Flames Finish 25th...

Kent Wilson
April 27 2013 08:47PM

 

 

...And are in line to draft 6th overall in the draft, absent an lottery enduced changes. Calgary has an 6.2% chance to win the lottery and pick first overall. It's also possible someone back in the order wins the thing, which would bump the Flames to 7th.

The Flames franchise has never picked in the top-5 in the NHL draft and there's a 94% chance that won't happen this June, despite the club's best efforts to finish as low as possible. The only other time the organization has picked as high as 6th, they chose Rico Fata and Daniel Tkaczuk.

*a chill wind blows across Calgary*

Sixth also means the Flames are likely out of range for any of the top tier talents (MacKinnon, Jones, Drouin, Barkov) although it would only take one or two non-consensus picks by teams before them for one of those guys to drop within range. For now, though, it seems the team will have to content itself with some of the other admittedly strong talents in the projected top-10.

We'll have much more detail on this in the off-season. For now, speculate and discuss.

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#52 Mitch
April 28 2013, 10:17AM
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@Primo

The other teams you're talking about did not institute all these tactics you are saying the Flames should have done. Tampa and Carolina played incredibly competitive games and their starting lineup. Carolina was a few minutes away from beating the Rangers, Tampa played the hell out of their top line. Your arguments make no sense

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#53 BurningSensation
April 28 2013, 10:18AM
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suba steve wrote:

I know it's fun to speculate and imagine where the Flames will draft and who the Flames will select with any and all of their first rounders (god knows I spend to much time doing just that). However, if last year's first taught me anything, it is that the team will have a list and that list will be "unique"...and they are going to stick to that list.

I can easily imagine Feaster calling out the name Nichushkin, even if some of you and some other teams have turned up their noses due to the "Russian" factor. I'm not advocating the Russian (or any player), but this scouting department has surprised us in the recent past, and I can't yet claim that they have bungled any picks in that recent past. Most important to me now is that they get to know these kids, so that they have an idea where their futures lie. Pretty easy to cross a player off the list just because of where he plays/was born or to add one because of his dad's bloodlines, but that would be really dumb at this time with these picks.

Good luck to the Flames at Monday's lotto, and here's hoping that their final draft list is guided by the hand of GOD! He/She is a Flames fan after all.

I'm really coming around on Nichushkin too, with the latest reason being that he has apparently had more than a few stints at centre in the KHL.

A 6'4", 200lb, fast skating, high skill C/W who can shoot the lights out?

Yes please.

I get that Monahan has the right country of origin, but he just doesn't have the high ceiling that Nichushkin has been flashing.

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#54 DieHard
April 28 2013, 10:22AM
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Calgary has a shot at Nichushkin and should take it. He'll play 2 more years in KHL and play in the NHL after that. Oilers get Monahan.

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#55 schevvy
April 28 2013, 10:23AM
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In other news, Brodie will play for Canada at the World Championships coming up.

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#56 Baalzamon
April 28 2013, 10:34AM
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Primo wrote:

You gotta be kidding me....I was a Feaster supporter only until the last couple of weeks when I clearly observed he could not even control his own coach and team. How do you think Nashville Tampa Carolina are now able to draft a franchise player?

He called up Leland Irving and never played him?? He had the perfect excuse to play a 1st rounder and give him a final look. Instead I presume he was over powered by his own coach. Was it goaltending that won you those prescious 3 games down the stretch? You bet it was!

I won't even mention the numerous other tactics that could of been used because its now hearsay!

Funny how the teams picking ahead of us easily figured it out with a far more talented team in there lineup??

Um yeah... lineup is the Coach's decision, NOT the GM's. Feaster did everything in his power to get Irving into a game--meaning, he called him up. The fact he didn't play is ALL Hartley.

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#57 Baalzamon
April 28 2013, 10:37AM
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I'm still hoping for Lindholm at 6th, but I like Monahan and Nichushkin too.

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#58 fretsey
April 28 2013, 11:32AM
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Just to play Devils Advocate....Feaster should have suspended Kipper for refusing a trade,Hartley would have HAD to play Irving and MacBackup and we would now be in 30th place.

