Compliance Buyout Candidates: Western Conference

Justin Azevedo
May 31 2013 02:48PM

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This season's NHL lockout resulted in a few interesting wrinkles when it comes to cap compliance - one of those is the compliance buyout. Every team (except NYR and MTL, who have both used one buyout) has two compliance buyouts they can use during the buyout periods over the next two summers. This year, I've identified a few players in each conference who might be subject to such buyout parameters. These buyouts don't count against the salary cap, unlike regular buyouts. 

Anaheim Ducks

Bryan Allen - $3.5 million cap hit through 2014-2015 Season

Allen was awful this season - both by the counting numbers (6 assists, 0 goals in 41 GP) and the advanced stats (even ZS%, -10 Relative Corsi and -9.66 Corsi On while playing crap competition). Compound that with the fact that the Ducks, as currently constructed - i.e., without contracts for Saku Koivu, Teemu Selanne, Toni Lydman and Kyle Palmieri - have about 930k in cap space. Jonas Hiller may move, which would create some room, but $3.5 million for a bottom-pairing defenseman is too much.

Calgary Flames

Alex Tanguay - $3.5 million cap hit through 2015-2016 Season

It's unlikely that Tanguay is bought out as his point production and average cost do make him tradable. However, the term on that contract is ugly for a guy who has noticeably slowed in the past few years. He's still a top-6 forward on the counting numbers side of things, though.

Chicago Blackhawks

Rostislav Olesz - $3.125 million cap hit through 2013-2014 Season

Marcus Kruger, Nick Leddy and Drew Leblanc need new contracts. Olesz hasn't been able to stick at the NHL level with the Blackhawks. Pretty clear-cut, in my opinion.

Steve Montador - $2.75 million cap hit through 2014-2015 Season

The Blackhawks have lots of depth at defense, so paying $2.75 million to a guy so he can be your seventh or eighth man on the depth chart just doesn't make sense to me. It appears as though the Blackhawks agree, as Montador spent the balance of this season with their AHL club. There's also the contract issue and cap crunch explained up above.

Colorado Avalanche

David Jones - $4 million cap hit through 2015-2016 Season

Highly unlikely simply because of the financial situation of a team who just gave their new coach a non-guaranteed contract, but this is one of those deals that never should've been signed. Jones scored 9 points in 33 games last year, or, about .2PPG worse than Roman Cervenka this season. He's never had a positive Corsi On, even with a season where he started 55% of his shifts in the offensive zone.

Columbus Blue Jackets

James Wisnewski - $5.5 million cap hit through 2016-2017 Season

Wisnewski produced fine scoring-wise this year, but his results were likely helped by the soft minutes he played. For a team with Ryan Murray, Jack Johnson, Fedor Tyutin, Nikita Nikitin, Tim Erixon and Dalton Prout already under contract for next year Wisnewski might have a hard time justifying his price tag, as he'll likely be the 4th or 5th defenseman on the depth chart.

RJ Umberger - $4.6 million cap hit through 2016-2017 Season

Umberger was used mainly in a shut-down role this season, facing the hardest competition among Blue Jacket forwards while dealing with a 47% ZS. However, that is an ugly cap hit for someone who only scored 18 points in 48 games this season. Considering that this was the first year of his contract, new GM Jarmo Kekkalainen may be able to brush the contract off as a mistake by his predecessor.

Edmonton Oilers

Shawn Horcoff - $5.5 million cap hit through 2014-2015 Season

The leader up north has long been lambasted (quite unfairly) for signing the huge contract he did after visiting a Mexican stick factory. However, Horcoff is still the 3rd best centre on the roster and the Oilers need all the help they can get. If the Oilers somehow get into cap trouble over the summer, though, that's a nice number to be rid of.

Eric Belanger - $1.75 million cap hit through 2013-2014 Season

Belanger just has the one year remaining on his contract, but he is still playing with the big club and can skate a regular shift. This buyout would be more of a "we need an open spot for centerman x" type of thing.

