Flames Depth Chart and Needs Heading Into 2013 Free Agency

Kent Wilson
July 02 2013 07:57AM

 

 

The Stanley Cup has been won and the draft is over, but the summer is only just beginning. Unrestricted free agents will hit the open market this week and the bidding war will begin.

Normally there's at least a few big names inciting considerable interest across the league, but the truth is the UFA crop for this off-season is entirely underwhelming. The most interesting guys are probably going to be whoever gets bought out (Vincent Lecavalier, Ilya Brygalov, etc.).

Ironically. for perhaps the first time since the inception of the salary cap, the Flames have ample budget room heading into free agency ($24M+ if Kipper retires), but little need or indeed opportunity to spend it thanks to the state of the team and the unappealing UFA market.

Which isn't to say the Flames don't have needs and won't be making inquiries. Here's how the depth chart settle out currently:

Forwards

NHL

Cammalleri - Backlund (RFA) - Hudler

Glencross - Stajan - Stempniak

Baertschi - Knight - David Jones

Jackman - Horak - Bouma (RFA)

Blair Jones

UFA - McGrattan, Begin

AHL/ECHL

Street - Reinhart - Hanowski

Bancks (RFA) - Eddy - Nemisz (RFA)

Byron (RFA) - Patterson (RFA) - Aliu (RFA)

Howse - ? - Ferland

Elson

UFA - Walter, Kolanos, Testwuide

Junior/College/Europe

Gaudreau - Monahan - Agostino

Granlund - Arnold - Harrison

Poirier - Jankowski - ?

Klimchuk - Deblouw - ?

Gordon

Clearly the bulk of Feaster's work rests on the RFA side of things. The only forward RFA of high level importance is Mikael Backlund, but the Flames farm team also has significant needs. It's possible Greg Nemisz will get another contract from the team since they need some bodies to fill out Abbotsford, but I doubt he's considered a prospect of note anymore. Ditto Paul Byron.

On the NHL side, the depth chart is obviously underwhelming. Calgary would be shopping for talent a bit harder if they had managed to move Cammalleri at the draft, but I'm guessing he's going to have to stick it out for now and hope he lands with a contender at the deadline. The center depth chart after Matt Stajan is also a big question mark, with guys like Knight, Reinhart, Horak, Bouma and probably even Monahan all potentially duking it out at training camp.

In addition, this look shows you how weak the Flames are organizationally on the right side. Not only did the team fail to pick and develop a new star while Jarome was in town, they also mostly failed to back fill the RW position in general. After the Stempniak/Hudler/Jones trio at the NHL level, things fall of a cliff. Agostino is listed at RW out of convenience under college players, but he's naturally a LW. Feaster filled a bit of a gap when he traded for David Jones, but that side of the ice is going to look awfully thin very soon unless Calgary starts signing or acquiring some starboard talent. Stempniak has one year left on his deal and my guess is Hudler doesn't play out his entire contract in Calgary.

Defense

NHL

Brodie (RFA) - Wideman

Giordano - Butler (RFA)

Smith - O'Brien

UFA - Babchuk, Carson

AHL

Cundari (RFA) - Breen (RFA)

Wotherspoon - Lamb (RFA)

Ramage - Martin

Junior/College/Europe

Kulak - Sieloff

Culkin - Roy

Rafikov - Kanzig

Gilmour

Again, the Flames have a lot of RFA's to get to. For whatever reason Feaster and company haven't bothered to take care of this bit of business, so they'll be busy inking a lot of qualifying offers at the very least over the next week or so. Brodie, Cundari and Breen are all good bets to be done reletively quickly, while Butler will likely get another deal simply because Calgary needs NHL-ready guys on the parent club. Brady Lamb was a free agent signing out of collge who didn't do much in Abbotsford last year, so it's an open question whether the club will retain him or not.

