Flames trade Tanguay and Sarich for David Jones and Shane O'Brien

Kent Wilson
June 27 2013 04:55PM

 

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- pic via James Teterenko, wikimedia commons

 

Word just came out this afternoon that the Flames dealt Alex Tanguay and Cory Sarich to the Colorado Avalanche for David Jones and Shane O'Brien.

The move isn't a surprise in terms of the player involved from a Calgary perspective. It has been clear since the end of the season that Tanguay wasn't too interested in being part of an extended rebuild and that the management wasn't too enmaoured with the player anymore either. Sarich, who was bafflingly re-signed last summer for another two years after spending a bunch of time in the pressbox, was a candidate to be moved as soon as the ink was dry on his new deal.

The return from the Avs is rather underwhelming. Jones is a 28-year old 6'2" winger who has twice scored 20+ goals in the NHL, including a career high 27 in 2010-11. He's not a high volume shooter, though, so his production is dependent on a relatively high personal SH%. His career rate is 14.7%, but with less than 500 shots under his belt, it's entirely possible we don't really know his true shooting ability and that number will come down a tad.

Jones faced top competition on the Avs last year and started a lot of shifts in the defensive zone. He also got buried with one of the worst possession rates on the team (-8.8/60 corsi rel), so it's safe to say that's not really his area of strength. He was similarly underwater the season previous despite much easier competition, which suggests Jones probably isn't a guy who is going to advance play very effectively. His contract stretches to 2015-16 at $4M/year.

Shane O'Brien is basically a slightly younger, marginally cheaper (actually exact same price) version of Sarich. He's big, he's not terribly mobile and he's not going to score a lot of points. He's a functional middle tier defenseman who can bang bodies who probably shouldn't spend too much time on the ice with the other team's best. 

The Flames need to staff the team next year and were desperate to deal a malcontent is what this deal comes down to. It's unlikely either Jones or O'Brien will play a significant role in the genesis of the Flames rebuild.

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#1 s_yav14
June 27 2013, 04:59PM
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Well atleast we're making a run for Reinhart and Mcdavid...

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#2 mkd087
June 27 2013, 04:59PM
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Seems like a desperation move to get rid of Tangs. Otherwise I can't see why they'd be doing this now. I know we wouldn't get much for the guy, but maybe waiting it out through free agency etc. could have helped a bit...any chance there's more to this?

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#3 icedawg_42
June 27 2013, 05:00PM
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If it were desperation to get rid of Tanguay, why not just buy him out?

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#4 mkd087
June 27 2013, 05:02PM
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That's true. Obviously the owners aren't wanting to eat any salary with the buyouts. Probably told Feaster to do the best he could via trade..and in comes Jones and O'Brien

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#5 aloudoun
June 27 2013, 05:02PM
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Easy people. Let's judge Feaster after this weekend is done. Very important couple days coming up and this is one of many moves that will go down.

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#6 mslepp
June 27 2013, 05:03PM
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Jones for Tanguay, whatever.

O'Brien is basically a slightly worse version of Sarich at 29 so that's not exactly gonna get me dancing in the streets.

Younger (but not young) and bigger but not better. Little bit more cap and roughly same term.

Pretty astonishingly mediocre - or, your prototypical Jay Feaster trade. Ya get what ya pay for.

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#7 icedawg_42
June 27 2013, 05:04PM
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I suppose i'm pretty Meh about the whole thing - the one point I raised about just buying Tangs out, the flip side of that, still need to ice a roster next year...so pretty lateral move overall I guess. Younger and "grittier" maybe?

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#8 RKD
June 27 2013, 05:05PM
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I'm not surprised they traded Tangs, that five year contract Feaster signed him to was a mistake in the first place. Cory Sarich asked for a trade like three times without any takers.

I hated O'Brien when he was with Van city, he seemed to take the worse penalties at the worst times. I guess the Flames needed a shut-down guy now that Jay-Bo is gone and Gio was in over his head in the shortened season. At least O'Brien has nearly 500 games of NHL experience.

