Post-Game: Goodbye, Farewell and Amen

Ryan Pike
April 27 2013 12:50AM

 

Chicago Blackhawks / NHL

pic via Nicole Yeary

The Calgary Flames headed east to sweet home Chicago for their final date of the truncated 2013 season. Given that it was a contest between a non-playoff squad and the NHL's newly-crowned Presidents' Trophy winners, there were certain expectations for how the game would go.

Would those expectations be met? In terms of the result, yes, but in terms of the effort? Not entirely.

THE RUNDOWN

The Flames stumbled out of the gate, generally getting out-chanced and out-played by the Blackhawks. Chicago out-shot the Flames 13-5 in the first and had two goals. The first came off a weird in-zone bounce, where Joey MacDonald made the first save and then the defensive zone coverage appeared to disappear. Patrick Kane snapped the puck home on a nifty feed from Patrick Sharp to put the Flames behind the eight-ball 1-0. Jonathan Toews took advantage of a beautiful rebound (and no defensive coverage) four minutes later to put the Flames down by two.

What would the team do?

Oddly, they fought back. Down two goals after 20 minutes, on the road, in a barn where they usually aren't very good, the Flames out-shot the Blackhawks 13-12 in the second and crept back within one goal via Chris Butler's first (and only) goal of the season. Lee Stempniak and Ben Street earned assists on a goal created on the forecheck.

The Hawks woke up and out-played the Flames in the third – let's face it, as they should – and Marcus Kruger snapped the insurance marker home to seal the deal mid-way through the third period.

RED WARRIOR

Let's give it to Ben Street, who had 2 shots, 3 hits and his first NHL point via his assist on Calgary's lone (short-handed) marker. Plus, look at that head.

Honourable mention to Lee Stempniak, who also had an assist and ended the year tied with Mike Cammalleri for the team lead in points. (Cammalleri played fewer games and had more goals, so he wins on both tie-breakers, but Stempniak had a great year.)

SCORING CHANCES

(via Justin Azevedo)

 

Scoring Chance Summary

Team Period Time Note Home Away State
Home 1 19:41 Toews 19 81 20 7 8 50 18 46 29 5 6 35 5v5
Away 1 17:39 Horak 65 25 29 2 17 50 10 11 51 5 6 35 5v5
Away 1 17:24 Cervenka 65 25 29 2 17 50 10 11 51 5 6 35 5v5
Home 1 10:26 Kane (Goal) 65 25 29 7 8 50 18 46 16 26 44 35 5v5
Home 1 9:58 Stalberg 65 25 29 7 8 50 19 22 58 5 6 35 5v5
Away 1 7:09 Stempniak 19 81 20 27 32 50 18 46 22 26 44 35 5v5
Home 1 6:58 Toews (Goal) 26 10 88 7 8 50 19 22 58 7 42 35 5v5
Home 1 6:30 Kane 26 10 88 7 8 50 19 22 58 7 42 35 5v5
Home 1 4:14 Saad 19 81 20 27 32 50 18 22 58 42 44 35 5v5
Away 2 19:12 Street 26 10 88 7 8 50 11 29 51 7 42 35 5v5
Home 2 17:17 Stalberg 65 25 29 27 32 50 19 22 58 26 44 35 5v5
Home 2 17:11 Stalberg 65 25 29 27 32 50 19 22 58 26 44 35 5v5
Away 2 16:36 Brodie 16 67 52 8 32 50 38 29 13 7 42 35 5v5
Home 2 11:35 Stalberg 26 10 25 27 32 50 18 46 29 7 42 35 5v5
Away 2 10:29 Hanowski 65 88 29 7 8 50 19 29 58 7 42 35 5v5
Home 2 10:05 Shaw 19 10 88 25 2 50 11 13 5 6 35   5v4
Away 2 8:10 Cammalleri 65 67 81 27 32 50 11 13 5 7 35   5v4
Away 2 7:23 Jones 16 67 52 27 32 50 19 38 13 26 44 35 5v5
Away 2 3:52 Cundari 19 81 20 7 8 50 38 46 22 26 44 35 5v5
Away 2 1:51 Aliu 16 67 52 7 8 50 19 22 29 26 44 35 5v5
Home 2 1:19 Bollig 19 67 52 7 8 50 19 22 29 26 44 35 5v5
Away 3 19:17 Stempniak 19 81 20 2 17 50 19 38 22 7 42 35 5v5
Away 3 19:15 Brodie 19 81 20 2 17 50 11 19 22 6 7 35 5v5
Away 3 19:14 Backlund 19 81 20 2 17 50 11 19 22 6 7 35 5v5
Home 3 16:17 Kruger 16 67 20 27 32 50 38 29 13 5 6 35 5v5
Home 3 13:43 Stalberg 65 25 29 2 17 50 19 29 58 7 42 35 5v5
Home 3 11:36 Toews 19 81 20 7 8 50 19 16 58 26 44 35 5v5
Home 3 9:30 Bickell 65 25 29 7 8 50 19 46 29 5 6 35 5v5
Home 3 9:14 Frolik 16 67 52 7 8 50 19 46 29 5 6 35 5v5
Home 3 8:39 Frolik 19 81 20 2 17 50 18 16 58 26 44 35 5v5
Home 3 7:48 Saad 26 81 20 2 32 50 18 16 58 26 44 35 5v5
Home 3 5:21 Kane 19 10 88 2 32 50 19 46 26 44 35   5v4

