Flames Finish 25th...

Kent Wilson
April 27 2013 08:47PM

 

 

...And are in line to draft 6th overall in the draft, absent an lottery enduced changes. Calgary has an 6.2% chance to win the lottery and pick first overall. It's also possible someone back in the order wins the thing, which would bump the Flames to 7th.

The Flames franchise has never picked in the top-5 in the NHL draft and there's a 94% chance that won't happen this June, despite the club's best efforts to finish as low as possible. The only other time the organization has picked as high as 6th, they chose Rico Fata and Daniel Tkaczuk.

*a chill wind blows across Calgary*

Sixth also means the Flames are likely out of range for any of the top tier talents (MacKinnon, Jones, Drouin, Barkov) although it would only take one or two non-consensus picks by teams before them for one of those guys to drop within range. For now, though, it seems the team will have to content itself with some of the other admittedly strong talents in the projected top-10.

We'll have much more detail on this in the off-season. For now, speculate and discuss.

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#1 FireOnIce
April 27 2013, 10:03PM
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Nashville, Tampa Bay, and Carolina all rolled over today. THEY actually followed guidance to drop these games. The Flames thought an end-of-season winning streak was a good idea.

Once again, say it with me: "The pressure's off, we're just having fun and playing hockey."

This re-ignited my anger towards the Flames. Play with pride, sure, play with skill, sure, but to go from fighting for 1st overall to picking 6, PROBABLY 7TH, is inexcusable. They even fu*ked that up. Seriously, they could have had a Jones/Drouin/MacKinnon, SOMETHING THIS FRANCHISE NEEDS! They do not need a 2nd line C or a good two-way D-man. They need a superstar. Something this team probably will never have again.

Jay Feaster had better be out of a job come Monday.

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#2 joey joe joe jr shabadoo
April 28 2013, 12:10PM
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What nonsense. Some of you are really naive or really, really young.

to think teams just 'roll over' is laughable. The NHL is the top league in the world and every single player, coach, manager, etc, etc, has had to make huge compromises and has had to work their entire life to get there. If you think for a second that those guys aren't out there competing for their livelihood and a chance to live their dream, I would have to say you haven't experienced much of the world.

Do you think a guy like Nate Thompson cares if the lighting pick 3rd or 6th overall? You don't think Paul Gaustad isn't out there playing for his next contract? If those guys don't care or aren't motivated, then their career would be over before they knew it. There are literally hundreds, thousands, of guys across the world who would take their jobs in a heartbeat if they had the chance. And they would fight as long and as hard as they could to keep it once they got there. Somehow 'tanking' games or playing to lose doesn't seem like a sound strategy if you want to earn your spot or play in the NHL for very long.

ridiculous.

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#3 Austin
April 27 2013, 08:56PM
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Actually I think they have a 6.2% chance. The best talents outside of the conscensus top 4 are likely Nichuskin (high risk/high reward) , Lindholm, Monahan, and Nurse. I think you see Feaster trade up into the #3 or #4 slot, and I honestly hope he does. Sure we'll probably get someone solid at 6, but really we need a standout bonafide star, otherwise we're going no where. Pray for the lottery boys.

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#4 Mitch
April 27 2013, 08:59PM
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There's no doubt in my mind this Franchise desperately needed one of the players available in the top 4. That being said, I can't really fault the organization. They played all the youngsters they could, and unfortunately the kids played hard enough to win the team a few games. In a way it evens out all the games the Flames probably deserved to win early on in the season. At the end of the day, at least the effort was there during the last stretch of the season. I'm willing to endure the growing pains and rough stretches ahead, as long as that's the constant.

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#5 schevvy
April 27 2013, 10:22PM
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@FireOnIce

So you're saying the players should've played to lose? No way. You cannot tell a professional athlete to purposely play to lose. Management did all they could, really. They played pretty much an AHL team some nights.

