Compliance Buyout Candidates: Western Conference

Justin Azevedo
May 31 2013 02:48PM

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This season's NHL lockout resulted in a few interesting wrinkles when it comes to cap compliance - one of those is the compliance buyout. Every team (except NYR and MTL, who have both used one buyout) has two compliance buyouts they can use during the buyout periods over the next two summers. This year, I've identified a few players in each conference who might be subject to such buyout parameters. These buyouts don't count against the salary cap, unlike regular buyouts. 

Anaheim Ducks

Bryan Allen - $3.5 million cap hit through 2014-2015 Season

Allen was awful this season - both by the counting numbers (6 assists, 0 goals in 41 GP) and the advanced stats (even ZS%, -10 Relative Corsi and -9.66 Corsi On while playing crap competition). Compound that with the fact that the Ducks, as currently constructed - i.e., without contracts for Saku Koivu, Teemu Selanne, Toni Lydman and Kyle Palmieri - have about 930k in cap space. Jonas Hiller may move, which would create some room, but $3.5 million for a bottom-pairing defenseman is too much.

Calgary Flames

Alex Tanguay - $3.5 million cap hit through 2015-2016 Season

It's unlikely that Tanguay is bought out as his point production and average cost do make him tradable. However, the term on that contract is ugly for a guy who has noticeably slowed in the past few years. He's still a top-6 forward on the counting numbers side of things, though.

Chicago Blackhawks

Rostislav Olesz - $3.125 million cap hit through 2013-2014 Season

Marcus Kruger, Nick Leddy and Drew Leblanc need new contracts. Olesz hasn't been able to stick at the NHL level with the Blackhawks. Pretty clear-cut, in my opinion.

Steve Montador - $2.75 million cap hit through 2014-2015 Season

The Blackhawks have lots of depth at defense, so paying $2.75 million to a guy so he can be your seventh or eighth man on the depth chart just doesn't make sense to me. It appears as though the Blackhawks agree, as Montador spent the balance of this season with their AHL club. There's also the contract issue and cap crunch explained up above.

Colorado Avalanche

David Jones - $4 million cap hit through 2015-2016 Season

Highly unlikely simply because of the financial situation of a team who just gave their new coach a non-guaranteed contract, but this is one of those deals that never should've been signed. Jones scored 9 points in 33 games last year, or, about .2PPG worse than Roman Cervenka this season. He's never had a positive Corsi On, even with a season where he started 55% of his shifts in the offensive zone.

Columbus Blue Jackets

James Wisnewski - $5.5 million cap hit through 2016-2017 Season

Wisnewski produced fine scoring-wise this year, but his results were likely helped by the soft minutes he played. For a team with Ryan Murray, Jack Johnson, Fedor Tyutin, Nikita Nikitin, Tim Erixon and Dalton Prout already under contract for next year Wisnewski might have a hard time justifying his price tag, as he'll likely be the 4th or 5th defenseman on the depth chart.

RJ Umberger - $4.6 million cap hit through 2016-2017 Season

Umberger was used mainly in a shut-down role this season, facing the hardest competition among Blue Jacket forwards while dealing with a 47% ZS. However, that is an ugly cap hit for someone who only scored 18 points in 48 games this season. Considering that this was the first year of his contract, new GM Jarmo Kekkalainen may be able to brush the contract off as a mistake by his predecessor.

Edmonton Oilers

Shawn Horcoff - $5.5 million cap hit through 2014-2015 Season

The leader up north has long been lambasted (quite unfairly) for signing the huge contract he did after visiting a Mexican stick factory. However, Horcoff is still the 3rd best centre on the roster and the Oilers need all the help they can get. If the Oilers somehow get into cap trouble over the summer, though, that's a nice number to be rid of.

Eric Belanger - $1.75 million cap hit through 2013-2014 Season

Belanger just has the one year remaining on his contract, but he is still playing with the big club and can skate a regular shift. This buyout would be more of a "we need an open spot for centerman x" type of thing.

