Post Game: I, Uh, Well...Hmmm

bookofloob
April 07 2013 02:00AM

 

 

Well, chalk one up to you guys on Team Tank Mode. Your Calgary Flames (they are still YOUR Calgary Flames, are they not?) outclassed and outplayed their division rivals tonight, had a strong enough game to win, lost., and now sit one step closer to the NHL's consolation prize in MacKiDrouJoneKov, or whatever other backwards high school kid Jay Feaster decides to draft that no one's ever heard of.

Indeed, it was not the Flames night. A 5-2 loss to the Canucks might be more or less the way people expected this game to end, but that line really flatters the Canucks and makes the Flames look like the fat kid at the dance who couldn't score a date, but that's not how this one played out in reality.

In the same vein, the Flames, now with 11 games left in the season, are riding it out down the stretch and playing for something meaningful, just not in the way you'd be hoping they would. The most we can hope for now is for the team to play compeitive, watchable hockey, where the results dictate the Flames get something worthwhile out of it.

Which is exactly what happened tonight, and it was infuriating. A 5-2 loss, and all the Flames have to show for it is a shot at a Top 3 pick and a broken Matt Stajan.

Run It Down

 Van City is abuzz these days with the news that the Canucks might potentially be retiring Pavel Bure's jersey, FINALLY, and in fitting fashion, the Orca played this game like they were in cahoots with Bure's ties to the Russian Mob and throwing the game for a quick score.

That was a rather roundabout analogy, no?

Regardless, the Flames and their half a roster looked like the team that was attempting to win the division tonight, and even while being the squad playing the last half of a back to back for once, the Canucks were not able to come in and win this game through sheer will like they seemed to think they could.

Which, of course, happened anyway.

Cory Schneider happened big time in this game, and was very much a key factor in the win for the Canucks, making some timely saves off the likes of the Cervenkas and Cammalleris of the world when they balance of the game was very much still in question. The Canucks' "Don't Call Me Ginger" and number one incumbent made 36 saves in this one, and even the goal he surrendered to Alex Tanguay in the third came when the NHL.com folks were all but adding the two points to the Canucks on the standings page.

The Flames could have had this game wrapped up in the first if not for a bit better puck luck and some frustratingly common Vancouver opportunism, as the Flaming C outshot the Canucks 15-8 in the first period, outchanced them 12-2, and....trailed 2-1. Vancouver opened the score 34 seconds in and Calgary could have packed it all in from there, but the fans were treated to a few scraps and the Flames pulling themselves up by the skatestraps as they went along. And Dennis Wideman scored, so everyone get happy!

It was more of the same in the second, as the granola munchin' hippies from the West Coast padded their lead by adding 2 more goals on what some would say questionable goaltending from Miikka Kiprusoff, himself playing in back to back games despite being 35 years old and also being 35 years old. I wouldn't blame him myself, but hey, at this stage in the season and his career, it's all kind of moot anyway - they both put a fork in it weeks ago.

Chances were even at 5 in the second, and with the Canucks outshooting Calgary 10-9 and the Sedins almost assuredly cheating somehow, the Flames found themselves down 4-1 going into the third.

The third period began and the game was over, but that didn't stop Kevin Bieksa, the Canucks' resident cymbal bangin' monkey, from taking a needless, late, and deliberate elbow to the head of Flames All World Superstar Matty Franchise Stajan. Bieksa only got 2 minutes on the play like he was Gunner Stahl, but Stajan was all Gumby'd after, and it just did not look good. SO GOOD WORK ON THAT ONE BIEKSA, I'm sure you'll get the proper amount of discipline meted out to you for haha just kidding, Brendan Shanahan.

The chances in the third were 9-1 Flames, as they dominated the period, but like you might have guessed, that ONE Canucks chance? Yeah, they scored. Story of the game right there.

Reinhart of The Game

Though there was stiff competition from Tim Hunter's 21 year old son, who may or may not even exist, Reinhart of the Game went to rookie Max Reinhart, making his Flames and NHL debut tonight in absence of real hockey players currently available to the Flames (unless you count like Sven and Jones and whatever)

Paul's son played over 16 minutes in his big league deflowering, and that's not bad when you think about it. He had 3 shots on goal and rightfully played more minutes than McGrattan, Begin and the bunch, and filled in decently enough in what I guess is probably Blake Comeau's roster spot.

