PLAYER PROFILE: SEAN MONAHAN

Jason Gregor
May 14 2013 12:34PM

Whoever drafts Sean Monahan will be getting a very driven, mature and intelligent young man. I spoke with the projected top-ten pick and I came away very impressed.

The Flames draft 6th while the Oilers pick 7th and both teams need help down the middle. Monahan could be the perfect fit for either franchise, and I suspect if he isn't taken in the top-five picks he won't make it past both Alberta teams.

Monahan and I talked about his drive to be a great two-way player, dominate on faceoffs and how being on a great Ottawa 67's team in 2012, and a brutal one in 2013 has helped his development.

Jason Gregor: Your point totals the past two seasons didn’t vary despite playing on vastly different teams. You were on a first place team last year and tallied 78 points, while  this year your team finished last yet you still managed 78 points. How were you able to remain consistent with your point totals despite your team success not being as good?

Sean Monahan: I think last year playing with Tyler Tofolli, Shane Prince and Dalton Smith, it was a good learning experience for me. I learned a lot especially on the offensive side from guys like Tofolli and Prince. This year was a little bit of a different season. I think I had to accept a different role, as a leader, so I tried to do that and being put in that role benefitted me and it allowed me to be the best that I could every game. It helped that the coach gave me a lot of opportunities. So that’s why I think that the numbers are similar. They could have been a little bit better, but I think that things happen for a reason.

JG: A lot of the scouts that I’ve talked to rave about your professionalism and being a mature young man. Listening to you speak, it sounds like you’re 25 but you’re only 18 years of age. Where does that maturity come from?

SM: I’m not sure. I think maybe just how I was raised; I always try to be the best person I can be. I like to learn and I think that I take things in a lot. I guess going through the learning experience I have through my sports careers, I think it’s kind of made me who I am today.

JG: You were named Captain in Ottawa this year. Talk about that experience and what you like most about being a captain?

SM: Being a leader, I think it’s a natural trait and it’s something that you have to take pride in. So I was very happy when I was named to share the duty with [Cody] Ceci before he was traded and then I took on the responsibility myself, but I think that it was good for me.

It was a challenging year for my team, and I was the guy in charge. I was there for two years before, so I knew what winning felt like. I obviously got to know what losing felt like this year, so I think that being a leader in that sort of situation it really helped my character and learned how to approach the team and how to approach games in different situations. I think that I tried to be the best leader that I could, both on and off of the ice.

JG: What did you learn about your personality playing on a losing team compared to being on a winning team?

SM: I just learned that even if you’re on a losing team, you can’t quit; there are always people watching you and you have to be the best player you can be all of the time. So if you’re losing by five goals in the third period you can’t call it quits, you’ve got to battle and I think that that’s when your character really comes out. You’ve got to push yourself. I think that that’s the biggest difference on a losing and on a winning team. You can’t toss the towel in ever on a losing team, or you’re going to embarrass yourself.

JG: How would you analyze your own game, what is your best quality on the ice right now?

SM: I think that my best quality is just how I can see the ice and set up plays, but I also take a lot of pride in my two-way game, and being responsible on both ends of the ice. I like setting up plays and I guess creating offense and slowing the game down and also faceoffs, I take a lot of pride in my faceoffs. I don’t like to lose many, so I think that it benefits me. And I think that benefits the amount of puck possession time for the team that I’m playing for.

JG: Have you talked to other guys like Ceci about what to expect in the combine and maybe how to ensure that you don’t put too much onus on it?

SM: I’ve talked to Ceci about it quite often, especially during the season, on what goes on during the draft year. But I also talked to Scott Lawton who was drafted to Philadelphia last year, he went through the same thing, and he’s one of my best friends. I’ve been working out basically since the season has been over. So I’ve been getting stronger and I guess put on some weight. I think that I’m doing a good job with that right now.

They’ve basically told me that at the combine you’ve got to be yourself and to talk to every team about how you’d play if you were playing for them. And the off ice testing, you just can’t give up. You’ve got to give everything you can because you’ve got to push yourself and they know that you want to be better than everyone else.

JG: How often have you done the VO2 test before?

SM: Yeah I’ve done that and I’ve done the wind gate before in the past few summers. So I’m pretty familiar with that. It’s a tough test, but I think that you’ve got to battle through it and I’m going to push myself to do a good job at it.

JG: Do you play any other sports?

SM: Growing up I used to play Lacrosse for over 13 years, but now it’s a bit more focused on hockey. In the summer I like to go out and play tennis with my buddies or the odd round of golf. I still toss around the old lacrosse ball because it was something that I was pretty passionate about, but nothing competitively other than of hockey.

JG: Did you find that lacrosse helped your eye hand coordination, and did it help you in any area of hockey?

SM: Yeah for sure. I think that it is good reaction timing and I think that you can handle the puck a lot better if you’re used to holding a lacrosse stick and catching a ball and throwing it around. I think that it benefits you. Even in lacrosse when you’re running around and you’re taking hits, you learn to roll off a check and I think that that also benefits you in hockey.