Ben Eager - $1 million cap hit through 2013-2014 Season

Played a large chunk of the season with the Oilers' farm team this year and the Oilers already have Mike Brown to be useless and punch people. Eager might find his way back to Edmonton, but it's probably in the best interest of the team to give him his cash and say see-ya.

Minnesota Wild

Dany Heatley - $7.5 million cap hit through 2013-2014 Season

He's just not worth $7.5 million per season anymore, and the Wild have the new contracts of Justin Falk, Jared Spurgeon, Cal Clutterbuck (*spits*) and a starting goaltender to sign with only about $5.5 million in cap space. Having $13 million free would make things substantially easier for Chuck Fletcher.

San Jose Sharks

Martin Havlat - $5 million cap hit through 2014-2015 Season

Makes too much money for a guy who, at this point, is just broken physically. Aside from two good years in the late oughts, Havlat has never played a season without missing at least 10 games. In the past two years, he's missed 51 regular season games and has only played 7 out of a possible 16 playoff games for the Sharks. He still scored at a .5 PPG rate this season, but the underlying numbers are just okay. For a team with just over 8 million to spend on 7 players, Havlat may be a luxury they can't afford.

Vancouver Canucks

Keith Ballard - $4.2 million cap hit through 2014-2015 Season

The Vancouver Canucks coaching staff willingly played Cam Barker and Andrew Alberts ahead of Ballard multiple times this season. That pretty much says it all, don't it? On top of that, the Canucks are currently a million bucks over the cap next season with only 18 players signed. Bill Sweatt, Jordan Schroeder, Chris Tanev, Dale Weise and potentially Derek Roy all need new contracts as well, so this paperwork is as good as filed.

Did I miss anyone? Let me know in the comments.

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#1 Kent Wilson
May 31 2013, 02:51PM
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The Kings have Robyn Regehr for $3M/year and he's clearly not worth...oh, wait.

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#2 loudogYYC
May 31 2013, 04:21PM
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I've said it before, I'd be all over trading for Dany Heatley as long as it costs us a song and the Wild include a pick. He can play sheltered minutes in Calgary and then flipped at the deadline for whoever wants to cough up a 2nd or 3rd.

That's something no other team can pull off right now, that's using cap space strategically.

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#4 icedawg_42
May 31 2013, 02:57PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

The Kings have Robyn Regehr for $3M/year and he's clearly not worth...oh, wait.

Dutter has officially infiltrated the Kings' front office.

The End is near...

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#6 Parallex
May 31 2013, 03:04PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

The Kings have Robyn Regehr for $3M/year and he's clearly not worth...oh, wait.

If we're trying to trade Tanguay we should give L.A. a call... he's one of Darryl's guys and with Penner a free agrent they have a forward spot to fill.

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#7 Baalzamon
May 31 2013, 03:19PM
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how hilarious would it be if Heatley and Havlat were BOTH bought out in the SAME summer two years after they were traded for EACH OTHER? Especially since they're basically my two least favourite players (although my opinion of Havlat has improved markedly ever since he left the Wild and stopped playing games).

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I don't think Heatley was ever worth a 7.5 mil cap hit, personally. He coasted on elite linemates for his entire career until he reached Minnesota (well, actually, until he was demoted from the Thornton line). He's got a great shot, but that's it.

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#8 Lordmork
May 31 2013, 03:58PM
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I suppose it was too much to hope that some skilled players might come our way because of cap space issues. Obviously, teams are going to trim the dead weight first. I was just hoping there would be some bargains to be had, and this potential list does not give me much hope of that.

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#9 Parallex
May 31 2013, 04:07PM
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@Lordmork

Why not? There are decent players on that list... for the most part they are buyout candidates not because their play isn't NHL calibre but because their salary doesn't match their actual value. You can get bargains out of most of that group you just have to figure out the right price.

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#10 Avalain
May 31 2013, 04:15PM
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No chance for Vincent Lecavalier to be bought out?

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#11 Baalzamon
May 31 2013, 04:23PM
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@Avalain

*points at title* Western Conference.

