Five things: The facts of life

Ryan Lambert
July 11 2013 08:01AM

1. A judicious decision

So the Flames, much to my surprise, didn't make serious runs at any of the league's big free agents this summer, or at least, didn't make runs serious enough to actually attract them. That's not the surprising part. The surprising thing, I guess, is that this team really is committed to tanking hard next season.

It would appear that Feaster is indeed planning to do what's best for the team and not necessarily his job by going forward with a team on which Lee Stempniak and David Jones are the top two right wings every single night.

I love it.

The money I expected Feaster to spend against the cap didn't really matter since the team was never going to come near the ceiling this year or next year or maybe ever, ever, ever again.

I said it on Puck Daddy last week but the thing with this kind of free agent class this summer (see also: a bad one) is that even when they're bad, teams spend like they're not. David Clarkson, as the "prize" of the class, has exactly one 40-plus point season ever and he's 29 years old. Is he a good enough NHLer? Of course. Is he worth anything near the contract he got? No. So the question is this: Why do GMs act like he is? There's not really a good reason for it** except that GMs are not necessarily good at their jobs; if, for example, Dave Nonis had not signed Clarkson, and he did indeed get outbid by Edmonton or whoever (the who doesn't matter in this scenario) the headlines would have been "Leafs lose out on target Clarkson, sign awful No. 1 center for no reason" instead of "Oilers get Clarkson." Considerations such as these do not lend themselves to judicious GMing.

So for Feaster to stay out of it, to some extent anyway (we'll never know for sure if he took a run at anyone of note), was something he couldn't have handled better. Takes a lot of chutzpah to avoid that and enter the season with a roster this bad, but I'm glad to see it.

**(Kent recently attempted to answer this question here ).

2. The minor moves he made

Staying out of the free agent market as a whole wasn't all Feaster got up to, of course. He traded for Kris Russell which is a decent enough defensive deal insofar as one assumes Russell won't be actively terrible. The terms of that one-year deal, by the way, are perfectly acceptable.

But then again he gave Brian McGrattan two more years for reasons that defy logic. That kind of thing is maddening. I don't have to explain to you why.

He also made the Karri Ramo and Corban Knight contracts officially official, and I'm not particularly wild about either of them in theory. In actual practice, I feel like both being slight overpayments doesn't really matter, and if anything people in my position (wanting them to go 0-82-0 next season) should cheer for that kind of thing since it prevents them from adding more expensive pieces. So I guess to that extent I'm fine with it.

And then, as I was writing this, Mikael Backlund got his two-year deal, which came as something of a surprise to me, mainly because I assumed he'd only get one year because this would be his last contract with the team if he doesn't score like 40 points next season. It might still be, because at some point you have to assume they're going to cut bait, but I'll take the term and money both. Good deal for both sides, I think.

3. Get used to the Oilers killing Calgary

So it seems like Craig MacTavish is immediately trying to make a huge impact in Edmonton, and good on him for it. The Oilers are now officially better than the Calgary Flames on paper and probably on the ice as well, and the gap between them is only going to broaden over the next three or four years.

This new playoff format makes things interesting, in that I still don't think either Albertan team is going to be good enough to muscle their way into the postseason under this format. With that having been said, though, (and Flames fans will hate to hear this) any delusions that you might be holding about winning the Battle of Alberta should be checked at the door. The Oilers roster as currently constituted is going to blow Calgary out of the water. If they can improve their defense in any appreciable way any time soon, they'll be good enought to be considered a borderline playoff team.

The Flames need to add roughly six thousand players to get to that point; these, though, are the benefits of starting a rebuild several years earlier before Calgary realized it needed the overhaul.

4. Another thing for which I have to praise Feaster to my chagrin

And finally, to that end, I have to bring up the fact that Hockey Prospectus' Corey Pronman recently ranked the Flames' organization 10th in the league. This is something unfathomable even a year ago, when Pronman had them in the low 20s or so. They might have been in the mid-to-upper 40s before that. Tough to say.

To that extent I understand the people who say I should cut him some slack on the Jankowski and Poirier picks, given that he's also pulled or traded for a number of high-quality players from lower rounds. The team's issue isn't necessarily that they can't draft well, or identify talent.

He's certainly re-stocked the cupboard in a major way, and indeed looks poised to do so again next season when they finish 29th or 30th in the league and take a serious run at a top-flight prospect. This is especially shocking given Feaster's overall drafting record in the past, but if the Flames are acknowledging that they have a problem in any way, this is a brave new world to begin with.

5. The Bieber to-do

Not that this is Flames related but everyone is acting like Justin Bieber touching the Stanley Cup or stepping on the Blackhawks logo or having his jersey hung in Jonathan Toews' locker and that's been a whole thing. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Many have pointed out that he touched the Stanley Cup in the past and despite a lot of eye-rolling about it no one cared. But this time he did it dressed like Ice Cube circa 1990 for no readily apparent reason, while standing on the Blackhawks' logo. Greg Wyshynski made the point — and a very logical one — that if you don't want people to step on the logo then you don't put it on the floor, but this being hockey, Tradition wins out over logic.