JG: Do you allow yourself to enjoy what you are going through right now? I know that during the season a lot of guys try to block it out, but now that the season is over and you’re working out, do you ever sit there and think that maybe Edmonton’s going to take me, maybe Calgary, maybe Tampa Bay, do you think about that?

SM: Yeah for sure, the season is over now, like you said, so it’s something to look forward to. I go in the gym every day and I want to push myself so I know that I’m probably going to have the opportunity to be drafted and I want to push myself to be ready to hopefully be able to make that jump to the next year.

JG: How have you become such a good two-way player?

SM: I’ve always played a similar type of game, since I was a young player. My dad always stressed it on me that you’ve got to be just as effective without the puck as you are with the puck. So I think just hard back checking and trying to be in a good position, that’s where it came from. It’s also just the fact that I hate to lose and I don’t want the guy that I’m supposed to be covering scoring or being responsible for a goal. I want to be the best that I can in all three zones and to do anything I can to help the team win.

JG: I know that you’ve played in camps with [Nathan] MacKinnon and [Jonathan] Drouin, give me your thoughts on those two guys and what’s their best attributes as players?

SM: I skated with Drouin throughout the summer last year and got to meet him, he’s a good player, he’s smart and he’s creative. You never know what he’s going to do, and I think that has really benefited him. He’s a really skilled player and he’s fun to watch.

MacKinnon I’ve seen him a few times now, and got to skate with him at camps and stuff, but you can obviously tell that he’s really fast and I think that he uses that to his advantage.

JG: As a two- way guy, do you have a different approach in how you attack/defend different skilled guys that you’ve been up against? Or does your two-way game not change, regardless of who you are playing against?

SM: Ever since my second year in the OHL I’ve been playing against the other team’s top line so I think that I try to play the same game in and game out and compete. Just try to be better than the line I’m playing against and outwork the centreman that I’m playing against.

I think that there are guys obviously in the OHL that are stronger players than others and those games are usually a good battle especially at the faceoff dot and throughout the game. Guys like Boone Jenner and Mike Schiefele they’re always a good battle to play against.

JG: Who did you get up to play the most?

SM: I think Scheifele. Last year we played Barrie in the playoffs and it went to game seven, and we played a lot of minutes in that series. I think that I was out there every time that he touched the ice and he was out there every time I touched the ice. I enjoyed playing against him and it was easy to get up for those games and be really excited to play.

JG: You say that you take pride in your faceoffs, what do you work on to improve those skills?

SM: Like you said earlier, I think playing lacrosse has helped. It helps my coordination when the puck drops, and you know what you’re going to do, where your stick is going to go, and it helps with timing as the puck is falling. In the offseason, I always try to get my wrists, my hands and my forearms stronger. I think that in the faceoff dot that sometimes it just comes down to your willingness to compete. You can’t give up when the puck’s dropped. You’ve got to hit sticks, you’ve got to battle and you’ve got to get to the pucks. I try to win every faceoff, and I never give up on a faceoff.

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I don't see how both the Flames and the Oilers could pass on Monahan. He won't be a flashy centre, but he's the type of player that will help you win games. Both the Flames and Oilers desperately need a centre like him, and at 6'2", 195 pounds already, he will likely be 205 or 210 pounds when he's a mature NHL player.

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#51 DSF
May 14 2013, 03:35PM
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CaptainLander wrote:

Jankowski.ha

Mitch Moroz.

Haha

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#52 Kurt
May 14 2013, 03:41PM
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T&A4Flames wrote:

Hey mr brilliant, the blog was posted on both sites. So, I'm not on Oilersnation trolling.

Re: "anyone posting here will forever be allowed and will forever be encouraged to make fun of Feaster for drafting Jankowski so high", does that mean it continues if (and I reiterate "if") Janko does become a top centerman? That would make you look even more foolish.

And for the record I don't support everyting Feaster has done, not at all. But uneduacated, regurgitated bad jokes just make people look dumb. At least I had an actual debatable comment.

By the way, how is your teams draft and trade record outside of the 1st overalls? How has that Pronger trade worked out for ya'?

I agree with the feedback on the comment. But as I'm sure many Coilers will point out shortly, the Pronger trade got them Eberle. Hmmm, not so bad.

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#53 Will
May 14 2013, 03:41PM
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T&A4Flames wrote:

Hey mr brilliant, the blog was posted on both sites. So, I'm not on Oilersnation trolling.

Re: "anyone posting here will forever be allowed and will forever be encouraged to make fun of Feaster for drafting Jankowski so high", does that mean it continues if (and I reiterate "if") Janko does become a top centerman? That would make you look even more foolish.

And for the record I don't support everyting Feaster has done, not at all. But uneduacated, regurgitated bad jokes just make people look dumb. At least I had an actual debatable comment.

By the way, how is your teams draft and trade record outside of the 1st overalls? How has that Pronger trade worked out for ya'?