Reinhart's continued spot on the team remains tenuous, because the Abbotsford Heat have been eliminated from the playoffs, and Calgary is 5 or 6 losses away from the same fate, meaning a lot of AHLers are about to start getting a lot of looks from Flames brass as the season wanes down, just to see who's worth a shot on and who should be cut loose but won't because who are the Flames going to trade for when they already got their "big get" in Mike Testwuide.

The End

There's 11 games left, friends, this pain will all be over soon. Have you guys picked a playoff team to cheer for yet? I'm going with Columbus, because after all those years of watching him toil in a Flames jersey, it sure would be nice to see Blake Comeau win a Stanley Cup, and he's on the powerhouse squad to get it done.

(Hopefully Tim Erixon somehow gets cut before the playoffs start. I was hoping he was involved in a trade for Alex Ovechkin on Deadline Day)

The good news is the Oilers still look like they suck, and if they miss the playoffs, the Flames rebuild is automatically better than the Oilers one, though I have no idea how. But that's something to look out for.

The Flames are back at it on Monday, traveling to Denver to take on those snowfooted sasquatch bastard Avalanche, and the implications for that one and how they relate to the number one overall pick make me weepy knowing that it's come to this. But hey, buck up, tank fans, the game's on the road, and we all know what that means.

And all your Raw Data, Nerds

And yet somehow Calgary lost this game. I need a shower.

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#1 mk
April 07 2013, 02:07AM
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Well if has confused feelings writing that, so did I while reading it. I want the Flames to win, but a long-term view says losing now is best. Ugh. I'm hitching my horse to the Backlund wagon because damn is he...okay. Better than other players. :)

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#2 KetchupKid
April 07 2013, 05:34AM
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You know, I'm beginning to think that this might not be a cup-year for us.

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#3 beloch
April 07 2013, 05:50AM
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KetchupKid wrote:

You know, I'm beginning to think that this might not be a cup-year for us.

Sure it is, provided it's a beer mug. The more cups the easier these games are to watch!

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#4 Willi P
April 07 2013, 08:58AM
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Wake me up for the draft.

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#5 wattree
April 07 2013, 09:32AM
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Not sure the Weiss hit kn McGratton doesn't deserve a closer look. sure looked like he put his shoulder right into his head. but then he's a human punching bag so what's the big deal right? I hate the wheel of justice in this league.

As much as we make fun of the ice time given to the 4th line, man are they fun to watch right now

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#6 Alt
April 07 2013, 11:35AM
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wattree wrote:

Not sure the Weiss hit kn McGratton doesn't deserve a closer look. sure looked like he put his shoulder right into his head. but then he's a human punching bag so what's the big deal right? I hate the wheel of justice in this league.

As much as we make fun of the ice time given to the 4th line, man are they fun to watch right now

I was thinking the same thing.Sure looked like a deliberate shoulder to head on McGratton.

Also ,think Stajan has showed a strengh in character this year,by elevating his game despite his whipping boy status.

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#7 negrilcowboy
April 07 2013, 11:40AM
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so i guess we are out of the playoff picture now or does flyin j figure we still have a chance.

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#8 First Name Unidentified
April 07 2013, 11:48AM
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Hi Kent,

Here are 3 names I would like to see the Flames draft (or at least try to draft) in the first round this year:

Nate Mac: We have a decent shot at him because he has slipped in the rankings lately due to his injury. We take him at #3. I guess Avs will take Jones and Panthers will take Drouin

Frederick Gauthier: (with the STL pick at # 17) A solid 6ft 5 centre who plays like a power forward but is also good defensively. He has 60 pts in 62 games and carries a solid frame of 210 lbs at his age.

Morgan Klimchuk: (with the PIT pick).

Thoughts?

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#9 exsanguinator
April 07 2013, 12:00PM
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Now fellas, it's not over yet. All the Flames have to do is with 13 games in a row to get to 56 points and a playoff spot. Flames never die!

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#10 exsanguinator
April 07 2013, 12:00PM
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Also SVEN has been recalled.

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#11 Reidja
April 07 2013, 12:07PM
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Watching them lose 5-3 with Iggy and Bouw would have been 1Billion times worse. This was my favourite game of the season.

