Flames Last 3 picks of 2013

Kent Wilson
June 30 2013 08:01PM

 

 

With their final three picks, the Flames took a pair of college players and a Russian defender out of the MHL. 

6'3" forward Tim Harrison was chosen 157th overall. Harrison spent his season playing for a prep highschool where he scored 30 points in 17 games. He's committed to Colgate college next year and wasn't even ranked by CSS.

Next up (187th overall), Rushan Rafikov became the first Russian player drafted by Calgary since they took Andrei Taratukhin in 2001. Rafikov is 6'01" and 185 pounds and info on him beyond that is scarce.

Finally, at 198 Calgary chose 20 year old defender Paul Gilmour out of Providence College. At just 5'11" and 185 pounds, Gilmour isn't very big and his offensive numbers are just okay as well. Flames scounts no doubt saw a lot out of Gilmour since he played with Jon Gillies and Mark Jankowski this year.

None of these guys is a prospect of note and probably won't challenge for a pro job, let alone an NHL spot. Still, sometimes a rare late rounder can surprise.

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#1 Danglesnipecelly
July 01 2013, 12:34AM
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Tommynotsohuge wrote:

At first I was livid with Poirier. Shinkurik seemed like the perfect pick, but the more I read into this kid, the more I like him. He was better than a ppg player in the Q. What more can you ask for.

Kanzig is a bit of a stretch, but I'm not pissed. We need an absolute monster in our system. Now we have one.

As for the other guys, who cares. None of us know who any of these guys are anyway. It's a crap shoot after the 2nd round. Our scouts know a Hell of a lot more than we do, so if in three to five years any of these guys play themselves into a lower pairing or 4th line. We should be happy.

Agree with this... Other than Kanzig, who selfishly I kind of like because now I have a Flames prospect to watch in my home town, who's a beast and a fan fav, the draft went pretty well. I gave it a B. The 3rd rounder could have been used better for sure and I had never heard of Harrison or whatever his name is either but let's be honest, the test was the first round and I think we did pretty well.

Like most I didn't know too much about Poirier but sure like what I have read and seen so far. And let's not forget our 4th rounder turned into Knight.

I'll sleep we'll at night knowing that our scouts have more info than I do, more info than you do, more than Button or McGuire, more than all the online armchairs GM's and more than you Mr. Lambert who I'm sure had a scathing article pre-draft all ready to go just needing player names to insert.

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#2 please cancel acct
June 30 2013, 09:46PM
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Now that we have all the BEST AVAILABLE PLAYERS in the draft,we can all get excited about free agency,and picking up BIG GUYS WHO STICK -UP FOR THERE TEAMMATES.

The circus continues

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#3 jeremywilhelm
June 30 2013, 11:57PM
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A: Feaster doesn't make the list, his scouts and Weisbrod do.

B: beside Jankowski last year this scouting staff (the exact same one for the last 4 years) has done very well in the last 4 years.

So do you really think that the scouting staff just went bananas this year?

Doubtful.

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#4 BurningSensation
July 01 2013, 01:00AM
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I think the Feaster hate is ridiculous.

The Poirier pick caught me by surprise but as soon as you check his highlight reel and stats out you can see he was a legit pick where he went.

Monahan over Nichushkin is very defensible on talent alone, and Monohan has been on the radar forever as a possible 1st overall big pivot center. The internet in Calgary would have broken if we'd taken Nichushkin.

Drafting a coke machine outside of the top 2 rounds? That's not a bad strategy. Call him a project, or just a wait and see as to how the kid fills out that goliath frame, but they had the good sense to take him outside the top 60.

A high school scoring star with size and smarts going to Colgate? Why not? Is it really so hard to believe that he's worth a late draft pick?

The Russian kid is interesting. He played on the U18 team for the Russians and performed well and was described as having moderate skills but an 'insane compete level'. The Flames could use some insane compete level.

And let's not forget Feaster used our 4th rnd pick to get CORBAN KNIGHT.

Overall I like what I see;

- Monahan, the kind of big high-skill two-way pivot you can build a team around.

- Poirier, a big, fast, skill winger who was over a ppg in the CHL, and lead his team in scoring. Kid is tough too.