Home Team Player Summary

# Player EV     PP     SH    
2 KEITH, DUNCAN 18:14 3 5 02:01 2 0 00:00 0 0
7 SEABROOK, BRENT 19:09 9 4 01:34 0 0 00:00 0 0
8 LEDDY, NICK 20:25 9 5 01:46 0 0 00:00 0 0
10 SHARP, PATRICK 13:53 3 1 02:01 2 0 00:00 0 0
16 KRUGER, MARCUS 13:31 2 3 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
17 BROOKBANK, SHELDON 17:17 2 5 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
19 TOEWS, JONATHAN 13:37 5 5 02:01 2 0 00:00 0 0
20 SAAD, BRANDON 14:34 6 5 00:47 0 0 00:00 0 0
25 STALBERG, VIKTOR 12:43 7 2 00:48 1 0 00:00 0 0
26 HANDZUS, MICHAL 13:33 4 1 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
27 ODUYA, JOHNNY 17:21 5 2 00:13 0 1 00:00 0 0
29 BICKELL, BRYAN 14:28 6 3 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
32 ROZSIVAL, MICHAL 19:34 6 3 01:38 1 1 00:00 0 0
50 CRAWFORD, COREY   17 12   2 1   0 0
52 BOLLIG, BRANDON 12:10 2 3 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
65 SHAW, ANDREW 15:48 6 3 01:59 0 1 00:00 0 0
67 FROLIK, MICHAEL 13:26 3 3 00:05 0 1 00:00 0 0
81 HOSSA, MARIAN 12:52 5 5 01:59 0 1 00:00 0 0
88 KANE, PATRICK 17:25 2 2 03:08 2 0 00:00 0 0

Away Player Scoring Summary

# Player EV     PP     SH    
5 GIORDANO, MARK 20:49 2 5 00:00 0 0 00:56 1 1
6 SARICH, CORY 20:03 4 5 00:00 0 0 01:20 0 1
7 BRODIE, TJ 15:45 6 4 00:00 0 0 01:07 1 0
10 CERVENKA, ROMAN 01:34 2 0 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
11 BACKLUND, MIKAEL 13:51 5 0 00:00 0 0 01:04 1 1
13 CAMMALLERI, MIKE 15:43 2 1 00:00 0 0 00:49 1 1
16 MCGRATTAN, BRIAN 15:28 0 4 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
18 STAJAN, MATT 11:54 1 6 00:00 0 0 01:36 0 0
19 JONES, BLAIR 18:22 6 10 00:00 0 0 01:13 0 1
22 STEMPNIAK, LEE 18:42 6 7 00:00 0 0 00:25 0 0
26 WIDEMAN, DENNIS 20:08 4 7 00:00 0 0 02:17 0 1
29 ALIU, AKIM 16:26 4 7 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
35 MACDONALD, JOEY   12 17   0 0   1 2
38 STREET, BEN 14:38 4 1 00:00 0 0 00:22 0 0
42 CUNDARI, MARK 15:45 4 5 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
44 BUTLER, CHRIS 19:36 4 8 00:00 0 0 02:20 0 1
46 BANCKS, CARTER 15:36 2 5 00:00 0 0 01:13 0 1
51 HORAK, ROMAN 12:34 3 0 00:00 0 0 00:34 0 0
58 HANOWSKI, BEN 13:49 1 10 00:00 0 0 00:44 0 0

Home Team Period Summary Scoring Chances

Period Totals EV PP 5v3 PP SH 5v3 SH
1 6 3 6 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2 5 7 4 6 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
3 8 3 7 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Away Team Period Summary Scoring Chances

Period Totals EV PP 5v3 PP SH 5v3 SH
1 3 6 3 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2 7 5 6 4 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0
3 3 8 3 7 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0

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WHY THE FLAMES LOST

Let's be blunt here: they were playing the NHL's best team. They fought valiantly, they scored a short-handed goal and they played a defiant scrappy game. But they probably should have lost this game, and they did.

