Flames Sign 3 more, including Monahan

Kent Wilson
July 22 2013 12:00PM

 

Jay Feaster continues to cross items off his summer "to-do" list. This weekend RFA's Lance Bouma and Paul Byron were inked to 1-year, two-way deals while word came down today that 6th overall pick Sean Monahan has been signed to a 3-year entry level contract. Like many high-level draft picks, Monahan's deal features a few performance bonuses that push up the annual average cap hit to $1.775M per season.

Monahan may be in the mix to make the parent club this year, although unless the Flames figure he will be a Gabriel Landeskog or Sean Couturier level talent right off the bat, it would probably make a lot more sense to send him back to junior for one more season. No doubt he gets a 9-game try-out to start the year either way.

There are only two bits of business remaining for Feaster at this point: the Tj Brodie contract, which is a complicated, and RFA Carter Bancks, which should be a lot easier. No doubt Bancks will be inked within the next week or two (assuming the team plans on keeping him) and then it's just down to waiting for Brodie's bridge deal to be finalized.

 

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#51 Colin.S
July 22 2013, 10:09PM
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Scary Gary wrote:

Wow I'm glad you've cancelled your tickets too, we don't need negative part-time fans in the building. I'm actually way more excited about this year than I was last year. Having to watch the vets try to grit it out against the leagues best was embarrassing.

I'm excited for this year as well. I think the teams gonna be bad, but damn it will be exciting to watch.

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#52 MC Hockey
July 22 2013, 10:13PM
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icedawg_42 wrote:

Theres more than enough precedent that you could demonstrate - with many examples, that rushing him could ruin his career. If he's smart he'd be cool with coming up the right way. Flames are in the toilet anyway, and Monahan being with the big club will not impact that significantly one way or another. Don't sacrifice this kid's career to (hypothetically) sell a few more tickets on hope.

Give him his 9 games and send him to junior.

Agreed!

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#53 aloudoun
July 22 2013, 10:14PM
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Give him 9 game and let him go rip it up in Ottawa and then the World Juniors in December :)

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#54 Sad Flames Fan
July 22 2013, 10:17PM
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sooo glad you're not an actual flames fan and that you don't post here that often. All I think when you post is sad trombone.

I am a disgruntled Flames fan. I was a season ticket holder for 20 years. I have just reached a point where I can't be sold on hope anymore and I decided to quit throwing my money away on watching a declining team. I hope they rebound, I really do. But I have become a harsh realist. They will stink the next couple of years and I voted with my hard earned dollars. Wake me up when the rebuild is over.

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#55 Scary Gary
July 22 2013, 10:46PM
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@Sad Flames Fan

Ahhh come on what else are you going to do on a Wednesday night at 7pm? Buy a Baertschi, Brodie or Backlund jersey and watch the cards fall as they may. You could always go 1/3 of season tickets with two other guys.

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#56 Kevin R
July 22 2013, 11:17PM
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Just for my 2cents worth, I think Monoman knows he will get a guaranteed 9-10 game shot at NHL living. If he rocks, he stays. & why not, if is playing like a calder candidate, why in Gods name would we send him back then. If he sputters by end of November, if Im not correct, I'm pretty sure Flames can let him play on the WJC team in December & then he's back with the Flames after the tournament. I could be totally wrong about that but I don't care , it sounds good to me.

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#57 loudogYYC
July 23 2013, 01:25AM
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@Sad Flames Fan

Out of all the years you could've dropped the seats, you choose next season? It's the first season of the forced rebuild where management can no longer sell the BS they've been feeding us for 5 years, no more 32 year old veteran "missing piece" signings or trading away 2nd rd picks for rentals. This upcoming season is the most exciting one since 2007!

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#58 chillout
July 23 2013, 06:25AM
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@Sad Flames Fan

real fans suffer the ups and downs of teams. Complaining about it and saying you'll only watch when they are good is kind of silly. do you suffer from depression? cause seriously every post of yours I've ever seen is so down in the dumps and negative. Maybe you should talk to someone....

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#59 BJ
July 23 2013, 07:10AM
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@MC Hockey

question:

Can we send Monahan to junior right away? ... or say give him like 4 games then send him to junior and then bring him up for the reamining five or however many at the end of the season... once Stajan has been dealt and once the 67s have been knocked out..