- Klimchuk might be our homegrown Eberle. Not elite at anything, but a very smart offensive player otherwise good at everything.

- Project Meatbomb

- The Unknown High School Scoring Wiz with size going to smart boy college.

- Intense Russian Defender Guy

- The guy we saw lots because our other prospects are on his team.

- A formerly can't miss kid who unexpectedly missed.

-CORBAN KNIGHT

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#5 negrilcowboy
June 30 2013, 08:26PM
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ah once again feaster proves he is the smartest guy in the room, his bizarre asset management has the entire league reeling. cannot wait to see his schrewd fanangling with the free agent market. retrospectively 3 first rounders were a curse. feaster and his band of fools picked a collection of circus sideshows after the first round.

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#6 chillout
June 30 2013, 08:41PM
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@negrilcowboy

jeez you guys get worked up over 3rd round picks and up. It's ridiculous really, after the second round it gets really unlikely that players will play in the league. So why worry about who gets picked. The scouts obviously see something in these players that are worth taking. It's not feaster who goes out and evaluates the players just so you guys know. You guys can't really say a damn thing until a few years have passed anyway about whether or not a player should have been picked.

To be furious over 3rd rd and up like some of the people who have commented here is just bloody silly. Pretty sure not a single person on here is a scout or has actually seen more than a couple highlights for 95% of the players picked after the 2nd round.

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#7 everton fc
June 30 2013, 08:59PM
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chillout wrote:

jeez you guys get worked up over 3rd round picks and up. It's ridiculous really, after the second round it gets really unlikely that players will play in the league. So why worry about who gets picked. The scouts obviously see something in these players that are worth taking. It's not feaster who goes out and evaluates the players just so you guys know. You guys can't really say a damn thing until a few years have passed anyway about whether or not a player should have been picked.

To be furious over 3rd rd and up like some of the people who have commented here is just bloody silly. Pretty sure not a single person on here is a scout or has actually seen more than a couple highlights for 95% of the players picked after the 2nd round.

Most would conclude Lipon has a better shot at a 3rd/4th line role in the NHL vs. Kanzig.

Fans were expecting too much from the Feaster Regime. I still wonder how you pick Monahan over Nichushkin. At least that's how I see it. But the Flames obviously liked Monahan's two-way game, his leadership ability, and his NHL-ready resume.

It's fun to speculate from the armchair, though

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#8 Baalzamon
June 30 2013, 09:02PM
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Rafikov is interesting. You have to wonder if he's a better guy who fell because of the dreaded "Russian factor".

All in all, the draft was fairly meh--just what we've come to expect from Feaster. Monahan, Klimchuk, and Roy were all good picks. Kanzig was terrible, Harrison was baffling, and Poirier was imprudent (though he could turn out okay). Gilmour seems like a more-or-less worthwhile flier in the 7th, honestly.

I don't like any of the Flames' picks outside the 1st round as much as I like Brett Kulak, though. I suppose that's almost entirely due to the Kanzig selection.

Shocker: no goalies!?!

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#9 FireOnIce
June 30 2013, 09:13PM
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Looking at that CHI/TOR trade for Dave Bolland, I wonder if Feaster couldn't have just saved himself the trouble and parlayed 67, 135, and 157 into Bolland. Or 67, 135, and a mid-end prospect. One can always wonder.

Time will tell. Monahan was the safe pick at 6. Then Feaster went temporarily insane and took Poirier (kid looks fast and scored a bunch of goals). Then back to a safe pick. Then permanently insane.

Unless Feaster has some trade or free agent in mind that's going to knock us all out, very underwhelming. I was super excited for this week but now...

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#10 negrilcowboy
June 30 2013, 09:17PM
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chillout wrote:

jeez you guys get worked up over 3rd round picks and up. It's ridiculous really, after the second round it gets really unlikely that players will play in the league. So why worry about who gets picked. The scouts obviously see something in these players that are worth taking. It's not feaster who goes out and evaluates the players just so you guys know. You guys can't really say a damn thing until a few years have passed anyway about whether or not a player should have been picked.

