T-shirts and Trade Rumors - Draft Weekend 2013

Kent Wilson
June 29 2013 10:10AM

 

As some of you may already know, we launched the Got Loob? FN t-shirt yetserday. The red version won the vote, so that's what we went with. The link to buy is here.

This is only a limited edition kind of thing, so after a few weeks or a cerain number of orders, we're shutting things down. If the sales go well, we'll look at releasing another design in the near future (Intellectual Honesty??). So get 'em while they're hot because they aren't going to be around for long. Get one for your loved ones, neighbors and any Oilers fans you know.

Trade Rumors

Onto the business at hand. The draft (rounds 1-7) goes tomorrow and already the trade talk is heating up. The Flames, of course, are supposedly in the middle of stuff. Here's the latest...

- Word is the Flyers are offering Braydon Coburn around the league. One swap that has poked its head above water is Coburn and Matt Read plus 11th overall to the Flames for 6th and maybe a roster player (Giordano).

From a Flames perspective, that move doesn't make much sense. Matt Read is a somewhat useful player, but his ceiling is limited and there's certainly no chance of him ever being better than "good". Coburn is 28, $4.5M and a decent NHLer, but that's it. Two okay pieces shouldn't be enough to tempt the Flames to move down out of range of the truly high-end talent in this draft.

- The TSN crowd is saying Cal Clutterbuck is going to be dealt this weekend. The 25-year old is a pending RFA and the Wild have cap problems, so that's likely why he's on the block. Word is Minny would like to move up to the first round in the deal.

Clutterbuck is a little more interesting for Calgary. He's known for his agitation skills and high hit totals, but he's also played in pretty tough circumstances for his club over the last few years and mostly tread water - which is saying something on a team as possession-ally challenged as Minnesota. He's also one of those rare PIM's guys who draws as many penalties as he takes. On top of all that, Clutterbuck is a decent volume shooter who has scored in the double digits every season (except this recent one), despite rarely being played in a scoring role.

Clutterbuck is a useful player from a number of angles and he's only 25 to boot. I'd have no issues if the Flames inquired about him and offered up one of their latter first rounders in exchange.

- There's noise that the Canucks have started to shop Corey Schneider since it's become clear Luongo's big contract is immovable. Edmonton is the whispered destination, which makes a lot of sense, but Calgary should make a call or two as well. Schneider is one of those rare puckstoppers with the sort of numbers (.927 career SV%) and pedigree that makes sense to pay a decent price to acquire. He's also 27, which means he should have more than a few good miles left on the odometer.

It's hard to know just what Vancouver is asking for him, but it's worth a call. I don't think I'd give up 6th overall, but a lot of other assets could be in play.

- Finally Kris Letang has apparently rejected a huge contract offer from the Penguins (for some baffling reason) and is likely on the block as a result. Letang either doesn't want to be in Pittsburgh anymore or he's looking to get in the range of $8M/year as a free agent. 

I have a lot of time for Letang as a defender, but the latter number is crazy. I'm also skeptical he'll look as good outside of Pittsburgh away from Sidney and Geno, which would make a deal of that size seem even more ridiculous in hindsight. In addition, there's no guarantee he'd decide to stick around for any amount of money even if the Flames did acquire him (rebuilding and such), so overall, that's not a tree I see Feaster barking up.   

FN Draft Coverage

Things might get a little nuts around here what with the three first rounders and potential trades and all. Tomorrow the full FN crew will be on call and updating frantically whenever something happens. Thomas Drance of Canucks Army and Robert Cleave of JN (formerly of FN) are on the ground in Jersey and may provide updates or info whenever possible.

Today we are going to finish up the Flames top-15 prospects series and post a few more potential draftee profiles.

 Should be a fun - or at least interesting - weekend.

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#51 negrilcowboy
June 29 2013, 01:28PM
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RexLibris wrote:

I was wondering about Iginla and the flood relief effort.

Maybe he is being quiet about it, but I thought I would have heard about making some donation to the effort or something.

not just iggy, but haven't heard from any flame publicly. ference expressed his concern and he was a bruin. from a pr position its terrible.

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#52 RexLibris
June 29 2013, 01:31PM
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@negrilcowboy

The Flames have had PR trouble since the whole flu shot debacle a few years back. I was just surprised that nothing came up from the players themselves.

That being said, I haven't heard from Hall or Eberle either, both of whom spend some off-season time in Calgary.