The Flames do get size in Jones which they were missing with the departures of Jokinen and Moss. If Jones can be a 40 point guy like a couple years ago, then that's pretty good and we can put him in front of the net.

If the Flames do worse over the next two seasons, that would really set them up for Connor McDavid in a couple of years, except this team keeps winning instead of tanking to get that first pick.

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#9 Baalzamon
June 27 2013, 05:05PM
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What a pointless trade.

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#10 icedawg_42
June 27 2013, 05:07PM
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I think an important point was the one Kent made concerning "dealing the malcontents" - I think that probably had a LOT to do with this. Sounds like Jones is completely onboard with being part of a rebuild.

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#11 Jeff Lebowski
June 27 2013, 05:09PM
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As I posted elsewhere, this trade doesn't do anything for the rebuild.

Tanguay (and other vets) should net prospects not bad NHLers.

I was hoping Tanguay would be a piece to move up in the draft.

Terrible.

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#14 RKD
June 27 2013, 05:13PM
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Roger Millions is reporting the NYR are interested in Cammy. Hope the return is better than this.

There are a lot of whispers Carolina is willing to trade their first round pick. I wonder if the Flames would trade one of Gio/GlenX to get Carolina's pick then take both Lindholm and Monahan or just stay put take one and try to slot in Corban Knight as their 2nd line center.

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#15 mk
June 27 2013, 05:13PM
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In a way, I'm happy that most recent trades haven't been disasters, but they're all completely...sub-par. Just a little less than I would deem fair value; not enough to hate on, but not enough to be satisfied with.

Oh well - best of luck to Tangs and Sarich. Maybe Tangs will finish his career in Denver like he started.

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#16 Colin.S
June 27 2013, 05:15PM
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This trade doesn't make sense either, but I think we "won" the trade. Jones is still young and though his corsi isn't the greatest he has a chance to still be at least effective for a couple years while Tangauy unless fed Sedin like circumstances probably won't be bouncing back any time soon.

And ANYTHING is better than Sarich as this point.

Wouldn't surprise me if neither of these guys are Flames to start the season either. This may just have been the only team to trade for either one of our players(surprisingly both actually), and Feaster took the only deal to get Tangs/Sarich out of town without the buyout route.

Either way, Jones maybe gets some cushy circumstances here due to our lack of real top 9 forwards after Camms gets traded and puts up some nice counting numbers for maybe a better trade next season.

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#17 mkd087
June 27 2013, 05:16PM
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RKD wrote:

Roger Millions is reporting the NYR are interested in Cammy. Hope the return is better than this.

There are a lot of whispers Carolina is willing to trade their first round pick. I wonder if the Flames would trade one of Gio/GlenX to get Carolina's pick then take both Lindholm and Monahan or just stay put take one and try to slot in Corban Knight as their 2nd line center.

Did he post this on Twitter??

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#18 Mark
June 27 2013, 05:17PM
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Flames win the trade. Combine to get 9 years younger and Tangs is washed up. A pick would of been nice but someone has to put on the skates and follow the all knowing, all powerful, all super.. Corban Knight

Heres to a great weekend. Feaster and co. have my trust at the draft table so far

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#19 Baalzamon
June 27 2013, 05:19PM
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@RKD

What about Backlund and Stajan? I think they both slot in ahead of Knight.

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#20 icedawg_42
June 27 2013, 05:20PM
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Baalzamon wrote:

What about Backlund and Stajan? I think they both slot in ahead of Knight.

Knight will fill out the first 2 lines. Everyone can fight for bottom 6 duties.

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#21 everton fc
June 27 2013, 05:20PM
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RKD wrote:

Roger Millions is reporting the NYR are interested in Cammy. Hope the return is better than this.

There are a lot of whispers Carolina is willing to trade their first round pick. I wonder if the Flames would trade one of Gio/GlenX to get Carolina's pick then take both Lindholm and Monahan or just stay put take one and try to slot in Corban Knight as their 2nd line center.

