T-shirts and Trade Rumors - Draft Weekend 2013

Kent Wilson
June 29 2013 10:10AM

 

As some of you may already know, we launched the Got Loob? FN t-shirt yetserday. The red version won the vote, so that's what we went with. The link to buy is here.

This is only a limited edition kind of thing, so after a few weeks or a cerain number of orders, we're shutting things down. If the sales go well, we'll look at releasing another design in the near future (Intellectual Honesty??). So get 'em while they're hot because they aren't going to be around for long. Get one for your loved ones, neighbors and any Oilers fans you know.

Trade Rumors

Onto the business at hand. The draft (rounds 1-7) goes tomorrow and already the trade talk is heating up. The Flames, of course, are supposedly in the middle of stuff. Here's the latest...

- Word is the Flyers are offering Braydon Coburn around the league. One swap that has poked its head above water is Coburn and Matt Read plus 11th overall to the Flames for 6th and maybe a roster player (Giordano).

From a Flames perspective, that move doesn't make much sense. Matt Read is a somewhat useful player, but his ceiling is limited and there's certainly no chance of him ever being better than "good". Coburn is 28, $4.5M and a decent NHLer, but that's it. Two okay pieces shouldn't be enough to tempt the Flames to move down out of range of the truly high-end talent in this draft.

- The TSN crowd is saying Cal Clutterbuck is going to be dealt this weekend. The 25-year old is a pending RFA and the Wild have cap problems, so that's likely why he's on the block. Word is Minny would like to move up to the first round in the deal.

Clutterbuck is a little more interesting for Calgary. He's known for his agitation skills and high hit totals, but he's also played in pretty tough circumstances for his club over the last few years and mostly tread water - which is saying something on a team as possession-ally challenged as Minnesota. He's also one of those rare PIM's guys who draws as many penalties as he takes. On top of all that, Clutterbuck is a decent volume shooter who has scored in the double digits every season (except this recent one), despite rarely being played in a scoring role.

Clutterbuck is a useful player from a number of angles and he's only 25 to boot. I'd have no issues if the Flames inquired about him and offered up one of their latter first rounders in exchange.

- There's noise that the Canucks have started to shop Corey Schneider since it's become clear Luongo's big contract is immovable. Edmonton is the whispered destination, which makes a lot of sense, but Calgary should make a call or two as well. Schneider is one of those rare puckstoppers with the sort of numbers (.927 career SV%) and pedigree that makes sense to pay a decent price to acquire. He's also 27, which means he should have more than a few good miles left on the odometer.

It's hard to know just what Vancouver is asking for him, but it's worth a call. I don't think I'd give up 6th overall, but a lot of other assets could be in play.

- Finally Kris Letang has apparently rejected a huge contract offer from the Penguins (for some baffling reason) and is likely on the block as a result. Letang either doesn't want to be in Pittsburgh anymore or he's looking to get in the range of $8M/year as a free agent. 

I have a lot of time for Letang as a defender, but the latter number is crazy. I'm also skeptical he'll look as good outside of Pittsburgh away from Sidney and Geno, which would make a deal of that size seem even more ridiculous in hindsight. In addition, there's no guarantee he'd decide to stick around for any amount of money even if the Flames did acquire him (rebuilding and such), so overall, that's not a tree I see Feaster barking up.   

FN Draft Coverage

Things might get a little nuts around here what with the three first rounders and potential trades and all. Tomorrow the full FN crew will be on call and updating frantically whenever something happens. Thomas Drance of Canucks Army and Robert Cleave of JN (formerly of FN) are on the ground in Jersey and may provide updates or info whenever possible.

Today we are going to finish up the Flames top-15 prospects series and post a few more potential draftee profiles.

 Should be a fun - or at least interesting - weekend.

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#1 schevvy
June 29 2013, 10:37AM
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Fleury to Edmonton would be just about the greatest thing ever.

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#2 negrilcowboy
June 29 2013, 10:52AM
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schevvy wrote:

If it was for Theo it would be a better trade than for Marc-Andre!

was listening to 93.7 pitt radio, sees to be alot of venom towards letang turning down big dough. not alot of love for the flower either.

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#3 negrilcowboy
June 29 2013, 10:58AM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

True, although his problem in the playoffs was mostly an on-ice SH% of about 4.5%. They're mad if that is the reason they are shopping him.

some beantown media types callin seguin another alexandre daigle. apparently not alot of love from some press nembers. peverly also being shopped.