DRAFT PICK PROGRESS

Edmonton won! They passed Calgary! If Carolina gets a point or wins tomorrow, Calgary moves up a draft pick. Similarly, if Nashville wins tomorrow, Calgary moves up a draft pick.

Worst-case, Calgary sits sixth headed into the draft lottery. If Carolina and Nashville both succeed, they can draft as high as fourth. Go Hurricanes and Predators!

UP NEXT


The 2013 season is over. What's left is reflection on 2013 and preparation for 2013-14.

It's Green Garbage Bag Day down at the 'Dome on Sunday. We'll have an extra special day of coverage for you, in the sense that I'll be live-blogging in-between running to and from scrums. It'll be ever-so-much fun!

 Until then.

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Now in his fourth season covering the Calgary Flames and the NHL, Ryan Pike is a Calgary native and FlamesNation's managing editor. He's trying to keep his head up, his stick on the ice and is giving it 110% every shift. You can also find his work at The Hockey Writers and the Wrestling Observer.
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#1 seve927
April 27 2013, 07:31AM
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Welcome to Sucksville flames fans Enjoy your stay

Thanks! Can't stand the neighbours though, don't think we'll be taking up residence. Just passing through.

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#2 If Only HIs Name Was Olli Postandin
April 27 2013, 04:58PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

Cult of Hockey (an Oilers blog) has a nice look at where Barkov's performance this year ranks among other players taken out of that league.

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/04/27/statistically-aleksander-barkov-is-the-most-promising-nordic-forward-since-peter-forsberg/

The upshot? He's arguably the best since Forsberg (ahead of; the Sedin's, Naslund, etc.)

He's already 'man-sized' so the fact he didn't add any inches in height isn't much of a concern to me.

Frankly, as impressed as I am with Drouin (which is very), I would prefer the Flames take Barkov ahead of him should that choice present itself (it won't).

Barkov plays in the Finnish league, while the sedins and naslund are Swedes who played in the Swedish Elite league. Two totally different leagues, my friend, with the Swedish league having the better NHLE.

Plus, the Swedes played a couple of decades ago, so I really don't understand how their stats are relevant when contextualizing Barkov's performance.

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#3 RSD
April 27 2013, 04:11AM
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Welcome to Sucksville flames fans Enjoy your stay

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#4 SmellOfVictory
April 27 2013, 08:27AM
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Haha Jesus, Hanowski. That scoring chance differential.

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#5 BurningSensation
April 27 2013, 09:02AM
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Holy Cow - finally some good news! The Oilers win (ha!) and Flames loss means that we can either draft Barkov (my personal favourite) or have our choice of either Lindholm/Monahan (I prefer Lindholm, but Monahan's case is very interesting).

In other words, no matter how this shakes out the Flames should be able to draft the high skill pivot the org has been lacking since Joe-Who AND we would be taking the exact player the Oilers need/want most.

Good times

That all said, Feaster and Co. may have serious man-love for Drouin or Nichushkin (and if they do I'm fine with that, either could be exceptional, Drouin has a little Patrick Kane in him, and Nichuskin is a power-winger in the Jagr mold) or Nurse (uh-oh), and draft the BPA instead of for need.

Normally I'd be all over BPA, but this time around I think the temptation to take a center is simply too great to pass on, and the quality of the guys available where we draft is likely to be indistinguishable from the other positions.

In other good news, the Pens should face the Rangers in the first, and St Louis has drawn LA! The Rangers are perfectly poised to be Pen-killers; The Croz and Malkin are less than 100%, and the Rangers have a goaltender who can get white-hot for no goddamn reason at all. St Louis for all their strengths is a poor matchup against the Kings who are bigger and deeper at every position except defense, where it is something of a saw-off (Doughty is the best of all D in the series, but the Blues are deeper 1-6). If Quick returns to form, the Blues could easily be out in the 1st round.

Last but by no means least, the schadenfreude I get reading Oiler fan posts about what their win last night did to their chances of drafting Barkov has been pure bliss.