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#59 joey joe joe jr shabadoo
April 28 2013, 12:10PM
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What nonsense. Some of you are really naive or really, really young.

to think teams just 'roll over' is laughable. The NHL is the top league in the world and every single player, coach, manager, etc, etc, has had to make huge compromises and has had to work their entire life to get there. If you think for a second that those guys aren't out there competing for their livelihood and a chance to live their dream, I would have to say you haven't experienced much of the world.

Do you think a guy like Nate Thompson cares if the lighting pick 3rd or 6th overall? You don't think Paul Gaustad isn't out there playing for his next contract? If those guys don't care or aren't motivated, then their career would be over before they knew it. There are literally hundreds, thousands, of guys across the world who would take their jobs in a heartbeat if they had the chance. And they would fight as long and as hard as they could to keep it once they got there. Somehow 'tanking' games or playing to lose doesn't seem like a sound strategy if you want to earn your spot or play in the NHL for very long.

ridiculous.

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#60 clYDE
April 28 2013, 12:16PM
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Sincity1976 wrote:

Feaster traded Iginla, Bouwmeester, and tried to trade Kipper. He and Hartley played the worst team they possibly could without repercussions from the league. In a couple of cases their were so many kids in the line up that we wouldn't meet the veteran requirement for an exhibition game. WTF are people expecting him to do? Drug the team before games? I am not a big fan of Feaster, but Jeebsus people he did everything he could to lose.

Not only did he trade those guys but he managed to not get any NHL players back for now and probably the future and only 2 low first round picks. That should help ensure a couple more lottery years for sure.

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#61 Veggie Dog
April 28 2013, 12:23PM
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joey joe joe jr shabadoo wrote:

What nonsense. Some of you are really naive or really, really young.

to think teams just 'roll over' is laughable. The NHL is the top league in the world and every single player, coach, manager, etc, etc, has had to make huge compromises and has had to work their entire life to get there. If you think for a second that those guys aren't out there competing for their livelihood and a chance to live their dream, I would have to say you haven't experienced much of the world.

Do you think a guy like Nate Thompson cares if the lighting pick 3rd or 6th overall? You don't think Paul Gaustad isn't out there playing for his next contract? If those guys don't care or aren't motivated, then their career would be over before they knew it. There are literally hundreds, thousands, of guys across the world who would take their jobs in a heartbeat if they had the chance. And they would fight as long and as hard as they could to keep it once they got there. Somehow 'tanking' games or playing to lose doesn't seem like a sound strategy if you want to earn your spot or play in the NHL for very long.

ridiculous.

I think it is naive to ignore all the people that sign giant contracts and then phone it in for 5-10 years. Not everyone is competing at an optimal level all of the time. Perhaps people don't intentionally crap the bed, but they certainly start to phone it in.

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#62 FireOnIce
April 28 2013, 01:46PM
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Haha. My original comment was made under the influence of alcohol while watching the Flames draft pick get lower and lower. On top of that, my two fantasy teams (both in 1st all season), which were both in the championship round, lost on the last day of the NHL season by a point each. Bawwwww.

Anyways, I still stick by my original opinions. The thing here is that the Flames played sh*tty ALL SEASON. Only when there was nothing left to play for did they start to win. Don't tell me things like "the players play hard all the time" - you obviously never saw a game this season. Brodie may have played well. Backlund was great. But a couple players does not a team make.

There was a point where the Flames didn't have a win unless they scored 4+ goals. That means the other teams were scoring at least 3 goals a game. That's one sign of a bad defense and a bad goalie (we had both).

Sure, I don't want the Flames to just let opposing skaters skate in and score. I love hockey and want to watch a fun game. But it's not fun when your team decides that "the pressure's off, now we can just have fun and play hockey".

I remember the Flames of the 90s. They said that sh*t all the time. And that's why they never had a top 5 pick. And still dont'.