Point taken about this being posted on both sites, as for how our management is doing, right in my post I said Oiler fans are the most critical of their management out of anybody. We criticize our own management worse than any other fan, which is why we have the right to laugh at other teams' managers and their bone headed moves.

Reiterating a blunder does not make people look nearly as dumb as someone trying to defend a management team for a dumb move. These guys get paid millions and should know better then to draft a guy like that so high, and should definately know the rules concerning offer sheets and waivers.

If Janko becomes a top centerman, yes, of course everyone who ever said your manager was stupid will obviously have to eat their words. I still think he could have taken another asset at that pick and found Jankowski way way way down the board. The thing is no one, and I mean no one outside of the scout who 'drove through a snow storm to see some kid play in a highschool league and then told Feaster he'd be the future', thinks Jankowski will make it anywhere in the NHL.

As for our draft picks outside the first round, why is that even a focus, Jankowski was a first round selection so why don't we compare the picks that really matter, first round selections. Which many of of us have done at length here on ON. The one thing we can all agree on, is our first round selections in the last decade have been way better then Calgary (though again they have selected some great players but didn't stick with them which is even funnier).

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#54 Kurt
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Mitch Moroz.

Haha

who the hell is Mitch Moroz?

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#55 Baalzamon
May 14 2013, 03:44PM
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@Will

"...don't come here and tell us not to correctly make fun of your GM for taking someone he could have got in the last round."

not to split hairs, but even the most pessimistic rankings had Jankowski in the early 2nd round.

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#56 piscera.infada
May 14 2013, 03:45PM
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@Will

He did get another asset by moving down to select Djanko Unchained though - a second round pick that turned into Pat Sieloff.

Again, not saying I love the Jankowski pick, but the mediocrity of that draft makes a reach a little more palatable.

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#57 T&A4Flames
May 14 2013, 03:49PM
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@Kurt

Yep, fair enough. We have yet to see what the Jbo and Iggy trades will bring.

Que the "some high school kid" jokes......

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#58 T&A4Flames
May 14 2013, 04:07PM
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@Will

Draft picks of last decade. It's hard to argue against our terrible record. Bu, uh, I wouldn't bend my arm too much patting yourself on the back. Riley Nash, Alex Plante and your 2nd rnd's are atrocious. Don't argue with ours, pre Feaster, we had none.

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#59 T&A4Flames
May 14 2013, 04:11PM
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@Will

"...trying to defend a management team for a dumb move. These guys get paid millions and should know better then to draft a guy like that so high..."

Way too early to judge on if it was a brilliant move or a boneheaded move. Talk to me in 5 years.

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#60 Sincity1976
May 14 2013, 04:25PM
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And followed it up by making an offer sheet in which he would have given up numerous high draft picks for absolutely nothing in return. He's obviously the odds-on favorite to screw up a top ten pick.

What does that have to do with anything in context of this conversation?

I am not supporting all things Feaster. I am saying he will pick one of Monahan, Linholm, Barkov, or Nischuskin with the #6 pick and that him going off the board with a mid round first in a weak draft doesn't mean he is going to go off the board with that number 6.

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#61 T&A4Flames
May 14 2013, 04:35PM
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Anyway. Gregor, good article. I hope you have more of these coming up as I'm sure both AB teams would appreciate insight into these prospects. Even though you're a homer, I like your radio show on 1260.

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#62 Quicksilver ballet
May 14 2013, 04:45PM
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It's been a while since Oilersnation has thrown some chum in the waters during the off season. Shea Weber Gagner, larger nets......how about a Hemsky article to whip the masses into a fenzy?

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#63 geno
May 14 2013, 04:54PM
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sounds awesome, but I guarantee Calgary takes him

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#64 geno
May 14 2013, 05:01PM
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T&A4Flames wrote:

2 things. Those of you that come on here and think it is still funny to say that Feaster, with the 6th overall will likely pick some African high school kid or similar should stop. The joke is so old and all you do is make yourself look unoriginal and, quite frankly, dumb. Seriously, the guy went off the board once. His record drafting with CGY, although too early to see full results is pretty good.

2011

Baertschi- finished junior career with 2 points per game

Granlund- Best offensive player in WJC

Wotherspoon- Best, certainly most consistent and steady defenseman for Canada at WJC

Gaudreau- Finalist for Hobey Baker award as best NCAA player in 2nd yr and named to WJC all world team as top goal scorer in tournament.

Broissoit- Anyone that knows hockey, especially in EDM should know he is one of the best, if not the best, goalie in the WHL, maybe CHL

2012

Jankowski- Slow start but as the youngest player drafted in the draft had a good season and in a "redo" of the 2012 draft by THN he was ranked 25th- moved up about 15 spots

Sielof- USA WJC as a solid shut down Dman

Gillies- Best rookie goalie in the NCAA by far with several accolades

Kulak, Culkin, Gordan & Deblouw all with good draft +1 seasons

2nd thing, you guys really need to get over your infatuation with draft picks. After 3 1st overalls, the best and smartest thing your team can do is use the 7th overall as trade bait to better your current team. You can't keep moving 17 and 18 yr olds directly to the big team and expect results. Draft some good projects in the later rounds to keep your youth strong but get some real, proven NHL talent to surround your current kids with.

this is comical. Wotherspoon was the worst of team canada's defence behind Murphy.