John Gilmour was Calgary's last pick in the recent draft. He's already 20-years old so maybe he'll turn pro, although I suspect he'll stay in school long enough to finish his college degree since the NHL aspirations of most 7th rounders tend to go unfullfilled.

Goalies

NHL

Ramo

MacDonald

Kiprusoff (retired?)

AHL/ECHL

Berra

Ortio

Brossoit

UFA - Taylor, Brust, Irving

Junior/College/Europe

Gillies

There is obviously huge question marks at the top of the pile with Ramo, MacDonald and Berra all looking to somehow fill the Kiprusoff void. Junior stand-out Laurent Brossoit is old enough to turn pro this year, so watch for him, Ortio and Berra/MacDonald to duke it out for starting duties in Abbotsford. Whoever doesn't stick in the AHL will likely find themselves in the ECHL, although Ortio always has the option of going back to Finland.

As for Leland Irving, I doubt he is retained by the org. They have enough bodies competing at both the AHL and NHL levels and he's not a clear step up from any of them. The Irving experiment is over in Calgary.

Jon Gillies may be the goaltender with the highest ceiling in the organization currently, but he's just 19 years old and only has a single, outstanding season consisting of just 35 college games under his belt. We're a long ways away from knowing if he's truly an NHL starter or not.

Conclusion

If the Flames were trying to be competitive this season, I'd say they have a lot of work to do this summer. They're not, so that's not a concern.

The primary issue is getting all of the notable RFA's signed to decent deals and then looking for opprotunity and value where ever they may pop up. The top 4 lines of the NHL club are more or less complete, though my guess is Cammalleri and probably even Hudler would like to be playing elsewhere at some point in the near future - I can't imagine either guy having the interest in sticking it out through what is probably going to be a painful rebuild.

If a few contenders strike out in free agency, they may come calling about some of Calgary's vets like the two mentioned above in August, but then the Flames will have a lot of issues simply icing a team (unless they get NHL filler + futures in return). What seems more likely is deals to happen mid-way through the season or at the deadline.

There is some promise in Backlund, Brodie, Baertschi and it will be interesting to see how the goaltending settles out and perhaps what Corban Knight can do, but clearly this is a roster hunting for a good draft position and not the cup.

It's going to be long summer Flames fans, and likely an even longer 2013-14 season.

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#1 icedawg_42
July 02 2013, 08:04AM
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UGH @ that Right wing depth. Move Cammi an promote Sven!

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#2 BJ
July 02 2013, 08:07AM
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I think Button said that Poirier is RW although he can play either side.

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#3 jeremywilhelm
July 02 2013, 08:08AM
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Filppula please?

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#4 jeremywilhelm
July 02 2013, 08:09AM
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Watched some highlights. Poirier is ridiculously fast. His first couple strides are bafflingingly quick.

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#5 icedawg_42
July 02 2013, 08:09AM
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BJ wrote:

I think Button said that Poirier is RW although he can play either side.

Some of those highlights had Poirier zooming down the right side, passing defenders like they were standing still ...me likey.

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#6 icedawg_42
July 02 2013, 08:11AM
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icedawg_42 wrote:

Some of those highlights had Poirier zooming down the right side, passing defenders like they were standing still ...me likey.

haha..after watching those, I thought "he has &@%$ YOU speed" ...hopefully that's family friendly enough ;)

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#7 Baalzamon
July 02 2013, 08:12AM
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Regarding right wing: Cammalleri is and always has been a RW. The only time I'm aware of that he's spent on the left side has been with Jarome. Also, Poirier plays both wings, Horak and Reinhart spent a lot of time on the right side in Abbotsford last year, and Jankowski spent about a third of last season on RW.

Moreover, I've long suspected that the Flames would convert Arnold to RW as a pro. We'll see in a couple years.

Also, I find it odd that you list John Ramage on the left side even though he's one of only three right-shooting defensemen in the entire organization.