To be furious over 3rd rd and up like some of the people who have commented here is just bloody silly. Pretty sure not a single person on here is a scout or has actually seen more than a couple highlights for 95% of the players picked after the 2nd round.

i suggest you take a good long look at past drafts and pay close attention to the teams that have success, they dont screw up repeatedly. they pick talent that aids their franchise at both the minor league level as well as the parent team. perhaps you should take a couple of minutes and observe how dale tallon as well as stan bowman used the draft to win 2 cups in 4 years. bickell,and shaw were later picks, lucic was 50th overall, bergeron a second round. crawford etc. so chillout chillout.

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#11 DoubleDIon
June 30 2013, 09:37PM
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chillout wrote:

jeez you guys get worked up over 3rd round picks and up. It's ridiculous really, after the second round it gets really unlikely that players will play in the league. So why worry about who gets picked. The scouts obviously see something in these players that are worth taking. It's not feaster who goes out and evaluates the players just so you guys know. You guys can't really say a damn thing until a few years have passed anyway about whether or not a player should have been picked.

To be furious over 3rd rd and up like some of the people who have commented here is just bloody silly. Pretty sure not a single person on here is a scout or has actually seen more than a couple highlights for 95% of the players picked after the 2nd round.

The reason we get "worked up" is because you can get some pretty good players in later rounds. We've gotten Brodie, Gaudreau, Lombardi, Moss, Brossoit, Arnold, Holland, Reinhart, Ortio, Bouma, Pardy, Prust ect. in the later rounds. We've actually done much better in later rounds than we have in early ones.

For the record, I loved several of those picks when we made them. Notably, Reinhart, Prust, Brodie, Gaudreau and Lombardi.

Not evaluating each pick is like driving with your eyes closed and hoping for good results. You might get lucky occasionally, but you mostly just make a mess of things.

The later rounds this year weren't very good IMO. Seemed like they just happened to see players at points because they were looking at someone else and asked their coaches about them. I'm not sure how you pass on Cammaratta, Lipon, Buchnevich, Duclair, Yakimov and Lodge to take a guy who is terrible at the major junior level.

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#12 Franko J
June 30 2013, 09:41PM
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A draft which was pivotal to the future of this franchise was very underwhelming.

Once again I'm left wondering if this scouting staff and management really have any idea how to draft.

Outside of the 6th pick, the rest of the players selected in this draft will highly unlikely ever play at a consistent level in the NHL. Maybe time will prove me wrong but optically it appeared the Flames were so focused in getting the first three picks right that they wasted the next five.

Usually I'm excited by player selections from 3 to 7, and this draft's player selection by the Flames seemed to be wasted. No hidden gems this year.

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#13 chillout
June 30 2013, 09:55PM
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@DoubleDIon

Fair enough but what I am basically saying is that you're not a scout and maybe the flames scouting staff saw something they wanted in these guys. Why would they go after cammarata when they have a Gaudreau. Can't have too many guys under 5'8" on the team. Every single one of the guys you just mentioned have major holes in their games so they are all just a crap shoot. Maybe the flames feel that the guys the took project better at an nhl level then these other guys.

I've seen more than a few players who were actually pretty awesome at the jr. level who just didn't make the jump to the pro's. So let's just wait and see before we totally dump on the picks.

I'm not saying that there are not players I would have picked prior to these guys but let's just see how things pan out before crying foul.

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#14 ColinS
June 30 2013, 10:03PM
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So just gonna go ahead and rate this draft a a C-, probably the worst under Feaster so far.

The 6 overall was a no-brainer. The 22nd makes sense if Montreal was going to take the kid and Feaster was high on him, but still, a bit of a reach. The 28th another decent pick. I like the first round, ALL forwards, no D or Goalies, but then Feaster went off the rails in the third, WTF!

Yup most third rounders don't acheive much at all, but at least give your self a chance with that pick. At least pick a risky pick, someone with upside. The Roy pick was nice, but again some big concerns there.

And then the last three picks, I don't even, another High Schooler(at least they didn't make him a first rounder), A Russian and a buddy of your two other draftees. At least with these three they used their late round picks as thats what they should be used for, most of these guys won't even make it to the AHL, never mind the AHL, don't have a problem with them using it on just about anyone.