Ben Eager - $1 million cap hit through 2013-2014 Season

Played a large chunk of the season with the Oilers' farm team this year and the Oilers already have Mike Brown to be useless and punch people. Eager might find his way back to Edmonton, but it's probably in the best interest of the team to give him his cash and say see-ya.

Minnesota Wild

Dany Heatley - $7.5 million cap hit through 2013-2014 Season

He's just not worth $7.5 million per season anymore, and the Wild have the new contracts of Justin Falk, Jared Spurgeon, Cal Clutterbuck (*spits*) and a starting goaltender to sign with only about $5.5 million in cap space. Having $13 million free would make things substantially easier for Chuck Fletcher.

San Jose Sharks

Martin Havlat - $5 million cap hit through 2014-2015 Season

Makes too much money for a guy who, at this point, is just broken physically. Aside from two good years in the late oughts, Havlat has never played a season without missing at least 10 games. In the past two years, he's missed 51 regular season games and has only played 7 out of a possible 16 playoff games for the Sharks. He still scored at a .5 PPG rate this season, but the underlying numbers are just okay. For a team with just over 8 million to spend on 7 players, Havlat may be a luxury they can't afford.

Vancouver Canucks

Keith Ballard - $4.2 million cap hit through 2014-2015 Season

The Vancouver Canucks coaching staff willingly played Cam Barker and Andrew Alberts ahead of Ballard multiple times this season. That pretty much says it all, don't it? On top of that, the Canucks are currently a million bucks over the cap next season with only 18 players signed. Bill Sweatt, Jordan Schroeder, Chris Tanev, Dale Weise and potentially Derek Roy all need new contracts as well, so this paperwork is as good as filed.

Did I miss anyone? Let me know in the comments.

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#51 BurningSensation
June 01 2013, 04:47PM
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clYDE wrote:

You are basing your evaluation on a stat that may not be all that important to the Kings. I am saying that because the Kings are saying that Regehr has not only brought a physical element to the team that was needed but he has helped Doughty take his game to a new level. They cite things like Doughty learning to keep the game much more simple, how he is learning to keep guys out of scoring areas, and how he is learning how to engage players physically after a shot from a poor scoring area who had been beating him to rebounds earlier in the year. He has learned how to allow shots from the periphery and prevent opportunities from the scoring area. The stats guys obviously see Regehr as a detriment. The hockey people are playing him and signing him to extensions. How can that not be an indictment on the importance of these advanced stats in hockey especially as Durr says, when evaluating a player like Regehr?

It could (and IMO should) be read as an indictment of Sutter and Lombardi misunderstanding the value that Regehr is actually producing.

The NBA has seen a similar disconnect between what the advanced stats show and perceived performance by coaches/Gms. For example a player like Carmelo Anthony is looked upon as an elite small forward because of the offense he produces, but the advanced stats show that Melo takes way too many inefficient shots to generate that scoring, and that in the other facets of the game that matter (rebounds, assists, defense, etc) Melo is merely average or outright poor for his position.

Regehr will be lauded for all the things he brings to the table that don't show up in the stats; toughness, big body presence, leadership, heart, etc., but that just makes him a good candidate to be a coach.

The facts are that he is a boat anchor dragging down Doughty's (otherwise amazing) performance.

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#52 clYDE
June 01 2013, 05:29PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

It could (and IMO should) be read as an indictment of Sutter and Lombardi misunderstanding the value that Regehr is actually producing.

The NBA has seen a similar disconnect between what the advanced stats show and perceived performance by coaches/Gms. For example a player like Carmelo Anthony is looked upon as an elite small forward because of the offense he produces, but the advanced stats show that Melo takes way too many inefficient shots to generate that scoring, and that in the other facets of the game that matter (rebounds, assists, defense, etc) Melo is merely average or outright poor for his position.

Regehr will be lauded for all the things he brings to the table that don't show up in the stats; toughness, big body presence, leadership, heart, etc., but that just makes him a good candidate to be a coach.