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#6 schevvy
April 27 2013, 10:44PM
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God, why does Yakupov has to be an Oiler? He's a hard player not to like. Always has a smile on his face. Need more guys like that in the NHL. Yes, I am now going to puke after saying such nice things about an Oiler.

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#7 schevvy
April 27 2013, 11:09PM
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For anyone interested in this thing called the playoffs, here are the West match ups.

CHI/MIN , ANA/DET , VAN/SJ , STL/LA

Teams I'm cheering for: SJ and LA. And yes in the East I'm cheering for Pittsburgh. Don't hate me.

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#8 weevil17
April 27 2013, 11:27PM
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schevvy wrote:

God, why does Yakupov has to be an Oiler? He's a hard player not to like. Always has a smile on his face. Need more guys like that in the NHL. Yes, I am now going to puke after saying such nice things about an Oiler.

"hard player not to like"!?!? he is probably my least favourite player in the league. He is extremely cocky and doesn't play with any class

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#9 clYDE
April 27 2013, 11:54PM
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Fresh Mess wrote:

ESPN is reporting that Dallas has fired Joe Neuwy. Jim Nill is apparently going to be named the new GM.

Would Edwards bring Joe back into the Flames organization?

Why? We don't need another poor gm.

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#10 Primo
April 28 2013, 08:25AM
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FireOnIce wrote:

Nashville, Tampa Bay, and Carolina all rolled over today. THEY actually followed guidance to drop these games. The Flames thought an end-of-season winning streak was a good idea.

Once again, say it with me: "The pressure's off, we're just having fun and playing hockey."

This re-ignited my anger towards the Flames. Play with pride, sure, play with skill, sure, but to go from fighting for 1st overall to picking 6, PROBABLY 7TH, is inexcusable. They even fu*ked that up. Seriously, they could have had a Jones/Drouin/MacKinnon, SOMETHING THIS FRANCHISE NEEDS! They do not need a 2nd line C or a good two-way D-man. They need a superstar. Something this team probably will never have again.

Jay Feaster had better be out of a job come Monday.

Exactly my thoughts!!!!

The 3 teams you mention that actually rolled over have far better young talent in there systems yet they will now be picking a potential franchise pick ahead of the Flames.

Feaster mismanaged this worse than the O'Rielly offer sheet. He was a mere 3 losses away from picking McKinnon or Drouin.

The problem is guys like Feaster and Hartley have not been here long enough to experience the pain. They are here for today and want to impress with as many wins as possible.

I would not wait till Monday..get rid of the bad ass before the weekend is up!

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#11 Sincity1976
April 28 2013, 08:44AM
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@Primo

Feaster traded Iginla, Bouwmeester, and tried to trade Kipper. He and Hartley played the worst team they possibly could without repercussions from the league. In a couple of cases their were so many kids in the line up that we wouldn't meet the veteran requirement for an exhibition game. WTF are people expecting him to do? Drug the team before games? I am not a big fan of Feaster, but Jeebsus people he did everything he could to lose.

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#12 Mitch
April 28 2013, 10:17AM
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@Primo

The other teams you're talking about did not institute all these tactics you are saying the Flames should have done. Tampa and Carolina played incredibly competitive games and their starting lineup. Carolina was a few minutes away from beating the Rangers, Tampa played the hell out of their top line. Your arguments make no sense

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#13 Baalzamon
April 28 2013, 11:50PM
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@EugeneV

I like Toews, but he's not in the same stratosphere as Crosby et al. and you forgot Stamkos, btw.

You include Toews, Sundin, and Modano but not Iginla, Alfredsson, or Thornton. Yeah. Okay.

It seems your definition of "Franchise player" is as subjective (and arbitrary) as anyone else's.

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#14 Colin.S
April 27 2013, 08:49PM
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Really Carolina, REALLY>!??! You had a tie game going into the third and you screw it up that bad, if they had just not let in 5 goals in the third we'd be in the top 5.

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#15 SeanCharles
April 27 2013, 08:53PM
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I wonder if TB would trade their pick?