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#12 mact.08
May 31 2013, 05:03PM
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icedawg_42 wrote:

Dutter has officially infiltrated the Kings' front office.

The End is near...

Am I missing something? Last game I saw Reggie was on the first pairing with Doughty and looked really good.

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#13 Scary Gary
May 31 2013, 05:10PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

The Kings have Robyn Regehr for $3M/year and he's clearly not worth...oh, wait.

Bah hahahah, that was good. Although Scuderi is a pending UFA, Mitchell might be done and Reggie is probably a solid leader to their young D coming up so it was a price they were willing to pay. I just don't think they had to...

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#14 Kent Wilson
May 31 2013, 05:15PM
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@mact.08

Drew Doughty's possession with Robyn Regehr: 51.9%

Doughty's possession Without Robyn Regehr: 59.2%

Robyn Regehr's corsi rate in the post-season: -12.52/60 (lowest on the Kings blueline).

He also got beat up in Buffalo the entire time he was there.

I like Reggie for what he was for the Flames way back when. He sounds like a good guy and I think he's smart enough to become a coach down the road.

But he's finished as an effective NHL defender beyond the third pairing. And he has been for awhile.

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#15 clYDE
May 31 2013, 05:23PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Drew Doughty's possession with Robyn Regehr: 51.9%

Doughty's possession Without Robyn Regehr: 59.2%

Robyn Regehr's corsi rate in the post-season: -12.52/60 (lowest on the Kings blueline).

He also got beat up in Buffalo the entire time he was there.

I like Reggie for what he was for the Flames way back when. He sounds like a good guy and I think he's smart enough to become a coach down the road.

But he's finished as an effective NHL defender beyond the third pairing. And he has been for awhile.

With all those advanced stats out there, why would the Stanley Cup champs play him so much and resign him? Guess some organizations must look at something else.

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#16 ChinookArch
May 31 2013, 05:28PM
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Tampa isn't even in Cap Jail, and it's much closer to Cap Hell, with a 3rd of their players having NTC and NMC's. Nice to see the Flames were the worst offenders. 17 players signed and less than $4M fill out the rest of their roster. This team needs to do something and the elephant in the room looks like Vinny Lecaveliers ugly contract for the next 13 years.

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#17 mattyc
May 31 2013, 05:31PM
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@Kent Wilson

Truculence(TM)

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#18 mact.08
May 31 2013, 05:49PM
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@Kent Wilson

Huh, didn't know that. Sutter always loved his big slow veteran d.. I bet reggie woulda got the same or more on the open market. Hell we signed sarich and babchuk for 2.5 for 2 yrs. I loved Reggie as a flame though. If Jerome dosent get a cup I'd love him too.

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#19 FireOnIce
May 31 2013, 05:55PM
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Reggie is a veteran leader, plain and simple.

He would've been Flames captain if Iginla wasn't here. He always called out selfish "players" who put themselves ahead of the team, in terms of buying into the coaching system and padding their stats with EN goals (anybody guess who?). He sounds like he knows what's up, both on the ice and off, and he doesn't pull any punches.

Plus the truculence. Lots of truculence.

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#20 FireOnIce
May 31 2013, 05:56PM
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In terms of "veteran", Regehr is the second oldest on the Kings (4 months younger than Scuderi). He also had both his legs broken and played the next season. He makes $3M for every reason but his horrific advanced stats.

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#21 ChinookArch
May 31 2013, 06:09PM
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I've been an advocate of using all of the Flames organizational strengths in order to speed the rebuilding process up. To be blunt Murray Edward's wallet is a big strength, coupled with the fact this team is very profitable. To my way of thinking it would be more prudent to put dollars toward ensuring the Flames could draft the next francise "elite" player. While, I believe the odds of a Flames Lecavelier trade and then Buyout to be very low, I hope it's an option the Flames braintrust explores. Speaking rationally I would rather spend $2 million dollars a year extra to get Nathan McKinnon, than hand a UFA a $2M overpayment for an ugly long term.