The facts are that he is a boat anchor dragging down Doughty's (otherwise amazing) performance.

You must be right. What do these hockey guys know? They should be fired for how they have run this team into the ground by ignoring these stats. Why do you feel these stats are being ignored in a business that only recognizes and rewards one stat. And, if Sutter and Lombardi don't win, they will be gone. Why are the advanced stat guys not running these teams and relying on these stats? Why do hockey people value intangibles so much when they have these stats to help make their decisions? Carmello Anthony is actually looked upon as an elite scorer by most in the basketball world which he is much like Bernard King was back in the day. Very valuable players in their role and players you like to have. I haven't heard too many basketball guys call him an elite all round player.

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#53 BurningSensation
June 01 2013, 05:43PM
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clYDE wrote:

You must be right. What do these hockey guys know? They should be fired for how they have run this team into the ground by ignoring these stats. Why do you feel these stats are being ignored in a business that only recognizes and rewards one stat. And, if Sutter and Lombardi don't win, they will be gone. Why are the advanced stat guys not running these teams and relying on these stats? Why do hockey people value intangibles so much when they have these stats to help make their decisions? Carmello Anthony is actually looked upon as an elite scorer by most in the basketball world which he is much like Bernard King was back in the day. Very valuable players in their role and players you like to have. I haven't heard too many basketball guys call him an elite all round player.

Chi 2 - LA 1

Regehr -1 on the night.

But what do the stats know anyway?

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#54 clYDE
June 01 2013, 06:09PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

Chi 2 - LA 1

Regehr -1 on the night.

But what do the stats know anyway?

Come on!!! The play was a 3 on 2. AS THE WEAK SIDE DEF, REGEHR ELIMINATED THE F2 as he is supposed to. Doughty had F1 and yet Clifford for some reason left F3 to join on F1. F3 scored the goal because of a Clifford break down. Get your head out of the stats and watch the game. Your lack of flexibility in considering the importance of things that cannot be measured has told me everything I need to know. Keep arrogantly criticizing hockey people for ignoring stats only non hockey people seem to focus on if it makes you feel good.

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#55 BurningSensation
June 01 2013, 06:40PM
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clYDE wrote:

Come on!!! The play was a 3 on 2. AS THE WEAK SIDE DEF, REGEHR ELIMINATED THE F2 as he is supposed to. Doughty had F1 and yet Clifford for some reason left F3 to join on F1. F3 scored the goal because of a Clifford break down. Get your head out of the stats and watch the game. Your lack of flexibility in considering the importance of things that cannot be measured has told me everything I need to know. Keep arrogantly criticizing hockey people for ignoring stats only non hockey people seem to focus on if it makes you feel good.

Yeah Regehr showed all kinds of leadership and big body presence all game long.

Too bad they lost.

Seriously though, Regehr's underlying stats are terrible - for a reason. Since his arrival in LA he's been gifted a terrific defense partner and gobs of ice-time and yet the stats show he has been a boat-anchor out on the ice.

Do I think Sutter is a terrific coach? Without a doubt.

Do I think Sutter is wrong to play him the way he does? You bet I do.

Is Sutter a devotee of the advanced stats? I highly doubt it. He has a fantastic roster and he has them playing good ole boring Devil's hockey - and he's winning games doing so. Regehr is one of his old favourites and he's playing him like he's still 25 and in his prime.

It was you who pointed out that the only stat that matters is wins - which is why it matters that LA just lost and that Regehr was -1.

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#56 clYDE
June 01 2013, 07:28PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

Yeah Regehr showed all kinds of leadership and big body presence all game long.

Too bad they lost.

Seriously though, Regehr's underlying stats are terrible - for a reason. Since his arrival in LA he's been gifted a terrific defense partner and gobs of ice-time and yet the stats show he has been a boat-anchor out on the ice.

Do I think Sutter is a terrific coach? Without a doubt.

Do I think Sutter is wrong to play him the way he does? You bet I do.