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#15 everton fc
June 30 2013, 10:35PM
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They better hope Monahan pans out.

We should have known Feaster's capable of some wierd stuff with the Jankowski pick - one I'll never understand, or support.

Lipon is a far better prospect than Kanzig, Chillout. I'd say Roy is, too. And he was available at 135. Duclair's on the slightish-side, but I like him over Kanzig. Not to mention Yakimov.

If Nichushkin comes even close to being like Ovechkin in any way... The Flames missed a grand opportunity when he fell in their laps. A lot of people weren't so high on Monahan in the WJCs. His skating is "good"; Nichushkin "has the ability to skate through a whole team," according to one scout.

Yet a lot of teams passed on the big Russian. So who knows. Monahan appears to be a decent playmaker. Let's hope he's not the next Nemisz.

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#16 Tommynotsohuge
June 30 2013, 10:47PM
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At first I was livid with Poirier. Shinkurik seemed like the perfect pick, but the more I read into this kid, the more I like him. He was better than a ppg player in the Q. What more can you ask for.

Kanzig is a bit of a stretch, but I'm not pissed. We need an absolute monster in our system. Now we have one.

As for the other guys, who cares. None of us know who any of these guys are anyway. It's a crap shoot after the 2nd round. Our scouts know a Hell of a lot more than we do, so if in three to five years any of these guys play themselves into a lower pairing or 4th line. We should be happy.

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#17 jeremywilhelm
June 30 2013, 10:54PM
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You guys are being so ridiculous I feel as if I stumbled onto CalPuck.

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#18 wattree
June 30 2013, 11:16PM
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Look on the bright side, no goalies.

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#19 Baalzamon
June 30 2013, 11:57PM
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Anyone else think that Rafikov might end up being a real good one? Granted, I know next to nothing about him, but he put up 5 assists in 7 games at the U18's (10 PIMs, +6), and he's apparently a great skater and good at both ends. I don't know, the fact that he's Russian makes me think he might have dropped.

Kanzig was brutal and Harrison was confusing. Outside of that though... there's the potential for this draft to be salvageable (admittedly not what I was hoping to be saying at this point).

Roy is a good pick in the 5th round. While I don't like him as much as Brett Kulak, I like him more than Ryan Culkin, so that's something. I like Klimchuk; nothing to get excited about, but a good, solid prospect.

Then of course there's Monahan. The Flames could not have made a better pick with the players available, full stop (obviously my opinion). Yeah yeah, Nichushkin's got the tools. But where are the results? Monahan plays like Jeff Carter, and he's had better offensive results so far playing with less help.

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#20 Colin
July 01 2013, 12:30AM
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@Baalzamon

I agree and think there is potential for the draft to be Salvagable, but right now, it just looks bad and a lot of reaching, more high school kids that no one has ever heard of, obscure Russians and face punchers drafted way to high.

I think it just doesn't sit right because A LOT of the picks here seem to remind me of the Jankowski pick last year. Looking in some obscure place to select a "sleeper" pick to make you look smarter than you are. Eventually Feaster might hit on one of those picks, but he'll probably be replaced long before he sees those results. Or reaching for picks and then saying he had that guy ranked a lot higher........

I know it's not fun to have the Safe draft, this draft makes a lot more talking points(especially for Kent and the gang to look into these obscure picks) but Feaster and gang need to stop trying to be "smarter" than everone else and sometimes just take a conventional pick.

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#21 Burnward
July 01 2013, 01:57AM
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All in all, solid day for the franchise.

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#22 Burnward
July 01 2013, 02:05AM
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And can everyone get off the "Jankowski is the worst pick ever" train for a while?

We knew he was a project, let's at least give him a chance. Over the next two years he will fill out and either reach the potential they saw in him or not.

Calling him a bust before that point is absolutely ridiculous.

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#23 FireOnIce
July 01 2013, 02:32AM
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Burnward wrote:

Anyone else think that if Jay Feaster looked like Steve Yzerman, he would be given a lot more respect.

He is far from a horrible GM...and has had solid drafts.