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#12 Q
April 07 2013, 12:50PM
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Infuriating? Hardly! This is a good day Flames fans! We have some kids basically already at training camp for next year, the old dudes aren't getting all the ice time and losing, and we are like the Jefferson's on draft day, "movn on up"! Couldn't be happier! This is refreshing! It's not about winning. We are truly seeing who wants in and who wants out, and its pretty easy to tell! Kudos to the coaches for playing all the young kids on the PP! Just makes me realize how sick this team was , still stuck in the Sutter mode even after the firing of both sutters! This team needed an enema and it has begun, and the best thing about it is we go young and go young very quickly!

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#13 Q
April 07 2013, 01:00PM
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I was stoked before I heard Sven was called up! Now I'm really happy! Great move management! This isn't just a tryout! This is for the fans! I believe they see that the fans need something to be positive about and thisworks! It gives us some hope! I would love to see some healthy scratches of old players, especially sulkers like tanguay! This is down right awesome!

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#14 Alt
April 07 2013, 01:43PM
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Q wrote:

I was stoked before I heard Sven was called up! Now I'm really happy! Great move management! This isn't just a tryout! This is for the fans! I believe they see that the fans need something to be positive about and thisworks! It gives us some hope! I would love to see some healthy scratches of old players, especially sulkers like tanguay! This is down right awesome!

Sulkers like Tanquay.Where does that come from? Also you're living in lala land if you believe this or any other team can have success with all young player's.We will need guys like Tanguay.I believe you also felt that Glencross was a sulker.Where does this come from?

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#15 Q
April 07 2013, 02:01PM
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@Alt

You are in lala land dude! The crap we have on this team other than Glenn x and Gio have been around toooooo long! tangs shouldn't have had more than two years! His raw talent is amazing but when it comes to crunch time he sulks if the chips are down! When Keenan was coach he requested a trade and sulked because of the different role Keenan had had for him! He was making 5+ then too! True pros don't sulk, and he does! He doesn't play with heart! I don't question his skill! I'll even give you stajan stempniak and wideman! We mined them! But I'm not a fan of tangs effort vs. skill! It's tangs that's in lala land!

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#16 Franko J
April 07 2013, 02:04PM
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Finally this team is going to give the younger guys a chance. A chance to prove their worth. While this team may not have the youth movement or so called pedigree of some other teams, they have the necessary foundation in place to be better. Last night what I saw from Reinhart, Backlund, Brodie and even Butler, there are some pillars to build upon. What I saw from them is the work ethic which has been lacking from this team for a very long time. At the very least they didn't give up. With Baertschi added to the mix, I am excited to see what our prospects can do. Cannot be any worse than the first 37 games of this season.

Despite the games remaining may not mean much in the standings and to the veterans who will watch another season wasted with no playoff hockey, the next 11 games will give Flame's fans a further indication what the future could have in store.

After watching the play of Brodie and Backlund along with the 4th line play for the past 2 games in addition to Reinhart's tenacity last night I like what I am watching.

Maybe with youth there will be mistakes and inconsistency in their game, but I like the effort, the tenacity and most of all the ability to not give up through a bit of adversity.

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#17 Kevin R
April 07 2013, 02:09PM
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Loober, you need to keep taking your memory pills. Do you really think Flames would have won last night with Iggy & JBO? It wasnt long ago that most on this site agreed this "Country Club" needed a major renovation. Most hate living through renovations but damn they look good when its done. So Godspeed on the rebuild/renovation. I love what Mcgratten & Jackman established early. I will get blazed for this but this was important for our smaller skilled forwards & will be even moreso in the future. Who cant get excited about the addition of a top 3 future stud at this draft & maybe we get lucky & manoeuvre for 2. There is hope yet for a quicker rebound than many think.

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#18 Franko J
April 07 2013, 02:26PM
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First Name Unidentified wrote:

Hi Kent,

Here are 3 names I would like to see the Flames draft (or at least try to draft) in the first round this year:

Nate Mac: We have a decent shot at him because he has slipped in the rankings lately due to his injury. We take him at #3. I guess Avs will take Jones and Panthers will take Drouin

Frederick Gauthier: (with the STL pick at # 17) A solid 6ft 5 centre who plays like a power forward but is also good defensively. He has 60 pts in 62 games and carries a solid frame of 210 lbs at his age.