Is Sutter a devotee of the advanced stats? I highly doubt it. He has a fantastic roster and he has them playing good ole boring Devil's hockey - and he's winning games doing so. Regehr is one of his old favourites and he's playing him like he's still 25 and in his prime.

It was you who pointed out that the only stat that matters is wins - which is why it matters that LA just lost and that Regehr was -1.

How did Kane do against him tonight? He couldn't throw the puck away quick enough and try to jump away from contact. Is there a stat for that? The only stat that matters in that business is wins. Who has more playoff wins in the last 2 years than LA? And, here they are in the final 4 again. Sutter wouldn't play anyone for old times sake. And, Regehr is third in the league in the Warrener advanced statistic. It is time on ice in June. I made it up just like Jim Corsi made up his. It is easily measured so you may like it. Apparently a lot of coaches put people on the ice who are getting the job done that they want done. Wonder what his time on ice in a penalty killing role is? They have a good kill and he is always on. Or shots blocked at the man disadvantage? He does a lot of that. See, we can create stats and get bogged down in them. All coaches have a set criteria they judge players on. It may be the stuff you don't follow. Have you considered that? Did you hear Warrener laughing about Jim Corsi creating that stat? You say Sutter has a great collection of players. They were out of the playoffs when he took over last year. Until he got them going, many on his roster were considered everything from no names to under achievers to dressing room cancers. Adding a veteran like Regehr to that group, a guy who listens to the coach and will compete for every inch on that ice is worth far more than any stat can measure. And, no, that does not make him better suited as a coach. The mentorship a professional like that gives in how he conducts his day to day business is invaluable. Unfortunately, Jim Corsi doesn't know how to measure it.

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#57 mact.08
June 01 2013, 07:34PM
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@clYDE

I agree. I'm tired of people talking about advanced stats as if its the only thing in which to judge a player on. Hockey is a fluid game with numerous variables. Corsi, possession, etc has its place, but you cannot totally determine a players value with that.

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#58 Parallex
June 01 2013, 09:11PM
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I feel sad for Robyn Regher... from the sounds of it he is now the new Steve Staois. I mean, it's eery how much those defending the Regher acquisition/extension resemble those defending the Staois acquisition by the Flames. If there's one thing you don't want to end up as it's Steve Staois... that guy sucked and all his "intangibles" did was make the team worse.

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#59 clYDE
June 01 2013, 09:16PM
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Parallex wrote:

I feel sad for Robyn Regher... from the sounds of it he is now the new Steve Staois. I mean, it's eery how much those defending the Regher acquisition/extension resemble those defending the Staois acquisition by the Flames. If there's one thing you don't want to end up as it's Steve Staois... that guy sucked and all his "intangibles" did was make the team worse.

Regehr is playing top 2 minutes on a top 4 team. Can't see how you could possibly make a connection to the Staios saga??? I don't think you should feel sad for Regehr. The guy is playing within himself and punishing guys.Is he the same guy as 10 years ago? Who is? Is he effective? Ask the skilled players he is playing against who are no longer going to the net.

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#60 The Last Big Bear
June 01 2013, 09:20PM
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Hmm, just looking through some stats, it looks like Regehr has always had terrible Corsi and Corsi relative.

So even when he was in his prime, and Canadian Olympic material, and heralded by many as one of the top defensive defencemen in the world...

It turns out we were all wrong.

Heck, based on some of his 'advanced stats', it looks like Robyn Regehr was never even an NHL calibre player to start with.

Who knew?

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#61 BurningSensation
June 01 2013, 09:25PM
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mact.08 wrote:

I agree. I'm tired of people talking about advanced stats as if its the only thing in which to judge a player on. Hockey is a fluid game with numerous variables. Corsi, possession, etc has its place, but you cannot totally determine a players value with that.

What I think the adcanced stats are telling us is that those qualities you think of as being important simply aren't, or, are expressed within the stat itself.

Think of something like 'toughness', does it matter more whether your D-man is considered 'hard to play against', or whether he has a terrific RelCorsi heavy on own zone starts?