Gaudreau and Baertschi are great players, but don't see Gaudreau making it because of his tiny 5'6 frame.

If you went to see any live games or even watched any games on TV, you'd know Brossoit is terrible. His SV% is impressive because of the defence he plays behind, Musil, Gernat, Lowe, Reinhart. Look at Tristan Jarry's SV%. Inflated just like Brossoit's. Gillies is a real prospect, but Brossoit is going nowhere and is by far not the best goalie in the CHL. See: Subban, Binnington, Driedger, Gibson, Sparks, Stolarz.

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#65 RexLibris
May 14 2013, 05:31PM
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@SmellOfVictory

Let's be fair here though and recognize that during that time the Flames were finishing higher than the Oilers almost every year, so you can't crow about success in the standings and then complain about inferior draft position. Its one or the other.

Overall, between 1996 and 2006 Calgary had a slightly below league-average drafting success (in the range of 16%, I believe), while Edmonton was a half percentage point lower. Not much difference between the two clubs, both have made a lot of mistakes at the podium.

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#66 Baalzamon
May 14 2013, 05:41PM
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@geno

"this is comical. Wotherspoon was the worst of team canada's defence behind Murphy."

according to... uh... pretty much just you. Wotherspoon was getting top PK minutes with Harrington, and by the end of the tournament was playing (occasionally) on the top pair at even strength too (also with Harrington, as it happens). Any rational person will concede, though, that Wotherspoon's ranking on that team was almost entirely due to a disappointing performance from Hamilton. Myself, I'll freely admit that Wotherspoon fell within the grey area (including Rielly, and Ouellet) that fell between Harrington (very good) and Hamilton (underwhelming) in performance. But Canada's worst dman next to Murphy was unquestionably Griffin Reinhart. He was McNeill on defence.

the rest of your post was entirely reasonable, though, much as it hurts to admit it. I can't really make a judgement on Brossoit (I'm terrible at judging goalies, just like pretty much everyone else), so you may well be right about him.

As for Gaudreau... well, being a little guy myself (and a Flames fan) I carry a rather obvious bias.

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#67 clYDE
May 14 2013, 06:08PM
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geno wrote:

this is comical. Wotherspoon was the worst of team canada's defence behind Murphy.

Gaudreau and Baertschi are great players, but don't see Gaudreau making it because of his tiny 5'6 frame.

If you went to see any live games or even watched any games on TV, you'd know Brossoit is terrible. His SV% is impressive because of the defence he plays behind, Musil, Gernat, Lowe, Reinhart. Look at Tristan Jarry's SV%. Inflated just like Brossoit's. Gillies is a real prospect, but Brossoit is going nowhere and is by far not the best goalie in the CHL. See: Subban, Binnington, Driedger, Gibson, Sparks, Stolarz.

Wotherspoon was excellent at the World Juniors and will be a very good shut down defenseman. if you watched the games and understand the type of game he is asked to bring, you would recognize that. Gaudreau played with less fire power than the Nuge at the championships yet his tiny frame sure outperformed Nuge and his Marathon runner's build. Brossoit is not terrible. He may not be as good as the stats suggest but certainly not terrible. Gernat is a nightmare in his zone and Reinhart was not great this year to be honest.

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#68 etownman
May 14 2013, 07:38PM
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Wow, I say the Flames draft Domi because Feaster has a fetish for short hockey players! MacT will trade the Oiler pick as part of a 'wow' move, just who or what that will involve I have absolutely no idea!

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#69 Franko J
May 14 2013, 07:47PM
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Great Article. I like the fact that Monahan played on a team which was having struggles and he still managed to play at a high level. Whichever team selects him he will contribute to their success.

At the sixth pick it is imperative to nail this pick for the future for the Flames. Whether it is Monahan, Lindholm, Nurse, or Nichuskin the Flames will have to make sure the player they select will be instrumental to the future of this franchise.

With further examination the teams who are left in the western conference have some size with skill. The Flames have some holes to fill and the most glaring need is at center. When is the last time Calgary had a center who can control the play?

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#70 geno
May 14 2013, 07:57PM
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Baalzamon wrote:

"this is comical. Wotherspoon was the worst of team canada's defence behind Murphy."

according to... uh... pretty much just you. Wotherspoon was getting top PK minutes with Harrington, and by the end of the tournament was playing (occasionally) on the top pair at even strength too (also with Harrington, as it happens). Any rational person will concede, though, that Wotherspoon's ranking on that team was almost entirely due to a disappointing performance from Hamilton. Myself, I'll freely admit that Wotherspoon fell within the grey area (including Rielly, and Ouellet) that fell between Harrington (very good) and Hamilton (underwhelming) in performance. But Canada's worst dman next to Murphy was unquestionably Griffin Reinhart. He was McNeill on defence.

the rest of your post was entirely reasonable, though, much as it hurts to admit it. I can't really make a judgement on Brossoit (I'm terrible at judging goalies, just like pretty much everyone else), so you may well be right about him.

