Flames Last 3 picks of 2013

Kent Wilson
June 30 2013 08:01PM

 

 

With their final three picks, the Flames took a pair of college players and a Russian defender out of the MHL. 

6'3" forward Tim Harrison was chosen 157th overall. Harrison spent his season playing for a prep highschool where he scored 30 points in 17 games. He's committed to Colgate college next year and wasn't even ranked by CSS.

Next up (187th overall), Rushan Rafikov became the first Russian player drafted by Calgary since they took Andrei Taratukhin in 2001. Rafikov is 6'01" and 185 pounds and info on him beyond that is scarce.

Finally, at 198 Calgary chose 20 year old defender Paul Gilmour out of Providence College. At just 5'11" and 185 pounds, Gilmour isn't very big and his offensive numbers are just okay as well. Flames scounts no doubt saw a lot out of Gilmour since he played with Jon Gillies and Mark Jankowski this year.

None of these guys is a prospect of note and probably won't challenge for a pro job, let alone an NHL spot. Still, sometimes a rare late rounder can surprise.

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#51 Robb
July 01 2013, 02:59AM
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Geez...I honestly can't believe all the hate. Are you people ever happy with anything? Yes, I wanted Shinkaruk too but we weren't the only team to pass on him so it's not Jay Feaster playing "I'm smarter than everyone else." We weren't the only team to go off the board on some picks or ignore some " highly touted" players either.

There is a reason the draft is held instead of just having all of the teams pick names from a collective list. I've heard Shinkaruk had attitude problems and said in his interviews that he was "the best player in the draft." I have no idea if these things are true but if it is, I don't want that attitude on my team.

Also, I've seen some of you mention this but it is worth repeating. We have had several solid drafts now in a row. Give them the benefit of the doubt. Give them credit for taking the players they think could turn into something instead of making " safe picks" or " playing the odds".

Our rebuild is all of 3 months old. The oilers' rebuild is 6 or 7 years old (and counting). Give the kids time and patience, especially Jankowski. Our drafting was probably the worst in the league for the last 15 years ( excluding the last number of years) and people are still hating now that they seem to have drastically improved.

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#52 Ed wailin'
July 01 2013, 04:29AM
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Final grade: B-

Playing the odds is fine, especially in the first, but imo the late rounds are for gut feeling choices. We need some bold choices to get out from behind the sutter 8 ball. If they've done the due diligence im ok with all the late round choices. Johnny hockey is a prime example.

Also, heart, drive, smarts, team chemistry, and the deadly "Tim Erixson factor" need to be accounted for in some form... the x factors not accounted for when you are strictly taking picks straight off the board.

So good on feaster for at least sticking to his list. However bannanas that list may be...

Darryl thinking he was the smartest GM in the room is what got us here in the first place. Let us not forget. I'll save starting to chisel feasters grave stone till after we see what janko turns out to be.

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#53 Graham
July 01 2013, 09:08AM
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Maybe my expectations were too high, but I definitely came away from the draft disappointed.

Monahan is likely to be a solid center likely a number 2, but he isn't an elite or franchise player to build around. The elephant in the room being his skating ability, its ok, but not top six in ability. Given what was on the board the Poirier pick was a blunder, the Klimchuk pick was a solid safe pick. I don't mind gambling with the later round picks, few if any of these will ever play in the NHL.

Overall, Feaster couldn't move up, he couldn't package one or more of the picks for a top talent, his first round picks were underwhelming. It's taken Edmonton 6-7 years to rebuild with elite draft picks, the Flames will never finish with prospects they are adding. Feaster deserves a C- for this draft.

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#54 chillout
July 01 2013, 09:14AM
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@DoubleDIon

If these guys didn't have significant holes in their games they would be getting drafted in the 1st or 2nd rounds. Anyone can say they could have drafted better in hindsight. From now on I want to see mock drafts from all the people saying they could do better. Full 7 round mock drafts with all the teams making likely picks and not just grabbing all the best players for calgary haha.

Drafting players for their hockey IQ isn't vodoo it is something the flames have started doing because it is more likely to get a player to the nhl than just having a full toolbox. Lots of kids have the raw tools just no freaking clue how to use them and will be forever useless on the ice.

Also we're not talking about the flames last 20 years that's a stupid comparison when you have new people running the show over the last few years.