It is an olympic year so the nhl season will likely run late again.

Can we do that without burning a year of his elc?

I just think games at the end of the season would be more beneficial than putting Mon in games at the beginning of the year...

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#60 the-wolf
July 23 2013, 08:06AM
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re: Monahan staying up - there's almost zero downside to him going down, getting stronger, dominating, improving his conidence and offensive game and being a leader at the WJC. Scratch that, there is zero downside.

On the other hand, there's too many example to name regarding rushed prospects not fulfilling their potential.

Great prospect camp or not, he was playing against what are essentially peers his own age. It's a whole giant leap to play against mature men in the NHL.

This is such a no-brainer it's ridiculous. What does the teamor Moanahan lose by playing another year in junior? NOTHING!

People knock the Oilers for burning off the ELC on all their young stars, including RNH, and are now finding every excuse to bring in Monahan and suddenly not caring about the ELC.

Give him his 9 games, let him domiante and play at WJC and mature and get stronger. "'Nuff said."

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#61 Kurt
July 23 2013, 08:08AM
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BJ wrote:

question:

Can we send Monahan to junior right away? ... or say give him like 4 games then send him to junior and then bring him up for the reamining five or however many at the end of the season... once Stajan has been dealt and once the 67s have been knocked out..

It is an olympic year so the nhl season will likely run late again.

Can we do that without burning a year of his elc?

I just think games at the end of the season would be more beneficial than putting Mon in games at the beginning of the year...

Its 9 games, doesn't matter when they happen.

And once his season is over he CAN play for the Heat. IMO this would benefit him a ton.

Jordan Eberle was sent back to junior after his draft. He had his WJC heroics that year. Then year end he went to the AHL for 10'ish games and played PPG hockey in the AHL. I actually think he may have done this for 2 years (junior > AHL)

Whatever the case, I think he is the only prospect the Oilers handled properly. The kid comes to NHL camp ready to make the team, with experience playing pro hockey against men from his stint in the AHL. AND he also has a clear understanding of the difference between CHL > AHL > NHL. He has a full summer to train for the NHL camp after his AHL stint.

I can't think of a reason why this isn't ideal, unless you care about selling jersey's and merchandise this year (I don't).

This is what Detroit would do. Rushing a 6th overall pick into the league is what Edmonton or the Islanders do.

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#62 Kurt
July 23 2013, 08:18AM
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the-wolf wrote:

re: Monahan staying up - there's almost zero downside to him going down, getting stronger, dominating, improving his conidence and offensive game and being a leader at the WJC. Scratch that, there is zero downside.

On the other hand, there's too many example to name regarding rushed prospects not fulfilling their potential.

Great prospect camp or not, he was playing against what are essentially peers his own age. It's a whole giant leap to play against mature men in the NHL.

This is such a no-brainer it's ridiculous. What does the teamor Moanahan lose by playing another year in junior? NOTHING!

People knock the Oilers for burning off the ELC on all their young stars, including RNH, and are now finding every excuse to bring in Monahan and suddenly not caring about the ELC.

Give him his 9 games, let him domiante and play at WJC and mature and get stronger. "'Nuff said."

^^ THIS

I would point out that depending on your perspective there is more than "zero downside". The downside is called MERCH. Jersey's, bobble heads, posters etc. Also the general sense of hope and marketing hype. If ownership cares only about a bit of merch and fuzzy feelings about future hope they may keep him up.

I'd suggest that how the kid is handled will speak volumes about the place ownership is at in terms of supporting the rebuild or wanting to rush things along.

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#63 piscera.infada
July 23 2013, 09:16AM
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After giving this much (partially) sober second (and third) thought, I actually don't see a feasible way Monahan stays up past his 9 games - unless of course, he clearly beats out Stajan or Backlund in training camp for top-6 minutes (in which case I see a meager Stajan trade right before the season). The wild card here being Knight.

The org sold Knight as a 3rd line centre with 2nd line potential who is ready to go in that role. As such, I see it being contra his development if they play him in a fourth line role. There is ZERO chance they play Monahan in a fourth line role (as per many of Feaster/Weisbrod/Conny's sound-bites). Thus, we may see Knight play fourth line minutes for the first 1 to 9 games of the season while Monahan is up. After we send him back to the OHL, Horak (or Bouma) becomes the de-facto fourth line guy, and Knight gets bumped up with plenty of PP2 and PK time.