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#8 Denscafon
July 02 2013, 08:23AM
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Season of the young guns 2.0.... Glad Brad Richards didn't get bought out or feaster would probably offer him some outragous deal. I hope lecavalier would sign here but I highly doubt it though.

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#9 Burnward
July 02 2013, 08:34AM
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"If the Flames were trying to be competitive this season, I'd say they have a lot of work to do this summer. They're not, so that's not a concern.

I dunno Kent. Anyone else have the feeling we spend money to try to compete this summer?

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#12 jeremywilhelm
July 02 2013, 08:51AM
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Tom Gilbert being bought out? Would be an excellent addition to our top 4.

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#13 Stockley
July 02 2013, 08:55AM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

It's possible, but it would be a terrible error to spend a bunch of money on this line-up given who is available. Even if they landed all of the big name free agents (Weiss, Lecavalier, Horton and Clarkson) the team would still only be just okay.

I'm afraid Feaster will develop a terminal case of Dale Tallonosis. Panthers had a ton of cap space and chose to use much of it on guys like Upshall. The dollars thrown around don't scare me, they had to hit the cap floor. It was the term that was mind-boggling. If you're rebuilding and just signing stop-gap players until your youth is ready for the big-time why would you sign them to any term longer than 2 years? That's just an easy way to get stuck with some ugly contracts no one wants.

Calgary can't turn this around in a year. With it being a bad UFA crop prices are going to be out of this world, by 2pm on July 5th we're all going to be shaking our heads in disgust and just waiting for the next lockout where the owners once again blame the players and try to make them look like the villains for all the stupid contracts they throw around.

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#14 bookofloob
July 02 2013, 08:56AM
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With Feaster and the Flames mandate of "never rebuilding", you can never be too sure they won't try to sign some UFAs to remain competitive.

But that's probably a bad idea. There's only a few in there that you'd truly want, and everyone else you'd likely have to pay more to get given Calgary's less than positive outlook over the next few years.

Young Guns 2.0 is right. Strap in guys.

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#15 icedawg_42
July 02 2013, 08:58AM
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If the Flames go out and rent enough guys to allow prospects to stay where they need to be and develop, I'm ok with it...even if it means being "good enough" to forego the first overall pick in the next draft. IMO the most important step for this team right now is development of their crop.

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#16 Stockley
July 02 2013, 08:58AM
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bookofloob wrote:

With Feaster and the Flames mandate of "never rebuilding", you can never be too sure they won't try to sign some UFAs to remain competitive.

But that's probably a bad idea. There's only a few in there that you'd truly want, and everyone else you'd likely have to pay more to get given Calgary's less than positive outlook over the next few years.

Young Guns 2.0 is right. Strap in guys.

If they're going to overpay players I'd rather they pick up a few more contracts like David Jones. Players already signed, preferably guys with only 2-3 years left on their deals. Try and get some extra assets out of the deal as teams scramble to become cap-compliant and get rid of bad deals.

It's not that everyone with an ugly contract is useless; most of them are just overpaid for what they bring to the table. At this point I'd rather see a roster full of warm bodies and place holders in Calgary next season and let the kids continue to develop in Abby, junior, college, etc. Rushing kids almost never pans out. That strategy certainly works in Detroit.

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#18 Burnward
July 02 2013, 09:04AM
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If, for example, you added Weiss and Clarkson to the existing group...that's not a bad team at all.

Add some league average goaltending and we're right back in the playoff hunt.

Also, given what Calgary is going through right now I have a feeling they may try the "ray of hope" idea.

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#19 Burnward
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NO TOM GILBERT!! Guaranteed we hate him by early December at the latest.

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#20 Stockley
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Burnward wrote:

If, for example, you added Weiss and Clarkson to the existing group...that's not a bad team at all.

Add some league average goaltending and we're right back in the playoff hunt.

Also, given what Calgary is going through right now I have a feeling they may try the "ray of hope" idea.

I'm afraid you're right but I hope you're wrong.