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#4 Willi P
June 29 2013, 10:58PM
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RexLibris wrote:

#6 and Gaudreau for Seguin ought to be an easy trade for the Flames.

Boston could probably get more if they had the time, but the draft is here, and that 6th overall pick is as valuable as it is ever going to be.

I'm not sure if it will be the wisest move long-term, but in terms of playing the percentages, it is the best move right now.

It would be nice to see how JG (if he signs) and #6 look on the Flames but as Justin says, neither may never play a game in the NHL. Tyler has, is and will at a high level. My concern would be that P.C. tells Feaster he has a deal and then pulls the rug out at the last minute. Payback is a bitch.

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#5 negrilcowboy
June 29 2013, 10:21AM
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rumours floating around that schneider is on the block, as for cal clutterbuck the flames desparately need a player of his style.

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#6 bookofloob
June 29 2013, 10:30AM
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The Flames need absolutely everything BUT Cal Clutterbuck

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#7 FireOnIce
June 29 2013, 10:35AM
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Asking price for Schneider is apparently a 1st + prospect. They too probably think that they 'deserve' a top 3 pick + a team's BEST prospect. Fools.

Letang is hard to understand. He says he wants $7M per year, on a long-term deal, so the Penguins offer him that. He rejects it. Must really want to be a Leaf for some reason that NO ONE else knows about. I'm as baffled as everyone else.

No to that deal from the Flyers. They're trying to move up in the draft without losing their top prospects (Schenn, Coutourier). Teams need to be doing more to stick it to these guys. If Feaster can't get a good deal, no one else should be able to. Couts + #11 should be a starter to move into the top 5-6.

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#8 schevvy
June 29 2013, 10:42AM
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Nathan Horton will most likely not be back in Boston, as per Bobby Mac. Tyler Seguin is also on the trading block.

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#10 negrilcowboy
June 29 2013, 10:44AM
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schevvy wrote:

Fleury to Edmonton would be just about the greatest thing ever.

which fluery, theo the attention ho or marc andre the bi lingual bi polar goalie?

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#11 negrilcowboy
June 29 2013, 10:46AM
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schevvy wrote:

Nathan Horton will most likely not be back in Boston, as per Bobby Mac. Tyler Seguin is also on the trading block.

seguin would look good in flames silks, sent them gaudreau and gilles

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#12 schevvy
June 29 2013, 10:46AM
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@Kent Wilson

Doesn't really make much sense to me either, unless Seguin is not happy in Boston. He did struggle in the playoffs, but he's young. If I'm Feaster I'd be asking about him (although the relationship between the teams is probably not good after the Iggy trade fiasco)

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June 29 2013, 10:47AM
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negrilcowboy wrote:

which fluery, theo the attention ho or marc andre the bi lingual bi polar goalie?

If it was for Theo it would be a better trade than for Marc-Andre!

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#14 sincity1976
June 29 2013, 10:48AM
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RE Seguin, the Flames should definitely be in on him if he really is available. That includes giving up the 6-overall.

No idea why Boston would part with him.

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#15 PerpetuallyPineapple
June 29 2013, 10:48AM
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I say make the Canucks suffer with those two goalies, they are definitely not in a power position, make them wait it out until their demands come down. A 1st and a prospect...pfft I wouldn't sniff at that with a 10 foot pole.

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#18 BurningSensation
June 29 2013, 10:56AM
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sincity1976 wrote:

RE Seguin, the Flames should definitely be in on him if he really is available. That includes giving up the 6-overall.

No idea why Boston would part with him.

Totally agree! Seguin for the #6 would be an excellent move. He hits all the right buttons; size, skill, age, development, etc.

Sets up an interesting dynamic with Edmonton and Hall as well.

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#19 schevvy
June 29 2013, 10:57AM
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Seguin is still a pre-apex player (ha!) and still has a lot of maturing and developing to go. But, he is already a very good player and at 21 is right in that age category the Flames are lacking elite players. I would trade pretty much anything to get him, including 6th overall, Backlund, and Gaudreau.

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#20 schevvy
June 29 2013, 10:58AM
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What do his corsi rate and zone starts look like?