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#22 clYDE
May 31 2013, 06:25PM
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FireOnIce wrote:

In terms of "veteran", Regehr is the second oldest on the Kings (4 months younger than Scuderi). He also had both his legs broken and played the next season. He makes $3M for every reason but his horrific advanced stats.

A friend of mine works for the Kings and says Regehr has been punishing forwards to the point some of the more skilled guys are avoiding going to the net. Not to mention what tremendous leadership he has been showing and apparently has been a great influence on Doughty. None of this shows up in the advanced stats. If he is good enough to be playing strong minutes on a top 4 team, I don't think he is finished as a valuable defenseman.

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#23 bookofloob
May 31 2013, 07:12PM
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...Grit chart.

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#24 mattyc
May 31 2013, 07:27PM
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@bookofloob

I'm imagining a chart that looks something like this: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/12/09/arts/pyramid/pyramid-jumbo.jpg

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#25 schevvy
May 31 2013, 07:33PM
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I do think 3M is a lot for Reggie, but definitely see the argument that Clyde is bringing. Reggie always was a very good leader, and wasn't afraid to speak his mind. (Didn't he call out Phaneuf back in the day? I definitely remember him hating Keenan with a passion)

Also: JAROME FOREVER. Anyone who thinks differently is just plain wrong. (Insert a wee bit of sarcasm). Still, love that guy.

Ironic twist here, I find it hilarious that Vinny and Brad Richards, two of the main members of that hated 2004 Tampa team, are both primed to be bought out. Sometimes, things happen for a reason.

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#26 clYDE
May 31 2013, 09:07PM
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schevvy wrote:

I do think 3M is a lot for Reggie, but definitely see the argument that Clyde is bringing. Reggie always was a very good leader, and wasn't afraid to speak his mind. (Didn't he call out Phaneuf back in the day? I definitely remember him hating Keenan with a passion)

Also: JAROME FOREVER. Anyone who thinks differently is just plain wrong. (Insert a wee bit of sarcasm). Still, love that guy.

Ironic twist here, I find it hilarious that Vinny and Brad Richards, two of the main members of that hated 2004 Tampa team, are both primed to be bought out. Sometimes, things happen for a reason.

Schevvy, I just talked to my buddy in LA. They love all the intangibles Regehr brings and he apparently is a great mentor for Doughty. Really helping him and Voyonov learn how to keep the game simple and let things come to them. I wonder how much Brodie would be benefitting from his mentorship?

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#27 Dank
May 31 2013, 11:41PM
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clYDE wrote:

With all those advanced stats out there, why would the Stanley Cup champs play him so much and resign him? Guess some organizations must look at something else.

I know for a fact that the LA Kings staff uses Corsi as part of their evaluation, as Bill Ranford mentioned how the Kings werent attempting enough shots against SJ to Ryan Rishaug on TSN. Here's the link

http://nhlnumbers.com/2013/5/21/kings-assistant-bill-ranford-cites-corsi-to-tsns-ryan-rishaug

Pretty interesting stuff. When I was watching the game and heard him say that, I was like "isn't that just corsi?"

Perhaps the Kings look at overall team corsi, not individual corsi?

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#28 SmellOfVictory
June 01 2013, 12:38AM
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clYDE wrote:

With all those advanced stats out there, why would the Stanley Cup champs play him so much and resign him? Guess some organizations must look at something else.

He's a solid coach, but it's Darryl effing Sutter. This dude made a million terrible personnel decisions for the Flames as a GM; he's now playing his favourite old dman on the top pairing for his new team. Let's not pretend that coaches and GMs are immune to personal biases or fault (sometimes extreme) just because they happen to be employed in the old boys club of the NHL.

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#29 FireOnIce
June 01 2013, 12:53AM
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@clYDE

Pretty sure we agree on this. That's exactly what I was saying...