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#6 dotfras
April 27 2013, 09:04AM
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Backlund with a great scoring diff!

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#7 Willi P
April 27 2013, 09:08AM
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Flames could end up tied with Tampa Bay as well but ROW's would give TB the futility edge.

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#8 RexLibris
April 27 2013, 09:42AM
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@BurningSensation

Funny about the schadenfreude bit.

This morning there seems to be a sense of calm over who will be available at 7th or 8th, so long as Feaster and Weisbrod are picking ahead of the Oilers.

Looking over the draft rankings I think the Flames will be looking at one of Monahan, Linholm, Nurse or Nichushkin, assuming the top four are Jones, MacKinnon, Drouin and Barkov.

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#9 piscera.infada
April 27 2013, 09:53AM
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I really hope we get Monahan or Lindholm. I'm not sure Nurse is the guy the Flames need moving forward. I had dreams of Barkov, but I think he may even go top 2 now. And the Nischukin-KHL thing/connection always worries me.

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#10 suba steve
April 27 2013, 09:58AM
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@RexLibris

"Looking over the draft rankings I think the Flames will be looking at one of Monahan, Linholm, Nurse or Nichushkin, assuming the top four are Jones, MacKinnon, Drouin and Barkov."

Forget that, we're winning the lotto!

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#11 schevvy
April 27 2013, 10:00AM
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BTW for anyone interested, if the standings stay the same, and Pittsburgh and St. Louis lose in the 1st round, the draft picks would be #20 and #25. The NHL does not reseed the draft order based on playoff position until the conference finals. So, pick 27 and 28 go to conference finalists, 29 to the Cup finalist, and 30 for the Cup winner. It's one of the reasons I feel no shame in cheering for Iggy to win the Cup, because based on what I've read about the draft, the gap between 25-30 is not very big.

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#12 subz
April 27 2013, 10:16AM
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Good stuff schevvy,

Barkov could be around at 5, we have a small chance of drafting him, given the circumstances he would be my pick.

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#13 Baalzamon
April 27 2013, 10:18AM
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how is Backlund 5-0 in SC (at EV) against the Hawks? Go Mickis Go!!

Also, Horak was 3-0, and Ben Street (!!!) also impressive at 4-1.

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#14 Kevin R
April 27 2013, 10:19AM
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suba steve wrote:

"Looking over the draft rankings I think the Flames will be looking at one of Monahan, Linholm, Nurse or Nichushkin, assuming the top four are Jones, MacKinnon, Drouin and Barkov."

Forget that, we're winning the lotto!

That's the spirit! How sweet would that be & how that could accelerate our rebuild. We could drop 3-4 spots & get a top prospect for that #1 spot. I cant wait until Monday night!!

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#15 mattyc
April 27 2013, 10:49AM
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did we ever figure out what happened to Jones/why he got sent down? His postgame interview seemed to allude to it being something other than performance-based...

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#16 Veggie Dog
April 27 2013, 10:53AM
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All we need is a Nashville win to move up to 4th, and then Barkov is not such a long shot. If it goes Jones, Drouin/ Mackinnon/ Barkov we are set.

One of those three centers will be available. We just need to hope for a Nashville win and to not drop in the lottery. Worst case for me is winning the lottery and taking Jones because of the consensus #1 pick. He may be great, but we need a center more than anything. Preferably a giant Finnish one.

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#17 Franko J
April 27 2013, 10:56AM
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Although the team is not going to the post season, I'm excited to see on Monday who will win the Draft Lottery. With all 14 non-playoff teams involved any one of them has a chance for first overall.

Mercifully this season is over. After watching the game last night against the Blackhawks, I can see that as much as the team gave a good effort they have a long ways to go before they can compete with upper echelon in the league. Building towards a loftier status in the standings begins with the 2013 draft.

Just watching Toews and Kane along with Keith and Seabrook last night made me wonder if the Flames with the 9 picks in the upcoming draft will find a true game changer.

@ BurningSensation

I wonder if both the Pens and Blues lose it changes their draft ranking? I think the deeper a team goes into the playoffs their draft ranking will be determined. The sooner the better for Flames sake.

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#18 SmellOfVictory
April 27 2013, 10:58AM
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schevvy wrote:

BTW for anyone interested, if the standings stay the same, and Pittsburgh and St. Louis lose in the 1st round, the draft picks would be #20 and #25. The NHL does not reseed the draft order based on playoff position until the conference finals. So, pick 27 and 28 go to conference finalists, 29 to the Cup finalist, and 30 for the Cup winner. It's one of the reasons I feel no shame in cheering for Iggy to win the Cup, because based on what I've read about the draft, the gap between 25-30 is not very big.