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#21 BurningSensation
June 29 2013, 10:59AM
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I wonder if Cammalleri will get any interest this weekend?

I would guess 'No'.

Cammalleri becomes a more valuable trade asset at the trade deadline when most of his $s have been paid out and he is easier to fit into someone's cap situation. There is also more of an 'auction' atmosphere at that point. Unless it is a really good deal (i.e. we aren't eating a portion of his salary, it brings in a 1st, etc.), I don't see him moving out till then.

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#22 negrilcowboy
June 29 2013, 11:01AM
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Totally agree! Seguin for the #6 would be an excellent move. He hits all the right buttons; size, skill, age, development, etc.

Sets up an interesting dynamic with Edmonton and Hall as well.

in the immortal words of hulk hogan AMEN BROTHER.

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#23 please cancel acct
June 29 2013, 11:02AM
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Are you in N Jersey Kent?

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#25 Willi P
June 29 2013, 11:06AM
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Clutterbuck = GlenX lite and will want more money, no thanks.

Seguin, all the way. Doubt they could get him for #6 alone but bet both Boston and Johnny G would be happy if he was added to that deal.

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#27 negrilcowboy
June 29 2013, 11:08AM
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Seguin? His possession numbers are stellar, but he has spent a lot of time with Bergeron over the last few years (who is a possession machine) so I'd have to dig deeper.

any chance feaster and company pay any attention to these numbers, also a package of seguin and peverley for a flames package?

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#29 beloch
June 29 2013, 11:15AM
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Did Seguin lose a foot to a crocodile on a golf course or something? Giving him up is a bizarre move otherwise. Hell, he might still be good playing peg-legged! Yaarrrrr!

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#30 Veggie Dog
June 29 2013, 11:20AM
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Willi P wrote:

Clutterbuck = GlenX lite and will want more money, no thanks.

Seguin, all the way. Doubt they could get him for #6 alone but bet both Boston and Johnny G would be happy if he was added to that deal.

Normally I would be stoked about Seguin, but what about talk of his hip injury being congenital?

If so I would be wary. My first preference would be some magic to move up in the draft, failing that trades for someone like Seguin might be a fall back.

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#31 Veggie Dog
June 29 2013, 11:21AM
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The injury is mentioned here http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2013-06-29/tyler-seguin-trade-rumors-nhl-draft-2013-boston-bruins-nathan-horton in a re-weet from Kent

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#32 Willi P
June 29 2013, 11:25AM
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Like Peverely too. Under utilized in Boston.

Calgary; Stajan+Backlund+Johnny G+1st (not 6th)

Bruins; Seguin+Peverly+Pick?

Sequin @ 5.75 for 6 more years, Peverely @ 3.25 for 2 more years. Gives Bruins cap flex and prospects. Calgary gets 1C potential.

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#33 schevvy
June 29 2013, 11:38AM
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Horton will not be back in Boston next year. I wonder if the Flames go after him in free agency

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#34 Wizard22
June 29 2013, 11:40AM
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Sign Vinny and Horton.(short term but big dollar) Make a trade with Boston. Somehow get a couple dman??? Contend next year. Rebuilds are easy ....

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#35 RKD
June 29 2013, 11:45AM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

I wonder if Cammalleri will get any interest this weekend?

Well Roger Millions reported the Rangers were interested in Cammy but Feaster told the media no teams have called him about Cammy.

I think Seguin is being shopped to make more room to fit in a mega-contract for Rask. If Seguin is as talented as we think he is, he's not going to excel in a bottom six role. Maybe he think he's ready for top 3 or top 6 minutes and Julien wasn't having any of it.

Julien has been known in the past not to play young guys over vets but was forced to with Krug given injuries and how well Krug stepped up.

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#36 FireOnIce
June 29 2013, 11:54AM
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@RKD

In line with your mega-contract comment, someone on TSN (Dreger?) said Rask contract will likely be in the $7M per year range. Bergeron extension will be around $6-7M per year for 6 years.

$13M tied up in 2 (albeit great) players aka 20% of their total cap next season (if they spend to the max). That's bonkers. No wonder they're trading off everything they can.

There are rumours that Seguin parties too hard, and that's the root of his performance issues. In my eyes, that lowers his trade value. Not that I think the partying is an issue, just ask Patrick Kane, Mike Richards, and Jeff Carter.

