Flames Last 3 picks of 2013

Kent Wilson
June 30 2013 08:01PM

 

 

With their final three picks, the Flames took a pair of college players and a Russian defender out of the MHL. 

6'3" forward Tim Harrison was chosen 157th overall. Harrison spent his season playing for a prep highschool where he scored 30 points in 17 games. He's committed to Colgate college next year and wasn't even ranked by CSS.

Next up (187th overall), Rushan Rafikov became the first Russian player drafted by Calgary since they took Andrei Taratukhin in 2001. Rafikov is 6'01" and 185 pounds and info on him beyond that is scarce.

Finally, at 198 Calgary chose 20 year old defender Paul Gilmour out of Providence College. At just 5'11" and 185 pounds, Gilmour isn't very big and his offensive numbers are just okay as well. Flames scounts no doubt saw a lot out of Gilmour since he played with Jon Gillies and Mark Jankowski this year.

None of these guys is a prospect of note and probably won't challenge for a pro job, let alone an NHL spot. Still, sometimes a rare late rounder can surprise.

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#51 chillout
July 01 2013, 09:39AM
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I'm really amazed that all you negative nancy's haven't been hired by the flames yet since you all know exactly what each player will turn into.

I love how some of you guys are all BPA but then complain about guys(like janko) saying they should have taken so and so cause we need help now not in 3-5 years. That is the kind of thought train that will get your team to suck. Anyway we're still 2 years away from even beginning to say who turned out better and who we should have maybe picked instead of janko. The free agency market is for you silly help now people, not the draft. There are not that many Crosby's, Ovechkin's or Landeskogs that can come in and help instantly.

So just relax a little and remember the draft is for 2-5 years away in most cases. Let's not worry about how you could have made better picks(you couldn't) and just see how this all turns out.

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#52 DoubleDIon
July 01 2013, 11:19AM
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chillout wrote:

If these guys didn't have significant holes in their games they would be getting drafted in the 1st or 2nd rounds. Anyone can say they could have drafted better in hindsight. From now on I want to see mock drafts from all the people saying they could do better. Full 7 round mock drafts with all the teams making likely picks and not just grabbing all the best players for calgary haha.

Drafting players for their hockey IQ isn't vodoo it is something the flames have started doing because it is more likely to get a player to the nhl than just having a full toolbox. Lots of kids have the raw tools just no freaking clue how to use them and will be forever useless on the ice.

Also we're not talking about the flames last 20 years that's a stupid comparison when you have new people running the show over the last few years.

Anyway the guys we drafted are guys our scouts liked and they had their own rankings. They liked all the guys we picked for specific reasons. Besides we also used a 4th to acquire a pretty decent centreman and a 2nd to grab what seems to be a fairly good goalie so all in all I'd say a good draft.

Why is looking at the past 20 years stupid? Button has been with the Flames since 1997, so it's completely relevant to look that far back. When you tell me Kanzig is a very intelligent player, you aren't using any objective measurement to determine hockey IQ. If you tell me Drouin is hockey intelligent and Kanzig is not, then maybe I'm buying it.

So yes, I think the way the Flames "measure" intelligence is off. If you can't measure "it" then as far as I'm concerned "it" doesn't exist. Baseball used to talk about BS like this too, until the started using measurable analysis they missed much more than they do now.

One question: You said we drafted guys "our scouts" liked. Putting aside our poor draft record, how do you "like" a guy you've never even watched play?

That my friend, is voodoo.

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#53 MC Hockey
July 01 2013, 12:11PM
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Tommynotsohuge wrote:

At first I was livid with Poirier. Shinkurik seemed like the perfect pick, but the more I read into this kid, the more I like him. He was better than a ppg player in the Q. What more can you ask for.

Kanzig is a bit of a stretch, but I'm not pissed. We need an absolute monster in our system. Now we have one.

As for the other guys, who cares. None of us know who any of these guys are anyway. It's a crap shoot after the 2nd round. Our scouts know a Hell of a lot more than we do, so if in three to five years any of these guys play themselves into a lower pairing or 4th line. We should be happy.

I agree, this Poirier kids's video on Flames official site is ridiculous with the skill and speed he has...great lateral moves, patience, great acceleration, and carried a poor team into challenging a much better team in the Q playoffs.

All the homers should be happy Feaster took a Calgarian at 28 and move on.

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#54 Franko J
July 01 2013, 03:33PM
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Poirier sort of reminds of Burrows with the Canucks. An agitator with some skill and competitiveness to his game.

Going into a new conference with the likes of LA, Anaheim, and SJ, the Flames will need more players with some size, grit and compete. The skill will come, but you cannot teach a player's compete level.

While Kanzig might be a head scratcher with the third pick, one thing the Flames do lack is a player in the lineup who will make the opposition accountable for running the goalies and our skill players. Besides maybe they can deploy him on the power play in front of the goalie.

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#55 Robb
July 01 2013, 03:35PM
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Graham wrote:

Maybe my expectations were too high, but I definitely came away from the draft disappointed.

Monahan is likely to be a solid center likely a number 2, but he isn't an elite or franchise player to build around. The elephant in the room being his skating ability, its ok, but not top six in ability. Given what was on the board the Poirier pick was a blunder, the Klimchuk pick was a solid safe pick. I don't mind gambling with the later round picks, few if any of these will ever play in the NHL.

Overall, Feaster couldn't move up, he couldn't package one or more of the picks for a top talent, his first round picks were underwhelming. It's taken Edmonton 6-7 years to rebuild with elite draft picks, the Flames will never finish with prospects they are adding. Feaster deserves a C- for this draft.

First off, the oilers rebuild is not over yet. Ours just started. Second, the " elite" draft picks for the oilers have been taken the last few years, not the first few. It's completely ridiculous to compare our brand new, 3 month old rebuild to their 6-7 year (and counting) rebuild. Our roster is almost certainly going to get us a top 3 pick next season, one that you would call an " elite prospect".

Patience, Flames fans. Many teams made " strange" " off the board" picks. Check out Rob Vollman's tweets from earlier today; he talked about that.

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#56 Thprop1
July 01 2013, 07:20PM
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Holy panic button ...from what I have read Calgary's second was not a reach at all and they had to take him before Mtl had the chance. Outside of Mongo in the third round it was a solid draft from Calgary. Just because one publication hates his skating I'm not ready to crap on the pick..at least until I see he can't skate for myself...lol

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#57 Flames Nation Who?
July 01 2013, 09:58PM
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Per TSN Craig Button, he rated the this year's flames draft performance an A while the other 6 Canadian teams scored a B+ or below. Yet most of you "Flames Nation" rate a B- or worst. Way to go professionals! You guys should take over hockey analysis jobs!

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#58 Flames Nation Who?
July 01 2013, 10:02PM
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@Robb

Patience? These people on here have none of that whatsoever. It seems like whatever the management does, these people will jump on and trash them right away. Even if they trade stajan for crosby, these guys will be like "meh meh meh they should of gotten at least a first round pick with crosby for trading mighty stajan!"

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#59 Flamesboi
July 01 2013, 10:10PM
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@DoubleDIon

Okay fine you're right, late round picks could turn out to be good players too. BUT this is the second day after the draft (let me reinforce that) THE SECOND DAY!!! You people are already shutting doors on all those late round picks. What? Are you guys fortunetellers? You can already tell these kids won't turn out to be decent players? Give them a chance to prove themselves! If they turn out to be a no show in 3 years, by all means, trash all you want

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