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#53 FireOnIce
June 29 2013, 01:45PM
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negrilcowboy wrote:

not just iggy, but haven't heard from any flame publicly. ference expressed his concern and he was a bruin. from a pr position its terrible.

I brought this up in a previous article's comments. Iginla has been absolutely silent on the flood. Tried looking for ANYTHING from him, and nothing, not even a "gee, I'm sorry it happened".

Lots of people spoke out about the flood, current and former ex-Flames, but "the greatest captain who ever lived" said nothing.

As far as I can tell, he's done with Calgary. Well good Jarome, because Calgary is done with you.

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#54 FireOnIce
June 29 2013, 01:47PM
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RexLibris wrote:

The Flames have had PR trouble since the whole flu shot debacle a few years back. I was just surprised that nothing came up from the players themselves.

That being said, I haven't heard from Hall or Eberle either, both of whom spend some off-season time in Calgary.

"If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all." Hall + Eberle are probably following this adage. You know, considering they "hate" Calgary.

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#55 schevvy
June 29 2013, 02:03PM
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I'm gonna keep my mouth shut on the Iggy flood debate, because I will defend the guy to no end and will probably say something I'll regret.

I see PM Bouchard is going to free agency, he'll probably be available for cheap. Flames should take a look at him, 1 year for cheap and I think he'll be very beneficial to the team

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#56 Mitch P
June 29 2013, 02:03PM
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Just because someone doesn't publicly comment on a flood doesn't mean he doesn't care or hasn't done something personally that wasn't broadcast on twitter or the media. Not saying Iggy is innocent, but I think he's built up enough currency in town to be given the benefit of the doubt on this one.

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#57 FireOnIce
June 29 2013, 02:10PM
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@Mitch P

(and @schevvy)

Don't think I've forgotten any of his contributions. Iggy WAS the Flames. I loved him, everyone loved him. He had this city's undying adulation. When something like the flood happens though, sometimes it's nice to hear from these people that yeah, they care. Reciprocity is a good thing. I've seen none of that.

That's my part though. No need to continue on, we all have our opinions.

Insofar as this draft/free agency, I'm stoked. This is the beginning of a new chapter in Flames history; things could go very well in the next couple days, or the ship could finally be sunk. Exciting stuff.

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#58 negrilcowboy
June 29 2013, 02:13PM
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Mitch P wrote:

Just because someone doesn't publicly comment on a flood doesn't mean he doesn't care or hasn't done something personally that wasn't broadcast on twitter or the media. Not saying Iggy is innocent, but I think he's built up enough currency in town to be given the benefit of the doubt on this one.

was wondering if any or all the flames players had publicly stated regarding flood. what raised my curiosity was that vinny lecavalier has donated in excess of 8 million to cancer ward at tampa area hospital and apparently is very active in charity work in the city. i am yet to see any of calgary's highest profile celebs even commenting on the flood. perplexing, thought hockey players were character citizens.

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#60 aloudoun
June 29 2013, 02:37PM
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Kent I dont think Barkov gets past 3rd seeing how Tampa is in need of a 2nd line centre. With all these rumours I sincerely hope the Flames don't poach the future (like usual) for the here and now. The way to contend is to build through the draft and get younger, lets hope that continues. I would be more than happy sticking with our 3 picks and having lets say Monahan, Hagg and Rychel when the first round is done. Draft the best players available with the picks we have and we'll be fine.

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#61 Sincity1976
June 29 2013, 02:46PM
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Shannon and Millions are reporting that the Flames are willing to move the 6-overall. But the price is steep and it would require a 1C or 2D.

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#62 Baalzamon
June 29 2013, 02:56PM
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I can't believe what I'm reading. People are actually saying "no thanks" to Tyler Seguin??????????? The guy has never missed more than 8 games in a season, and has finished in the top 3 in team scoring two years in a row.

But yeah, the Flames have no need for a player like that.

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#63 Trianglereverie
June 29 2013, 02:57PM
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1. I'd really rather not Trade Johnny G until we've at least had a chance to see him at a pre-season camp and see how he stacks up against some NHL competition.

Trading guys before we've had a chance to truly develop them has been a problem for us.

2. I really think it would be stupid to trade #6 for anything short of a sure thing first line player. Seguin. Good player but is he truly great? Again there's potential but a lot of questions.