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#30 clYDE
June 01 2013, 06:32AM
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SmellOfVictory wrote:

He's a solid coach, but it's Darryl effing Sutter. This dude made a million terrible personnel decisions for the Flames as a GM; he's now playing his favourite old dman on the top pairing for his new team. Let's not pretend that coaches and GMs are immune to personal biases or fault (sometimes extreme) just because they happen to be employed in the old boys club of the NHL.

He's more than a solid coach. This is his 3rd final 4 appearance in his last 4 years of coaching. He wouldn't play Regehr unless he was helping him win. Criticize his management all you want but no one can question his ability to coach.

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#31 ChinookArch
June 01 2013, 08:06AM
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Well good. Now that I've fianally noticed that these are Western conference candiates, I can re-post on the Eastern article.

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#32 Scary Gary
June 01 2013, 09:38AM
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Nichushkin!!! Man this guy is going to be good, if he falls to six we have to take him. Calgary is the one team he'd have the best chance of making out if camp.

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#33 BurningSensation
June 01 2013, 10:09AM
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Scary Gary wrote:

Nichushkin!!! Man this guy is going to be good, if he falls to six we have to take him. Calgary is the one team he'd have the best chance of making out if camp.

Interestingly, Eric Francis (*cough* douche *cough*), mentioned on the 960 show on Friday that he liked Nichushkin and that he could play Center.

I like Nichushkin a tonne (based almost completely on how he dominated the Canadians at the WJC, which is both small sample size+'seen him good').

If the kid can also play C he could be a fantastic selection, but even if he is a pure right winger, we could use more of those too.

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#34 SmellOfVictory
June 01 2013, 10:25AM
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clYDE wrote:

He's more than a solid coach. This is his 3rd final 4 appearance in his last 4 years of coaching. He wouldn't play Regehr unless he was helping him win. Criticize his management all you want but no one can question his ability to coach.

He's a great coach; that doesn't mean he's perfect. I don't think there's anything wrong with questioning individual decisions on his part.

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#35 SmellOfVictory
June 01 2013, 10:27AM
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BurningSensation wrote:

Interestingly, Eric Francis (*cough* douche *cough*), mentioned on the 960 show on Friday that he liked Nichushkin and that he could play Center.

I like Nichushkin a tonne (based almost completely on how he dominated the Canadians at the WJC, which is both small sample size+'seen him good').

If the kid can also play C he could be a fantastic selection, but even if he is a pure right winger, we could use more of those too.

The thing with Nichushkin is that his hockey sense is allegedly not the best (at least, not for a top-end prospect). Given the Flames' mandate of brain first, everything else later, he may not be high on their board. He does strike me as the kind of guy who could end up being like Kovalchuk lite, though.

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#36 Kevin R
June 01 2013, 12:30PM
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Suggestion to Flames Nation:

Any chance we get a draft pool going where you pick the exact order of who you think will go in the 1st round & the one with the most hits take all. Maybe $10 or $20 for the entry, 1 entry per person???

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#37 durrr
June 01 2013, 12:42PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Drew Doughty's possession with Robyn Regehr: 51.9%

Doughty's possession Without Robyn Regehr: 59.2%

Robyn Regehr's corsi rate in the post-season: -12.52/60 (lowest on the Kings blueline).

He also got beat up in Buffalo the entire time he was there.

I like Reggie for what he was for the Flames way back when. He sounds like a good guy and I think he's smart enough to become a coach down the road.

But he's finished as an effective NHL defender beyond the third pairing. And he has been for awhile.

Advanced stats seem to be biased against stay-at-home defencemen. Since they are usually used in context specific situations, is this a useful evaluation tool for this subset of players?

If Regher is doing his job he's: 1) blocking shots (counts against corsi) 2) causing missed shots (counts against corsi and fenwick) 3) neutralizes or limits scoring chances (is this measurable?)

Since we know he has next to no offensive game, it's going to be hard for him to contribute positively to his corsi rate. Has he ever a positive corsi player?

I also suspect possession numbers are heavily subject to context. For example when the Kings are leading, Regher is probably playing a lot more frequently. Knowing Sutter they've also gone into a defensive shell resulting in a worse possession rate for Doughty.