The reason the logo is on the floor is so that guys have to THINK to avoid it, because it's some sort of holy relic, or whatever. That, of course, is silly. The Flames' logo, or the Blackhawks' or the Jets' or the Bruins' or any other team's is as sacred as any corporate logo, and it stands for something only so far as the guys wearing it are being paid by that team. Think the Blackhawks' logo is this Important Thing to, say, Ray Emery, who was just playing for them but now signed with the Flyers? I have a guess. That guess is no.

As for the Cup, people have eaten cereal out of the Cup. Babies have pooped in the Cup. I would imagine someone has had sex in or against it more than once in its illustrious existence. It's a sports trophy. Justin Bieber touching it is probably the sixth-most disgusting thing to happen to it since Jonathan Toews picked it up a few weeks ago.

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#1 icedawg_42
July 11 2013, 08:12AM
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Oilers fans are going to be as insufferable as Canucks fans for the next several seasons. Brace yourselves.

The big thing about Bieber, is that he's a useless douchebag. So: Stanley Cup, Blackhawks logo, chunk of dog poop, I get offended seeing pictures of him touching anything.

I think Backlund is going to get a lot more PP time this season, in the absence of many other choices. This should boost his numbers - I think he'll have a career season. I dont think 40 pts is going to be a stretch by any means.

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#2 SeanCharles
July 11 2013, 08:30AM
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Karri Ramo and Corban Knights contracts are pretty standard. Corban Knight recieved the standard entry level deal with bonus' much like Cervenkas deal last year. Ramo has massive offers in the KHL he is leaving on the table, you have to give him a reasonable deal.

This mentality that ideally the team will go 0-82-0 next season is just plain stupid.

I wish everyone would forget about this idea of drafting in the top 2 over the next two years is whats best for this team.

Competing for a playoff spot will be much better for the young players development than finishing last in the league.

Besides if goaltending is good next year, we have no chance of finishing last.

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#3 Gange
July 11 2013, 08:32AM
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I'm not convinced the gap between the Oilers and Flames will be that large. I'm under no illusions that his is a "good" team but I don't think it's a bad as everyone believes it will be.

Just sayin.

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#4 meat1
July 11 2013, 08:57AM
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I think we will be better than some think next year. I realize that the opening night roster won't have as many "Good" players on it as previous years, but it may well be a better "Team" than we've had for awhile.

It seems to me that everyone in the front office is pulling in the same direction. I have certainly been a harsh critic of Jay Feaster and his posse in hockey ops, but I have been impressed with his moves, or lack there of, since the season ended.

Everybody is busy warning us fans that it will be a long, lonely ride for this team. Maybe it will. But the ride we have been on these last few years hasn't been a hell of a lot of fun, either. I think the majority of true fans believe we are now heading in a direction which 'could' eventually allow us to once again be a powerful hockey team.

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#5 Kent Wilson
July 11 2013, 09:01AM
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Unless Backlund and Brodie are even better than I think, Flames fans should prepare for their team to be bad next year. Potentially very, very bad.

There's a good chance Cammalleri will be dealt this summer or at least as early as he can be moved. Stajan will probably go at the deadline as well. Stempniak will probably move as well, unless they somehow convince him to stay.

No doubt a bunch of rookies and hopefuls are going to get reps in the big league as well. That's fine and all, but it's usually not conducive to winning, especially if you can't shelter them behind a bunch of stars.

The club might have one or two 50+ players on it (Cammalleri is the only guy to top top 50 historically, aside from Stajan's career best 55). There isn't a single truly elite talent anywhere on the roster. The goaltending is such a huge question mark that league average netminding should be considered a win if it happens.

It'll be an interesting season, but probably a long one as well. Something drastic and out of the blue would have to happen to turn the Flames into a competitive club (like Ramo pulling a Bobrovsky and winning the Vezina).

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#6 piscera.infada
July 11 2013, 09:09AM
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Really enjoyed the read. Far less doomsday than usual.

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#7 the-wolf
July 11 2013, 09:12AM
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Yup, I'm as ecstatic as anyone for the change in direction, I like a lot of the moves, but thinking Calgary is going to be anything but road kill this season is folly. And, frankly, that's good, because the team still requires more elite pieces and more depth everywhere. there are no shortcuts.

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#8 Demetric
July 11 2013, 09:24AM
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Negative Nancy, much?

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#9 Gange
July 11 2013, 09:33AM
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@Kent Wilson

Again, not going to be "good", but not going to be that bad.

I under no impression that this team will challenge for a playoff spot but 29-30 seems extreme. We'll see though.

The wild card is really how the new divisions will impact the standings.

Also if you can improve your shootout record a team can improve their standings greatly and it should be treated as such.