In the case of Regehr, the stats are telling us that Doughty's effectiveness has taken a big hit by having to play with Regehr.

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#62 clYDE
June 01 2013, 09:26PM
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The Last Big Bear wrote:

Hmm, just looking through some stats, it looks like Regehr has always had terrible Corsi and Corsi relative.

So even when he was in his prime, and Canadian Olympic material, and heralded by many as one of the top defensive defencemen in the world...

It turns out we were all wrong.

Heck, based on some of his 'advanced stats', it looks like Robyn Regehr was never even an NHL calibre player to start with.

Who knew?

Great reply. Thank you.

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#63 Parallex
June 01 2013, 09:32PM
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Pretty easily. When Staois was traded for and people groaned and said that he didn't contribute to winning a bunch of folk droned on about how he was "gritty" or "tough" and how he was the leadery leaderest of all the leaders and that those "qualities" would make the team better... instead he just made the team worse. Which is basically what's going on here just replace the name Staois with Regher. The narrative that people are trying to construct is almost word for word the same... I suspect Regher will have about as much impact on LA that Staois had on Calgary. None at best, and most likely negative.

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#64 The Last Big Bear
June 01 2013, 09:50PM
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I don't really mean to pile on the advanced stats crowd...

But you've got coaches looking at an offensive zone faceoff after an icing against a left-handed centreman in the left circle, and it's the 2nd period so your bench is on the wrong end of the ice, and their main offensive threat is their right winger, and if you lose this faceoff the left side defenceman is going to get stuck out there and blah, blah, blah...

I could go on for pages about the considerations that an NHL level coach goes through pretty much automatically at every shift change.

And the impression I get from advanced stats advocates is somebody telling this coach "Hey, have you ever thought of counting how many times each team shoots the puck?"

Advanced stats suggesting that Darryl Sutter shouldn't be playing Robyn Regehr in the top 4 is pretty much the mathematical equivalent of yelling "SHOOT!!" from the stands every time the point man gets the puck.

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#65 clYDE
June 01 2013, 10:00PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

What I think the adcanced stats are telling us is that those qualities you think of as being important simply aren't, or, are expressed within the stat itself.

Think of something like 'toughness', does it matter more whether your D-man is considered 'hard to play against', or whether he has a terrific RelCorsi heavy on own zone starts?

In the case of Regehr, the stats are telling us that Doughty's effectiveness has taken a big hit by having to play with Regehr.

The stats you choose to observe are telling you what you choose to observe. Nothing more unless the Kings follow the same stats you do. If they did, Regehr would never have been dealt for. Try to consider that perhaps there may be more to this game.

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#67 clYDE
June 01 2013, 10:28PM
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Justin Azevedo wrote:

question: do you believe the kings would have made the final 4 without regehr?

advanced-stat wise, reggie's corsi on was fine until last season when taken in context with his zs% and competition, which is something we all need to remember.

as of last season, though, both his corsi on and corsi rel cratered, even with context.

also, the kings do follow the same stats the advanced stats crowd do; take a look at nhl numbers from a week or so ago.

As funny as it sounds, a slow footed -4 def may have been that little intangible that got them here. My LA guy says he has brought a physical element to the team they were lacking and that he has rubbed off on his teammates immensly. He also says that Doughty has been much better since Regehr got there yet the stats you say the Kings follow refute that. I don't think my former teammate would lie to me and he is a very good hockey guy. I don't disagree that the Kings look at these stats but every team follows stats that matters most to their preferred style of play. Sutter would not be giving Regehr top 2 minutes if he wasn't helping the team win. I do think Chicago will be more of a challenge for him as his style was best suited for competing against STL and San Jose but watching Kane avoid him today rather than try to expose him was interesting.