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#16 suba steve
April 27 2013, 08:57PM
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"The only other time the organization has picked as high as 6th, they chose Rico Fata and Daniel Tkaczuk."

Flames also grabbed Cory Stillman with a 6th overall pick (1992). He was better then TkaRiko, but I hope they get a better player this year. Hell, I hope they get a better player than Stillman with their StL pick this year.

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#17 suba steve
April 27 2013, 09:00PM
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I just took a look at that '92 first round, what a bunch of turd taken that year!

Flames actually did quite well getting Stillman.

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#18 Robear
April 27 2013, 09:18PM
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@Austin

I doubt that Feaster will trade up. Too much cost to get into that rarified atmosphere. Feasty has been pretty clear about stockpiling picks. Given that we have 3 1st Rounders, I expect Feaster to take 3 kicks at getting a pic that pans out. Nothing says that your organization can be turned around quickly with a top pick else Loser-ville up to the North would already be winning the conference. I expect to see them take a Lindholm if he's around. Get the big Center.

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#19 schevvy
April 27 2013, 09:19PM
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YOOOOOUUUNNNNNG GUUUUUUNNNNS!!!!!!!!

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#20 Dank
April 27 2013, 09:53PM
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HOW DO YOU LET IN 5 GOALS IN THE THIRD PERIOD??

Like honestly, that's a joke.

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#21 RexLibris
April 27 2013, 09:55PM
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I've mentioned this over at the Post-Game thread, but it seems appropriate to repeat here: looking at the names likely to be available after #5 we have Nichushkin, Nurse, Monahan, Lindholm, Domi and Shinkaruk (among others).

If we were to assume that Monahan is gone at #6, and based on the previous few drafts wherein the Flames have either reached for a prospect or taken one based on skill irrespective of size, can we discount the possibility of them selecting a player like Shinkaruk or Domi?

As I've said in the other thread, I think it would be in error, but I'm not sure it can be entirely ignored as a possibility.

Anyway, 6th it is. I wonder if the Flames should invite Stillman, Fata and Tkaczuk to the podium for the selection?

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#22 Veggie Dog
April 27 2013, 10:08PM
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Can we all agree not to mention Fata or Tkaczuk ever again?

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#24 Franko J
April 27 2013, 10:20PM
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At the start of the season I had the Flames finishing in the 8-11 range. After the trade deadline when the Flames were in the top 5 range I had hopes of Mackinnon / Barkov pick.

However the Flames have a decent chance at still drafting a quality prospect. Whether it is Monahan, Lindholm, or Nurse each prospect should have an impact in the lineup. The man objective the Flames should be pursuing in the off season is drafting players with size, skill, and grit. Unfortunately the available free agent crop is pretty thin and there only a few I would sign.

Some here have a strong indication that the Flames should use or will use their other draft picks to trade down, I beg to differ and hope the Flames will keep their other first round selections. Without any 2nd round picks the team should be selecting players who will or can compliment the current roster. Besides with the current draft the Flames have the opportunity to obtain some players who I feel can bolster the lineup in the future.

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#25 Derzie
April 27 2013, 10:26PM
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Rico Monahan, Daniel Lindholm and Cory Nurse. Let the good times roll.

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#27 schevvy
April 27 2013, 10:31PM
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@Kent Wilson

6th overall? No way, Flames are winning the lottery. Karma is on our side...right?

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#28 Veggie Dog
April 27 2013, 10:33PM
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schevvy wrote:

So you're saying the players should've played to lose? No way. You cannot tell a professional athlete to purposely play to lose. Management did all they could, really. They played pretty much an AHL team some nights.

Tell that to Nashville, Carolina, Tampa Bay etc. Especially Tampa, any team with two of the leading scorers in the league finishing so low is a disgrace.

On the bright side teams like Colorado and Edmonton have had tons of high picks and are still dreadful. So its not like picking higher than 6th is a shoe-in.

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#29 Mitch
April 27 2013, 10:41PM
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@FireOnIce

Yes. The Flames thought an end of the season winning streak was a good idea, because the Flames are able decide that they want to win a game.

