It's Draft Day Open Thread: Threat Level Feaster

bookofloob
June 30 2013 12:29PM

 

 

 

It's been asserted by more than a few people that today is "The Most Important Day In Calgary Flames History", which, by the way, isn't true, but is one of those fork in the road moments for the organization, and need not be taken lighlty.

Flames fans, rightfully so, are TERRIFIED about the developments about to unfold today. Many of them are looking at their watch and wondering if it's too early to hit the sauce. For the record, I'm writing this now because it's too early for the liquor store to be open.

In an effort to kill time and to agitate an entire fanbase, I thought I'd take a minute to offer a little bit of a Draft Primer that touches on the picks held and some of the rumours surrounding the Flaming C.

Those Three Firsties

Too slick

photo via Mika Kylmäniemi

The Flames, as you all no doubtedly are aware by now, hold the 6th, 22nd, and 28th draft picks in the first round. There's been endless debate as to what should happen to those picks, and needless to say, none of us anywhere have any damn clue as to what is going to happen. The Flames drafted Mark Jankowski last season, so the brass has set a precedent of erratic behaviour that really none of us have a read on.

That said, assuming none of the picks are traded (more on that later), there's a fairly good consensus that the 6th overall pick should yield one of Elias Lindholm, Valeri Nichushkin, or Sean Monahan, with the outside possibilities of Alexsander Barkov or Rasmus Ristolainen getting casual mentions as well.

Jay Feaster, allegedly a GM, has said some petrifying things regarding this pick. As an example, he's been quoted as saying that it will be a factor if the player selected isn't willing to come over to North America right away (via Ryan Rishaug), likely speaking to either Nichushkin or Lindholm, both of whom are better options for the Flames than Sean Monahan, but you know, ENIGMATIC, so...

Another dumb thing that's been rumoured relatively heavily this morning is the 6th pick going to Philly in exchange for Braydon Coburn and (something else). I don't know what the other piece involved would be, but it's not going to be Sean Couturier, and Braydon Coburn is not worth giving up the 6th pick for, so if this happens, I hope you've got your Jager Bombs ready. We're going to need to drink to forget.

There's whispers of a deal between the Flames and the Winnipeg Jets as well. there's no word as to what or who is involved, but it's got to be Olli Jokinen, because why wouldn't it be? Don't trust whatever you see, and if you happen to be in Jersey right now and see Jay Feaster, hit him.  Right in the mouth. When you do it, you can say something awesome like "I'm supposed to tell you that Lanny sent me" or something. I don't care, just knock some sense into the man.

However...

Tyler Seguin

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On the positive side, there have been rumours as well that the Boston Bruins, inexplicably, are looking to move young Tyler Seguin, and that the Flames are in on him.  I'm not sure where the rumour originated from, but it's been talked about enough to talk about here, so shut up and listen! 

The deal seems to be Seguin for the 6th, and the adorable Johnny Gaudreau. I know you all know that Flames Nation is high on Johnny Hockey, and if he were traded, a lot of you bought your Gaudreauby Baker shirts and are now nothing but rags to you, but make no mistake, if the Flames could pull off THAT deal, it's a total win. The Bruins allegedly souring on Seguin is their own misguided vision, not Calgary's.

There's a lot of bunk rumours out there that Seguin has a bit of a coke problem and some attitude, and certainly some of the things he says and does will not make him seem like a generally good person, but rumours are rumours, and hockey is hockey, and Seguin can play hockey. He had an off year (this season doesn't count anyway), but this is a Number 1 center waiting to happen, and the relative uncertainty surrounding Gaudreau makes the risk worth it.

22 and 28

No one has a damn clue what's happening with these picks. Our own Ryan Pike and Christian Roatis have profiled several potential targets for the Flames at these picks, and do a better job profiling any of them than I would, so you should check those out if you haven't yet.

The stronger likelihood here is that these picks get dealt. I don't know to whom or to where, but while distressing, it's a lot less to be concerned about than mismanaging the 6th pick. Still, have an extra shot or two ready just in case.

