama
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Of the top ten pick the only question in my mind is, who is the toughest/meanest of the bunch..........then I would move heaven and earth to draft him.

A close second to that would be who is the most motivated/toughest of the bunch.

I for one do not want a highly skilled player that lacks courage and conviction.

if anyone know who fits this bill, please respond.

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#91 Jeffff
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Does not matter who Oilers pick, this is a Kevin Lowe run team, they will lose. Aside from being an egomaniac , Kevin has never shown he can build a winning team. Shuffling the deck won't help.

Same comment next year 2014.

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#92 jeffff
April 24 2013, 04:49PM
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Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Kevin Lowe is a cancer. Expecting him to change is insanity.

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#93 non descript
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Jeffff wrote:

Does not matter who Oilers pick, this is a Kevin Lowe run team, they will lose. Aside from being an egomaniac , Kevin has never shown he can build a winning team. Shuffling the deck won't help.

Same comment next year 2014.

couldnt agree more

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#94 He Who Knows
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Lowe has to go! Lowe has to go! Lowe has to go! Everyone needs to start chanting that instead of Lets go Oilers,because we all know they are going no where.

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#95 horndog77
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Instead of Edmonton drafting young talent maybe they should use this high pick as a bargaining chip to land a real defenseman. As great it would be to trade up and go after Seth Jones, the problem would be that it would take a while for him to be what they need. No more young guys, they've got enough.

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#96 MarcusBillius
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Gregor, you make a good point. Katz is awfully good with the taxpayers' money.

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#97 Yak Attack
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Jeffff wrote:

Does not matter who Oilers pick, this is a Kevin Lowe run team, they will lose. Aside from being an egomaniac , Kevin has never shown he can build a winning team. Shuffling the deck won't help.

Same comment next year 2014.

When K Lowe hired Tambo and moved himself upstairs, K Lowe was the target of many to be fired as the GM. He had pissed off enough other GM's, Buffalo, Anahiem and others that he couldnt make a hockey trade if his life depended on it. So the puppet and eventual sacrifical goat was hired. I said at the time that Tambo was hired to be fired and protect K Lowe from losing his job.

It is time to re-build the re-build from the top down ! His vision and direction has made the Oilers the laughing stock of the league and the reason that players won't come here.

Say goodbye to Kevin and let MacT rebuild the once proud Oilers

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#98 Rama Lama
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When K Lowe hired Tambo and moved himself upstairs, K Lowe was the target of many to be fired as the GM. He had pissed off enough other GM's, Buffalo, Anahiem and others that he couldnt make a hockey trade if his life depended on it. So the puppet and eventual sacrifical goat was hired. I said at the time that Tambo was hired to be fired and protect K Lowe from losing his job.

It is time to re-build the re-build from the top down ! His vision and direction has made the Oilers the laughing stock of the league and the reason that players won't come here.

Say goodbye to Kevin and let MacT rebuild the once proud Oilers

Careful.........Jasmine will bash you!

Kevin Lowe is the greatest GM of all time........after all he won six Stanley cups!

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#99 Yak Attack
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He did pretty good in 2006. One game from the Cup is a winning team.

In 2006 the Oilers caught lightning in a bottle. We snuck into the 8th seed on the last day of the season. Every player played over their skill level. We blocked shots, sacrificed the body and rode a extremley hot goaltender to the finals. That was not management, that was heart.

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#100 madjam
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Barkov now rated NBR.2 . I like 6-3 V.Nichushkin to replace Hemsky and A. Slepychev 6-1 would be a catch in second round . Both played very well against our Canadian squad as I recall .

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