Actually, I'm pretty sure ol' Flyin' Jay has lost some lbs. He was noticeably slimmer.

Steve Yzerman was handed a team, then banked all their hopes on two post-apex goalies who played like crap (Roloson + Garon). He's not exactly GM of the year material. His respect comes from being a player and a captain. The money-maker's probably only a part of it.

That said, studies show that fat people, people with glasses, etc. have a harder time getting jobs and stuff because people subconsciously judge these types.

Whole different subject though.

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#24 Flamesboi
July 01 2013, 02:42AM
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Wow very typical Flames Nation editors and readers. "oh that stupid feaster guy screws up again!!! How can he not pick crosby material in the SEVENTH round? Gosh I could of done a much better job!" Really guys? you really have that much expectation on the seventh round picks? Unbelievable!!!

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#25 cunning_linguist
July 01 2013, 02:43AM
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jeremywilhelm wrote:

A: Feaster doesn't make the list, his scouts and Weisbrod do.

B: beside Jankowski last year this scouting staff (the exact same one for the last 4 years) has done very well in the last 4 years.

So do you really think that the scouting staff just went bananas this year?

Doubtful.

Exactly right. And even the Jankowski pick is of a value we have yet to determine (don't forget that this value is equal to the sum of Janko + Sieloff).

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#26 chillout
July 01 2013, 09:39AM
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I'm really amazed that all you negative nancy's haven't been hired by the flames yet since you all know exactly what each player will turn into.

I love how some of you guys are all BPA but then complain about guys(like janko) saying they should have taken so and so cause we need help now not in 3-5 years. That is the kind of thought train that will get your team to suck. Anyway we're still 2 years away from even beginning to say who turned out better and who we should have maybe picked instead of janko. The free agency market is for you silly help now people, not the draft. There are not that many Crosby's, Ovechkin's or Landeskogs that can come in and help instantly.

So just relax a little and remember the draft is for 2-5 years away in most cases. Let's not worry about how you could have made better picks(you couldn't) and just see how this all turns out.

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#27 MC Hockey
July 01 2013, 12:11PM
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Tommynotsohuge wrote:

At first I was livid with Poirier. Shinkurik seemed like the perfect pick, but the more I read into this kid, the more I like him. He was better than a ppg player in the Q. What more can you ask for.

Kanzig is a bit of a stretch, but I'm not pissed. We need an absolute monster in our system. Now we have one.

As for the other guys, who cares. None of us know who any of these guys are anyway. It's a crap shoot after the 2nd round. Our scouts know a Hell of a lot more than we do, so if in three to five years any of these guys play themselves into a lower pairing or 4th line. We should be happy.

I agree, this Poirier kids's video on Flames official site is ridiculous with the skill and speed he has...great lateral moves, patience, great acceleration, and carried a poor team into challenging a much better team in the Q playoffs.

All the homers should be happy Feaster took a Calgarian at 28 and move on.

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#28 Flames Nation Who?
July 01 2013, 09:58PM
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Per TSN Craig Button, he rated the this year's flames draft performance an A while the other 6 Canadian teams scored a B+ or below. Yet most of you "Flames Nation" rate a B- or worst. Way to go professionals! You guys should take over hockey analysis jobs!

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#29 Flames Nation Who?
July 01 2013, 10:02PM
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@Robb

Patience? These people on here have none of that whatsoever. It seems like whatever the management does, these people will jump on and trash them right away. Even if they trade stajan for crosby, these guys will be like "meh meh meh they should of gotten at least a first round pick with crosby for trading mighty stajan!"

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#30 sathome
June 30 2013, 08:09PM
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Corey Pronman seemed fairly positive on Rafikov.

"Really liked him when I watched him. Mobile defenseman with good hands and quality play at both ends."

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#31 chillout
June 30 2013, 09:19PM
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@everton fc

That might be true, but would you rather draft a mediocre guy who may never make it or a freakish human being who will probably never make it but if he has the drive and the guts to improve his skating then could be something? Personally in the third round I'd go with the freak and try to ingrain it into him that if he ever wants to play then his skating has to come up by leaps and bounds. Hell I'd even enroll the monster in figure skating for half the summer every summer for the next 3 years. Turn him into the most graceful 240lb player you've ever seen.