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#68 please cancel acct
June 01 2013, 10:46PM
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Parallex wrote:

Pretty easily. When Staois was traded for and people groaned and said that he didn't contribute to winning a bunch of folk droned on about how he was "gritty" or "tough" and how he was the leadery leaderest of all the leaders and that those "qualities" would make the team better... instead he just made the team worse. Which is basically what's going on here just replace the name Staois with Regher. The narrative that people are trying to construct is almost word for word the same... I suspect Regher will have about as much impact on LA that Staois had on Calgary. None at best, and most likely negative.

I,d add a Regher/Staois on my team in a minute if I felt comfortable that I had a chance to win.The playoffs are about hurting opposition players over a multi-game series.

Watching Regher in the last series made me cringe with his inability to play the puck. However he played a big part in punishing the opposition forward's trying to gain the zone on his side. That punishment is hard to measure,and it does take it's toll

As far as people thinking that Staois was the leadery leaderest of all leaders,that's funny.

I'am not fond of goon type forward's but have always enjoyed punishing d- men.

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#69 Parallex
June 01 2013, 11:16PM
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@clYDE

That LA is in the final four means absolutely nothing with regards to Regher... they won the cup last year without him so getting this far speaks nothing to his impact or lack thereof.

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#70 Kevin R
June 01 2013, 11:52PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

I'd also recommend a two-tiered scoring system;

Every player correctly identified as being n the top 30 = 1pt

Every player correctly identified in their correct slot = 3pts

So getting Seth Jones right as being one of the top 30 = 1pt

Correctly identifying that Jones is picked 3rd overall by the Bolts = 3pts

Max points = 90 (nailing every pick by every team)

Thoughts?

That would work pretty good & help avoid ties if you had many entries. Just gotta get Lord Kent to make it happen.

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#71 clYDE
June 01 2013, 11:53PM
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Parallex wrote:

That LA is in the final four means absolutely nothing with regards to Regher... they won the cup last year without him so getting this far speaks nothing to his impact or lack thereof.

You go with that then. The fact that he kills every penalty and is playing top 2 minutes is of no consequence. Sounds reasonable.

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#72 Kevin R
June 01 2013, 11:55PM
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Justin Azevedo wrote:

question: do you believe the kings would have made the final 4 without regehr?

advanced-stat wise, reggie's corsi on was fine until last season when taken in context with his zs% and competition, which is something we all need to remember.

as of last season, though, both his corsi on and corsi rel cratered, even with context.

also, the kings do follow the same stats the advanced stats crowd do; take a look at nhl numbers from a week or so ago.

I find this debate very very entertaining. It does make one think & in my case open some wounds that were starting to heal. Those wounds are that we got freaking hosed on our deal with Buffalo!:-(

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#73 SmellOfVictory
June 02 2013, 12:53AM
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The Last Big Bear wrote:

I don't really mean to pile on the advanced stats crowd...

But you've got coaches looking at an offensive zone faceoff after an icing against a left-handed centreman in the left circle, and it's the 2nd period so your bench is on the wrong end of the ice, and their main offensive threat is their right winger, and if you lose this faceoff the left side defenceman is going to get stuck out there and blah, blah, blah...

I could go on for pages about the considerations that an NHL level coach goes through pretty much automatically at every shift change.

And the impression I get from advanced stats advocates is somebody telling this coach "Hey, have you ever thought of counting how many times each team shoots the puck?"

Advanced stats suggesting that Darryl Sutter shouldn't be playing Robyn Regehr in the top 4 is pretty much the mathematical equivalent of yelling "SHOOT!!" from the stands every time the point man gets the puck.

Negatory; that's a misconception. The shot differential is just a proxy for how good a player generally is. It's not whether or not he shoots the puck, it's that, taken in aggregate, all actions lead to shots either being taken or prevented. All positive actions should increase the likelihood of a shot for, and all negative actions should increase the likelihood of a shot against.

There might be the occasional fluke, but in an overarching sense, that is what advanced stats are all about. For example, a good hit should decrease the chances of a shot against, a bad hit (e.g. "The Phaneuf") should increase those chances.