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#10 piscera.infada
July 11 2013, 09:35AM
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@Demetric

I don't think anyone should be pooping out daffodils about the state of this team. This article reflects the idea that things are (slowly) moving in the right direction.

Look, I'm not one who thinks this team is a lock for a first overall draft pick, but I'm under no illusions that we're suddenly going to be an uber-competitive team.

All I want is for this team to compete and let the chips fall where they may. If we can pick up one or two more first round draft picks, and finish similar to where we were this past season (which I think is entirely reasonable), without being blown-out night after night, I'll be happy.

I do however, want to see this team start to make strides in the 2014/15 season. Sure, they wont be in a playoff dogfight, but I firmly believe that if a team is going to progress, the learning arc needs to start sooner rather than later.

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#11 Smudged
July 11 2013, 09:38AM
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Good article. Very sobering and scary to read for those that don't like facing the truth. lol

You might want to tidy up point #4 though. The title seems to be a bit of a mess. Also could use some clarification... for instance:

"And finally, to that end, I have to bring up the fact that Hockey Prospectus' Corey Pronman recently ranked the Flames' organization 10th in the league."

Pronman ranked the Flames as 10th in the league for what? I'm assuming draft picks? Pospects? goal song? Maybe their ability to make coffee?

I'm just saying that you have to make some assumptions when reading that section.

Like I said to begin with though, good article overall.

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#12 SmellOfVictory
July 11 2013, 09:42AM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Unless Backlund and Brodie are even better than I think, Flames fans should prepare for their team to be bad next year. Potentially very, very bad.

There's a good chance Cammalleri will be dealt this summer or at least as early as he can be moved. Stajan will probably go at the deadline as well. Stempniak will probably move as well, unless they somehow convince him to stay.

No doubt a bunch of rookies and hopefuls are going to get reps in the big league as well. That's fine and all, but it's usually not conducive to winning, especially if you can't shelter them behind a bunch of stars.

The club might have one or two 50+ players on it (Cammalleri is the only guy to top top 50 historically, aside from Stajan's career best 55). There isn't a single truly elite talent anywhere on the roster. The goaltending is such a huge question mark that league average netminding should be considered a win if it happens.

It'll be an interesting season, but probably a long one as well. Something drastic and out of the blue would have to happen to turn the Flames into a competitive club (like Ramo pulling a Bobrovsky and winning the Vezina).

It'll be interesting to see, given that the only real movement has been Iginla/Tanguay/JBo. JBo clearly was an important defensive piece, while the other two seemed to be constantly getting taken to school. The performance of their positional replacements will give a good indication of just what the Flames actually lost when they were traded away.

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#13 Clyde
July 11 2013, 09:49AM
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Smudged wrote:

Good article. Very sobering and scary to read for those that don't like facing the truth. lol

You might want to tidy up point #4 though. The title seems to be a bit of a mess. Also could use some clarification... for instance:

"And finally, to that end, I have to bring up the fact that Hockey Prospectus' Corey Pronman recently ranked the Flames' organization 10th in the league."

Pronman ranked the Flames as 10th in the league for what? I'm assuming draft picks? Pospects? goal song? Maybe their ability to make coffee?

I'm just saying that you have to make some assumptions when reading that section.

Like I said to begin with though, good article overall.

Corey Pronman is quite the hockey expert

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#14 BurningSensation
July 11 2013, 10:00AM
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SmellOfVictory wrote:

It'll be interesting to see, given that the only real movement has been Iginla/Tanguay/JBo. JBo clearly was an important defensive piece, while the other two seemed to be constantly getting taken to school. The performance of their positional replacements will give a good indication of just what the Flames actually lost when they were traded away.

I find it very interesting that the guys we insisted weren't pulling their weight (Iginla, Kiprusoff) anymore are now gone, and yet we expect to do worse than last year.

The big loss is JBo, and that may be what most does the Flames in next year.

One thing that the Flames could do to improve their record without spending a ton of money would be to sign Jussi Jokinen to a deal. If the only thing he does is bring his shootout prowess to our post-overtime dance it could result in a wider swing of points in our favour than any other move.

That and league average goaltending by Ramo, could prevent us from having our heads bashed in by Edmonton as the reset continues.

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#15 Hank Williams
July 11 2013, 10:01AM
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I agree with Smell of Victory. I question how much we really lost with the subtraction of Iginla and Tanguay. I think we lost a lot with the removal of Boumeester. He moved the puck ahead and stayed out of the penalty box while doing it. Not proclaiming we are playoff material but it is my belief we are not a lottery team yet. Im excited as hell going forward for the first time in years. In past years it was always a hope that the Flames would perform yet would always disappoint. Perhaps it is because expectations are lowered that I feel this way.

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#16 Jeff Lebowski
July 11 2013, 10:12AM
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I can't remember which NHL exec ( Colorado?) said it but he remarked how if you look at the top scorers in the league (past 5? Seasons) they were almost all top 5 picks.