The 'ray of hope' idea usually doesn't turn out much better than trading assets for magic beans. It's going to take more than overpaying a few guys in a weak UFA market to turn this ship around. They can call it whatever they want; this isn't a retooling, it's a rebuild. Rebuilds take time, there is no quick fix. I hope they stay the hell away from everyone on July 5th and try to pick up some deals from desperate players and/or teams in August.

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#23 Burnward
July 02 2013, 09:16AM
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@Kent Wilson

I agree, but as long as they don't lock them down for too long...spending a little isn't the worst thing in the world.

When the kids are ready, they'll be cheap for a couple years anyways and those contracts will be done.

As long as we keep our draft picks and pick as well as we have the last couple years, we'll be on the right road.

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#24 Ed Ward
July 02 2013, 09:16AM
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This is clearly a pretty awful Flames line-up as currently constituted and barring any stupid FA additions this team should be well on the way to competing for another high draft pick this year. Which I am totally in favour of. The best thing the Flames can do is SuckBadforEkblad or start the TheShamforSam

However, I think, if properly deployed, this forward line-up could lead to some positives.

The Glex-Stajan-Stemps line needs to be completely thrown to the wolves and face the opposing teams top line as much as possible. These guys may be able to keep their head slightly above water possession wise but their counting numbers will take a dive. Frankly not that big a deal. Stajan is gone, Glenx is locked into a deal and Stemps should be re-signed but hopefully on the cheap after this year.

This will free up the Cammy-Backs-Hudler line to face softer minutes and hopefully put up big numbers. This is especially beneficial if we have signed Backs to a long term deal. Cammy and Hudler's big time production will only increase their trade value and if Backs puts up big numbers but is locked into a long term deal its really only a benefit to his confidence.

Sven-Knight-Jones can face third liners which would be beneficial to Sven and CORBAN and hopefully increase Jones' trade value though I doubt we end up moving him with our lack of depth on the RW. His role may just be a placeholder for the duration of his deal till the prospects arrive.

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#25 Parallex
July 02 2013, 09:17AM
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I hope the Flames are extremely active on the Free Agent Market... even if they don't sign anyone I'd at least want them to jack the prices up for everybody else.

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#26 icedawg_42
July 02 2013, 09:18AM
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@Kent Wilson

Still ok in a short term no? 2 year deals..overpay, cause you have to?

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#27 NHL93
July 02 2013, 09:32AM
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What are the odds Feaster goes after Lecavalier? He could be a good veteran centre with the Habs. I really hope Calgary steers clear.

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#28 Michael
July 02 2013, 09:36AM
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I doubt the Flames would have received much interest in Cammy, unless of course they were willing to eat some of his salary. Since the ownership has shown little interest in doing this (and I can't really blame them), I doubt Cammy gets moved to the trade deadline. The Flames can eat much of his $7 million salary ($6 million cap hit), and he might become a rental at the deadline.

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#29 FireOnIce
July 02 2013, 09:38AM
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Still ok in a short term no? 2 year deals..overpay, cause you have to?

I'm okay with this. Slight overpays for short contracts. Let the kids develop, reassess where the team is in 2 years (for purposes of long-term contracts). Make it clear to the UFAs you're signing that this is the issue, not them.

What do people think about other teams' RFAs? That was sort of the point of having cap space. It appears that Calgary has a pick in each round next year (when was the last time THAT happened?), including their own second.

Alex Pietrangelo? Hear he's looking for Letang money ($7-7.5M per year). The JBo trade may have priced him off STL's team. Would be a nice building block if you could move one of Wideman or Giordano out. Might take less than that $7M, maybe he doesn't want to play in STL (seems weird given that they've got a good young team).

Cody Franson (TOR)? Paajarvi (EDM)? Teubert (EDM)? Muzzin (LAK)? Schroeder (VAN)? Blake Wheeler (WPG)?