As for Gaudreau... well, being a little guy myself (and a Flames fan) I carry a rather obvious bias.

Personally, I thought Ouellet and Harrington were the best D men for Canada at the tournament. Hamilton was underwhelming but did outperform Wotherspoon. I'm not a big fan of Reinhart at all.

Gaudreau is a stud in college, but whether that can carry over with his size is the question

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#71 geno
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Wotherspoon was excellent at the World Juniors and will be a very good shut down defenseman. if you watched the games and understand the type of game he is asked to bring, you would recognize that. Gaudreau played with less fire power than the Nuge at the championships yet his tiny frame sure outperformed Nuge and his Marathon runner's build. Brossoit is not terrible. He may not be as good as the stats suggest but certainly not terrible. Gernat is a nightmare in his zone and Reinhart was not great this year to be honest.

I have no doubt Wotherspoon can become an NHL D man some day, but he wasn't the best D man for CAN at the worlds. Harrington, Ouellet and Hamilton played better IMO.

Yes, Gernat can make some terrible decisions in his own end, but he can be paired up with Musil in OKC :D. I'm actually really worried that Musil can't make the pros because of his speed. I watched most of the HItmen-oil king and winter hawk-oil king series' and Musil cannot skate for crap. Lowe had to make up for it and it resulted in some goals against.

Brossoit's a good prospect but there's no doubt in my mind that he won't make the NHL. He'll be tyler bunz 2.0. Gillies on the other hand has a good shot.

It's weird that Gaudreau outperformed RNH at the worlds. I could have sworn Nuge had 15P in 6 games to Gaudreau's 9 in 7. But I'll take your word for it ;) Also there's a small difference between being 6'.5 170 and 5'8 150. Not noticeable though

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#72 stretch14
May 14 2013, 08:10PM
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clYDE wrote:

Wotherspoon was excellent at the World Juniors and will be a very good shut down defenseman. if you watched the games and understand the type of game he is asked to bring, you would recognize that. Gaudreau played with less fire power than the Nuge at the championships yet his tiny frame sure outperformed Nuge and his Marathon runner's build. Brossoit is not terrible. He may not be as good as the stats suggest but certainly not terrible. Gernat is a nightmare in his zone and Reinhart was not great this year to be honest.

Funny was it RNH that led the tournament in scoring and +/- or was that Goodreau? I can't seem to remember

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#73 clYDE
May 14 2013, 08:19PM
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geno wrote:

I have no doubt Wotherspoon can become an NHL D man some day, but he wasn't the best D man for CAN at the worlds. Harrington, Ouellet and Hamilton played better IMO.

Yes, Gernat can make some terrible decisions in his own end, but he can be paired up with Musil in OKC :D. I'm actually really worried that Musil can't make the pros because of his speed. I watched most of the HItmen-oil king and winter hawk-oil king series' and Musil cannot skate for crap. Lowe had to make up for it and it resulted in some goals against.

Brossoit's a good prospect but there's no doubt in my mind that he won't make the NHL. He'll be tyler bunz 2.0. Gillies on the other hand has a good shot.

It's weird that Gaudreau outperformed RNH at the worlds. I could have sworn Nuge had 15P in 6 games to Gaudreau's 9 in 7. But I'll take your word for it ;) Also there's a small difference between being 6'.5 170 and 5'8 150. Not noticeable though

Gernat may develop over time. I didn't say Brossoit would make it but he isn't terrible. Now to the World Junior. When it mattered. USA 5 CANADA 1 Gaudreau - player of the game with 2 goals and 1 assist Nuge- played long shifts including one of over 2 minutes. Other than that his 0 goals and 0 assists kind have told the story. Gaudreau led the USA to gold. Nuge led his stacked team to nothing.

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#74 voom04
May 14 2013, 08:30PM
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I agree to disagree, i dont like him never did and dont like them that do

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#75 stretch14
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@SmellOfVictory

"I honestly don't think that's better than the Flames (Backlund, Baertschi, Phaneuf, Erixon; I won't bring in Jankowski since we don't know what he's going to do yet)."

You're kidding yourself here:

2001- Hemsky>Kobasew

2002- Nystrom>Niinimaki (not saying much there)

2003- Phaneuf (eventually traded away for a bag pucks)>Pouliot

2004- Dubnyk>Chucko (LOL)

2005- Cogliano>Pelech (Who?)

2006- Petry>Irving (Even though Petry was our 2nd rounder)

2007- Gagner>Backlund

2008- Eberle>Nemisz

2009- Pajaarvi>Erixon

So basically we've outdrafted the piss outta you the past decade and the one time you managed to get a decent player you traded him away for spare parts.

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#76 clYDE
May 14 2013, 08:59PM
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Kurt wrote:

Are people seriously debating if Nugent Hopkins is better than a guy in the NCAA? I have high hopes for JohnnyG too, but common.... You can't be serious.