Morgan Klimchuk: (with the PIT pick).

Thoughts?

Can't argue with those picks. Good choices. I was wondering if CAlgary went the way of defensive help who would you pick for a defenseman in the first round? I don't know about yourself I can't wait for draft position day on I believe April 30th. In all my years watching the Flames I think this is closest this team has come to the possibilities of drafting 1st overall. Too bad at the trade deadline the Flames couldn't aquire a few more picks, maybe at the draft they might. Particularly few 2nd rounders. I find while the first round theoretically should provide the team with a top 6 forward, top 2 defenseman, or can't miss goaltender, the real good teams with success finds the players in the 2nd round who can compliment and sometimes improve the teams fortunes. Too bad the Flames have a penchant for trading second round picks away. While the team continues to struggle I often wonder what could have been if they actually kept them?

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#19 A
April 07 2013, 02:41PM
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@Kevin R

Awesome comment! Amen to everything you said!

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#20 T&A4Flames
April 07 2013, 02:57PM
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First Name Unidentified wrote:

Hi Kent,

Here are 3 names I would like to see the Flames draft (or at least try to draft) in the first round this year:

Nate Mac: We have a decent shot at him because he has slipped in the rankings lately due to his injury. We take him at #3. I guess Avs will take Jones and Panthers will take Drouin

Frederick Gauthier: (with the STL pick at # 17) A solid 6ft 5 centre who plays like a power forward but is also good defensively. He has 60 pts in 62 games and carries a solid frame of 210 lbs at his age.

Morgan Klimchuk: (with the PIT pick).

Thoughts?

I'm completely on board with those 1st 2 picks but not so much on Klimchuck. From what I hear he's a 5'11" C destined for maybe a 3rd line role. If CGY is able to get MacKinnon and Gauthier, they should look at a D and preferably a right shooting D. At #30 (or so), I would look at Madison Bowey. I would be ok with a big RW in Zykov as well.

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#21 T&A4Flames
April 07 2013, 03:00PM
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Q wrote:

You are in lala land dude! The crap we have on this team other than Glenn x and Gio have been around toooooo long! tangs shouldn't have had more than two years! His raw talent is amazing but when it comes to crunch time he sulks if the chips are down! When Keenan was coach he requested a trade and sulked because of the different role Keenan had had for him! He was making 5+ then too! True pros don't sulk, and he does! He doesn't play with heart! I don't question his skill! I'll even give you stajan stempniak and wideman! We mined them! But I'm not a fan of tangs effort vs. skill! It's tangs that's in lala land!

Lay off Tangs dude. That was a few years ago now and even Tanguay has eluded to the fact that he was less than happy with Keenan and that he has grown up. Same could be said for Cammi, GlenX and a few other guys. Bottom line, as long as they play hard and try hard, they will be good to help our young guys.

On that note, I thought Reinhart looked good last night for his 1st game.

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#22 Fleury4pm
April 07 2013, 03:15PM
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Gauthier or Adam Erne with St. Louis pick would be great

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#23 First Name Unidentified
April 07 2013, 03:23PM
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i think we should seriously package Stempniak to get our second round pick back.

That 2nd rd pick could be used to pick a D like Tom Vanelli. As Kent and other posters mentioned, I'm not a big fan of drafting D in the first round because they take longer to develop. Vanelli is an aggressive skater at 6'2 and 170 lbs. He has a great transition game and is currently playing for US under 18 with U of MINN.

If we pick Nate Mac and Freddy Gauthier, we will have a decent lineup of Centremen in Backlund, Nate Mac, Gauthier and Stajan/Horak.

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#24 The Last Big Bear
April 07 2013, 03:25PM
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Being me Barkov.

I wil forgive Feaster for a lot of things if he drafts Barkov.

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#25 First Name Unidentified
April 07 2013, 03:28PM
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Also, I'm not a big fan of Baertschi call up at this point in the season. The locker room is pretty toxic with "a losing attitude" and making excuses. There are still toxic players in that locker room that could hurt a youngster's attitude moving forward.

Just my opinion!

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#26 Q
April 07 2013, 03:33PM
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@T&A4Flames

Nope! Not a chance! He's cancerous! I want him gone! Stajan at least has worked his butt off to earn back respect!