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#32 Vowswithin
June 30 2013, 11:26PM
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wattree wrote:

Look on the bright side, no goalies.

After we got past our 4th pick i thought the exact same thing.

We did get Monahan a 2 way player, and two decent enough other 1st After that Roy seems the only decent pick.

This could have been way worse, and we can likely still suck ourselves into a top 3 pick next year. We will be playing mostly young guys.

None of which excuses the feaster late picks but ther could always be worse.

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#33 Franko J
June 30 2013, 11:27PM
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wattree wrote:

Look on the bright side, no goalies.

To add to that:

Leading up to the draft I thought there was plenty of great opinions and comments from many of fans at FN which I enjoyed reading.

Hopefully at next years draft we will be discussing who the Flames will take with the first overall selection.

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#34 Baalzamon
June 30 2013, 11:59PM
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On a completely different note, does anyone else think Klimchuk looks cross-eyed in his pictures? There's something odd about his eyes...

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#35 DoubleDIon
July 01 2013, 12:49AM
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chillout wrote:

Fair enough but what I am basically saying is that you're not a scout and maybe the flames scouting staff saw something they wanted in these guys. Why would they go after cammarata when they have a Gaudreau. Can't have too many guys under 5'8" on the team. Every single one of the guys you just mentioned have major holes in their games so they are all just a crap shoot. Maybe the flames feel that the guys the took project better at an nhl level then these other guys.

I've seen more than a few players who were actually pretty awesome at the jr. level who just didn't make the jump to the pro's. So let's just wait and see before we totally dump on the picks.

I'm not saying that there are not players I would have picked prior to these guys but let's just see how things pan out before crying foul.

I'd like 50 Gaudreau's in all honesty. Any time I can turn a 4th rounder into a 1st I'm all for it. Rumor had Boston asking for him directly in a Seguin deal. No one was banging on our door for Nemisz and he was a 1st rounder. BPA, you can move elite prospects with incredible ease. No one wants a future ECHLer who is 6'3" 220.

True, I'm not a scout, but honestly most of us here could do a better job historically than the Flames have the past 20 years just by drafting Bobby Mac's list with a couple of variations. I can honestly say the guys I've wanted have done better than the guys the Flames took. Most of us here can claim that and be 100% truthful about it.

This organization is constantly out-smarting themselves with voodoo methodology talking about things like "hockey IQ." I actually heard Button talk about what a smart player the neandrathal we took in the third round is. Give me a freaking break.

Btw, many of the guys I listed are very complete players. Cammarata is small, one is russian, but where are the "holes" in Lipon's game? I've seen a lot of him since I have WHL season tickets for both the Tigers and Broncos. I certainly haven't noticed any holes.

If we're being honest here, our best picks have all very noticeable pre-draft holes with the exception of Phaneuf. Bartschi couldn't play defense, Gaudreau was too small, Brodie too weak, Backlund was injured ect. Filling in holes is why there is a player development process.

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#36 DoubleDIon
July 01 2013, 12:54AM
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Tommynotsohuge wrote:

At first I was livid with Poirier. Shinkurik seemed like the perfect pick, but the more I read into this kid, the more I like him. He was better than a ppg player in the Q. What more can you ask for.

Kanzig is a bit of a stretch, but I'm not pissed. We need an absolute monster in our system. Now we have one.

As for the other guys, who cares. None of us know who any of these guys are anyway. It's a crap shoot after the 2nd round. Our scouts know a Hell of a lot more than we do, so if in three to five years any of these guys play themselves into a lower pairing or 4th line. We should be happy.

Me too on Poirier. I still would rather have Shinkaruk any day of the week. But I'm less choked than I was. I didn't mind the other two first rounders.

Hated every subsequent pick except for Eric Roy. We just threw darts at a board. The 2011 model when we had no top 60 picks we did a brilliant job in the scouting process. It seems to me not enough people went to see these kids when your head scout readily admits only one guy saw one of our picks and that we didn't even see the 7th rounder, just went with Kravchuk's word.