Welcome to the conversation Kurt. Hope you can add some great insight other than just being judgmental and critical. Pretty easy to sit there and criticize. At the World Junior, when it counted, Gaudreau came through and Nuge didn't. That is a fact.

I scouted Nuge when he was 14. Beyond his obvious skill and amazing hockey IQ, I was very impressed with his compete level. When he was 15, he could have played in the WHL and helped. When I heard the added obstacles he had to overcome, I couldn't help but be a fan. Despite being a Flame/Pen fan I am still a fan of his. Too bad he is an Oiler.

Will Gaudreau be better? Probably not. I think Nuge is a future number 1 center if he stays healthy and is developed properly. Wish he wasn't an Oiler.

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#77 clYDE
May 14 2013, 09:01PM
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"I honestly don't think that's better than the Flames (Backlund, Baertschi, Phaneuf, Erixon; I won't bring in Jankowski since we don't know what he's going to do yet)."

You're kidding yourself here:

2001- Hemsky>Kobasew

2002- Nystrom>Niinimaki (not saying much there)

2003- Phaneuf (eventually traded away for a bag pucks)>Pouliot

2004- Dubnyk>Chucko (LOL)

2005- Cogliano>Pelech (Who?)

2006- Petry>Irving (Even though Petry was our 2nd rounder)

2007- Gagner>Backlund

2008- Eberle>Nemisz

2009- Pajaarvi>Erixon

So basically we've outdrafted the piss outta you the past decade and the one time you managed to get a decent player you traded him away for spare parts.

Unfortunately you are right about most. But, Backlund is now starting to develop and will far out perform Gagner.

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#78 NewAgeSys
May 14 2013, 09:08PM
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Make it happen,this guy is exactly what we need,his lacrosse background is why his faceoffs are so good,take him he is going to be a faceoff specialist which is just what we need.

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#79 stretch14
May 14 2013, 09:10PM
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@clYDE

Well it's about time he started to. Really that's just your opinion and if this season's stats are any indication it certainly won't be fact.

Gagner: 14G, 24A, 38PTS in 48GP

Backlund: 8G, 8A, 16PTS in 32 GP

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#80 clYDE
May 14 2013, 09:12PM
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stretch14 wrote:

Well it's about time he started to. Really that's just your opinion and if this season's stats are any indication it certainly won't be fact.

Gagner: 14G, 24A, 38PTS in 48GP

Backlund: 8G, 8A, 16PTS in 32 GP

Stretch, Everything on here is just opinion. I may be wrong. Hope not.

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#81 Sincity1976
May 14 2013, 09:20PM
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@stretch14

2001: 13 vs 14 (EDM W)

2002: 15 vs 10 (CGY W)

2003: 22 vs 9 (CGY W)

2004: 14 vs 24 (EDM W)

2005: 25 vs 26 (EDM W)

2006: 45 vs 26 (EDM W)

2007: 6 vs 24 (EDM W)

2008: 22 vs 25 (EDM W)

2009: 10 vs 23 (CGY W) (Doesn't matter he refused to sign, CGY still drafted better).

You Edmonton people keep failing to use context. In every case but two the team drafting higher got the better player. We split on the two exceptions.

But it is kinda like the two fat kids arguing about who is the better MMA fighter. Kinda pathetic really.

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#82 KetchupKid
May 14 2013, 09:24PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Why are we even talking about the flames? This is Oilersnation.

I f*****g love it when people make these turf complaints on cross-nation threads. It's been Shelbyville every single time too I think. More please-- I will reward you with props.

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#83 SmellOfVictory
May 14 2013, 09:28PM
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stretch14 wrote:

"I honestly don't think that's better than the Flames (Backlund, Baertschi, Phaneuf, Erixon; I won't bring in Jankowski since we don't know what he's going to do yet)."

You're kidding yourself here:

2001- Hemsky>Kobasew

2002- Nystrom>Niinimaki (not saying much there)

2003- Phaneuf (eventually traded away for a bag pucks)>Pouliot

2004- Dubnyk>Chucko (LOL)

2005- Cogliano>Pelech (Who?)

2006- Petry>Irving (Even though Petry was our 2nd rounder)

2007- Gagner>Backlund

2008- Eberle>Nemisz

2009- Pajaarvi>Erixon

So basically we've outdrafted the piss outta you the past decade and the one time you managed to get a decent player you traded him away for spare parts.

Gagner is not a good player. He gets points because he plays with good players; Backlund is, and will be, the better of the two players by a wide margin barring injury. And basing drafting status of the 09 draft on "refused to sign" is silly. Erixon is the better player, and you know it.

The Oil haven't "outdrafted the piss" out of the Flames; they've done roughly as well, given where their picks have landed.

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#84 piscera.infada
May 14 2013, 09:31PM
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Sean Bennett wrote:

Haha!!!Hey, Infada, I would appreciate a footnote crediting the original author of that moniker.

Lol, just kidding.