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#27 Kevin R
April 07 2013, 03:59PM
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I want Barkov & Mackinnon. We gotta figure out how to get 2 of the top 4 or 5. Gotta, pleeeeeeasssseee. I was thinking of teams with big cap issues with resignings & what not. Rangers are interesting, they need to resign Stepan & Mcdonough, be nice to snag one of them, maybe for the Pitt 1st rounder, maybe. Preference would be targetting Philly. Now they have some cap issues. I wonder if we take Timmonen with 1 year left of a 6.0mill cap hit & their 1st rounder, could be potential top 10 pick for Butler & Pitts 1st rounder. Saves them 5.0 mill of cap space & they still have a late 1st rounder. Then we get a few feet closer to packaging a top 10 pick ++ players for that top 5 pick, depending who has them.

Washington may have cap space issues, & they also have a guy like Jeff Shultz with 1 year left at 2.75mill(whose from Calgary), they also would have a top 10 pick they would move for one of our later ones & a prospect like Horak. They also have to resign a few guys like Alzner & Neuvirth, maybe we can score with our Pitt 1st. Wheels are a turning.

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#28 ned
April 07 2013, 04:19PM
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T&A4Flames wrote:

I'm completely on board with those 1st 2 picks but not so much on Klimchuck. From what I hear he's a 5'11" C destined for maybe a 3rd line role. If CGY is able to get MacKinnon and Gauthier, they should look at a D and preferably a right shooting D. At #30 (or so), I would look at Madison Bowey. I would be ok with a big RW in Zykov as well.

The Flames MUST draft Seth Jones.

For me the pick has to be Jones and the Flames should make whatever trade neccesairy to do it (package up our eventual lottery pick with one of the two other 1st and maybe try to get a 2nd rounder comming the other way or something). At any rate Jones seems the clear number one not just for the draft but to meet the needs of the Flames franchise going forth. Sven Barchie is not the future of the Flames franchise - no knock on Sven really, but he just doesn't have the presence to fill the huge shoes left by Ignila. The post Iginal era needs to be handled smartly by the Flames (not that i trust the brains-trust to do it mind you). The franchise has reapped the benefits of a strong fanbase (much of it corporate) for the last ten years largely on the back of Ignila and a magical run in '04. The team up the road is is likely gonna start winning one of these days (god help us) and we can't afford to fall too far behind. The franchise's pride is on the line here, let alone the fact that corparate 'fans' aren't nearly as loyal old mom and pop. If the kids up north start winning interests and money will likely follow. For the sake of the franchise, both in terms of appealing to the ticket paying fanbase, attracting UFAs, and obviously being able to build you team around a player of Jones' talent, he makes the most sense. I see no better way to rebuild the roster and reinstil the hard working style of play the Calgary Flames were once - and should again be about - than building around a stud defenseman.

Jones is a big, smart all around dman with pedagree - albeit from the basketball court. Players of these types are premium commodities in the NHL. What makes him perhaps even more valuable is that he seems to hold many of the valuable characteristics of our recently departed hall of fame* captain. He's a mature, articulate, confident, tough and competitive kid who seems well equiped to handle the duties of a captain both on and off the ice - and sooner rather than later I would think.

MacKinnon and Drouin are sure to be solid players in this league at some point but Jones looks like he could step in to the lineup tomorrow. Picking the guy who can step into the line up and be the face of the franchise sooner rather than later helps honour Edwards' "marching orders" - as unrealistic as those may be.

Obviously Colorado really wants Jones too. His dad's time with the Nuggets was evidently an influential period in the kid's early hockey development. The Avs would love to milk that storylines in their own rebuild. By trying to land the first overall pick, the Flames have yet another opportunity to stick it to the Avs.

The Flames MUST draft Seth Jones.

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#29 T&A4Flames
April 07 2013, 04:28PM
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The Last Big Bear wrote:

Being me Barkov.

I wil forgive Feaster for a lot of things if he drafts Barkov.

I love Barkov! He is my 2nd choice behind MacKinnon.

My wish list:

1st pick: MacKinnon, Barkov, Jones

2nd pick: Ristolainen, Pulock, Gauthier (depends on 1st pick)

3rd pick: Bowey, Zykov, Bailey

Also agree with FNU about trying to require our 2nd. Not sure how that would work but any early to mid 2nd rounder would be nice.