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#63 CDB
April 28 2013, 01:49PM
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FireOnIce wrote:

Nashville, Tampa Bay, and Carolina all rolled over today. THEY actually followed guidance to drop these games. The Flames thought an end-of-season winning streak was a good idea.

Once again, say it with me: "The pressure's off, we're just having fun and playing hockey."

This re-ignited my anger towards the Flames. Play with pride, sure, play with skill, sure, but to go from fighting for 1st overall to picking 6, PROBABLY 7TH, is inexcusable. They even fu*ked that up. Seriously, they could have had a Jones/Drouin/MacKinnon, SOMETHING THIS FRANCHISE NEEDS! They do not need a 2nd line C or a good two-way D-man. They need a superstar. Something this team probably will never have again.

Jay Feaster had better be out of a job come Monday.

Ya. Damn him for selecting and acquiring players that play hard even with no chances at playoffs!

(Heavy sarcasm)

They did everything possible to tank, it didn't work. To get mad about young players and secondary guys playing well, as well as finally getting average goaltending, is ridiculous. Blame feaster for a lot. A roster playing well and winning after he trades away the captain and top D mn is not his fault

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#64 CDB
April 28 2013, 01:55PM
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Primo wrote:

Exactly my thoughts!!!!

The 3 teams you mention that actually rolled over have far better young talent in there systems yet they will now be picking a potential franchise pick ahead of the Flames.

Feaster mismanaged this worse than the O'Rielly offer sheet. He was a mere 3 losses away from picking McKinnon or Drouin.

The problem is guys like Feaster and Hartley have not been here long enough to experience the pain. They are here for today and want to impress with as many wins as possible.

I would not wait till Monday..get rid of the bad ass before the weekend is up!

This is actually sad to read. How is this mismanagement?! Was feaster supposed to call up the Las Vegas Wranglers to make sure they lose? Look at the rosters the flames iced and teams they beat. Nothin more could be done. It's unfortunate they're not picking higher, decreases chances of landing a star, but a 6th overall pick in a stacked draft isn't the nd of the world (not to mention two others).

Want to breed a culture of losing? Cheer for the team 3 hours north

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#65 FireOnIce
April 28 2013, 02:03PM
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@joey joe joe jr shabadoo

It's a little insulting to think that you know more than the rest of us because we're "naive or young". I'm 27, and have been following this team since I was a child. World experience? Don't even get me started. That's a very presumptuous and arrogant statement. I'm not naive, I've just watched this team, through good and bad, and have become absolutely frustrated with the entire state of things.

Sure, maybe some of the frustration is taken out on the wrong people. But who is to blame? They've gone through countless coaches, they burned out Jarome Iginla (who has been fantastic since he left) and Miikka Kiprusoff, so what now? What's the problem?

And don't tell me that teams don't throw games. Lots of teams have been suspected of doing it for specific playoff matchups. I'm pretty sure there was a hubbub about Detroit doing it a few years ago so they had a more favourable opponent in the first round.

There was no need to play Macdonald in any of those finals games, especially when he was playing well. Give Irving that final look. Give Taylor a look. That's why GlenX and the others who were 'injured' didn't play those games. They didn't matter.

I simply believe that this team has run out of excuses. "Iginla was a cancer". "Sutter was an arsehole". "Butter lost the room". "Give Feaster season". These are all the types of things that have been said for 10+ years. Time for something completely new.

/rant

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#66 FireOnIce
April 28 2013, 02:10PM
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FireOnIce wrote:

Nashville, Tampa Bay, and Carolina all rolled over today. THEY actually followed guidance to drop these games. The Flames thought an end-of-season winning streak was a good idea.

Once again, say it with me: "The pressure's off, we're just having fun and playing hockey."

This re-ignited my anger towards the Flames. Play with pride, sure, play with skill, sure, but to go from fighting for 1st overall to picking 6, PROBABLY 7TH, is inexcusable. They even fu*ked that up. Seriously, they could have had a Jones/Drouin/MacKinnon, SOMETHING THIS FRANCHISE NEEDS! They do not need a 2nd line C or a good two-way D-man. They need a superstar. Something this team probably will never have again.