Yup, very good for people to take note of.

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#19 Deaner_
April 27 2013, 11:00AM
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If the Flames were to win the draft lottery, I cant see them passing on Jones if for no other reason than they already have his D partner from the last 2 years already under contract.

i hope we go for a centre but i could see the Wotherspoon connection factoring into the decision making process.

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#20 dotfras
April 27 2013, 11:12AM
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@Deaner_

If we win the draft lottery & take Jones, I think it would be then imperative to package our other firsts to move up & grab a C, OR trade for an established C.

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#21 Franko J
April 27 2013, 11:15AM
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piscera.infada wrote:

I really hope we get Monahan or Lindholm. I'm not sure Nurse is the guy the Flames need moving forward. I had dreams of Barkov, but I think he may even go top 2 now. And the Nischukin-KHL thing/connection always worries me.

I agree drafting a Russian player because of the non-transfer / KHL factors is sketchy.

The Flames need to get bigger.

Right now how the team is assembled they have very few players with a good combination of size, skill and grit. It is imperative Feaster and the rest of the Flames scouting staff are prepared and have done their due diligence with their first round selections.

Over this past year Feaster has proven his track record for preparation and planning has been quite underwhelming. Let's see if he can prove to me that this team can continue to draft well.

IMaybe I'm wrong but this draft is set-up for Calgary to succeed with their 9 picks. If they fail to at the very least draft a game changing center, a big mobile D man and some wingers with good skill set speed and size then I'm afraid this reboot will take a very long time in the process back to playoff contention and respectability.

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#22 Kevin R
April 27 2013, 11:16AM
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Deaner_ wrote:

If the Flames were to win the draft lottery, I cant see them passing on Jones if for no other reason than they already have his D partner from the last 2 years already under contract.

i hope we go for a centre but i could see the Wotherspoon connection factoring into the decision making process.

Actually, I can see Feaster already knowing the player they want could be had at 8th or 9th pick & if they did win the lottery. they could flip it to Philly who right now are picking 8th, for Couturier & the 8th overall pick. Depending which top young prospect they get would determine who they take, if they get a centre, then they would take Ristoulenen(sp?)Or vica versa & they scoop Linholm or Monahan.

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#23 dotfras
April 27 2013, 11:19AM
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@Kevin R

8th is risky.

Things open up after 4th, someone ahead of them could easily draft the guy they want.

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#24 Lionlager
April 27 2013, 11:19AM
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Any word on MacDonald after him apparently spending the night in hospital?

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#25 Kent Wilson
April 27 2013, 11:20AM
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Cruickshank said this morning it as dehydration and he's fine now.

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#26 suba steve
April 27 2013, 11:21AM
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schevvy wrote:

BTW for anyone interested, if the standings stay the same, and Pittsburgh and St. Louis lose in the 1st round, the draft picks would be #20 and #25. The NHL does not reseed the draft order based on playoff position until the conference finals. So, pick 27 and 28 go to conference finalists, 29 to the Cup finalist, and 30 for the Cup winner. It's one of the reasons I feel no shame in cheering for Iggy to win the Cup, because based on what I've read about the draft, the gap between 25-30 is not very big.

My understanding is that these picks will also depend on who else loses. So if all the favorites lose in round 1, plus St Louis, then that makes their pick something closer to #15. Not likely to happen, but makes it hard to say that their pick will put us at #20 or 22 or wherever until StL loses and the round they lose out in is over.

Having said that, if they do lose in round one, their pick would land somewhere between 15th and 22nd. Then 2nd round losers pick 23rd to 26th.

At least that's how I have it figured out.

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#27 schevvy
April 27 2013, 11:21AM
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Got treated for dehydration, all tests for more serious stuff came up negative, so he's flying back to Calgary today.

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#28 Deaner_
April 27 2013, 11:22AM
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@dotfras

Agreed, If we do in fact finish 5th or 6th what do you think it will take to get into the top 4? Our first, St louis First ? I'm a firm believer that Feaster has no intention of drafting with all 3 firsts and that a move up is in the plans. If the right player is still available i'm all for it.