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#30 T&A4Flames
April 07 2013, 04:30PM
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Q wrote:

Nope! Not a chance! He's cancerous! I want him gone! Stajan at least has worked his butt off to earn back respect!

Tanguay? I just don't don't agree. That said, if he brings back a nice package, see ya'

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#31 T&A4Flames
April 07 2013, 04:33PM
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Kevin R wrote:

I want Barkov & Mackinnon. We gotta figure out how to get 2 of the top 4 or 5. Gotta, pleeeeeeasssseee. I was thinking of teams with big cap issues with resignings & what not. Rangers are interesting, they need to resign Stepan & Mcdonough, be nice to snag one of them, maybe for the Pitt 1st rounder, maybe. Preference would be targetting Philly. Now they have some cap issues. I wonder if we take Timmonen with 1 year left of a 6.0mill cap hit & their 1st rounder, could be potential top 10 pick for Butler & Pitts 1st rounder. Saves them 5.0 mill of cap space & they still have a late 1st rounder. Then we get a few feet closer to packaging a top 10 pick ++ players for that top 5 pick, depending who has them.

Washington may have cap space issues, & they also have a guy like Jeff Shultz with 1 year left at 2.75mill(whose from Calgary), they also would have a top 10 pick they would move for one of our later ones & a prospect like Horak. They also have to resign a few guys like Alzner & Neuvirth, maybe we can score with our Pitt 1st. Wheels are a turning.

I'm fully on board with this line of thinking. Guys like Timmonen should come on the cheap due to cap constraints and with only 1 year left on their contracts could be attractive options at the deadline for more picks.

If we could acquire another 2 or 3 1st rounders between this year and next, our rebuild could be done. We would just have to develop at that point. Plus we would then have attractive young ads bait to quicken the rebuild.

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#32 T&A4Flames
April 07 2013, 04:39PM
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@ned

I think taking Jones 1st would be a mistake. I wouldn't be upset if that is what we got but I would prefer a forward (just not a LW- we have more than enough).

You want NHL ready, look no further than Barkov. Listed at 6'3" and 209 lbs. as an 18 yr old. Already place a big mans game in the Finnish elite league. Russian heritage (parents) with Finnish hockey tenacity, yea, I'll take that.

Mac offers flexibility. A right shot who plays C but I believe has played some RW as well. Perfect fit IMO.

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#33 suba steve
April 07 2013, 04:46PM
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@ned

From all I hear, Jones will be a star. I have some trouble taking a D-man with the Flames best draft position ever though. The fact that most have aknowledged that the last elite C on this team was Joe Nieuwendyk makes me think we need to fill the #1C position first, then go looking for D with a later pick. I like the thought that if we were fortunate enough to land the coveted #1 selection, we could trade down a position or two and use the assets that brings in to move up from the St.Louis (and PITT) draft choice(s) and end up with two top 10 selections (say #3 and one of #4-8). Not sure that it is possible, but would be great to land 2 (possible) franchise quality players in a single year.

Not saying Jones would be a bad choice, if he has the kind of impact that Lidstrom or Pronger had, he would be a great choice too. But, I would rather grab 2 first class players if passing on Jones made that possible.

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#34 Sims
April 07 2013, 05:25PM
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Kevin R wrote:

I want Barkov & Mackinnon. We gotta figure out how to get 2 of the top 4 or 5. Gotta, pleeeeeeasssseee. I was thinking of teams with big cap issues with resignings & what not. Rangers are interesting, they need to resign Stepan & Mcdonough, be nice to snag one of them, maybe for the Pitt 1st rounder, maybe. Preference would be targetting Philly. Now they have some cap issues. I wonder if we take Timmonen with 1 year left of a 6.0mill cap hit & their 1st rounder, could be potential top 10 pick for Butler & Pitts 1st rounder. Saves them 5.0 mill of cap space & they still have a late 1st rounder. Then we get a few feet closer to packaging a top 10 pick ++ players for that top 5 pick, depending who has them.

Washington may have cap space issues, & they also have a guy like Jeff Shultz with 1 year left at 2.75mill(whose from Calgary), they also would have a top 10 pick they would move for one of our later ones & a prospect like Horak. They also have to resign a few guys like Alzner & Neuvirth, maybe we can score with our Pitt 1st. Wheels are a turning.