No team followed any guidance. The Predators were an inch away from tying the game up 2-2 with a minute left.

And it's not PROBABLY 7th.

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#30 RKD
April 27 2013, 10:54PM
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If we win the lottery, then the hockey gods are really smiling down on the Flames. If we don't I don't think anyone would have picked we would be picking as high as 6th. Considering the last three years the Flames were finishing in 9th or 10th place usually meant they were out of the top 10 right off the bat. These days a lot of the younger players in top 10 are more ready and prepared to step into the NHL. Some make instant impact, others take a couple seasons to progress. If the Flames are smart, don't expect these guys to turn your franchise around. You need to build a strong supporting cast around them. I do think we have drafted a lot better than in the past. Relying on first round picks turned out to be more of a curse than a blessing for our northern neighbors.

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#31 Kevin R
April 27 2013, 10:58PM
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FireOnIce wrote:

Nashville, Tampa Bay, and Carolina all rolled over today. THEY actually followed guidance to drop these games. The Flames thought an end-of-season winning streak was a good idea.

Once again, say it with me: "The pressure's off, we're just having fun and playing hockey."

This re-ignited my anger towards the Flames. Play with pride, sure, play with skill, sure, but to go from fighting for 1st overall to picking 6, PROBABLY 7TH, is inexcusable. They even fu*ked that up. Seriously, they could have had a Jones/Drouin/MacKinnon, SOMETHING THIS FRANCHISE NEEDS! They do not need a 2nd line C or a good two-way D-man. They need a superstar. Something this team probably will never have again.

Jay Feaster had better be out of a job come Monday.

I realize what Feaster does in the next 90 days is huge but I think you are a little hard by judging him on winning games here. Its not Feaster playing on the ice or coaching the team. What do you think, should they have pulled the goalie at the start of the game the 3 weeks here?

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#32 Monaertchi Gaudnett
April 27 2013, 11:04PM
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I think it is 76.8% chance of 6th place pick, 17% chance for 7th, and as Kent said 6.2% for 1st.

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#33 Franko J
April 27 2013, 11:07PM
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The hope I have if the Flames stay in the # 6 slot is that Button, Feaster, and Wiesbrod have done their due diligence and preparation. Whoever the Flames select should be a player who can handle the pressure of playing in a hungry hockey market.

The Flames should be drafting players who have:

the mental fortitude to withstand adversity

have a high hockey IQ.

Size and speed.

Leadership and character are good buzz words, however I want to see the Flames continue to draft players who are going to have pride in the jersey.

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#34 Baalzamon
April 27 2013, 11:29PM
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@schevvy

I'll be absolutely astonished if Minnesota even comes close to winning a single game. Anaheim might lose in round one, too.

STL/LA should be a fantastic series.

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#35 Franko J
April 27 2013, 11:34PM
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RKD wrote:

If we win the lottery, then the hockey gods are really smiling down on the Flames. If we don't I don't think anyone would have picked we would be picking as high as 6th. Considering the last three years the Flames were finishing in 9th or 10th place usually meant they were out of the top 10 right off the bat. These days a lot of the younger players in top 10 are more ready and prepared to step into the NHL. Some make instant impact, others take a couple seasons to progress. If the Flames are smart, don't expect these guys to turn your franchise around. You need to build a strong supporting cast around them. I do think we have drafted a lot better than in the past. Relying on first round picks turned out to be more of a curse than a blessing for our northern neighbors.

I like your comment on not placing so much pressure on one player to turn this franchise around. I for one feels it has to be a collective effort as well.

I look at the Blackhawks and Penguins as strong examples of teams who do have some game changers in their lineup, but most importantly they have really strong support players who compliment their superstars.

I feel the difference between success and failure with draft pick is the lack of patience and understanding of personal player development.

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#36 Franko J
April 27 2013, 11:40PM
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Subnote:

the U-18 game in few hours should provide us with some great insight into who the Flames could be looking to draft. On both teams there are a number of players I want to see how well they will perform in the big game.