3. I'd be fine if the Flames traded Backlund in a deal for the likes of a Seguin (as long as it doesn't include our 6th overall or Johnny G). Maybe Backs +22&28 for Seguin (i'd be willing to go that far perhaps). I feel like we've given Backs a fair shake and his constant little problems with injuries to the wrist/ankle bother me. If he can have a full season of production without injury I'd be more on board with labelling him untouchable. Unfortunately that has not happened yet. But, I'm definitely thinking if he struggles at the beginning of this season Trade Deadline is going to be an option to try and move him on.

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#64 Austin
June 29 2013, 03:02PM
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Sincity1976 wrote:

Shannon and Millions are reporting that the Flames are willing to move the 6-overall. But the price is steep and it would require a 1C or 2D.

It would have to be Seguin straight up which wouldn't happen.

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#65 BurningSensation
June 29 2013, 03:07PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Sounds like the Hurricanes are targeting Nichushkin. If Barkov can get past NSH at 4, Flames could have him.

The wild card in all this is Nichushkin. If TBay likes him at #3, he could monkey things up so that Barkov might fall past Nsh.

If Barkov is there at #5, I have to believe Calgary moves heaven and earth to swap picks with Carolina.

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#66 Tony
June 29 2013, 03:11PM
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negrilcowboy wrote:

not just iggy, but haven't heard from any flame publicly. ference expressed his concern and he was a bruin. from a pr position its terrible.

If you count tweets there were some:

Dancing Bear

Cammi

Butler

Hanowski

Backs

Begin

Aliu

Janko

Gilles

Can't forget: Looooooooooob

Non-Flame Jeff Schultz was helping out with the clean-up

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#67 Justin Azevedo
June 29 2013, 04:00PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Sounds like the Hurricanes are targeting Nichushkin. If Barkov can get past NSH at 4, Flames could have him.

unless one of drouin jones or mack somehow slips to nsh, barkov is who they're taking.

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#68 BJ
June 29 2013, 04:01PM
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I would love to get Clutterbuck.

What aboutSwapping Markus Granlund for him? With our plethora of undersized forwards I think we could afford to do that.

And I think the Vinny buyout kills any chance of barkov. Tampa would be crazy not to take him.

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#69 Justin Azevedo
June 29 2013, 04:04PM
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@Baalzamon

only thing that concerns me is his hip. I'd like to know more about that.

other than that, no, i'd absolutely take him no matter the cost

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#70 Justin Azevedo
June 29 2013, 04:04PM
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I doubt that would be enough. also, at first blush I'm very meh on clutterbuck

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#71 Franko J
June 29 2013, 04:09PM
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Common sense dictates sometimes the smartest moves a GM can make is to do nothing.

Flames stay the course.

Draft the three best prospects available.

Trade for future picks if possible.

However with internal pressure from management to quicken the re-tooling, Feaster might try to pull of a deal just to save his position with the team.

I just hope the Flames can draft players who will compliment some of the younger players already on the team. For example, if the Flames strongly believe TJ Brodie will be their 1D, then the Flames should either draft or trade for a 2D who can play beside him.

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#72 RKD
June 29 2013, 04:30PM
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I am hearing on the Fan the asking price for Seguin would be Calgary's 1st round pick at #6 and possibly a roster player.

The thing with Monahan, Lindholm, etc. is that you don't know what you have or what they will turn into. However, a lot of players in the top 10 are usually NHL ready.

With Seguin you know what you have and could still be more as he is still really young at 21. He would certainly help our top 6 right away. He had 32 points in 48 games this past season and 81 points in 67 games the year prior. However, this was on really good Boston teams. How good would Seguin be on a team like Calgary? Would he sink or swim? I'm not too concerned about his hip, but I am his attitude. We don't want someone who's going to cause problems or be a distraction. I'm not worried about his partying, Richards and Carter went to LA more of a party town then Philly and won a Stanley Cup.

If Edwards is patient, see what Knight and Monahan/Lindholm or whoever they draft pan out to be, same with Baertschi. After they get some centers they really need a top 2 shut down d-man.

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#73 everton fc
June 29 2013, 04:42PM
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RE Seguin, the Flames should definitely be in on him if he really is available. That includes giving up the 6-overall.

No idea why Boston would part with him.

The Hawks exposed the Bruins on the backend during the Cup Final. Perhaps Gio and something else could get Seguin? Since it looks like Horton wants a move, could you get Horton somehow, with Gio and a little more, and hope he signs? Would you rather have Horton or Seguin, I suppose...