That may sound like stating the obvious but it bodes to how Calgary desperately needs to fail short term in order to win long term. It has also been a long time mantra of posters here (like the wolf) who were right.

Iggy, Kipper, Regher, Bouwmeester were all that was keeping Calgary out of dead last for past few seasons. Since there was no body on the roster immediately better (which may have been the rotten perception - the Iggy name brand only, a Stempniak replacement MIGHT have been an actual improvement - no coach would do it) and ZERO prospects were near ready. The org relied on those guys now gone.

However, if the hold overs can hold the fort and be good corsi warriors (against the toughest competition every night) it might not be gruesome but still bad. Like an over achieving expansion team.

Feaster hopefully won't rush any of his picks, Calgary finishes last, Calgary gets top 5 picks, Feaster's earlier picks (Jankowski, Gaudreau, Poirier) all push through and arrive ready to play at same time as elite guys. You get top scorers plus really good complementary guys all coming at same time. 3-4 years.

If Feaster can keep the salaries of these complementary guys reasonable (if they aren't top scorers - not top 5 picks) they can keep the band together.

It could be really, really good if all things work out...

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#17 Scary Gary
July 11 2013, 10:13AM
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I don't think we'll be 30th but it is conceivable that we will win more games in 2013/2014 than in 2014/2015, once we've traded away our veteran talent at the trade deadline.

If I've learned anything from watching the oilers the last few years it's that an 82 game season is not kind to young players, whether it be injury or consistency.

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#18 kittensandcookies
July 11 2013, 10:19AM
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@BurningSensation

What's so "interesting" about it? The players that "replaced" Iginla and Kipper will be worse or at best equivalent in Kipper's case.

I mean, people aren't actually expecting Ramo to have a .920 SV%, are they?

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#19 piscera.infada
July 11 2013, 10:27AM
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@kittensandcookies

I think they're expecting Ramo to be better than Kipper's .882 last year - not exactly out of the realm of possibilities.

It's not about replacing Kipper from 3 years ago... Same with Iggy/Tangs.

Obviously the "replacement" for Iggy wont win the Richard trophy. But he may (and this is a novel idea) not be the entire focal point of the offense (thus detracting from people around him - as in the last few years), or may just decide to back-check on occasion.

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#20 Michael
July 11 2013, 10:27AM
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This team certainly isn't going to be a top 10 team, a middle ranking (10-20) is unlikely (even with Kipper, Iggy and gang at their prime we it was hard to break out of this range) leaving us in the bottom ten. I think the question marks (lack of a #1 or #2 center, weakness at RW, loss of JBO, and unknown goaltending, the likely deletion of Cammy and Gio at the deadline)might well push us into the bottom 5. Exactly what this team needs, a shot at another top draft five pick.

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#21 BurningSensation
July 11 2013, 10:33AM
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kittensandcookies wrote:

What's so "interesting" about it? The players that "replaced" Iginla and Kipper will be worse or at best equivalent in Kipper's case.

I mean, people aren't actually expecting Ramo to have a .920 SV%, are they?

Iginla was having the river pushed against him the last few years. He's still a contributor on the PP, but otherwise he isn't an average scoring forward anymore.

Kipper was, literally, the worst goaltender in the league last year. Ramo could go to prison and get traded for a pack of ciggarettes and still not suck as bad as Kipper did last year.

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#22 RexLibris
July 11 2013, 10:37AM
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With regards to the Flames finishing dead last, I began to wonder about which teams I could expect to be worse than them, based on early roster reports.

With the new divisional breakdown, it will be difficult to predict how bad some teams will be. At the same time, some teams always manage to surprise (Phildelphia in 2007, Columbus in 2012).

But based on recent history and a rough guess of improvement/stagnation, I'd say the Flames can expect to be a bottom 1/3rd team alongside Buffalo, Florida, perhaps Carolina and maybe Winnipeg. Add in the possibility that another team or two could fall flat on their face and the chance that the Oilers struggle for another season and the Flames could find themselves drafting fourth overall despite dressing a dog's breakfast for a roster.

My advice to fans would be prepare for the worst showing but hope for the best effort. My Flames rebuild series focused on trying to deliver a roster that would deliver effort and at least an underdog's chance every night. Win or lose, I think Flames fans could be content with that so long as it was part of a rebuilding strategy.

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#23 piscera.infada
July 11 2013, 10:49AM
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@RexLibris

I agree with everything you said. I just want to see the team compete.

The big issue for me is that tanking for the sole purpose of getting a high draft pick SHOULD NEVER be the game-plan. Ever.

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#24 kittensandcookies
July 11 2013, 10:51AM
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@BurningSensation

Good grief, it's not like Iggy and Tanguay weren't getting points last year with the team.

So who's going to replace those points?