This is where you scoop Dorsett, as part of a package.

God help us if they somehow get saddled with Richards.

I still don't get why everyone's so high on Knight.

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#22 everton fc
June 27 2013, 05:20PM
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RKD wrote:

Roger Millions is reporting the NYR are interested in Cammy. Hope the return is better than this.

There are a lot of whispers Carolina is willing to trade their first round pick. I wonder if the Flames would trade one of Gio/GlenX to get Carolina's pick then take both Lindholm and Monahan or just stay put take one and try to slot in Corban Knight as their 2nd line center.

Sorry for the double post.

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#23 mk
June 27 2013, 05:23PM
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@everton fc

Because now the dark Knight rises...

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#24 mk
June 27 2013, 05:23PM
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@icedawg_42

Perfect. Its a good thing Kipper retired - Knight can cover goalie too while he's at it.

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#25 icedawg_42
June 27 2013, 05:24PM
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Knight saving the franchise is a bit tongue in cheek...

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#26 wattree
June 27 2013, 05:24PM
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A way to bury the hatchet with Col perhaps?

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#27 Lordmork
June 27 2013, 05:24PM
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Underwhelming return, but I think we were all hoping our veterans would be worth more than this. Getting a bit bigger and a bit younger is good, but jettisoning players who won't commit to a rebuild has to be at the top of the agenda. I'd rather ice a team that's bad but that plays hard & fights to win over a skilled team that doesn't care if we win or lose.

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#28 BurningSensation
June 27 2013, 05:25PM
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Jeff Lebowski wrote:

As I posted elsewhere, this trade doesn't do anything for the rebuild.

Tanguay (and other vets) should net prospects not bad NHLers.

I was hoping Tanguay would be a piece to move up in the draft.

Terrible.

Yeah, obviously Florida and Colorado were just itching to pick up an aging skill winger with no visible defensive abilities or pulse for their top pick.

Seriously, moving up using Tanguay was never going to happen.

If there is good news out of this outside of the fact that both players we got back are better/younger than what we gave up, is that there is clearly no barrier to Feaster and Colorado making a trade because of the ROR signing.

So there is still a chance we could move up to #1....

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#29 Q
June 27 2013, 05:25PM
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Yessssssssssss! Don't let the doir hit your sulky whiney butt on the way out Tanguay! Sweet trade! Bigger, younger and so glad they're both gone! Now it's cammi trade time!

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#30 Sincity1976
June 27 2013, 05:26PM
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I am with Ken on being 'meh' on the trade. But fans should be 'meh' on most trades if both sides did okay for themselves.

O'Brien isn't anything special. But he is an upgrade on Sarich and only gets paid 2-million.

Jones is a decent 3-line RW option who gives you top 6 depth. Plays both wings. Has some size. Things the Flames needs. Also opens up Stempniak getting moved (rumored). He is a marginal downgrade on Tanguay in terms of points. But he is a better 5v5 option, is younger, and brings some size/versatility.

There is nothing wrong with this trade. It is an average Feaster move. Not dreadful. Not a 'knock it out of the park' trade. It is fine. And given who we had to trade fine isn't bad IMO.

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#31 Sapp Macintosh
June 27 2013, 05:27PM
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@icedawg_42

My thoughts exactly.

O'Brien has been a marginal fringe NHLer for some time now and it sounds like Jones is rather...crap.

What is it with this organization trading guys to 'help' them out? Tanguay didn't want to do a rebuild, why send him to Avs? They're closer than the Flames but not really that close.

Other than that, at least Jones is off the books soon. Guess you gotta have somebody playing.

#PLAYOFFSin2014

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#32 RKD
June 27 2013, 05:33PM
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mkd087 wrote:

Did he post this on Twitter??

I haven't checked it out, so I'm not sure but he was on the Fan 960.

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#33 icedawg_42
June 27 2013, 05:36PM
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@RKD

I never saw him tweet on this, but he definitely commented on this on the Fan.