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#29 JaromeLoob1989
April 27 2013, 11:28AM
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Deaner_ wrote:

If the Flames were to win the draft lottery, I cant see them passing on Jones if for no other reason than they already have his D partner from the last 2 years already under contract.

i hope we go for a centre but i could see the Wotherspoon connection factoring into the decision making process.

I agree as Calgary's defence in my opinion isn't looking like world beaters now and the foreseeable future. If we won the lottery and got Jones imagine this defensive corps 3 years from now...

Jones Gio Brody Wideman Seiloff Wotherspoon

Don't know what you guys think but that top 6 looks pretty good to me. Toughness, skill, skating all of it is there

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#30 suba steve
April 27 2013, 11:33AM
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Don't forget Sarich! Will be resigned by Feaster with each expiring contract (with NTC) till he's 60.

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#31 schevvy
April 27 2013, 11:34AM
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@suba steve

I asked Friedman on twitter, he probably won't get back to me but you never know. I know last year, the teams weren't reseeded until the conference finals

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#32 JaromeLoob1989
April 27 2013, 11:36AM
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suba steve wrote:

Don't forget Sarich! Will be resigned by Feaster with each expiring contract (with NTC) till he's 60.

Haha how could I have forgotten???

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#33 BurningSensation
April 27 2013, 11:41AM
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RexLibris wrote:

Funny about the schadenfreude bit.

This morning there seems to be a sense of calm over who will be available at 7th or 8th, so long as Feaster and Weisbrod are picking ahead of the Oilers.

Looking over the draft rankings I think the Flames will be looking at one of Monahan, Linholm, Nurse or Nichushkin, assuming the top four are Jones, MacKinnon, Drouin and Barkov.

What I noticed in particular was that Oiler fans were screaming for Barkov to be their top pick, but now that Calgary is ahed of them, it seems highly unlikely that Barkov would be there.

There does seem to be a similar consensus among Oiler fans that if you can't get Barkov, one of Lindholm or Monahan is the next obvious choice.

Nichushkin both terrifies and fascinates me.

In 1990 the top 5 players picked were;

1. Owen Nolan 2. Petr Nedved 3. Keith Primeau 4. Mike Ricci

5. Jaromir Jagr

(Trevor Kidd was considered the top goaltender and likely a franchsie netminder. Sadly, that honour actually went to some guy named Brodeur taken in the 2nd).

My point being that I could easily see Nichushkin being the guy taken at pick 5 who ends up being the best guy in the draft when it's all said and done. The similarities between Jagr and Nichushkin are strong; both are big power/skill wingers with speed, they are beasts off the rush, have terrific shots, can stick-handle in an outhouse, both have 'question marks' about committment/attitude, and both are guys who can be fairly criticized for playing in a bubble.

If the Flames were to take Nichushkin I wouldn't be surprised or dissapointed. Would it make me nervous? Hell yes, but Nichushkin is definitely a high-end high reward prospect.

As for the Oilers, if Barkov is off the board, I could see them preferring a guy like Nurse to Lindholm (a tad undersized), or Monahan (have to squint to see improvement over his last year because of the crap team he played on and the lack of uptick in his offense).

Part of the issue I think is what the Oilers think Gagner is going forward. Is he a 2nd line center who can give you consistent offense and hold his own defensively? (I don't think so) Or is he a 3rd line center on a good team who is best used against weaker opposition (ala Derek Roy in Vcr)? If the Oilers commit to Gagner the obvious weakness on the roster is on defense, and that may tip their hand towards taking a guy like Nurse or Ristulainen over a question mark center like Lindholm/Monahan.

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#34 Mullen Mania
April 27 2013, 12:27PM
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According to About.com this is how the draft order is to work this year.

Draft Order

The 14 teams that missed the playoffs during the previous NHL season are awarded the first 14 picks. They draft in order of fewest points to most points, subject to the results of the draft lottery. The current Stanley Cup champion picks last (30th). The Stanley Cup runner-up picks 29th. The other two Conference Finalists pick 28th and 27th. Regular-season division winners hold the other lowest positions. Remaining teams draft in order of fewest points to most points from the previous regular season.

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#35 FireOnIce
April 27 2013, 12:31PM
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Funny that you mention Brodeur being drafted after Kidd. Guess who gave NJ that pick for Brodeur?

And I quote: "The Calgary Flames traded their first round selection in 1990 (20th overall), Detroit's second round selection in 1990 (previously acquired), and Minnesota's second round selection in 1990 (previously acquired) to the New Jersey Devils for the Devils' first (11th overall) and second round selections in 1990."