Ah yeah, I'm not putting too much stock into either goalie. The NHL is a goalie meat grinder.

Throw in a few injuries here and there and this team will easily finish in the top 8 for drafting again.

I'm curious. Where did you think the Flames were going to finish in the lockout shortened season?

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#25 kittensandcookies
July 11 2013, 10:53AM
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@piscera.infada

The team is going to compete as well as they can.

No one's thinking the team is going to tank deliberately. They're just not very good.

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#26 SmellOfVictory
July 11 2013, 10:58AM
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kittensandcookies wrote:

What's so "interesting" about it? The players that "replaced" Iginla and Kipper will be worse or at best equivalent in Kipper's case.

I mean, people aren't actually expecting Ramo to have a .920 SV%, are they?

Just to add to what's been said (since I kind of started this ball rolling): Kipper was hot garbage last season, straight up. I absolutely expect Ramo to be better than him. Even MacDonald, a career backup, was better than Kipper last season.

Iginla/Tanguay are less straightforward. They're both still good scoring forwards, but their differentials were not good. It's not unreasonable to think that whoever replaces them may not put up gaudy numbers, but may have at least a similar (possibly better) differential, which is generally the more important thing in terms of winning games. That's why you get teams like Nashville and Phoenix making the playoffs on a regular basis with no star players on the front end, while teams like Tampa Bay do no better, despite having high octane guys like Stamkos and St Louis.

The team, last season, had a Fenwick close ratio that was just inside the bottom 10 I believe. Nowhere near a top 5 pick. The only thing that got them as low as they did was Kiprusoff.

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#27 propositionWes
July 11 2013, 10:58AM
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Everyone rightly states that McGratton is a terrible hockey player and the Flames are likely to lose many games next year.

Does it not make sense from an entertainment perspective to have a guy like BigErn on the team to at least get beer sales going? I don't think I've ever seen anyone point out that players are signed for reasons other than their ability to play hockey. It's possible that a player like McGratton will actually drive more revenue than some other grinding forward would.

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#28 PrairieStew
July 11 2013, 10:59AM
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Unless the goaltending repeats last years debacle, this team its not a bottom 5. Remember the Ducks were 13th 2 years ago, 2nd last year and their improvement may have been in part due to the fact that Viktor Fasth is better than Curtis Mcelhinney. If Ramo and Berra can even provide average goaltending, then this team is better.

Cammy,Sven and Backlund may not be an elite first line, but the tough minutes unit of Stajan,glenx, and stemp is underrated. Hudler and Galiardi are beginnings of a decent secondary scoring unit, with 3 guys (Knight, Horak and Granlund) competing for that spot.Jackman keeping up with the Jonses is a very good 4th line. The return of a healthy Bouma adds to either of those groups.

The defense is not Chicago, but it is not Edmonton either. SOB is better than Sarich, Butler has something to prove and we've got 2 guys that were among the top 5 AHL dmen.

Having said all that, unless they are leading the division in February, they should bee major sellers at the deadline; Stajan,Stemp,Cammy,Jackman,Butler. How does an extra 1st,2 seconds a third and a 4th sound?

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#29 negrilcowboy
July 11 2013, 11:00AM
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kittensandcookies wrote:

Good grief, it's not like Iggy and Tanguay weren't getting points last year with the team.

So who's going to replace those points?

Ah yeah, I'm not putting too much stock into either goalie. The NHL is a goalie meat grinder.

Throw in a few injuries here and there and this team will easily finish in the top 8 for drafting again.

I'm curious. Where did you think the Flames were going to finish in the lockout shortened season?

my crystal ball has the flames drafting in the top five next season, and thats with mid-level goaltending. top three if the best goalie not currently in the nhl that is now in the nhl shouldnt be in the nhl.

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#30 Demetric
July 11 2013, 11:05AM
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@piscera.infada

I am with you but I take offense when people start saying that the team is intentionally tanking. That is not the goal and never will be, but as you stated it is likely that wins will be hard to come by.

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#31 Rockmorton65
July 11 2013, 11:05AM
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A couple things I'd like to point out.

1. I really don't think this is roster is going to be the opening day roster. Feaster said months ago that he wasn't going after many UFAs. His eye was on RFAs and teams with cap issues. Those won't come to fruition for awhile. Teams aren't going to start feeling the cap crunch for a month or so. Then I think we'll see an addition or two.

2. I love the fact that the culture is changing. We have quite a few guys (of decent talent) who want to be here and play hard. Feaster has done an awesome job getting rid of the deadweight and infused this team with energy. If we can get another centre, and solidify our right side, we have a shot at being decent team.

For instance, I will take David Jones' numbers and attitude over Alex Tanguay's numbers and attitude any day of the week.

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#32 mattyc
July 11 2013, 11:07AM
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2 things:

- I think to finish last you need to suck AND be unlucky (lucky?). Given the amount of parity we have in the league, and what we know about how volatile percentages are, it's unlikely the team is going to completely implode a la Sens '94 (though it is still possible...)