If anything, force these teams to sign their players to fat contracts just to keep them.

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#30 Baalzamon
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icedawg_42 wrote:

If the Flames go out and rent enough guys to allow prospects to stay where they need to be and develop, I'm ok with it...even if it means being "good enough" to forego the first overall pick in the next draft. IMO the most important step for this team right now is development of their crop.

yes. Particularly the last sentence.

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#31 gotommygo
July 02 2013, 09:39AM
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BJ wrote:

I think Button said that Poirier is RW although he can play either side.

Poirier says that Poirier is a right wing that can play left wing. See the one-on-one interview at Flames site:

http://video.flames.nhl.com/videocenter/

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#32 meat1
July 02 2013, 09:44AM
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Another great article, Kent. You and your writers do a great job helping us keep us informed and in the loop.

First of all, after the dust has settled from Sunday's draft, I feel like Feaster did a good job. I know, I know, I don't prop the GM very often. Just that fact that we stepped to the podium and made three solid picks (no Jankowski swing for the fences, no trading away picks, etc) earns a nice review from me.

Secondly, regarding free agency. For the first year in, well, since forever, we have money to spend. What I would like to see is one of two things. Number one, don't spend a penny. Or, number two, look at signing a couple players to two-year terms that will allow our prospects to stay and develope where they should. How about Vinny and a solid d-man that can eat some minutes?

I realize we will probably not be able to convince players to come here easily. As a result, this scenario will be difficult. However, looking forward, I see trade value coming in return for Cammy, Hudler, Wideman, and say Vinny down the road.

Hopefully in a year or two, our young players are ready to step in, and these vets that are moved provide more picks moving forward.

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#33 Kevin R
July 02 2013, 09:45AM
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If we had kept JBO, Iggy & Kipper didn't retire, I don't think we would be any more attractive destination for the quality UFA's. We all knew the Buckley tablespoon of yuuuch was coming. I think Monohan is going to get some games at the beginning of the year before he is sent back down. I really think we need to have Sven elevated up to that 2nd line. He has to start playing with better players as our expectations begin to rise from him. I really had hoped we would have traded one of our vet dmen to Carolina for that 5th overall. Didn't happen, so now move on. From what I saw, our top 6 to start the year are there, short of Feaster luring some 4-5 dman UFA. Brodie, Wideman, Gio, SOB, Cundari, Butler & one of Smith/Breen. We may see one of the kids play well enough to get a looksee like Wotherspoon.

Forward group has Hudler/GlenX/Sven/Backs/Knight/Stajan/Cammi(until TDL)/Stemps/Bouma/Jones/Jackman/Horak/Reinhart

We are not going to scare anyone next year. But we need to let players get a taste of the position we expect them to be in. Create opportunity. I think we use the cap space to start accumulating 2014 1st's & 2nds. Wonder if we can get Tampa's 1st or 2nd for taking Malone off there hands, stuff like that. Bottom line, this year, all these young guys will be asked to step up their games as we run into injuries. The wins this year is watching these young guys play well in situations, regardless of wins/losses.

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#34 BJ
July 02 2013, 10:02AM
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Parallex wrote:

I hope the Flames are extremely active on the Free Agent Market... even if they don't sign anyone I'd at least want them to jack the prices up for everybody else.

I agree... sign some UFAs 2-3 year deals and then turn them into draft picks at the trade deadlines in the next couple years.

If you look at the Oilers they never did this. Their rebuild could have been much quicker had the signed some guys and moved them for picks when the market is right... like at the trade deadline.

Bolland was had for some mid round picks, at the trade deadline this year I imagine he could have netted a first or a second + prospect. Hell Paul Gaustad snagged a first a couple years ago.