Jay Feaster had better be out of a job come Monday.

For those of you who keep quoting me, the last part about Jay Feaster was a separate thought. The first part is just general frustration. The second part was based on the fact that I am not a Jay Feaster apologist and have never thought very much of him.

"Probably 7th" - If you haven't been following along, the Flames don't exactly have great luck. With anything.

You all miss out on the main point here. The Flames were exciting, sure, but they didn't exactly inspire confidence. Never had a winning 'streak' longer than 2 games (until they were out of the playoffs). Had to score 4+ goals to even win a game most nights. That's on the players. It's not that I wanted them to roll over and just score on themselves, it's that they should've tried to play for wins earlier in the season when it meant something.

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#67 chillout
April 28 2013, 02:27PM
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@FireOnIce

I think they were playing for wins early in the season. The problem was a room full of older vets who forgot how to win and have fun. Notice how most of the winning started happening when the young guys came up and injected a ton of energy into the lineup. They made it fun again for all the older guys. You'd be amazed at what having some fresh blood around can do for a team's morale.

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#68 T&A4Flames
April 28 2013, 05:00PM
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I agree with you on that mostly. But there was one thing he didn't do. I was sure they were going to play Irving.

Coaches choice

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#69 Primo
April 28 2013, 07:15PM
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Baalzamon wrote:

Um yeah... lineup is the Coach's decision, NOT the GM's. Feaster did everything in his power to get Irving into a game--meaning, he called him up. The fact he didn't play is ALL Hartley.

Um yeah...Feaster has control over hockey operations. When your 2-3 losses away from a franchise player you better speak up and take control.

Maybe you can have a coffee with Feaster over the summer and marvel at your win column. 19 wins...hmmm. Big difference over 17 wins. I see where your coming from...thanks for the insights!

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#71 EugeneV
April 28 2013, 09:07PM
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Watched 2 hockey games yesterday, hoping the Lightning and Predators would win to get the Flames up into the 3rd pick in the draft. But NO, both of them give up leads in the 3rd Period and lose. THEN Carolina, having to lose by 5 or more against the Penguins give up 5 unanswered in the 3rd to lose 8-3 and knock the Flames one spot higher up the draft order. To TOP IT OFF Jarome Bloody Iginla assisted on the last Penguins goal with 49 seconds left. Thanks Jarome. NOT. And a BIG shout out to Steve Begin for his 2 fluky goals against Detroit last week as well. I blame Begin for this happening.

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#72 EugeneV
April 28 2013, 10:12PM
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I also beg to differ on what the definition of a "Franchise Player" is. A Franchise Player to me is: Current Players: Ovechkin (2004), Malkin (2004), Crosby (2005), Toews (2006)

Retired Players (drafted 1984 or later) 1984 Lemieux, Roy, Hull, 1987 Sakic 1988 Modano 1989 Sundin, Lidstrom, Bure 1990 Jagr, Brodeur (still playing) 1991 Lindros, Forsberg

So to me it would be VERY foolish to say that there are 4 or 5 "Franchise Players" in this draft. (new age bs term)

I honestly think that not 1 "Franchise Player" was produced from 1992 - 2003. Some Really good or possibly even great players from that era (Jarome Iginla), but not Franchise Players.

Franchise Players should not be defined as: Very good, Really good, or even Great. They should be more than that.

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#73 If Only HIs Name Was Olli Postandin
April 28 2013, 10:49PM
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EugeneV wrote:

I also beg to differ on what the definition of a "Franchise Player" is. A Franchise Player to me is: Current Players: Ovechkin (2004), Malkin (2004), Crosby (2005), Toews (2006)

Retired Players (drafted 1984 or later) 1984 Lemieux, Roy, Hull, 1987 Sakic 1988 Modano 1989 Sundin, Lidstrom, Bure 1990 Jagr, Brodeur (still playing) 1991 Lindros, Forsberg

So to me it would be VERY foolish to say that there are 4 or 5 "Franchise Players" in this draft. (new age bs term)

I honestly think that not 1 "Franchise Player" was produced from 1992 - 2003. Some Really good or possibly even great players from that era (Jarome Iginla), but not Franchise Players.