- I think there's too much focus on having a top (top 3, top 5?) pick. For every team that has had a lot of success with a top pick (Hawks and Kane, Doughty and Kings) there's a team that's struggled (Caps and Ovie, Bolts and Stamkos, Oilers?). The key IMO is being able to draft/develop complementary players as well as hit a few breaks in later rounds. For an example, Boston drafted Bergeron, Krejci, Lucic in the 2nd round, Marchand in the 3rd. Combine that with some good trades (Chara, Horton) and you get there without waiting for the stars to align for a top pick.

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#33 Kevin R
July 11 2013, 11:10AM
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I don't think anyone should be pooping out daffodils about the state of this team. This article reflects the idea that things are (slowly) moving in the right direction.

Look, I'm not one who thinks this team is a lock for a first overall draft pick, but I'm under no illusions that we're suddenly going to be an uber-competitive team.

All I want is for this team to compete and let the chips fall where they may. If we can pick up one or two more first round draft picks, and finish similar to where we were this past season (which I think is entirely reasonable), without being blown-out night after night, I'll be happy.

I do however, want to see this team start to make strides in the 2014/15 season. Sure, they wont be in a playoff dogfight, but I firmly believe that if a team is going to progress, the learning arc needs to start sooner rather than later.

Exactly. This transition is going to give us a lot of roller coaster moments next year. There are going to be guys that we are going to be totally stoked about. We are probably going to give some very good teams fits in games. Chances are we are going to lose a lot of games in the 3rd period & several by 1 goal or 2. During our lowest moments when injuries hit a few of our real bright spots, we are going to get our helmets handed to us. By the trade deadline, we will be sellers for the last year. We will have no doubt a top 10 pick & hopefully an extra few 1st rounders. The following year will have higher but controlled expectations. By our 7th year out of the playoffs, everyone, including Management & Ownership will be thirsting for playoffs. By then we will hopefully have 3-4 young elite players to lead us.

Well gentleman, that is your tea leaves read, have a great Stampede!!!!

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#34 Derzie
July 11 2013, 11:14AM
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My beef with Feaster is about how he never quite does what he says. No going off the board proclamations were forgotten on draft day. Take advantage of a strong cap position, no dice. No Post-Apex players? get all pre-Apex players avoiding any Apex or approaching apex players. Don't do what the Oilers did (tank hard), do exactly what the Oilers did (tank hard). Maybe if he shut up I'd be happy because I don't mind too much the state of the team. I just can't handle his "say this, do that" mantra. I still think we need some Apex players in the mix to make this work.

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#35 lionlager
July 11 2013, 11:19AM
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Random question:

When Feaster eventually gets the boot, is Conroy then given the reins?

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#36 Charleston Kingsley
July 11 2013, 11:24AM
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I figure we'll be slightly better than the Oilers circa '09-'11. I think we'll probably get around seventy points. We're rebuilding so this is to be expected. I'm also glad we didn't spend in free agency this year, it's usually not the ideal way to build a team. We've got to rebuild through the draft and it appears we're doing that to reiterate the article. Anyway, it's refreshing to see. It's what has to be done.

I don't expect us to make the playoffs until the 2015-2016 season. I think we're likely to finish in the bottom three this season, followed by the bottom ten the year after and hopefully we can make the jump and have a fairly quick and successful rebuilding process. It will be exciting to see what our prospects can do in years to come.

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#37 Lordmork
July 11 2013, 11:24AM
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I remember looking at our roster at the start of the season and thinking maybe it wasn't as bad as everyone was predicting. We had some good players, and the new additions (Wideman, Hudler) were surely better than the players they replaced.

This year, I look at the roster, and with the possible exception of TJ Brodie, I don't see anyone who's an upgrade over last year. Furthermore, we've lost some of our key players. Yes, they were playing poorly, but I don't think you can argue they were replaced by anyone capable of their level of play.

I would be pleasantly surprised if we ranked anywhere above 20, because I'm nervous about the kind of team mentality you develop after a season or two of intentionally tanking, but especially if we trade players like Cammalleri, Stajan and Stempniak, I'm not sure who's going to put up points. I have mentally prepared myself for a finish somewhere between 22-29.

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#38 JayD54
July 11 2013, 11:47AM
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Measuring the performance of management should be done at the end of the season, not in the middle of the in between summer. And this bashing of Feaster and company is wearing a bit thin. The huge job of rebuilding this club began in earnest on the day that the Iginla trade was made.

As a hockey fan, and a seasons ticket holder since the very beginning, is, I think, realistic. While I was disappointed in the playoff miss in two of the four past years, looking forward I have a level of confidence that we now have a baseline to compare. Next years lottery pick could be a very exciting young guy that I've enjoyed watching in the WHL (Sam Reinhart). If he ends up a Flame I would be ecstatic, but I don't bank on it. The current group could surprise. Everyone! Don't expect it, but I do expect a hard working team. And I expect more changes even from the list that exists today on the roster.