Calgary took Trevor Kidd, New Jersey got some sack of crap named Martin Brodeur. GREAT DRAFT!

Also, according to HF, Nichushkin is a centre, not a winger. Don't know where you got that he was a winger like Jagr. That's not a knock on you BS, I just don't know anything about the kid.

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#36 FireOnIce
April 27 2013, 12:34PM
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Any word on MacDonald after him apparently spending the night in hospital?

He accidentally grabbed Miikka's water bottle and drank vodka instead of water/gatorade all night. It's what we call a hangover.

Seriously though, glad he's alright.

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#37 ClYDE
April 27 2013, 12:49PM
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Barkov scares me a great deal. We are dealing with kids who are still developing. He was this size 2 years ago and has not improved at the rate that a Drouin, Jones, Zadorov and Lindholm have. He is still better than Lindholm but I don't think he has the same ceiling. I would love to see us move into the 1st round once more by dealing with a cap strapped team. Something like a Gio for Mezeros and their 1st with us eating the contract of Gio. Or a GlenX, 2014- 2nd for Ruutuu and their 1st with us again eating contract. In both cases we would be eating contract, losing a good player for a lesser player but getting that 1st. Teams like Philly and Carolina aren't really at the rebuilding stage like we are. Carolina will be very good with their goalie back next year and if Pha clears up their goalie mess and add Gio, they will be fine. Another team in Cap trouble to look at is TB and perhaps they would be open for business. I do think we are looking to deal with these teams but I think Feaster is targeting some decent RFA's rather than the drafts in order to give those teams cap space.

A draft lottery win and some moves would set us up for Drouin, Lindholm and Ristolainen. With some added parts through trades. Feaster is about to turn into Cliff Fletcher from the 80's.

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#38 Veggie Dog
April 27 2013, 12:54PM
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Barkov scares me a great deal. We are dealing with kids who are still developing. He was this size 2 years ago and has not improved at the rate that a Drouin, Jones, Zadorov and Lindholm have. He is still better than Lindholm but I don't think he has the same ceiling. I would love to see us move into the 1st round once more by dealing with a cap strapped team. Something like a Gio for Mezeros and their 1st with us eating the contract of Gio. Or a GlenX, 2014- 2nd for Ruutuu and their 1st with us again eating contract. In both cases we would be eating contract, losing a good player for a lesser player but getting that 1st. Teams like Philly and Carolina aren't really at the rebuilding stage like we are. Carolina will be very good with their goalie back next year and if Pha clears up their goalie mess and add Gio, they will be fine. Another team in Cap trouble to look at is TB and perhaps they would be open for business. I do think we are looking to deal with these teams but I think Feaster is targeting some decent RFA's rather than the drafts in order to give those teams cap space.

A draft lottery win and some moves would set us up for Drouin, Lindholm and Ristolainen. With some added parts through trades. Feaster is about to turn into Cliff Fletcher from the 80's.

Its weird, as a flames fan, discussing a draft with excitement. I really hope something good shakes loose from the teams who might be in cap trouble, but I am not sure a cap-strapped team will shed a draft pick that will be nearly nhl ready and cheap.

Either way the lottery and the draft are proving more exciting than the last bit of hockey since chucking in the towel.

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#39 gotommygo
April 27 2013, 01:10PM
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Agreed, If we do in fact finish 5th or 6th what do you think it will take to get into the top 4? Our first, St louis First ? I'm a firm believer that Feaster has no intention of drafting with all 3 firsts and that a move up is in the plans. If the right player is still available i'm all for it.

I agree and think it's doubtful that we will draft all three first round picks. But I also have a feeling that Kevin R is correct in that they will try to move down rather than up so that they can get that diamond in the rough that no other team noticed.

That's what they did last year...

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#40 seve927
April 27 2013, 01:49PM
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I agree and think it's doubtful that we will draft all three first round picks. But I also have a feeling that Kevin R is correct in that they will try to move down rather than up so that they can get that diamond in the rough that no other team noticed.

That's what they did last year...

Trading down from 14 is quite different than trading down from 5. There was no star potential available so I think it made a lot of sense to trade down and get two guys they wanted instead of one. I don't think there's any reason to believe they'll trade star potential for quantity based on that.

They didn't the year before...

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#41 BurningSensation
April 27 2013, 02:06PM
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Funny that you mention Brodeur being drafted after Kidd. Guess who gave NJ that pick for Brodeur?