Anyway the guys we drafted are guys our scouts liked and they had their own rankings. They liked all the guys we picked for specific reasons. Besides we also used a 4th to acquire a pretty decent centreman and a 2nd to grab what seems to be a fairly good goalie so all in all I'd say a good draft.

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#55 DoubleDIon
July 01 2013, 11:19AM
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chillout wrote:

If these guys didn't have significant holes in their games they would be getting drafted in the 1st or 2nd rounds. Anyone can say they could have drafted better in hindsight. From now on I want to see mock drafts from all the people saying they could do better. Full 7 round mock drafts with all the teams making likely picks and not just grabbing all the best players for calgary haha.

Drafting players for their hockey IQ isn't vodoo it is something the flames have started doing because it is more likely to get a player to the nhl than just having a full toolbox. Lots of kids have the raw tools just no freaking clue how to use them and will be forever useless on the ice.

Also we're not talking about the flames last 20 years that's a stupid comparison when you have new people running the show over the last few years.

Anyway the guys we drafted are guys our scouts liked and they had their own rankings. They liked all the guys we picked for specific reasons. Besides we also used a 4th to acquire a pretty decent centreman and a 2nd to grab what seems to be a fairly good goalie so all in all I'd say a good draft.

Why is looking at the past 20 years stupid? Button has been with the Flames since 1997, so it's completely relevant to look that far back. When you tell me Kanzig is a very intelligent player, you aren't using any objective measurement to determine hockey IQ. If you tell me Drouin is hockey intelligent and Kanzig is not, then maybe I'm buying it.

So yes, I think the way the Flames "measure" intelligence is off. If you can't measure "it" then as far as I'm concerned "it" doesn't exist. Baseball used to talk about BS like this too, until the started using measurable analysis they missed much more than they do now.

One question: You said we drafted guys "our scouts" liked. Putting aside our poor draft record, how do you "like" a guy you've never even watched play?

That my friend, is voodoo.

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#56 Franko J
July 01 2013, 03:33PM
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Poirier sort of reminds of Burrows with the Canucks. An agitator with some skill and competitiveness to his game.

Going into a new conference with the likes of LA, Anaheim, and SJ, the Flames will need more players with some size, grit and compete. The skill will come, but you cannot teach a player's compete level.

While Kanzig might be a head scratcher with the third pick, one thing the Flames do lack is a player in the lineup who will make the opposition accountable for running the goalies and our skill players. Besides maybe they can deploy him on the power play in front of the goalie.

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#57 Robb
July 01 2013, 03:35PM
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Graham wrote:

Maybe my expectations were too high, but I definitely came away from the draft disappointed.

Monahan is likely to be a solid center likely a number 2, but he isn't an elite or franchise player to build around. The elephant in the room being his skating ability, its ok, but not top six in ability. Given what was on the board the Poirier pick was a blunder, the Klimchuk pick was a solid safe pick. I don't mind gambling with the later round picks, few if any of these will ever play in the NHL.

Overall, Feaster couldn't move up, he couldn't package one or more of the picks for a top talent, his first round picks were underwhelming. It's taken Edmonton 6-7 years to rebuild with elite draft picks, the Flames will never finish with prospects they are adding. Feaster deserves a C- for this draft.

First off, the oilers rebuild is not over yet. Ours just started. Second, the " elite" draft picks for the oilers have been taken the last few years, not the first few. It's completely ridiculous to compare our brand new, 3 month old rebuild to their 6-7 year (and counting) rebuild. Our roster is almost certainly going to get us a top 3 pick next season, one that you would call an " elite prospect".

Patience, Flames fans. Many teams made " strange" " off the board" picks. Check out Rob Vollman's tweets from earlier today; he talked about that.

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#58 Thprop1
July 01 2013, 07:20PM
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Holy panic button ...from what I have read Calgary's second was not a reach at all and they had to take him before Mtl had the chance. Outside of Mongo in the third round it was a solid draft from Calgary. Just because one publication hates his skating I'm not ready to crap on the pick..at least until I see he can't skate for myself...lol

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#59 Flamesboi
July 01 2013, 10:10PM
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@DoubleDIon

Okay fine you're right, late round picks could turn out to be good players too. BUT this is the second day after the draft (let me reinforce that) THE SECOND DAY!!! You people are already shutting doors on all those late round picks. What? Are you guys fortunetellers? You can already tell these kids won't turn out to be decent players? Give them a chance to prove themselves! If they turn out to be a no show in 3 years, by all means, trash all you want

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