That is the name of the game in a rebuild. So lets not get too far ahead of ourselves. . .

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#39 RexLibris
July 11 2013, 11:49AM
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Random question:

When Feaster eventually gets the boot, is Conroy then given the reins?

I think they'd default to Weisbrod, although it depends on the circumstances.

If Feaster blows up in a magnificent fashion, he may take down nearly all of his hires as well.

I'd bet on Weisbrod with Conroy moving up to AGM.

The other option is an outside guy like Burke or an up-and-comer. But based on Murray Edwards' track record, I think they go for someone "in the circle".

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#40 negrilcowboy
July 11 2013, 11:54AM
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Regarding the RFA targets that Meister Feaster alluded to, with the cap flexibility the Flames enjoy could someone please inform me of whom they would target. Boston,Philly and the Sharks currently sit above the cap, what other potential dance partners would there be. Also, what is the cost of pursuing the likes of Henrique,Stepan or even a Nic Spaling type. Also what about the addition of Grabo. The current roster resembles that of a glorified AHl team with a sprinkling of unproven recent draft types and the apple dumpling gang. Brodie developed nicely last season however he is yet to play a full season, what is fair value for a dman with 104 career games?

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#41 RexLibris
July 11 2013, 11:58AM
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The Ducks also had Selanne, Getzlaf, Perry, Koivu, Ryan, Sbisa and a host of supporting players.

This touches on another common thread of comments I've noticed here on FN - that fans want the team to rebuild on the fly in a fashion similar to Philadelphia and Ottawa. The fatal flaw in that argument though is that those teams all had incumbent elite level players at key positions whereas the Flames best players for this season are Giordano, Brodie, Stempniak and Backlund, with the possible emergence of Baertschi.

For the Flames to rebound it would take a monumental statistical fluke akin to Minnesota's start two years ago or the Avalanche from 2010. Both cases were unsustainable.

Having been a fan of teams in a similar predicament (the Oilers of the early 90s) the best you can hope for is that the team leaves nothing in the tank on any given night and even if they lose, make the winner walk away with a (proverbial) bloody nose.

Agree on selling at the deadline. Absolutely agree. The problem it poses is if it depletes the roster to such an extent that it forces rookies into prime roles for which they are unprepared. It will be a balancing act between acquisition and sheltering.

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#42 BJ
July 11 2013, 12:01PM
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Everyone rightly states that McGratton is a terrible hockey player and the Flames are likely to lose many games next year.

Does it not make sense from an entertainment perspective to have a guy like BigErn on the team to at least get beer sales going? I don't think I've ever seen anyone point out that players are signed for reasons other than their ability to play hockey. It's possible that a player like McGratton will actually drive more revenue than some other grinding forward would.

First of all I want to apologize for posting about McGratton as this signing is not noteworthy, but Lambert did take a strong opinion in this post against.

I don't get why anyone has strong feelings either way about the 14th forward on our roster but everyone is clearly missing the point here:

We have a lot of young players coming into the ranks and over the next two years we are going to get a chance to see many of them play and get looks on the Flames (I'm excited to see something new even if we end up last). They will need protection. If other teams can run our players and injure them we are in trouble. Injuries can seriously hurt the development of young players. These are their formative years and they need to be playing hockey, not nursing injuries - that is what the signing is about.

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#43 Eddie Shore
July 11 2013, 12:01PM
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Honest question... Do you think the Flames have hit rock bottom yet? That is the scary part...

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#44 piscera.infada
July 11 2013, 12:02PM
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Derzie wrote:

My beef with Feaster is about how he never quite does what he says. No going off the board proclamations were forgotten on draft day. Take advantage of a strong cap position, no dice. No Post-Apex players? get all pre-Apex players avoiding any Apex or approaching apex players. Don't do what the Oilers did (tank hard), do exactly what the Oilers did (tank hard). Maybe if he shut up I'd be happy because I don't mind too much the state of the team. I just can't handle his "say this, do that" mantra. I still think we need some Apex players in the mix to make this work.

On going off board - I thought that too, however, the reading I've done makes me love the Poirier pick. It also seems many teams after us at 22 were likely going to go "off the board" for him too. So perhaps, while the optics look like they went off board (as per "the insiders" - TSN, and such), maybe they didn't deviate as much as we think they did. I don't know though, maybe you're a professional scout.

On cap position - We don't fully know Feaster hasn't done anything, nor do we know if he's tried or not and was unable to make a reasonable proposal. The problem with trades, is that the Flames really have no asset other than cap space, besides the players that would create a fan mutiny if we traded (ie. Baertschi).

On post-Apex - He didn't sign any post-apex players (save for McGratten). I don't really see your logic in signing approaching-apex players. If they aren't there/aren't going to help the team. Why would you do it?