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#34 Justin Azevedo
June 27 2013, 05:40PM
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o'brien and jones are both crap underlying numbers-wise. the team got no better, but no worse as well.

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#35 Willi P
June 27 2013, 05:44PM
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Just a plain old hockey trade IMO. Doesn't happen very often anymore. It's fine by me. Maybe Iggy signs with the Avs now that Tangs is there to feed him the puck.

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#36 Jeff Lebowski
June 27 2013, 05:47PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

Yeah, obviously Florida and Colorado were just itching to pick up an aging skill winger with no visible defensive abilities or pulse for their top pick.

Seriously, moving up using Tanguay was never going to happen.

If there is good news out of this outside of the fact that both players we got back are better/younger than what we gave up, is that there is clearly no barrier to Feaster and Colorado making a trade because of the ROR signing.

So there is still a chance we could move up to #1....

Yeah because I said he would be the central piece in any trade to move up. However, just like Colorado saw value in picking him up another top 4 team might have liked his piece of a larger trade puzzle.

Did I really have to explain that? C'mon man.

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#37 Colin.S
June 27 2013, 05:48PM
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Justin Azevedo wrote:

o'brien and jones are both crap underlying numbers-wise. the team got no better, but no worse as well.

Didn't O'Brien have a half decent Corsi last year, all be it against probably some terrible competition. And if he can be positive on the 5/6 unit that's all that is needed, definitely don't expect him to be higher than the 3rd pairing.

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#38 RexLibris
June 27 2013, 05:50PM
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Looking over Jones' numbers at Behind the Net he looks like a 3rd line LW option at best.

The trade is a win for the Flames by a hair, but it could be a loss if Hartley deploys them improperly.

O'Brien shouldn't play higher than 3rd pairing and Jones needs to stick to the PK and 3rd or 4th line.

He was playing on a more talented team than the Flames and struggled, what his season ahead holds depends greatly on how his skill set is interpreted by Flames coaching and management.

That being said, when one considers that both Tanguay and Sarich have been mentioned by fans as buyout options, I think this is something of a modest win for Feaster.

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#39 BurningSensation
June 27 2013, 05:50PM
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I'm a little surprised this deal isn't being better received. If Feaster had moved out a 3rd line winger with 20 goal ability and a late 20's bottom pair D-man on a reasonable contract for an over 30 winger with declining skills and attitude, and an over 30 D-man with marginal utility to actually play the game we'd be burning down what is left of the Saddledome.

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#40 the-wolf
June 27 2013, 05:50PM
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The trade is underwhelming in the sense that the players we sent out are also underwhelming. Tanguay was never going to net anything significant. He and Sarich wanted out, now they're gone. We're younger, slightly tougher, slightly cheaper. That's a win.

How much cap room does Carolina have? I wonder if they'd take Gio and GlenX straight up for #5? Not sure even that would be enough for a potential future superstar.

If not, maybe for Philly's 1st? Pennsylvania is beautiful country, GlenX could have a nice ranch out there. Or is that too much?

Then take DiPietro for NYI's pick.

That would leave all of our 1st rounders intact plus 2 more for a total of 5 picks in the 1st round.

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#41 Burnward
June 27 2013, 05:51PM
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Love it. David Jones will be a fan favorite by November.

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#42 negrilcowboy
June 27 2013, 05:52PM
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wow i traded my ham and cheese sangwich for your cheese and ham sangwich. well on the positive side the flames rid themselves of alice tanguay.

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#43 Burnward
June 27 2013, 05:54PM
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Except our ham and cheese you have to smell to make sure it's still good to eat...

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#44 Justin Azevedo
June 27 2013, 05:55PM
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yes, but sarich did as well. they both played easy comp and with partners that drive play. basically the only difference between the two is that sob is a little younger and has an extra year on his contract.