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#35 MC Hockey
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I'm afraid Feaster will develop a terminal case of Dale Tallonosis. Panthers had a ton of cap space and chose to use much of it on guys like Upshall. The dollars thrown around don't scare me, they had to hit the cap floor. It was the term that was mind-boggling. If you're rebuilding and just signing stop-gap players until your youth is ready for the big-time why would you sign them to any term longer than 2 years? That's just an easy way to get stuck with some ugly contracts no one wants.

Calgary can't turn this around in a year. With it being a bad UFA crop prices are going to be out of this world, by 2pm on July 5th we're all going to be shaking our heads in disgust and just waiting for the next lockout where the owners once again blame the players and try to make them look like the villains for all the stupid contracts they throw around.

Agree with your premise that if signing stop-gap players, you should NOT sign for over 2 years, but if you want Lecavalier or others for that purpose, you are probably forced to sign for 4 or 5 years due to the competition...I expect Flames to overpay and get Vinny at 5 years at 5.5M per year. By the time he retires in 5 years will be 3rd line C killing penalties.

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#36 MC Hockey
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What are the odds Feaster goes after Lecavalier? He could be a good veteran centre with the Habs. I really hope Calgary steers clear.

I expect he will go after Vinny...and overpay and "overterm" him

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Tom Gilbert being bought out? Would be an excellent addition to our top 4.

Agree, as long as we don't pay over 3.5M per year. He's a #4 or #5 guy I think, solid defensively.

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#38 MC Hockey
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Signing capable NHLers for one or two seasons as placeholders is fine. The problem for teams like Calgary who aren't expected to win but have lots of caproom is you generally have to fill any half-way decent UFA's pockets to convince him to sign a contract with you.

Exactly!

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#39 MC Hockey
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I'm okay with this. Slight overpays for short contracts. Let the kids develop, reassess where the team is in 2 years (for purposes of long-term contracts). Make it clear to the UFAs you're signing that this is the issue, not them.

What do people think about other teams' RFAs? That was sort of the point of having cap space. It appears that Calgary has a pick in each round next year (when was the last time THAT happened?), including their own second.

Alex Pietrangelo? Hear he's looking for Letang money ($7-7.5M per year). The JBo trade may have priced him off STL's team. Would be a nice building block if you could move one of Wideman or Giordano out. Might take less than that $7M, maybe he doesn't want to play in STL (seems weird given that they've got a good young team).

Cody Franson (TOR)? Paajarvi (EDM)? Teubert (EDM)? Muzzin (LAK)? Schroeder (VAN)? Blake Wheeler (WPG)?

If anything, force these teams to sign their players to fat contracts just to keep them.

I like some of those ideas...I would on the surface like Flames to get Peitrangela, Muzzin, and Wheeler.

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#40 BJ
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Kevin R wrote:

If we had kept JBO, Iggy & Kipper didn't retire, I don't think we would be any more attractive destination for the quality UFA's. We all knew the Buckley tablespoon of yuuuch was coming. I think Monohan is going to get some games at the beginning of the year before he is sent back down. I really think we need to have Sven elevated up to that 2nd line. He has to start playing with better players as our expectations begin to rise from him. I really had hoped we would have traded one of our vet dmen to Carolina for that 5th overall. Didn't happen, so now move on. From what I saw, our top 6 to start the year are there, short of Feaster luring some 4-5 dman UFA. Brodie, Wideman, Gio, SOB, Cundari, Butler & one of Smith/Breen. We may see one of the kids play well enough to get a looksee like Wotherspoon.

Forward group has Hudler/GlenX/Sven/Backs/Knight/Stajan/Cammi(until TDL)/Stemps/Bouma/Jones/Jackman/Horak/Reinhart

We are not going to scare anyone next year. But we need to let players get a taste of the position we expect them to be in. Create opportunity. I think we use the cap space to start accumulating 2014 1st's & 2nds. Wonder if we can get Tampa's 1st or 2nd for taking Malone off there hands, stuff like that. Bottom line, this year, all these young guys will be asked to step up their games as we run into injuries. The wins this year is watching these young guys play well in situations, regardless of wins/losses.