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#37 SmellOfVictory
July 01 2013, 01:10AM
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Kind of hard to hate any kind of picks past the 3rd round, given what a crapshoot it is.

The first four picks were okay/not perfect, though. Monahan was fairly safe, but Nichushkin will probably end up the better player (that said, I fully understand taking Monahan); rather than Poirier and Klimchuk I'd rather have had Shinkaruk and Petan, but we'll see how that pans out. And of course, Kanzig looks pretty rough as a pick. You want a big, not-that-useful dman? That's what Chris Breen is for.

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#38 Colin
July 01 2013, 01:15AM
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@DoubleDIon

"This organization is constantly out-smarting themselves with voodoo methodology talking about things like "hockey IQ." I actually heard Button talk about what a smart player the neandrathal we took in the third round is. Give me a freaking break."

As an example, when we took Jankowski last year, there was a guy on the board we could have easily had in Teravainen. Jankowski had an alright first season in the NCAA and is still really young and we truly don't know his ceiling, however after getting drafted all Teravainen has donewas almost double his point totals in the SM-Ligga.

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#39 Derzie
July 01 2013, 01:19AM
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I understand wanting to praise Feaster, being our guy and all, but today was yet another embarrassing show of 'I'm smarter than you' by Feaster and crew. He and Gillis are the bottom 2 GMs right now as far as laughing stocks go. Maybe these goofball (except Monahan & Klimchuck) picks will work out. Who knows. BUT we as a fanbase don't need pig-in-a-poke gambles right now. We need highest probability of success. Take the ranked guy for crying out loud. We all know drafts are a crapshoot but play the odds for cripes sake.

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#40 Danglesnipecelly
July 01 2013, 01:35AM
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I may be late to the party on this but had thought originally that Poirier was a LW but according to him in his interview on the Flames site he's a RW. So small bonus there seeing as how we have so many LW prospects.

Just finished watching some YouTube highlights... DAMN that kid has wheels! And he says he wants to work on his quickness...

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#41 DoubleDIon
July 01 2013, 01:59AM
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Teravainen is the exact guy we should have taken last year. I would have been happy with Girgensons or Ceci too. Even guys like Maatta, Gaunce or Collberg wouldn't have been brutal picks.

I'd love it if we stopped drafting high school players all together unless they come from elite prep school programs like Shattucks.

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#42 Burnward
July 01 2013, 02:01AM
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Anyone else think that if Jay Feaster looked like Steve Yzerman, he would be given a lot more respect.

He is far from a horrible GM...and has had solid drafts.

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#43 Colin
July 01 2013, 02:21AM
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That Coke Machine has already filled out his frame, he's 6'7" 240 pounds, he gets any bigger and he's going to lose whatever little mobility he has. For exmple Chara is 6'9" and 255.

The big issue isn't the fact they took him, it's when, I'm sure glad they had the sense to take him outside the top 60, but they should have had the good sense to take him well outside the top 120. Yeah his size is impressive, but thats about all he has going for him from all reports. As big as a project as this kid is going to be, you can find a lot smaller projects that have much bigger potential in the third round.

As for the Highschool kid, there are lots of kids that can tear up high school and have decent size, Here's a list for US high Schools, http://www.eliteprospects.com/league.php?season=2012&leagueid=USHS&sort=&leagueteam=&nation=&name=&order=PPG second kid on that list is 6'3 and has more than 2.0ppg and he didn't get drafted. Again I don't mind the gamble on what they feel is a hidden gem kinda guy, it's just one of those things like last year where drafting Jankowski irked people cause Feaster and Co had the aura that they were smarter than everyone cause they found Jankowski.

They seem to be drafting these kids in odd places where it is incredibly hard to see why the need for that high of a draft position. Coke Machine could easily have been the fifth rounder. The HS kid a seventh. I get the kid we got at 22, people have been saying Montreal was high on him and might have reached for him fearing he wasnt going to last till their next pick after the first round.

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#44 FireOnIce
July 01 2013, 02:24AM
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I don't think anyone has labeled Jankowski as a bust quite yet. The issue is that there were obviously better players available when the Flames went to pick, and they went off board and picked someone that no one knew about because "they're the ones who run the Flames, not us, so who's smarter?". Then had the gall to say he was going be one of the best of his draft class... when he plays in 4 or 5 years, likely when Feaster isn't around anymore.