But if Seguin's a huge partier, and we signed O'Brien, who's noted for liking the night life... Is that in the best interest of a rebuild? Perhaps you target Horton?? On Clutterbuck, he's young, and a useful player. Adds instant grit, and is annoying as heck. I'd see what would pry him from Minny.

Would a 1st and Butler get Seguin?! Imagine! What about our 1st and Gio for Seguin, a pick, and a prospect??

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#74 Jino
June 29 2013, 05:01PM
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I can definitely see why Seguin traded - look at Bruins depth at Center: Krejci, Bergeron. Seguin is NOT a winger - he badly struggles at it.

Bruins Depth Chart: http://www.capgeek.com/bruins/depth-chart/

Bruins need cap space & scoring wingers (Horton not signing with Bruins). We have two great (and very affordable) wingers in Glencross & Stempniak. Both are 30+ potential goal scorers.

If we can keep the #6 pick and offer instead: - #22 pick - Glencross or Stempniak - Backlund as their 3rd line center

With Seguin as our 1C, we can take a "bit of a risk" and draft Nichushkin - Elite player potential. I would be happy with Monahan or Lindholm too.

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#75 FireOnIce
June 29 2013, 05:32PM
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Looks like CGY won't be getting Matt Read or Braydon Coburn. Thank god.

via Tim Panaccio ‏@tpanotchCSN

"told the Flyers no longer in the mix for Calgary's No. 6 overall pick. asking price too high"

Encouraging to know that Feaster isn't being pushed around. 1C or 2D sounds about right. Maybe some secondary parts to even out salary.

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#76 FireOnIce
June 29 2013, 05:35PM
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Jino wrote:

I can definitely see why Seguin traded - look at Bruins depth at Center: Krejci, Bergeron. Seguin is NOT a winger - he badly struggles at it.

Bruins Depth Chart: http://www.capgeek.com/bruins/depth-chart/

Bruins need cap space & scoring wingers (Horton not signing with Bruins). We have two great (and very affordable) wingers in Glencross & Stempniak. Both are 30+ potential goal scorers.

If we can keep the #6 pick and offer instead: - #22 pick - Glencross or Stempniak - Backlund as their 3rd line center

With Seguin as our 1C, we can take a "bit of a risk" and draft Nichushkin - Elite player potential. I would be happy with Monahan or Lindholm too.

Wow.

Seguin for #22 + GlenX/Stemps + Backlund, then draft Nichushkin.

I peed myself a little, that's how much I like this suggestion. Welcome to quick rebuild if that actually happened.

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#77 Willi P
June 29 2013, 05:50PM
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GlenX will not waive to be traded. He lives and breathes the culture in AB thus the hometown discount and NMC.

If you can get Seguin for Stempniak, Backlund and 22, I would be all over it. Of course the doctors have to sign of on Seguin first.

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#78 Baalzamon
June 29 2013, 06:27PM
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Seguin has 99 points in 129 games as Bergeron's RW. If that's "badly struggl[ing]", then I'll gladly eat my left shoe.

as for WOWY, if there's a passenger on that line it's Brad Marchand.

Seguin + Marchand: 60.8%

Seguin - Marchand: 57.3%

Marchand - Seguin: 51.2%

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Sequin + Bergeron: 62.0%

Seguin - Bergeron: 54.5%

Bergeron - Seguin: 54.2%

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Marchand + Bergeron: 61.4%

Marchand - Bergeron: 50.2%

Bergeron - Marchand: 57.1%

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Seguin's and Bergeron's numbers with and without Marchand are eerily similar. They made each other better, and both are worse without the other. As a trio, that line basically destroyed all comers.

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#79 BJ
June 29 2013, 06:50PM
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Justin Azevedo wrote:

I doubt that would be enough. also, at first blush I'm very meh on clutterbuck

yeah he will never be more than a bottom 6 forward but we need some guys who can throw some hits and wear down the other teams defense a little.

Our offense produced ok this year but in tight games we were easily boxed out.

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#80 Jino
June 29 2013, 07:01PM
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Willi P wrote:

GlenX will not waive to be traded. He lives and breathes the culture in AB thus the hometown discount and NMC.

If you can get Seguin for Stempniak, Backlund and 22, I would be all over it. Of course the doctors have to sign of on Seguin first.

@Baalzamon. I retract that statement. I guess I was referring to his play in this years playoffs. I don't follow Boston - I actually despise them.