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#37 Fresh Mess
April 27 2013, 11:52PM
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ESPN is reporting that Dallas has fired Joe Neuwy. Jim Nill is apparently going to be named the new GM.

Would Edwards bring Joe back into the Flames organization?

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#38 chillout
April 28 2013, 12:35AM
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I'm hoping we win the lotto and draft Seth Jones. Then trade our 2 other picks to edmonton or nashville and then grab monahan or lindholm or if we're really lucky barkov

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#39 If Only HIs Name Was Olli Postandin
April 28 2013, 12:37AM
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I`m personally hoping we keep all three first round picks and select the following:

6. Sean Monohan: Big, skilled center prospect that is both creative, good at the two-way game, and physical.

20-23. Adam Erne: Big, physical winger with good skating and release.

25-30. Shea Theodore: Big, skilled, and very quick defenceman who has offense to spare. Can quarterback a powerplay, but needs to get stronger and better in his own end as he can be a liability at times there. Reminds me of Brodie.

We could also take Samuel Morin at this spot; the guy is 6`6 already as a 17 year old! Has good speed and is responsible in his own end. Is said to be good one-on-one and is turning into a very physical d-man who plays with an edge. He doesn`t have much offensive upside, although his outlet pass is said to be good and his stick handling is improving.

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#40 If Only HIs Name Was Olli Postandin
April 28 2013, 12:41AM
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As you can see, big and skilled is a guiding principle for me this year in terms of players I want to see drafted, as I think we need to surround the Baertchi and Gauderaus of our team with bigger, grittier players who can hopefully produce at an above-average level for our squad.

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#41 SmellOfVictory
April 28 2013, 01:54AM
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RexLibris wrote:

I've mentioned this over at the Post-Game thread, but it seems appropriate to repeat here: looking at the names likely to be available after #5 we have Nichushkin, Nurse, Monahan, Lindholm, Domi and Shinkaruk (among others).

If we were to assume that Monahan is gone at #6, and based on the previous few drafts wherein the Flames have either reached for a prospect or taken one based on skill irrespective of size, can we discount the possibility of them selecting a player like Shinkaruk or Domi?

As I've said in the other thread, I think it would be in error, but I'm not sure it can be entirely ignored as a possibility.

Anyway, 6th it is. I wonder if the Flames should invite Stillman, Fata and Tkaczuk to the podium for the selection?

I think it's between Lindholm and Monahan where the Flames are drafting, and allegedly management really likes Lindholm.

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#42 EugeneV
April 28 2013, 06:08AM
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@Dank

And IGGY set up the bloody goal to boot!!!!!

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#43 EugeneV
April 28 2013, 06:17AM
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At least Monahan sounds like a hockey name.

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#44 RexLibris
April 28 2013, 07:41AM
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schevvy wrote:

God, why does Yakupov has to be an Oiler? He's a hard player not to like. Always has a smile on his face. Need more guys like that in the NHL. Yes, I am now going to puke after saying such nice things about an Oiler.

Interesting opinion.

Some hockey fans are going to like him because of effort and his politically incorrect "I Don't Care If You Lost, We're Better" attitude. That being said, I don't think Flames fans will like him very much. He, like Hall, plays at one gear and he is more of an agitator than Hall. I suspect as he develops there will be no lack of "two minutes hate" for this player.

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#45 suba steve
April 28 2013, 07:50AM
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I know it's fun to speculate and imagine where the Flames will draft and who the Flames will select with any and all of their first rounders (god knows I spend to much time doing just that). However, if last year's first taught me anything, it is that the team will have a list and that list will be "unique"...and they are going to stick to that list.

I can easily imagine Feaster calling out the name Nichushkin, even if some of you and some other teams have turned up their noses due to the "Russian" factor. I'm not advocating the Russian (or any player), but this scouting department has surprised us in the recent past, and I can't yet claim that they have bungled any picks in that recent past. Most important to me now is that they get to know these kids, so that they have an idea where their futures lie. Pretty easy to cross a player off the list just because of where he plays/was born or to add one because of his dad's bloodlines, but that would be really dumb at this time with these picks.