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#74 The Last Big Bear
June 02 2013, 03:17PM
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@SmellOfVictory

There's no misconception.

You're counting shots.

And then using shot proportions as a proxy for possession time, and using possession time as a proxy for a players' contributions.

I understand the rationale. But you're still just counting shots. That's it.

It does have value, but there is nothing 'advanced' about it. And it's certainly not more advanced than the decision making processes that every NHL level coach uses. They are aware of Corsi. Not using it exclusively to make decisions is not reflective of ignorance on their behalf.

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#75 suba steve
June 02 2013, 04:29PM
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@The Last Big Bear

B.B.

What you seem to be missing is so obvious, you're gonna just kick yourself. The thing you need to remember is that all of us know more about coaching than any NHL coach. We also know more about player development than any NHL organization, and we know more about evaluating young talent than any scouting department wrt drafting the future. We don't even need to watch the juniors play, we get all the info we need from the interweb and have not missed on a single pick...ever. But where we really have all those NHL "pretenders" is in the GM dept. We have advanced stats that those guys have never heard of and wouldn't understand anyway. Now you're in on the FN facts.

On a more serious note, I enjoy FlamesNation, I visit and read far more often than I post. But man oh man, what a bunch of know-it-alls (not indicating anyone in particular). Having said that, I'll see you all tomorrow. I love the interweb.

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#76 FireOnIce
June 02 2013, 07:19PM
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Speaking of Regehr, I'm watching game 2 of LAK/CHI, and Regehr just put it in his own net. Probably not a good idea to swipe your stick TOWARDS the net as you try to clear the puck.

In light of this thread, I lol'd.

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#78 SmellOfVictory
June 02 2013, 09:00PM
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The Last Big Bear wrote:

There's no misconception.

You're counting shots.

And then using shot proportions as a proxy for possession time, and using possession time as a proxy for a players' contributions.

I understand the rationale. But you're still just counting shots. That's it.

It does have value, but there is nothing 'advanced' about it. And it's certainly not more advanced than the decision making processes that every NHL level coach uses. They are aware of Corsi. Not using it exclusively to make decisions is not reflective of ignorance on their behalf.

The only reason we call it "advanced" is because it's more advanced than basic stats. The shot counts themselves aren't, but the interpretation as well as the contextual stuff is.

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#79 Peterman
June 03 2013, 08:46AM
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Avs: Zanon is a definite candidate. He is horrible. I expect we upgrade our defense somehow and Zanon just doesn't belong. I'd give Jones one year to bounce back, considering his past production. He could be bought out next season if it doesn't work out.

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#80 Glen Hopping
June 04 2013, 11:29PM
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The Canucks are almost at the Cap limit with 17 players signed. They may have to utilize both compliance buyouts which puts them at 15 players to have the cap space to sign 22 or more players. It might be better to attempt to trade Ballard before going the buyout route. I sometimes wonder it there wasn't an ulterior motive for buying a farm team with no place to play. It's too bad there isn't a compliance buyout for a GM/player agent.

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#81 Lemming
June 05 2013, 12:10AM
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After Roy's abysmal performance in the playoffs for Vancouver, I doubt he's in the mix for a new contract.

Feel bad about Havlat though. The guy could never stay healthy, but was clearly a really skilled guy. Maybe his conditioning just sucked or he was just unlucky. We'll never know.

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#82 ReimerOnCheese
June 05 2013, 10:38PM
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Clarke MacArthur and Mike Komisarek for the Toronto Maple Leafs. God, why is Mike Komisarek still playing hockey? HE SUCKS! He was only ever good because he had Markov to cover for him, he was only an All-Star because of rigged home crowd voting. He's being payed 4.5 M a year to sit in the press box. I want him out of my town. As for Clarke MacArthur, I think he's a nice player, but not for the NHL. He is a workaholic who can make nice plays, but Toronto has more than enough of those, and they can actually put the puck in the net too. He was good one or two years, but he's lost his touch. I want him out of my town too. Reimer ftw!!!

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