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#37 negrilcowboy
June 29 2013, 11:55AM
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Well Roger Millions reported the Rangers were interested in Cammy but Feaster told the media no teams have called him about Cammy.

I think Seguin is being shopped to make more room to fit in a mega-contract for Rask. If Seguin is as talented as we think he is, he's not going to excel in a bottom six role. Maybe he think he's ready for top 3 or top 6 minutes and Julien wasn't having any of it.

Julien has been known in the past not to play young guys over vets but was forced to with Krug given injuries and how well Krug stepped up.

firstly, i won't believe feaster if he said good morning, secondly boston shuffling the deck to accomadate bergeron at 6 plus for 8 yrs, and rask. shopping seguin to make cap space. horton is a risk, bad head bad shoulders.

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#38 RexLibris
June 29 2013, 11:59AM
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The Seguin trade thing seems familiar to the Bobby Ryan talk a while back.

That being said, Seguin has had some congenital hip issues at the tender age of 21 and there have been one or two whispers about his attitude here and there. Being on a team with a lot of strong characters and leadership though, this has probably been managed.

I suspect, if the Flames were interested, Boston would ask for a player like Backlund or Baertschi and perhaps the #6.

That might be the ask though, so I'm not dictating what the Flames should look at spending to acquire him.

I wouldn't really recommend it for the Flames, but at the same time I can certainly see the attraction.

What would be really funny is if the Bruins traded Seguin to Toronto for Gardiner and some picks.

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#39 BurningSensation
June 29 2013, 12:01PM
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Rumours are that it is Horton who has indicated he is looking for a fresh start.

I'm with the commenter above who suggested;

- Trade for Seguin

- Sign Horton

- Sign Lecavalier

Rebuild = Done!

(Ok, we'd still need to find a few actual NHL D-men to make the rebuild complete, but it would be much closer!)

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#40 Veggie Dog
June 29 2013, 12:06PM
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@BurningSensation

Haven't we had enough of old over priced vets??????

Vinny- old Horton- Injury Issues Seguin- Maybe a hip condition??

No thanks! We waited this long for a youth movement, no need to bugger it up with the exception of Horton since we have money to burn. Lecavalier will go for too much, and I want no part of Seguin is there is a congenital injury.

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#41 RexLibris
June 29 2013, 12:19PM
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This is hardly a certifiable source, but I recall in one of the recent reports about Lecavalier him saying that he would not play for a Canadian team.

That could have been an old quote back when there was talk of him going to Montreal, but I have to wonder if that sentiment has changed at all.

The Flames might have better luck trying to trade Cammalleri for Richards.

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#42 Veggie Dog
June 29 2013, 12:27PM
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RexLibris wrote:

This is hardly a certifiable source, but I recall in one of the recent reports about Lecavalier him saying that he would not play for a Canadian team.

That could have been an old quote back when there was talk of him going to Montreal, but I have to wonder if that sentiment has changed at all.

The Flames might have better luck trying to trade Cammalleri for Richards.

Geez, I wonder what sort of Tampa redux hijinks Feaster is going to get up to.

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#43 BurningSensation
June 29 2013, 12:28PM
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Veggie Dog wrote:

Haven't we had enough of old over priced vets??????

Vinny- old Horton- Injury Issues Seguin- Maybe a hip condition??

No thanks! We waited this long for a youth movement, no need to bugger it up with the exception of Horton since we have money to burn. Lecavalier will go for too much, and I want no part of Seguin is there is a congenital injury.

Horton isn't exactly an 'old over priced vet', though he does have injury risk.

Lecavalier doesn't have to be 'over-priced' now that his $10m a year contract is out the window. He could be a reasonable cap-hit on decent term (depending on his suitors).

1st line; Lecavalier-Horton-Cammallieri

2nd: Seguin-Baertschi-Hudler

3rd: Backlund-GlenX-Jones

4th: Knight-Jackman-(random guy)

Looks pretty decent to me

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#44 schevvy
June 29 2013, 12:30PM
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Good, I don't want Lecavalier on the Flames. I'd much rather they re-sign Jarome than go after Vinny.

Cammy for Richards would be not good. Cammy only has one year left on his deal, Richards has 20 billion (not really, but a lot of years) . No thanks

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#45 Veggie Dog
June 29 2013, 12:31PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

Horton isn't exactly an 'old over priced vet', though he does have injury risk.