Hahaha My bad man. Many, many props.

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#85 bill
May 14 2013, 09:34PM
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Hey guys leave the Oiler fans alone, it's not their fault they have to come troll on our page since their page is lame.

City of memories and excuses, don't you have to focus on year 8 of your 5 year plan?

Explain to me how you guys lost to The Heat errr I mean Flames in a MUST WIN GAME on home ice? We had no Iggy, Tanguay,Kipper,or Jay Bo in that game but yet we still won.

Oh how is Eberle doing at the Worlds? No goals?

Keep on rebuilding Crapmonton, because in Calgary we are retoolin.

Man these clowns are worse than Todd Van fan guy. What happened to him?

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#86 geno
May 14 2013, 09:41PM
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SmellOfVictory wrote:

Gagner is not a good player. He gets points because he plays with good players; Backlund is, and will be, the better of the two players by a wide margin barring injury. And basing drafting status of the 09 draft on "refused to sign" is silly. Erixon is the better player, and you know it.

The Oil haven't "outdrafted the piss" out of the Flames; they've done roughly as well, given where their picks have landed.

ahahahahahahahahah. Look, you won't find someone that doubts Gagner's abilities more than me, but that is ridiculous homerism, suggesting backlund'll be better. I agree Gagner is not good, but Backlund's a 3C at best

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#87 geno
May 14 2013, 09:46PM
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bill wrote:

Hey guys leave the Oiler fans alone, it's not their fault they have to come troll on our page since their page is lame.

City of memories and excuses, don't you have to focus on year 8 of your 5 year plan?

Explain to me how you guys lost to The Heat errr I mean Flames in a MUST WIN GAME on home ice? We had no Iggy, Tanguay,Kipper,or Jay Bo in that game but yet we still won.

Oh how is Eberle doing at the Worlds? No goals?

Keep on rebuilding Crapmonton, because in Calgary we are retoolin.

Man these clowns are worse than Todd Van fan guy. What happened to him?

I can't tell if this is an actual flames fan or an oilers fan being sarcastic.

Can't be a flames fan, they're all probably voting for their elite talent, Lee Stempniak for NHL14 cover vote.

Don't disregard the combined 12-3 score over 2 wins including an 8-2 shillacking on home ice.

I'm sorry but I can't take flames fans seriously. There's literally nothing to look forward to for the flames. I live in Calgary, the children growing up here won't cheer for the flames in their old age because it's too embarrassing to cheer for them now.

Don't even try to attack Eberle. Better than any player CGY has had in 3 years and better than any player CGY will have in 3 years. Joke organization, joke management. Good night everybody! *walks out to applause*

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#88 Sincity1976
May 14 2013, 09:46PM
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Stretch also fails to note that the Oiler's had 3 first rounders in 2007 and two in 2004. He conveniently fails to point out that every one of those picks failed.

Both teams have been crap at drafting. Both teams have failed to find success in the later rounds. Both have had a high rate of busts in the first round.

I think "I suck less then you" arguments are a bit sad. But whatever.

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#89 geno
May 14 2013, 09:48PM
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clYDE wrote:

Gernat may develop over time. I didn't say Brossoit would make it but he isn't terrible. Now to the World Junior. When it mattered. USA 5 CANADA 1 Gaudreau - player of the game with 2 goals and 1 assist Nuge- played long shifts including one of over 2 minutes. Other than that his 0 goals and 0 assists kind have told the story. Gaudreau led the USA to gold. Nuge led his stacked team to nothing.

ahoo aha ahahahaha. I hear if you lead the tournament in points, you "don't show up". This is like a leafs fan explaining how they deserved to win the series. "Well, all the stats were against us, but by my eye our players showed up"

Aye aye aye. Can't tell if you're trolling or are actually this slow

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#90 geno
May 14 2013, 09:50PM
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Sincity1976 wrote:

Stretch also fails to note that the Oiler's had 3 first rounders in 2007 and two in 2004. He conveniently fails to point out that every one of those picks failed.

Both teams have been crap at drafting. Both teams have failed to find success in the later rounds. Both have had a high rate of busts in the first round.

I think "I suck less then you" arguments are a bit sad. But whatever.

Dubey failed. He'll never amount to anything. 12th in SV%. EDM should deal him for Irving or Macdonald. Gagner's trash. On pace for 65 in a full season. Deal him for Paul Byron or Ban Hanowski.

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#91 SmellOfVictory
May 14 2013, 09:53PM
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geno wrote:

ahahahahahahahahah. Look, you won't find someone that doubts Gagner's abilities more than me, but that is ridiculous homerism, suggesting backlund'll be better. I agree Gagner is not good, but Backlund's a 3C at best

Raise your hand if you've watched Backlund play more than a couple of times. Or if you understand advanced stats. I realize a lot of Oilnation fans (for some weird reason) hate advanced stats, but they're a thing.

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#92 dotfras
May 14 2013, 09:57PM
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Monahan will be a solid consolation if Barkov & Lindholm both miraculously get picked ahead of the Flames.