And I quote: "The Calgary Flames traded their first round selection in 1990 (20th overall), Detroit's second round selection in 1990 (previously acquired), and Minnesota's second round selection in 1990 (previously acquired) to the New Jersey Devils for the Devils' first (11th overall) and second round selections in 1990."

Calgary took Trevor Kidd, New Jersey got some sack of crap named Martin Brodeur. GREAT DRAFT!

Also, according to HF, Nichushkin is a centre, not a winger. Don't know where you got that he was a winger like Jagr. That's not a knock on you BS, I just don't know anything about the kid.

It's certainly possible that Nichuskin plays C in the KHL, but when I 'saw him good' it was as a winger.

If he genuinely has the skillset to play C, then it only improves my feelings about him, since my biggest concern about taking him is that he isn't the franchise pivot we are all craving.

All the chatter in the hockeyblogosphere that I read is that he is considered a RW.

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#42 Baalzamon
April 27 2013, 02:07PM
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I've seen Nichushkin listed at RW, LW, and C, depending on where I looked. Most of the time he's listed as a winger. He played RW at the wjc, for what it's worth.

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#43 dotfras
April 27 2013, 02:10PM
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Well we need a RW too!

As long as we don't take a LW we're good.

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#44 BurningSensation
April 27 2013, 02:15PM
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ClYDE wrote:

Barkov scares me a great deal. We are dealing with kids who are still developing. He was this size 2 years ago and has not improved at the rate that a Drouin, Jones, Zadorov and Lindholm have. He is still better than Lindholm but I don't think he has the same ceiling. I would love to see us move into the 1st round once more by dealing with a cap strapped team. Something like a Gio for Mezeros and their 1st with us eating the contract of Gio. Or a GlenX, 2014- 2nd for Ruutuu and their 1st with us again eating contract. In both cases we would be eating contract, losing a good player for a lesser player but getting that 1st. Teams like Philly and Carolina aren't really at the rebuilding stage like we are. Carolina will be very good with their goalie back next year and if Pha clears up their goalie mess and add Gio, they will be fine. Another team in Cap trouble to look at is TB and perhaps they would be open for business. I do think we are looking to deal with these teams but I think Feaster is targeting some decent RFA's rather than the drafts in order to give those teams cap space.

A draft lottery win and some moves would set us up for Drouin, Lindholm and Ristolainen. With some added parts through trades. Feaster is about to turn into Cliff Fletcher from the 80's.

Cult of Hockey (an Oilers blog) has a nice look at where Barkov's performance this year ranks among other players taken out of that league.

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/04/27/statistically-aleksander-barkov-is-the-most-promising-nordic-forward-since-peter-forsberg/

The upshot? He's arguably the best since Forsberg (ahead of; the Sedin's, Naslund, etc.)

He's already 'man-sized' so the fact he didn't add any inches in height isn't much of a concern to me.

Frankly, as impressed as I am with Drouin (which is very), I would prefer the Flames take Barkov ahead of him should that choice present itself (it won't).

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#45 Baalzamon
April 27 2013, 02:16PM
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Yeah, going from 16 in 32 to 48 in 53 is just such a slight improvement. He only had the best 17yo season in SM-liiga history. He must not be anythig special.

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#46 Flameon47
April 27 2013, 02:55PM
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We will probably have our choice between monahan, Shinkaruk, and Lindholm which i think r great pick-ups.

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#47 petemaherrocks
April 27 2013, 03:58PM
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well thats that hopefully the draft works out, anyone know what the status of the overtime show on fan 960 is for next season really hope its a go. I caught Pat Steinberg mention somethinglast week about things being not good, not sure what he meant by that.Is it health related or something else really enjoy listening to the show.

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#48 If Only HIs Name Was Olli Postandin
April 27 2013, 05:28PM
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AnD for those that get giddy about players with lofty stats in the Finnish elite league, I would point you in the direction of the elder Granlund. He had great numbers over there, and couldn't even crack an NHL roster. That isn't a knock on him, as he is offensively talented, but couldn't handle the speed, size, physciality, and defensive responsiblities of the NHL.

It's a big leap, and some guys who put up great numbers across the pond just can never adapt.

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#49 KetchupKid
April 27 2013, 06:18PM
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Nashville and Tampa are both up a goal in their games. Looking good...

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#50 Baalzamon
April 27 2013, 06:40PM
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Tampa is irrelevant because the Flames win the tie breaker. You should be cheering for Carolina (who, unfortunately, is losing)

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