With their top pick in the 2012 draft, they took a huge risk. It wasn't a "Nichushkin might run to the KHL" risk, it was a "Nobody's ever heard of this kid, we've been up all night smoking crack in the hotel room and think this is a great idea" risk. Even if you're not in rebuild mode, you have to know that at SOME POINT your star players are going to leave/retire. When you can afford to have players develop for several years, by all means take a flyer on a high-risk, high-reward player, but not in the first round, and definitely not when your cupboard is bare.

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#45 FireOnIce
July 01 2013, 02:28AM
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Also, Frolik was dealt to the Jets for picks 74 and 134.

Flames had picks 67 and 135.

For the life of me, I can't understand why Michael Frolik isn't a Flame.

Ditto for Dave Bolland.

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#46 Colin
July 01 2013, 02:32AM
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DoubleDIon wrote:

Teravainen is the exact guy we should have taken last year. I would have been happy with Girgensons or Ceci too. Even guys like Maatta, Gaunce or Collberg wouldn't have been brutal picks.

I'd love it if we stopped drafting high school players all together unless they come from elite prep school programs like Shattucks.

Very big MEH to Girgensons, I don't think his offensive ceiling is very high, he got to the AHL this year and I think he's around .25ppg, Brodie as a defensmen had a higher ppg than that in his first AHL season(though Brodie was a bit older). Gaunce as well didn't improve a whole lot either over the previous year and reading on the Canucks site, most people seem to think third line ceiling for him. Teravainen was the no brainer pick.

I really like Jankowski, I'm on the minortiy side I think in that, I didn't mind that pick and for the teams sake really hope it works out. Cauase if it doesn't work out and Terevainen lights it up for Chicago the team and scouting department is gonna look really silly. Because before the pick was traded I remember the TSN/SN and everybody else saying that Terevainen was the easy, easy choice as I think he was rated top 10 and most were surprised he had fallen that far already.

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#47 Burnward
July 01 2013, 02:34AM
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I understand all this, don't get me wrong.

However, they have been able to identify talent in the draft so there had to be a reason.

I'm just tired of the blind hate from people who have never seen him play (I assume 98 percent of those who call it a brutal pick, haven't) is all, I suppose.

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#48 Burnward
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I get a "Piggy" from Lord of the Flies vibe regarding the hate for Feaster.

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#49 DoubleDIon
July 01 2013, 02:53AM
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jeremywilhelm wrote:

A: Feaster doesn't make the list, his scouts and Weisbrod do.

B: beside Jankowski last year this scouting staff (the exact same one for the last 4 years) has done very well in the last 4 years.

So do you really think that the scouting staff just went bananas this year?

Doubtful.

I actually agree with comments A and B. But yes, I do think the staff struggled this year to meet the demands of our draft.

We don't usually have to know the start of the 1st round, the end of it and the rest of the draft.

I really feel like the didn't have a handle on the later rounds this year because so much was invested in the 1st round. They (Todd Button) said on 960 today that one player was picked with no one in the organization seeing him (the russian), and one player was picked with only one scout seeing him (the high schooler).

I don't know if you call that going bananas or not, but it's definitely not quality scouting.

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#50 DoubleDIon
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Flamesboi wrote:

Wow very typical Flames Nation editors and readers. "oh that stupid feaster guy screws up again!!! How can he not pick crosby material in the SEVENTH round? Gosh I could of done a much better job!" Really guys? you really have that much expectation on the seventh round picks? Unbelievable!!!

Flamesboi is awfully close to fanboy. Lots of 7th rounders play in the NHL. Of our last three drafts I'd say guys picked in the 4th or later rounds who have a shot at the NHL are:

Holland (Lock) Arnold (Lock) Brossoit Ferland (Looking less likely now) Gaudreau (lock) Kulak Culkin Deblouw

So throwing those picks out is rank stupidity. I do have expectations of 4th-7th round picks panning out. Good organizations like Detroit, Chicago and Ottawa have it happen consistently.

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