Totally agree... when I look at the development of our own prospects that have been mishandled and that of other teams as well we have to make sure not to repeat the same mistakes.

Even if it is a mistake in terms of GA, Baertshi should definitely be in the top 6 this year.

I'd like to see Reinhart and Horak playing top 6 minutes in abbotsford for the most part, but what I really want to see are a couple open spots throughout the lineup where we bring players up for some games here and there to reward the hardest workers in Abbotsford. Show the kids some light at the end of the tunnel and create some excitement on the Heat.

While I would like to see a couple UFAs signed that we can shop in a year or two I still want to keep a couple roster spots open. Too often Sutter would sign garbage UFAs unnecessarily and that sent a bad message to the farm. When JD Watt left the team something was obviously wrong.

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#42 icedawg_42
July 02 2013, 10:20AM
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Even if it is a mistake in terms of GA, Baertshi should definitely be in the top 6 this year.

--THIS! Don't turn Sven into a Shutdown guy

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#43 gotommygo
July 02 2013, 10:29AM
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@Kent Wilson

Calgary's first line in 2014/2015?

Klimchuk-Monahan-Poirier

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#44 Subz
July 02 2013, 10:34AM
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BJ wrote:

I agree... sign some UFAs 2-3 year deals and then turn them into draft picks at the trade deadlines in the next couple years.

If you look at the Oilers they never did this. Their rebuild could have been much quicker had the signed some guys and moved them for picks when the market is right... like at the trade deadline.

Bolland was had for some mid round picks, at the trade deadline this year I imagine he could have netted a first or a second + prospect. Hell Paul Gaustad snagged a first a couple years ago.

Agreed, this is the reason we need to be active in the UFA market.

We need assets to gain asset come trade deadline.

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#45 Vowswithin
July 02 2013, 10:35AM
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Jeff Schultz anyone? Was just bought out

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#46 Rockmorton65
July 02 2013, 10:43AM
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I'm in favor of signing Vinny and maybe one other. Not to be competitive or make the playoffs, but to help develop our youngsters. The organization I would most like to see the Flames emulate is Detroit. What Detroit does is brilliant. They have their vets (some homegrown, some brought in) and they keep the team competitive while the kids learn on the bottom 6. By having Datsyuk playing top minutes, it allows a kid like Tatar the time to grow and learn the system. Then, if developed properly, when Pavel is ready move on, Tomas is ready to take over, and they bring in someone new, and the cycle continues.

I worry about taking the futures of the franchise, and throwing them to the wolves. Sven getting his head kicked in every night for 2-3 years will do nothing for his development. If we get one or two vets to guide them through the ass kickings, it'll be a much easier transition.

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#47 Rob Ravage
July 02 2013, 10:44AM
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Jeff Schultz anyone? Was just bought out

Maybe...depending on $$$ wanted.

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#48 Rob Ravage
July 02 2013, 10:46AM
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Hearing that Minnesota willing to part with Setoguchi to free up cap space. Wonder what the asking price is...bring him home. On this team he'd be an upgrade on offensive talent.

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#49 Jeff Lebowski
July 02 2013, 10:49AM
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Watched some highlights. Poirier is ridiculously fast. His first couple strides are bafflingingly quick.

You know what I noticed in many of those highlights? That once he moves past guys he just separates- guys can't even reach him with stick. He doesn't slow down to make his plays. Also there is one clip with him getting puck on right side, you can't see the d in frame, he accelerates and you see d why d out of frame, they immediately started backing up once he got puck then he totally beats them anyway-by cutting across net-not shooting backhand or going behind net. Also how on the puck he is. WOW!

If those skills are there- he has that, then consistency or strength can be improved.

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#50 Fats
July 02 2013, 10:52AM
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Schultz, Hunwick and Russell would be great additions to our D. Top 6 Brodie - Gio Wideman - Russell Schultz - Hunwick

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