Good luck to the Flames at Monday's lotto, and here's hoping that their final draft list is guided by the hand of GOD! He/She is a Flames fan after all.

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#46 gotommygo
April 28 2013, 08:16AM
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@suba steve

' However, if last year's first taught me anything, it is that the team will have a list and that list will be "unique"...and they are going to stick to that list.'

That's my thoughts exactly. Nichushkin wouldn't surprise me as our first pick, or as RexLibris has suggested, someone a little further down the line like Shinkaruk or Domi.

I'm ready to expect the unexpected. It would be unexpected for us to win the lottery.

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#47 gotommygo
April 28 2013, 09:05AM
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I agree with you on that mostly. But there was one thing he didn't do. I was sure they were going to play Irving.

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#48 Primo
April 28 2013, 09:09AM
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Sincity1976 wrote:

Feaster traded Iginla, Bouwmeester, and tried to trade Kipper. He and Hartley played the worst team they possibly could without repercussions from the league. In a couple of cases their were so many kids in the line up that we wouldn't meet the veteran requirement for an exhibition game. WTF are people expecting him to do? Drug the team before games? I am not a big fan of Feaster, but Jeebsus people he did everything he could to lose.

You gotta be kidding me....I was a Feaster supporter only until the last couple of weeks when I clearly observed he could not even control his own coach and team. How do you think Nashville Tampa Carolina are now able to draft a franchise player?

He called up Leland Irving and never played him?? He had the perfect excuse to play a 1st rounder and give him a final look. Instead I presume he was over powered by his own coach. Was it goaltending that won you those prescious 3 games down the stretch? You bet it was!

I won't even mention the numerous other tactics that could of been used because its now hearsay!

Funny how the teams picking ahead of us easily figured it out with a far more talented team in there lineup??

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#49 gotommygo
April 28 2013, 09:16AM
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By the way, on a completely different note, thank you for giving us the link to your Flames and prospects online spreadsheet and also for updating it so regularly. I think that was you, correct? I consulted it frequently over the season.

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#50 Franko J
April 28 2013, 09:17AM
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If Only HIs Name Was Olli Postandin wrote:

I`m personally hoping we keep all three first round picks and select the following:

6. Sean Monohan: Big, skilled center prospect that is both creative, good at the two-way game, and physical.

20-23. Adam Erne: Big, physical winger with good skating and release.

25-30. Shea Theodore: Big, skilled, and very quick defenceman who has offense to spare. Can quarterback a powerplay, but needs to get stronger and better in his own end as he can be a liability at times there. Reminds me of Brodie.

We could also take Samuel Morin at this spot; the guy is 6`6 already as a 17 year old! Has good speed and is responsible in his own end. Is said to be good one-on-one and is turning into a very physical d-man who plays with an edge. He doesn`t have much offensive upside, although his outlet pass is said to be good and his stick handling is improving.

I like your # 6 pick selection.

I have had Monahan on my draft list since the season started. Another attribute which was brought up about Monahan is his leadership qualities and good hockey IQ. A comparable player would be Couturier in Philly.

20 - 23 range

Justin Bailey.

I just think Erne might be picked by the 20 selection. Good size with excellent offensive upside. Good wheels to boot. Comparable would be Wheeler in Winnipeg.

25 - 30 Range

Ian McCoshen.

With Wiesbrod and Feaster's penchant for College players I feel he is a possibility and player I think Calgary has probably scouted.

I like Theodore, but I think Garret Smith might be a better pro down the road.

Like yourself just by looking at strictly the numbers there are some pretty big prospects in this draft. Also a number of players who are competitive with grit. IMO the best player in the 15 to 50 range would be Petan with Portland. Reminds me of Pavelski in SJ. If Petan was 6' and 180 lbs he would be definitely top 15. What he possess you can't teach.

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