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#45 BurningSensation
June 27 2013, 05:58PM
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Jeff Lebowski wrote:

Yeah because I said he would be the central piece in any trade to move up. However, just like Colorado saw value in picking him up another top 4 team might have liked his piece of a larger trade puzzle.

Did I really have to explain that? C'mon man.

We've already had reports that Calgary offered up 3 first rnd picks to Colorado for their 1st overall. Do you honestly think that Tanguay would have magically tipped that exchange in our favour?

Tanguay (and Cammalleri) are simply not pieces that will get us to move up in the draft - anymore than Gagner or Hemsky are going to move Edmonton into the top 4.

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#46 Kevin R
June 27 2013, 06:04PM
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I think any trade that happens will be picked apart where some love the deal & some don't. Typical & not unexpected. Tanguay was a #@*%%@# sourpuss & mailed it in after. Really don't care what we got for him & the bonus is that prior to last year, Jones had 20+ goal seasons back to back. Had injury issues last year & Colorado just out right sucked last year. He's 6'2" & he will hit way more freaking Oilers than Tanguay ever will. Sarich is a friggin warrior, only thing, he's past the best before date. Obrien will give us the same but he at least has a week of shelf life left. This was a housekeeping trade, nothing more, nothing less. Tanguay or Sarich had minimal trade value out there. Let the trades begin!

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#47 Jeff Lebowski
June 27 2013, 06:11PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

We've already had reports that Calgary offered up 3 first rnd picks to Colorado for their 1st overall. Do you honestly think that Tanguay would have magically tipped that exchange in our favour?

Tanguay (and Cammalleri) are simply not pieces that will get us to move up in the draft - anymore than Gagner or Hemsky are going to move Edmonton into the top 4.

I didn't realize that Colorado compromises the entire top 4. Without knowing, what if Tanguay + Glencross + something else (prospect, pick) were used on Nashville or TB.

The point that you fail to recognize is that Calgary use the veteran assets in a way that furthers the rebuild. Not to acquire slightly younger BAD NHLers.

Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

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#48 everton fc
June 27 2013, 06:14PM
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Knight saving the franchise is a bit tongue in cheek...

Got it.

I think it was decent of Feaster to let Tanguay finish his career in Colorado. Classy move. And I don't like Feaster as our GM. But he does seem to have this wierd loyalty to players. Like O'Brien.

Which makes me fear we'll have Lecavlier, Richards, and others, on the roster come autumn.

O'Brien can drop the mitts. That's why he's here. Better scrapper than Sarich. I actually like O'Brien. As a 5/6 option. (Please move Butler!!)

As for Jones. $4mm/season. Madness. But he did have back-to-back 20 goal seasons, and is bigger than Stempniak. But he seems to have had injury issues in 3 of the past 5 seasons. He does seem like a decent guy. Real family guy. Lots of character. He's also big. And fast. Here's hoping Stempniak can go back home to NY State, for if Jones is slated for RW 3rd line, Stempniak's history. Stemp's a decent guy and a good role player. Perhaps he and Cammy going to NYC?? And we end up with Richards... And Dorsett! (Couldn't resist!)

Could Cammy capture a first round pick?

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#49 Smokey
June 27 2013, 06:15PM
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Now.that Calgar and Flames are buddies, I bet next order of biz is Ryan O'Reilly.

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#50 BurningSensation
June 27 2013, 06:17PM
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Jeff Lebowski wrote:

I didn't realize that Colorado compromises the entire top 4. Without knowing, what if Tanguay + Glencross + something else (prospect, pick) were used on Nashville or TB.

The point that you fail to recognize is that Calgary use the veteran assets in a way that furthers the rebuild. Not to acquire slightly younger BAD NHLers.

Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

I know this is hard for you, but Tanguay is not an asset in demand - by anyone, and certainly not by any team drafting in the top 4.

How much of a non-entity was he? We were looking at buying him out. So yeah, keep the dream alive that somehow Tanguay was going to get us a top 4 pick.

We got younger, cheaper, and more talented in this deal. Pure win. No downside.

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