Totally agree with this!! Mackinnon & Barkov could be like our own Crosby & Malkin. Or imagine Mackinnon & Jones, or Barkov & Jones, that could fast track this rebuild by a year IMO.

I was talking with my buddy the other day about idea's how they could trade for another top 5/top 10 pick, and I was saying I don't think trading Stl+Pitt picks would be enough to get it done, than he asked if I would trade John Gaudreau + one or both late picks to get into the top 5. At first I thought no way I would do that because I'm a big fan of Gaudreau and you don't know if he could be that St. Louis down the road... But after thinking about it, this risk of Guadreau's size and big hill he has to climb to be a NHLer I think I would do it, if it would even get the trade done.

So would you trade Guadreau + Stl + Pitt picks to get into the top five?? ( if that would be enough to get the deal done)

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#35 Kevin R
April 07 2013, 06:10PM
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Totally agree with this!! Mackinnon & Barkov could be like our own Crosby & Malkin. Or imagine Mackinnon & Jones, or Barkov & Jones, that could fast track this rebuild by a year IMO.

I was talking with my buddy the other day about idea's how they could trade for another top 5/top 10 pick, and I was saying I don't think trading Stl+Pitt picks would be enough to get it done, than he asked if I would trade John Gaudreau + one or both late picks to get into the top 5. At first I thought no way I would do that because I'm a big fan of Gaudreau and you don't know if he could be that St. Louis down the road... But after thinking about it, this risk of Guadreau's size and big hill he has to climb to be a NHLer I think I would do it, if it would even get the trade done.

So would you trade Guadreau + Stl + Pitt picks to get into the top five?? ( if that would be enough to get the deal done)

2 1st's & Johnny is pretty steep, I would be awful tempted. I see Johnny as our powerplay & shoot out guy. Would rather give up Gio & those 2 1sts, especially a team like Colorado might be tempted. But after what we did to them with ROR, I dont think Sherman & Feaster are talking these days. Florida is likely to have a top 5 pick as well & maybe Carolina. Carolina may go with a Gio & our 2013 St Louis 1st & maybe Stempniak for the top 5 1st. Have no idea what Florida would want.

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#36 Sims
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@Kevin R

Ya, it is pretty steep. I would rather trade Gio aswell if that would get the deal done. Haha I would love to hear how Feaster would start that conversation with Sherman though!!

I do like your idea of taking on a bigger contract player plus swapping Pitt or Stl picks for phi pick or whatever team that's in the top ten. That's probably the best way to go about it.

I'll I know is that if Feaster can get another top 5/10 pick I'll be a Happy man!! (It's very doubtful with Feaster in charge, so I'm not getting my hopes to high)

...But hopefully he surprises us all!!

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#37 Rockmorton65
April 07 2013, 08:39PM
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What a strange time to be a Flames fan. Cheering for the team, but thinking it best that they lose (in regulation, no less). AND I find myself cheering for St Louis, Florida, and...ugh...Colorado. Crazy times.

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#38 Jeff In Lethbridge
April 07 2013, 08:46PM
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ok guys, serious question..... what happens to M Backland??? didnt flames sign him to A 1 year??? me thinks Flames soured him and he signs somewhere else... and i'm wondering if Oilers are interested. what do flames haveta pay the guy to stck around for a rebuild???? I think he's gone.

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#39 ChinookArch
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Backlund is an RFA next year he's not going anywhere.

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#40 T&A4Flames
April 07 2013, 09:20PM
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FLA wins tonight. We are officially in 2nd last place. Wish the draft was today.

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#41 FlamedOut
April 07 2013, 09:22PM
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I think all this talk about Barkov, Jones and Mackinnon is a bit overblown. I think there is a better option that better fits Jay Feaster's direction with the the team.

He is 6'1 and 120lbs but will grow into his height I am sure. He is currently playing high school shinny, but comes from a great hockey pedigree. His grandfather is neighbors with the guy who carried sticks for the guy who drove the zamboni at the rink that Gordie Howe's dog walker's sister's aunt used to drive by when she stopped at Timmies! This kid can't miss...may not look like it now, but in a few years he will be the best player to come out of the draft...in someone's fantasy world I'm sure...

A far better fit to Feaster's vision of the team...and noone will see it coming on draft day!