Don't do what the Oilers do/did - Has this happened yet? No. No it hasn't. Maybe they tank next year, but it would be one year (not counting this year, as that wasn't their intent until it was too fargone to save). Not four successive years.

In short, the only thing that was definitely "say this, do that" was the off the board comment, which some would argue isn't all that bad given the circumstances. Hell, if they picked Poirier at #6, then ya, I'd be with you. But it's not what happened. The only other reach was Kanzig, and he was major - but meh, 3rd round picks, at least they nailed the first round IMO.

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#45 RexLibris
July 11 2013, 12:03PM
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I'm not certain there are going to be that many RFA targets available.

Those teams are above the cap, but have all summer to get below and the LTIR still has to take effect, for instance on Marc Savard's $4million cap hit.

The Flames could offer sheet Pietrangelo, but he has also said he wants to stay in St. Louis. The offer would have to be enough that it would cost the Flames at least a 1st and a 3rd if not a 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

If successful it would bring for the Flames one of the best young defensemen in the game, at the cost of virtually an entire draft year when the team is desperate to add both quality and quantity to their talent pool.

They could offer sheet a player in the range of a 2nd round pick, but that is only likely to bring in a complementary player with potential top six upside, something perhaps similar to a Paajarvi or a Kyle Clifford. It doesn't solve the problem.

Feaster obviously has something in mind, and I'm curious to see what it is.

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#46 RexLibris
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Eddie Shore wrote:

Honest question... Do you think the Flames have hit rock bottom yet? That is the scary part...

Can't know until the season is at least halfway through.

Their trajectory suggests this year and next are going to be bleak, but trajectories change all the time in sports.

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#47 Oilersfanincalgary
July 11 2013, 12:07PM
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Derzie wrote:

My beef with Feaster is about how he never quite does what he says. No going off the board proclamations were forgotten on draft day. Take advantage of a strong cap position, no dice. No Post-Apex players? get all pre-Apex players avoiding any Apex or approaching apex players. Don't do what the Oilers did (tank hard), do exactly what the Oilers did (tank hard). Maybe if he shut up I'd be happy because I don't mind too much the state of the team. I just can't handle his "say this, do that" mantra. I still think we need some Apex players in the mix to make this work.

Totally agree with your point (although this is by no means Feaster's only failing; don't forget failing to appreciate that he could have lost draft picks in addition to failing to add Ryan O'Reilly in the spring).

He seems to be almost like a politician in justifying his decisions, spinning things way beyond actual fact. Remember just last year he bragged that Mark Jankowski would be the best player of the whole draft class.

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#48 BJ
July 11 2013, 12:12PM
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Re: my previous post - not saying your rationale isn't valid and I wouldn't doubt that it played into the signing.

I enjoyed watching Craig Berube and Bob Boughner very much in the early 2000s.

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#49 FireOnIce
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Alcohol sales in southern Alberta will be at an all-time high this coming season.

I expect many losses to the Oilers and an obnoxious amount of gloating from their fans.

I expect CGY to not make the playoffs anytime soon. Especially given that teams in our division like SJS, VAN, LAK, ANA, and EDM are all better (or got better in the offseason) than the Flames.

I absolutely expect Ramo to put up a better season than Kipper. Miikka checked out a long time ago and they had to beg him to play that final home game. He didn't care and didn't really try. Ramo has a chance to turn this 2 year contract into a fat, Rask-like contract if he does well.

And that will be the sinker for the Flames. If Ramo puts up a stellar season, and Corban Knight is anywhere above average (not to mention goes on a Calder-winning season), and this team competes MOST nights, I could see them finishing 9th or 10th. Hell, maybe even 8th.

Boourns to that.

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#50 McRib
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"Get used to the Oilers killing Calgary" Hahahaha. Ya because they are going to be such a physically opposing team with all the Band Aid's still in the lineup (Hall, RNH, Ebs, Hemsky, etc). How did they solve that problem this offseason by trading for David Perron, Lol. Also they should have traded Magnus Paajarvi two season ago, everyone saw it coming that they wouldn't be able to play all those young players and he was the odd man out.... Have the feeling he is going to make Edmonton pay in a large way in St. Louis. They could have gotten a much better return for him if the Oilers had any foresight.

Easily the biggest lopsided scorer in the league, not to mention a huge Band-Aid. He will put up a Hatrick against the basement dwellers in a 7-2 win, but is going to be MIA in close games all season. Remeber when Edmonton was going to kill us in the last meeting of the season, when we had all our rookies in.... Lol. If Edmonton finishes the year outside of the first ten draft picks I would be surprised. This Perron move iseems very desperate move, as the Oilers brass understand the Halls, Ebs of the world are going to want out if things don't turnaround quickly. They offered more for basically every free agent this offseason and couldn't get anyone other than Andrew Ference post-apex and Boyd Gordon just another Ben Eager or Ryan Jones.

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