ALL THE PICKS

The Flames will also strut their stuff at the podium for picks 67, 135, 157, 187, and 198. There's not a whole lot to note in here, because drafting past even the second round is pretty volatile. Of note, with that third round pick, there's an outside chance the Flames could draft Jordan Subban, but this is mostly interesting because of the name, and not as much because of the player (not that he isn't good)

Also, assuming the team didn't foolishly draft a goalie in the first round (oh yeah, a real possibility. We all joke, because we've run out of tears), this might be where the team selects a goaltender, if they truly believe they need one, which, I don't know, I guess you can never have too many. If a Jussi Saros or Calvin Petersen is still available, it's worth a look at.

Eh Vinny

Vincent Lecavalier

Pic via Jennifer Kuhn

According to Elliotte Friedman, the Flames are one of the teams interviewing newly employable Vincent Lecavalier today. There are apparently about 8 or 9 teams interested in Vinny (including Atvomobilist, one of the worst and poorest teams in the KHL), but you'd have to believe only a portion of those teams are doing more than kicking tires.

The Flames, I'm sure, would love to sign Lecavalier, and honestly, if it were on a one year deal (two max) at a responsible dollar figure, I'd be okay with it. It seems unlikely that that would be the case, however, as the more teams in on him, the higher the price tag, at which point Feaster and friends should just casually bow out. The team is finally absolving itself of a bad contract era, and bringing in a new one is no way to usher in a new aeon of Flames hockey.

Drink Up

I know I haven't presented an overly rosy portrayal of how this day could shake out for your Calgary Flames today, but I just really don't trust the decision makers on this team. Given the rumours swirling around the team, some dumb quotes by Jay Feaster, MARK JANKOWSKI, and so on and so forth, it's hard to have any kind of confidence inspired.

That's why I'm off to go stock up on supplies. The draft kicks off at 1 PM Calgary time. Make a game out of it. Do your own thing. Me, I'm going to build a bunker out of empties and I'm preparing  to hide in it until Connor McDavid is draft eligible.

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#451 Baalzamon
June 30 2013, 04:18PM
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Lol Fucale is probably mortified.

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#452 the forgotten man
June 30 2013, 04:20PM
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Justin Azevedo wrote:

sven isn't that undersized (5'11) and johnny g was in the 4th.

Gaudreau hasn't even stepped on an NHL surface yet...he will match up well against Nischukin at 6'4". Theorem Fleury was a complete aberration...unlikely you will in your lifetime find a guy his size excel in the NHL as he did...the Flames seem to buy into the "lightning in a bottle" / "off the board" approach to team building...how about not being too cute or the smartest guy in the room mindset and just sticking to size, talent and smarts like mos successful franchises in any sport do...just tired of the same BS for 25 years now - no more patience for the garbage this franchise keeps shovelling.

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#453 the forgotten man
June 30 2013, 04:23PM
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Burnward wrote:

I'm impressed.

Not the point buddy.,.its called asset (pick) management.

See Jankowski pick for further reference.

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#454 FireOnIce
June 30 2013, 04:23PM
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Buffalo trades Sekera to Carolina for Jamie McBain and #35 pick.

Again, I question Feaster's GM ability. He couldn't make the same deal for one of our garbage D-men?

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#455 Baalzamon
June 30 2013, 04:25PM
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@FireOnIce

McBain is irrefutably better than Babchuk and Butler. It astonishes me that Carolina even considered this trade.

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#456 Burnward
June 30 2013, 04:27PM
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@the forgotten man

Here's the thing. I've never seen him play. Tough for me to judge. Sure looked good on that tape though.

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#457 negrilcowboy
June 30 2013, 04:28PM
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FireOnIce wrote:

Buffalo trades Sekera to Carolina for Jamie McBain and #35 pick.

Again, I question Feaster's GM ability. He couldn't make the same deal for one of our garbage D-men?

Buffalo sabres rebuild or retool or whatever buzz word is currently in use is light years ahead of the Feasta plan.