Franchise Players should not be defined as: Very good, Really good, or even Great. They should be more than that.

I agree with most of what you said, especially as it pertains to the way that the term `franchise player`is thrown around. To me a franchise player is one who dominates at his position vis-a-vis his peers over the course of his career.

However, if you are gonna include Sundin (!), Bure (!) and Modano as franchise players, then you gotta include Iginla. Hell, if we are setting such lofty standards for a franchise player, why Bure- a purely one dimensional player- is on that list is beyond me. The list can also most definitely be expanded to include the likes of Pronger, Yzerman, and Scott Neidermeyer.

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#74 EugeneV
April 28 2013, 10:59PM
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If Only HIs Name Was Olli Postandin wrote:

I agree with most of what you said, especially as it pertains to the way that the term `franchise player`is thrown around. To me a franchise player is one who dominates at his position vis-a-vis his peers over the course of his career.

However, if you are gonna include Sundin (!), Bure (!) and Modano as franchise players, then you gotta include Iginla. Hell, if we are setting such lofty standards for a franchise player, why Bure- a purely one dimensional player- is on that list is beyond me. The list can also most definitely be expanded to include the likes of Pronger, Yzerman, and Scott Neidermeyer.

I personally never liked Sundin, and could live with taking he and Modano off the list, but Bure was SCARY. At least Modano won a cup. Yzerman was drafted before '84. Pronger and Niedermeyer? No way.

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#75 Baalzamon
April 28 2013, 11:50PM
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@EugeneV

I like Toews, but he's not in the same stratosphere as Crosby et al. and you forgot Stamkos, btw.

You include Toews, Sundin, and Modano but not Iginla, Alfredsson, or Thornton. Yeah. Okay.

It seems your definition of "Franchise player" is as subjective (and arbitrary) as anyone else's.

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#76 Justin Azevedo
April 28 2013, 11:59PM
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Baalzamon wrote:

I like Toews, but he's not in the same stratosphere as Crosby et al. and you forgot Stamkos, btw.

You include Toews, Sundin, and Modano but not Iginla, Alfredsson, or Thornton. Yeah. Okay.

It seems your definition of "Franchise player" is as subjective (and arbitrary) as anyone else's.

I like you

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#77 EugeneV
April 29 2013, 01:02AM
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@Baalzamon

Of course it is subjective.

That's the point.

Definitely not Alfredsson or Iginla. Great players, HOF'ers definitely, but not players you REALLY go to watch. I mean Really watch. When Orr or Lemieux were on the ice, they were the only players people looked at. The other 11 were invisible. Iggy? not so much. no offense. good player though.

Sentimentality gets you nowhere.

Thornton? Really? HaHaHa

The point is that historically there is only 1 player in a draft; and not every draft, where you find that "Franchise Player"

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#78 If Only HIs Name Was Olli Postandin
April 29 2013, 01:43AM
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EugeneV wrote:

Of course it is subjective.

That's the point.

Definitely not Alfredsson or Iginla. Great players, HOF'ers definitely, but not players you REALLY go to watch. I mean Really watch. When Orr or Lemieux were on the ice, they were the only players people looked at. The other 11 were invisible. Iggy? not so much. no offense. good player though.

Sentimentality gets you nowhere.

Thornton? Really? HaHaHa

The point is that historically there is only 1 player in a draft; and not every draft, where you find that "Franchise Player"

What the hell are you talking about? Iggy has no offense? Man, I agree with you that only certain players can be considered generational talents, but you`re pretty nuts in regards to everything else.

And there`s no cosmic rule stating that there can only be one `franchise player`per draft! lol

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#79 Justin Azevedo
April 29 2013, 02:37AM
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@EugeneV

dude thornton has played the best comp in the chell his entire career and has scored more than 1100 points doing so. you're insane if you don't think he's a franchise player.

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