Lecavalier doesn't have to be 'over-priced' now that his $10m a year contract is out the window. He could be a reasonable cap-hit on decent term (depending on his suitors).

1st line; Lecavalier-Horton-Cammallieri

2nd: Seguin-Baertschi-Hudler

3rd: Backlund-GlenX-Jones

4th: Knight-Jackman-(random guy)

Looks pretty decent to me

Its moot I guess, since I doubt Vinny or Richards would be willing to come.

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#46 Wizard22
June 29 2013, 12:34PM
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Veggie Dog wrote:

Haven't we had enough of old over priced vets??????

Vinny- old Horton- Injury Issues Seguin- Maybe a hip condition??

No thanks! We waited this long for a youth movement, no need to bugger it up with the exception of Horton since we have money to burn. Lecavalier will go for too much, and I want no part of Seguin is there is a congenital injury.

I've had enough of old LAZY overpriced vets.

Unfortunately due to a few factors I think we need to overpay to bring a few guys in!

Reasons: 1) Unfair to ask 18-19 year olds to play 1st line minutes. If you dress a bunch of rookies they will get murdered! Ask RNH how his shoulder is? Or Taylor Hall how is skull is?

2) The city is in shambles due to the flood! Not many people are going to want to move to CGY in the next little while (unless they work in construction)

3) Salary cap issues handcuff other team reducing competition. The Flames have lots of room. This factor is reduced next year.

4) Veteran players have been around the league and can be used to as ambassadors to get free agents in the future. Example: Nathan Horton phones up Dougie Hamilton in a few years and tells him how great Calgary is!

I suggest Vinny because he has a connection to Feaster. Horton because he has had injury issues which may lower the number of teams interested.

Seguin is a bit more tricky (Never realized he had hip issues). Its time for Feaster to make a lopsided trade in the Flames favor! If he can do it great if not look elsewhere.

The question I have is: Who is available for free agents under the age of thirty?

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#47 Veggie Dog
June 29 2013, 12:39PM
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Wizard22 wrote:

I've had enough of old LAZY overpriced vets.

Unfortunately due to a few factors I think we need to overpay to bring a few guys in!

Reasons: 1) Unfair to ask 18-19 year olds to play 1st line minutes. If you dress a bunch of rookies they will get murdered! Ask RNH how his shoulder is? Or Taylor Hall how is skull is?

2) The city is in shambles due to the flood! Not many people are going to want to move to CGY in the next little while (unless they work in construction)

3) Salary cap issues handcuff other team reducing competition. The Flames have lots of room. This factor is reduced next year.

4) Veteran players have been around the league and can be used to as ambassadors to get free agents in the future. Example: Nathan Horton phones up Dougie Hamilton in a few years and tells him how great Calgary is!

I suggest Vinny because he has a connection to Feaster. Horton because he has had injury issues which may lower the number of teams interested.

Seguin is a bit more tricky (Never realized he had hip issues). Its time for Feaster to make a lopsided trade in the Flames favor! If he can do it great if not look elsewhere.

The question I have is: Who is available for free agents under the age of thirty?

I guess Lecavalier and Horton can both be had for money alone since they are free agents, so I am okayish with it. If we give up things for Seguin or Richards though, I will be less happy.

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#48 negrilcowboy
June 29 2013, 12:50PM
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richards now way, stay far away from that contract. vinnie wants 5 or 6 mill per for 4 yrs no thanks. target seguin and peverley, kennedy from the pens, maybe pascal dupuis seeing that the pens dont have room for a duce. seek out ference for a couple of years at a coupla mill. del zotto for cammy.

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#49 negrilcowboy
June 29 2013, 12:58PM
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off topic, cornish donated 2 k last night to the flood relief. has anybody heard of any flames players ponying up to donate. the way iggy has been cannonized he would have parted the bow.

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#50 RexLibris
June 29 2013, 01:11PM
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negrilcowboy wrote:

off topic, cornish donated 2 k last night to the flood relief. has anybody heard of any flames players ponying up to donate. the way iggy has been cannonized he would have parted the bow.

I was wondering about Iginla and the flood relief effort.

Maybe he is being quiet about it, but I thought I would have heard about making some donation to the effort or something.

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