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#458 clyde
June 30 2013, 04:30PM
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was hoping for a trade to get more assets like edm just did

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#459 Baalzamon
June 30 2013, 04:31PM
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So Zykov is finally gone. I'll be honest, I kind of forgot he was available.

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#460 clyde
June 30 2013, 04:32PM
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Baalzamon wrote:

McBain is irrefutably better than Babchuk and Butler. It astonishes me that Carolina even considered this trade.

butler played ahead of mcbain at the world championships for usa

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#461 Baalzamon
June 30 2013, 04:35PM
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clyde wrote:

butler played ahead of mcbain at the world championships for usa

And Mark Cundari played ahead of Butler on the Flames. So?

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#462 the forgotten man
June 30 2013, 04:35PM
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clyde wrote:

butler played ahead of mcbain at the world championships for usa

Clyde, get with the program...Butler isn't post-apex yet so he is an untouchable on the roster.

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#463 negrilcowboy
June 30 2013, 04:39PM
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clyde wrote:

was hoping for a trade to get more assets like edm just did

the sabres are demonstrating the art of stocking the cupboard. perhaps moving a cammellari type for a roster player and second rounders may have helped.

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#464 Kent Wilson
June 30 2013, 04:40PM
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Im relatively happy with the Flames first round. I think the Shinkaruk thing is going to be a big miss, but Monahan and Klimchuk are decent and the Flames avoided any other major missteps like drafting a goalie or a meathead. All their picks scored 70 or more points this season too.

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#465 Kent Wilson
June 30 2013, 04:41PM
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Bolland goes to the Leafs.

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#466 clyde
June 30 2013, 04:43PM
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Baalzamon wrote:

And Mark Cundari played ahead of Butler on the Flames. So?

so, some coaches seem to like butler as witnessed by the fact he played much more than mcbain

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#467 Veggie Dog
June 30 2013, 04:43PM
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It would be nice if the yahoos in Jersey would stop booing things.

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#468 Kent Wilson
June 30 2013, 04:44PM
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@clyde

The decision making by Ruff in the World Championships was bizarre.

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#469 clyde
June 30 2013, 04:45PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Im relatively happy with the Flames first round. I think the Shinkaruk thing is going to be a big miss, but Monahan and Klimchuk are decent and the Flames avoided any other major missteps like drafting a goalie or a meathead. All their picks scored 70 or more points this season too.

Poirier is on the World junior tryout roster for this summer so perhaps there is much more to him. hope so

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#470 BurningSensation
June 30 2013, 04:45PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Im relatively happy with the Flames first round. I think the Shinkaruk thing is going to be a big miss, but Monahan and Klimchuk are decent and the Flames avoided any other major missteps like drafting a goalie or a meathead. All their picks scored 70 or more points this season too.

Shinkaruk was passed over from spot #10 (where I had him ranked), to well past #22.

Why? Whatever reason Calgary has for preferring Poirier it was shared by a host of other scouts/GMs.

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#471 Ryan Pike
June 30 2013, 04:46PM
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Gonna be lots of good players available at 67 at this rate, gang.

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#472 clyde
June 30 2013, 04:46PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

The decision making by Ruff in the World Championships was bizarre.

true but I don't think he had anybsay in who the USA put on the ice

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#473 Kent Wilson
June 30 2013, 04:46PM
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Petan goes to the Jets in the 2nd round. Nice one for them.

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#474 Baalzamon
June 30 2013, 04:48PM
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Nickname suggestion for Poirier: Hercule Poirot.

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#475 Veggie Dog
June 30 2013, 04:48PM
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According to Steinberg, Klimchuk's fav player growing up was Oleg Saprykin......

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#476 BurningSensation
June 30 2013, 04:48PM
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negrilcowboy wrote:

the sabres are demonstrating the art of stocking the cupboard. perhaps moving a cammellari type for a roster player and second rounders may have helped.

Nobody is giving out 2nd rnd picks for a $6m winger who is past 30.

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#477 Kent Wilson
June 30 2013, 04:50PM
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@Veggie Dog

Hahaha. Klimchuk must be trolling.