None the less, I still feel he could be someone the Flames could build a future contending team around. I don't think my proposal would be sweet enough. They will want the #6 pick, which is untouchable in my opinion.

I still think he is moved because he does not fit into Bostons dynamic at center.

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#81 LanderW
June 29 2013, 08:45PM
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Goddamn this is one of the reasons why I love hockey. Sure!

Lecav> If he's willing to come here for a low price (4mil or less) then I'd be interested to see how it goes

Schneider> Maybe? I'm a bit more baffled at the Oilers interest.. Dubnyk had a pretty solid save % this past season (.920 in 30 starts) and a .914 in 47 starts the year before.... on two AWFUL oilers teams. If the oilers can bring in a *decent* 2-3 defensemen (Coburn?) and maybe a decent 5-6 defenseman, theyll see that Dubnyk is a good #1. >.>

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#82 schevvy
June 29 2013, 08:59PM
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So the rumor from FOX Sports outta Boston is that Flames and Bruins are discussing a deal that would send Seguin to CGY for Gaudreau and 6th overall pick.

I would do that trade. Thoughts?

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#83 Willi P
June 29 2013, 09:31PM
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schevvy wrote:

So the rumor from FOX Sports outta Boston is that Flames and Bruins are discussing a deal that would send Seguin to CGY for Gaudreau and 6th overall pick.

I would do that trade. Thoughts?

In a heartbeat. Welcome to Calgary Tyler (pending clean medical of course).

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#84 Justin Azevedo
June 29 2013, 10:07PM
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#85 Danglesnipecelly
June 29 2013, 10:14PM
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Willi P wrote:

In a heartbeat. Welcome to Calgary Tyler (pending clean medical of course).

Hate it. Not stoked on Seguin... Been following Gaudreau for a while, really excited for him to be a Flame some day... don't like giving up our 6th either.

Scared to death of what tomorrow will bring.

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#86 Justin Azevedo
June 29 2013, 10:20PM
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why not? gaudreau and the number 6 might not play any games in the nhl ever. seguin is likely an elite 1st liner at this point.

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#87 Danglesnipecelly
June 29 2013, 10:26PM
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Justin Azevedo wrote:

why not? gaudreau and the number 6 might not play any games in the nhl ever. seguin is likely an elite 1st liner at this point.

Is the injury a real concern? Is he a problem in the room? WHY ARE THEY TRADING HIM?

Is it just money?

I know what you're saying and I understand. I just hate turning two high end prospects into one when we need so much help everywhere!

Bah humbug.

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#88 Justin Azevedo
June 29 2013, 10:29PM
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well, if the injury is a real concern, he wouldn't pass the physical. the hardest, and most important thing to get in the nhl is a 1c.

at this point, yes, it looks like it's just money.

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#89 everton fc
June 29 2013, 10:32PM
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Perhaps they move the #6 and Gaudreau for Seguin, then move Gio for Carolina's pick. Then....

Time will tell.

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#90 RexLibris
June 29 2013, 10:40PM
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#6 and Gaudreau for Seguin ought to be an easy trade for the Flames.

Boston could probably get more if they had the time, but the draft is here, and that 6th overall pick is as valuable as it is ever going to be.

I'm not sure if it will be the wisest move long-term, but in terms of playing the percentages, it is the best move right now.

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#91 Baalzamon
June 29 2013, 10:59PM
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In his 3 year career, Seguin has missed a grand total of 9 games. In three full seasons.

The injury is non-existent.

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#92 Danglesnipecelly
June 29 2013, 11:04PM
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everton fc wrote:

Perhaps they move the #6 and Gaudreau for Seguin, then move Gio for Carolina's pick. Then....

Time will tell.

That would make me feel better....

Tomorrow could go down in NHL history as one of the wildest single trade days ever.

Still scared:(

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#93 B_Rock
June 30 2013, 01:13AM
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RexLibris wrote:

The Flames have had PR trouble since the whole flu shot debacle a few years back. I was just surprised that nothing came up from the players themselves.

That being said, I haven't heard from Hall or Eberle either, both of whom spend some off-season time in Calgary.

Both Giordano and Eberle volunteered their time to raise funds...

Http://yycfloodraiser.eventbrite.ca

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#94 primo
June 30 2013, 10:26AM
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NO to the Sequin trade.

At the end of his contract he will be 27 and gonzo.

Gaudreau and 6th pick could be young stars.

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