When the Kings are losing, they are probably aggressively trying to create scoring chances, meaning Doughty is probably being paired more often with someone with offensive skill (i.e. NOT Regher). This is only going to help Doughty's possession stats away from Regher.

So, while I agree that Regher isn't as effective as he once was, I don't know if we can say he's no longer useful based solely on advanced stats and possession numbers.

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#38 BurningSensation
June 01 2013, 12:45PM
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Kevin R wrote:

Suggestion to Flames Nation:

Any chance we get a draft pool going where you pick the exact order of who you think will go in the 1st round & the one with the most hits take all. Maybe $10 or $20 for the entry, 1 entry per person???

Good idea, but make the entrance fee small (say $5.00) and the winner gets a 'Got Loob?' T-shirt.

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#39 the-wolf
June 01 2013, 12:52PM
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durrr wrote:

Advanced stats seem to be biased against stay-at-home defencemen. Since they are usually used in context specific situations, is this a useful evaluation tool for this subset of players?

If Regher is doing his job he's: 1) blocking shots (counts against corsi) 2) causing missed shots (counts against corsi and fenwick) 3) neutralizes or limits scoring chances (is this measurable?)

Since we know he has next to no offensive game, it's going to be hard for him to contribute positively to his corsi rate. Has he ever a positive corsi player?

I also suspect possession numbers are heavily subject to context. For example when the Kings are leading, Regher is probably playing a lot more frequently. Knowing Sutter they've also gone into a defensive shell resulting in a worse possession rate for Doughty.

When the Kings are losing, they are probably aggressively trying to create scoring chances, meaning Doughty is probably being paired more often with someone with offensive skill (i.e. NOT Regher). This is only going to help Doughty's possession stats away from Regher.

So, while I agree that Regher isn't as effective as he once was, I don't know if we can say he's no longer useful based solely on advanced stats and possession numbers.

Regehr was brought in for depth for a run to the Cup. In that capacity he's fine. End of story.

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#40 the-wolf
June 01 2013, 12:55PM
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SmellOfVictory wrote:

The thing with Nichushkin is that his hockey sense is allegedly not the best (at least, not for a top-end prospect). Given the Flames' mandate of brain first, everything else later, he may not be high on their board. He does strike me as the kind of guy who could end up being like Kovalchuk lite, though.

Watched the combine special on TSN and they showed some footage of him. The guy is a beast. He's so big and so fast and has fantastic hands. His hockey sense may not be elite, but it seems just fine to me. It'd be very hard to pass on a guy like that at #6.

One thing that's always bothered me about him though, why were his WJC numbers so poor?

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#41 Martin
June 01 2013, 01:11PM
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You forgot Tomas Kaberle from the Montreal Canadians, haven't played in the playoffs, in fact he haven't played since 5th of March and only played 10 games this season.

At a time they prefered to play Greg Pateryn and they even add Davis Drewiske via a trade.

With a 4,25m$ cap hit I don't see him back with the Habs, Marc Bergevin will probably try to trade him, but if they can't they'll probably use their second compliance buyout.

With Gomez, Ryder and Kaberle, they cut about 15m$.

Having a lot of money when you don't even know which player have a chance to go on the UFA market because of those buyout is a great thing.

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#42 durrr
June 01 2013, 01:12PM
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Yeah, except he's playing top 4 minutes and just got a contract extension. Neither of which suggest the Kings view him as a depth defenceman acquired for a cup ron.

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#43 Martin
June 01 2013, 01:12PM
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Martin wrote:

You forgot Tomas Kaberle from the Montreal Canadians, haven't played in the playoffs, in fact he haven't played since 5th of March and only played 10 games this season.

At a time they prefered to play Greg Pateryn and they even add Davis Drewiske via a trade.

With a 4,25m$ cap hit I don't see him back with the Habs, Marc Bergevin will probably try to trade him, but if they can't they'll probably use their second compliance buyout.

With Gomez, Ryder and Kaberle, they cut about 15m$.