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#480 negrilcowboy
June 30 2013, 04:52PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

Nobody is giving out 2nd rnd picks for a $6m winger who is past 30.

no, just for douglas murray types. a roster player and a second for cammy was do able.

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#481 Baalzamon
June 30 2013, 04:53PM
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except Wennberg. 3rd liner. Ha.

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#482 Kent Wilson
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Talking heads always do. It's what you do during prospect shows. Oh this guy! Future star for sure!

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#484 BJ
June 30 2013, 04:58PM
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the forgotten man wrote:

Gaudreau hasn't even stepped on an NHL surface yet...he will match up well against Nischukin at 6'4". Theorem Fleury was a complete aberration...unlikely you will in your lifetime find a guy his size excel in the NHL as he did...the Flames seem to buy into the "lightning in a bottle" / "off the board" approach to team building...how about not being too cute or the smartest guy in the room mindset and just sticking to size, talent and smarts like mos successful franchises in any sport do...just tired of the same BS for 25 years now - no more patience for the garbage this franchise keeps shovelling.

Well we got skill talent and smarts checked off... I think it was Sutter's pre-occupation with prioritizing size that helped put us so far behind. As far as off the board/lightning in a bottle... the Flames claim that they go by their list. If that is true then they can't let TSN rankings dictate what they will do.

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Veggie Dog wrote:

According to Steinberg, Klimchuk's fav player growing up was Oleg Saprykin......

Even according to Iggy Saprykin was super talented... he just couldn't translate it into games... but supposedly in practice... man he was good... lol

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#486 Baalzamon
June 30 2013, 05:02PM
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So.. Do my eyes deceive me, or is Madison Bowey still on the board?

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#487 Veggie Dog
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From Twitter

Ken Campbell ‏@THNKenCampbell Holy justification, Batman! Gillis on Schneider: "Our plan 3 yrs ago was develop Cory and move him for a high pick and that's what we did."

Harrison Mooney ‏@HarrisonMooney Mike Gillis after dropping his sandwich: "Three years ago, I hatched a plan to drop this sandwich."

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#488 Kent Wilson
June 30 2013, 05:04PM
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Proving that Craig Button still doesn't understand goaltending.

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#489 Kent Wilson
June 30 2013, 05:09PM
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All of the dark horse targets we discussed at FN are still on the board: Jordan Subban, Eric Roy, JC Lipon, Taylor Cammarata, Bogdan Yakimov.

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#490 EugeneV
June 30 2013, 05:13PM
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Brent G. wrote:

Does Monahan instantly become the flames 3rd best prospect?

1 or 2 surely?

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#491 BurningSensation
June 30 2013, 05:14PM
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Jordan Subban in the 3rd would be a nice prize. I also likebig Bogdan at that spot.

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#492 BurningSensation
June 30 2013, 05:16PM
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@Kent Wilson

I too am curious where our 3 new guys fit into the top 15

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#493 Baalzamon
June 30 2013, 05:16PM
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EugeneV wrote:

1 or 2 surely?

the fact that Brodie is #1 and not Baertschi should answer that for you. Proving things at the pro level matters. Monahan has played 0 pro games.

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#494 Kmp
June 30 2013, 05:18PM
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Hudson Fasching for 67.

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#495 Kent Wilson
June 30 2013, 05:20PM
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Jets acquired Frolik. Dammit!

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#496 Kent Wilson
June 30 2013, 05:33PM
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Alright, a few more till the Flames pick. All their dark horses on the board.

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#497 RKD
June 30 2013, 05:36PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Jets acquired Frolik. Dammit!

Pretty soon they will be known as the Winnipeg Blackhawks. Byfuglien, Ladd and now Frolik.

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#498 Baalzamon
June 30 2013, 05:36PM
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Kanzig. Anyone else get the feeling they wanted Diaby and settled?

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#499 BJ
June 30 2013, 05:37PM
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Keegan Kanzig... cool name..

Darkhorses still on the board.

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#500 Burnward
June 30 2013, 05:38PM
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@BJ

Kid's a monster. Huge.

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