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#42 Kurt
April 07 2013, 09:28PM
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@ned

I tend to agree they should draft Seth Jones (if given the choice.. I'm sure he'll go #1). But your reasons are a bit backwards. You talk of immediate impact and quick turn around and all that. But Jones is a 10 year play. D men take time to mature. Even Drew Doughty (considered a generational talent) is still finding his game. He has been up and down, up and down. Pronger didn't become Pronger until 6-7 years into his career. Same with Shea Weber.

ANyways, my point is, I agree with drafting Jones, but only because I am also a proponent of a slow, methodical and calculated build up through drafting. So we'd have time to let Jones season for a few years before it even matters.

But those who are proponents of a quick spin by way of blowing crazy money to overpay UFAs and try to get back to the playoffs quick (see Feaster, Jay) then I'd expect one of the skilled forwards, who will make a quicker impact than any d man will logically make.

There are no examples of 18, 19, or even 20 year old d men who are elite superstars carrying their teams, so drafting Jones would be AT LEAST a 3 year play. At least. I'd say 5-6.

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#43 Kurt
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T&A4Flames wrote:

FLA wins tonight. We are officially in 2nd last place. Wish the draft was today.

Why today? In a few more days we will be solidly in 30th.

If Kent is reading these, I recall arguing in comments 2-3 weeks before the Iggy trade that the team would implode if that happened. Kent suggested it would have limited impact and Iggy would only contribute an additional 2-3 goals over the remaining games.

I don't want to say I told you so because the season isn't over. And I realize there are extenuating circumstances why we are falling so hard. But as I said back a few weeks ago, I believe the Iggy trade will be very similar to when Edmonton traded Ryan Smyth. They lost 20 games in a row after that (from the trade deadline of a FULL season). I see the same for us. Its just an emotional explosion and I'll be shocked if this team wins 1 more. It must be so toxic in the room, with guys like Tangs/Cammy feeling like they were deserted and left to rot.

Anyways. I'm happy, cause since the minute the lockout ended I have been dreaming of a 30th place finish and first overall pick. Finally this team will be moving in a new direction and I can't wait to buy my Nate McKinnon jersey the day after the draft.

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#44 Rockmorton65
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I think Feaster's done a pretty good job building the prospect pool. If you look at where it is now vs when the Jolly Rancher was in charge, it's going in the right direction. DSutz would throw in a prospect and a draft pick in any trade for the latest "aging star who will put us over the top". Seems to me Feaster is doing the exact opposite with this rebuild.

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#45 Dave
April 07 2013, 09:37PM
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I'd like to see them take MacKinnon.

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#46 Rockmorton65
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Shifting gears, does anyone else think we may not win another game this year?

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#47 FireOnIce
April 07 2013, 09:47PM
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I remember the last time Calgary took a 'stud defenceman' with their 1st rounder. Might know him, his name is Dion Phaneuf. Oh, he's great, has a huge shot + scores goals, big hits, physical. And look where he is now.

As others said, unless Seth Jones looks like the next coming of Chris Pronger or Nicklas Lidstrom, do not draft him first. Flames need a C, bad. Draft Mackinnon or Barkov. Trade everything else to take Jones (2 firsts + Gio, 2 firsts + Granlund, whatever it takes to move up). I hear the Florida Panthers could use anything you offer them.

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Shifting gears, does anyone else think we may not win another game this year?

While their schedule looks like absolute hell (in terms of team quality), I'd say they win one or two. It's not like the Flames were absolutely horrible against San Jose and Vancouver. It would also be great to see Reinhart and Baertschi given a chance in these games and maybe even pot a few goals.

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#49 Captain Ron
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This team needs a No 1 center in the worst way. If they have an opportunity to take one of MacInnon or Barkov and don't do it I just might lose my mind. This is about the only way to get a first line center. Teams that have them almost never give them up. Stud D on the other hand do tend to become available from time to time.Jones is for sure a future star and a stud on D and reaaaaaaally tempting but the only way they should be taking him is if they have one of those two centers first. A big future star center, and a star goaltender is a must have ingredient for a cup contending team.

The only other way they should take Jones first is if they have otherwise acquired a true no 1 center before they take that top 3 pick.

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#50 Rockmorton65
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I'd also like to see Kipper watching from the press box for the remainder of the season and have Taylor get the majority of the starts.

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