Having a lot of money when you don't even know which player have a chance to go on the UFA market because of those buyout is a great thing.

Forget what I said, I haven't notice the title and haven't realised it was only western team reading the article.

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#44 the-wolf
June 01 2013, 01:16PM
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Yeah, except he's playing top 4 minutes and just got a contract extension. Neither of which suggest the Kings view him as a depth defenceman acquired for a cup ron.

My bad, was not aware of that. What was the deal?

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#45 the-wolf
June 01 2013, 01:20PM
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My bad, was not aware of that. What was the deal?

Never mind, found it. Apaprently I slept walk through this entire thread. I'll just shut up now.

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#46 Kevin R
June 01 2013, 01:25PM
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Good idea, but make the entrance fee small (say $5.00) and the winner gets a 'Got Loob?' T-shirt.

I could live with that.

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#47 clYDE
June 01 2013, 01:46PM
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Advanced stats seem to be biased against stay-at-home defencemen. Since they are usually used in context specific situations, is this a useful evaluation tool for this subset of players?

If Regher is doing his job he's: 1) blocking shots (counts against corsi) 2) causing missed shots (counts against corsi and fenwick) 3) neutralizes or limits scoring chances (is this measurable?)

Since we know he has next to no offensive game, it's going to be hard for him to contribute positively to his corsi rate. Has he ever a positive corsi player?

I also suspect possession numbers are heavily subject to context. For example when the Kings are leading, Regher is probably playing a lot more frequently. Knowing Sutter they've also gone into a defensive shell resulting in a worse possession rate for Doughty.

When the Kings are losing, they are probably aggressively trying to create scoring chances, meaning Doughty is probably being paired more often with someone with offensive skill (i.e. NOT Regher). This is only going to help Doughty's possession stats away from Regher.

So, while I agree that Regher isn't as effective as he once was, I don't know if we can say he's no longer useful based solely on advanced stats and possession numbers.

I could not agree more.

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#48 BurningSensation
June 01 2013, 01:50PM
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Kevin R wrote:

I could live with that.

I'd also recommend a two-tiered scoring system;

Every player correctly identified as being n the top 30 = 1pt

Every player correctly identified in their correct slot = 3pts

So getting Seth Jones right as being one of the top 30 = 1pt

Correctly identifying that Jones is picked 3rd overall by the Bolts = 3pts

Max points = 90 (nailing every pick by every team)

Thoughts?

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#49 Baalzamon
June 01 2013, 02:04PM
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@durrr

Even if that's true (which it likely is) that isn't even the issue--it's the fact that he's made Drew Doughty that much WORSE. With Regehr, Doughty goes from elite to mediocre. Doughty is the kind of guy who puts up great possession rates regardless of linemates or circumstances. ie., his rate with ROB SCUDERI is MUCH better than his rate with Regehr.

How can that be anything but an indictment of Regehr?

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#50 clYDE
June 01 2013, 03:54PM
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Even if that's true (which it likely is) that isn't even the issue--it's the fact that he's made Drew Doughty that much WORSE. With Regehr, Doughty goes from elite to mediocre. Doughty is the kind of guy who puts up great possession rates regardless of linemates or circumstances. ie., his rate with ROB SCUDERI is MUCH better than his rate with Regehr.

How can that be anything but an indictment of Regehr?

You are basing your evaluation on a stat that may not be all that important to the Kings. I am saying that because the Kings are saying that Regehr has not only brought a physical element to the team that was needed but he has helped Doughty take his game to a new level. They cite things like Doughty learning to keep the game much more simple, how he is learning to keep guys out of scoring areas, and how he is learning how to engage players physically after a shot from a poor scoring area who had been beating him to rebounds earlier in the year. He has learned how to allow shots from the periphery and prevent opportunities from the scoring area. The stats guys obviously see Regehr as a detriment. The hockey people are playing him and signing him to extensions. How can that not be an indictment on the importance of these advanced stats in hockey especially as Durr says, when evaluating a player like Regehr?

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