Then the Oilers can draft a russian that won't play defense (or at all) for them.

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#93 clYDE
May 14 2013, 10:03PM
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geno wrote:

ahoo aha ahahahaha. I hear if you lead the tournament in points, you "don't show up". This is like a leafs fan explaining how they deserved to win the series. "Well, all the stats were against us, but by my eye our players showed up"

Aye aye aye. Can't tell if you're trolling or are actually this slow

Geno, you are calling me slow on this one? Let me try again. Gaudreau has a gold. Nuge has a participation ribbon. In the game between the 2 teams, the one that decided who got to play for that gold. Gaudreau was the PLAYER OF THE GAME!. His team won. He got 3 points. Nuge didn't get a point. His team lost. In the game that mattered, it appears that Gaudreau came through and Nuge didn't. But, if you are all about winning that scoring title despite how the team does, you got me. Well played.

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#94 chillout
May 14 2013, 10:03PM
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do you always clap yourself out of a room? haha oh man you silly little oiler fan. Not sure if you remember a player named lemieux...mario that is. Well playing with him would make any old plug look like a superstar. Not saying that gagme is a plug but he is playing with some seriously offensively gifted players. I would take backlund over gagme any day of the week and you oilers would be head over heels for backlund if he played on your team.

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#95 piscera.infada
May 14 2013, 10:12PM
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Although I feel like I'm beating a dead horse with this...

The only way Monahan makes it to Edmonton (bad drafting aside - rabble, rabble), is if either Lindholm or Barkov is there at 6.

I think it's pretty straight forward.

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#96 Franko J
May 14 2013, 11:10PM
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After hearing from Tod Button on the radio today it sounds like the Flames scouting staff is 90 % certain on their draft list. Mr. Button did suggest that outside the first round there are a number of players who will be solid contributors down the line in the NHL. Looking at the draft their seems to be a number of players who already have "NHL size". Besides the "top 4" the second tier of players from 5 to 30 have the ability to be impact players. Who the Flames or Oilers choose with their respective picks hinges on Carolina. Carolina is the wild card. IMO who they choose at 5 will have a domino effect on the rest of the first round.

While it will never happen but after the draft it would be interesting to take a peak at the draft lists of each team.

I don't know if it is possible but I was wondering at the NATIONS NETWORK if there was the idea of having a draft pool? Or a contest on a Mock Draft.

At 6 Monahan or Lindholm are probably considered the safe choice. While Nichuskin or Nurse is the high risk / high reward pick. I say Calgary will err on the safe side.

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#97 T&A4Flames
May 14 2013, 11:36PM
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The difference, Gaudreau was a 4th round pick. RNH was a 1st overall. So why are we comparing them other than the WJC.

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#98 T&A4Flames
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RexLibris wrote:

So, putting this conversation (if we can still call it that) back on the rails...

Monahan is a player that both Alberta teams could use. For the Flames he would probably be the starting point around which the team could be built (with all due respect to Baertschi, Backlund and Brodie).

For the Oilers, he would probably be that final piece at forward to round out a stellar top six with one defensive piece missing amongst the many blueline prospects developing.

The question becomes, do Feaster and Weisbrod have a chance to draft him and if so, do they? If not, is he even available to the Oilers at #7 or would they have to trade up to get him?

Not sure, either way, I can't remember a draft that held this much interest, and animosity, for the Oilers and Flames since the Lombardi/Stoll draft episode.

Oh, and because I'm contractually obligated to...Flames are terrible, Baertschi is a bust, Gernat is a beast, Gagner rocks, so on and so forth ad absurdum... (that's sarcasm)

Thanks captain library. Just because you use the hero name, Rex, doesn't mean you are one.

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Likely, if Barkov is there it's because someone valued Monahan more than the Fin.

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#100 T&A4Flames
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It was pretty obvious I was comparing the Oilers and flames own 1st rounders and not comparing picks they may have acquired. Not that the flames acquired any extra picks during that period since they were usually throwing them away on guys like Jokinen.

As Rex stated: "you can't crow about success in the standings and then complain about inferior draft position. Its one or the other."

For me it's not a "we suck less than you argument". It's a "we actually did pretty decent and you guys suck balls" argument.

We managed to get 7 roster players during that period while all you guys have to show for that time frame is Backlund.

@SmellOfVictory

Yes, I have watched Backlund play a dozen or so games outside of the BOA's (which the Oilers have won 4 of the last 6 FYI) and I do understand advanced stats. "Oooooh wow, he has great possession numbers". Great, let him possess the puck all he wants, I'll take the guy who puts up points.

Any of you out there trying to argue Backlund over Gagner need to take your head out of the sand. Gagner is a good player, holler at me when Backlund has an 8 point game and we can talk.

Wow. Those were all terrible arguments. Do I need to bring up the Flames record over the Oil in the last 3 years? 5 years? Decade? Hell, lifetime?

Just because you have 7 drafted roster players on your team doesn't mean they're good. Hence your record of perpetual suck!

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