I firmly believe Knight is a guy they want to get going - and get going early in this rebuild. He's actually a guy that when you decipher the organization's rhetoric surrounding him, plugs in as much more than a stop-gap measure. He is a means to centre depth, and should be played as such. In my mind (all Corban Knight joking aside) he is one of the biggest keys to this rebuild so far, providing he steps up and plays/leads as advertised.

Thus, when you factor everything in regarding Monahan that was stated in earlier posts coupled with what we know about Knight's role in this club, I think it's pretty clear that Monahan will not have the first year of his ELC burned through, unless he supplants either Stajan or Backlund. I see no way they play Knight on the fourth line unless something goes horribly wrong.

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#64 everton fc
July 23 2013, 10:06AM
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I bet $10 that Feaster is keeping Byron as he illustrates the return for Regier/Kotalik/2nd rounder. But I agree, what can he bring? The dude is like John Stamos with the Beach Boys.

Saving face...

A lot of guys in the development camp have more upside/potential than Byron right now. The only other reason would be he can play a full season in Abby. He certainly can't be one of the first "emergency call ups" if injuries hit.

@Ryan I could see the Flames actually moving Jackman. They probably won't, but they could, if they needed a roster spot, for he'd be valuable to quite a few teams, and McGrattan may actually score more goals, as he did last season. Bouma may need a stint in Abby. Time will tell, but I'm not convinced he makes the team out of camp. Yet. Knight seems penciled in by everyone, due to his being a right-handed centre. But he may end up on the farm, as well, if he proves in pre-season he's not ready.

I'd send Monahan back to the OHL. Bouma or Horak can be the 4th centre. Unless he truly tears it up in pre-season. I get a sense they may keep him on the big team. A bit of a gamble, but like S - if he's an obvious NHL talent, why send him back to the OHL? Like Skinner, he may be ready. We need to take that chance. Perhaps. But I do appreciate and respect this quote, by Kurt, above: "This is what Detroit would do. Rushing a 6th overall pick into the league is what Edmonton or the Islanders do."

Blair Jones should be a two-way option if someone gets hurt. Nut if you move him and Jackman, you have two more roster spots. Does Reinhart play a full season in Abby now that he lost his jersey #?!

@sean charles You may have nailed it below, though I don't think their looking to put Knight on the 4th line, it may be best, to see that he offer. I see no way Galiardi sits in the press box. He could get 82 games, on this team. And as long as they have Blair Jones signed, he also gets the chance to come up, when time is earned. Nemisz will never get another look in the NHL. And that 3rd line below will put up some points, me thinks.

Cammalleri-Backlund-Hudler

Baertschi-Monahan-Jones

Glencross-Stajan-Stempniak

Galiardi-Knight-Bouma/McGrattan

"Trade Jackman cause youll probably have 8 dman on the team." - Yep.

"Give Horak/Reinhart/Hanowski/Nemisz/Granlund (if in N.A.) injury recalls based on AHL performance." Replace Nemisz with B. Jones. If Granlund stays in Europe, and Ferland goes to Abby and gets his act together, Ferland goes on this list.

Neeless to say, a lot of open issues. Which makes it fun to be a fan, this camp.

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#65 Baalzamon
July 23 2013, 04:06PM
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I don't know that Reinhart cares all that much about his jersey #. He wears #25 in Abby, and wore #20 when he was drafted (IIRC). Seems like the sort of bloke who'll switch if it's available, but won't make an issue of it.

Though one must wonder why the Flames gave #23 to Sean... near-sightedness, I guess.

Has anyone else noticed that Bouma is now listed at #17 on the Flames website?

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#66 BJ
July 23 2013, 05:10PM
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Kurt wrote:

Its 9 games, doesn't matter when they happen.

And once his season is over he CAN play for the Heat. IMO this would benefit him a ton.

Jordan Eberle was sent back to junior after his draft. He had his WJC heroics that year. Then year end he went to the AHL for 10'ish games and played PPG hockey in the AHL. I actually think he may have done this for 2 years (junior > AHL)

Whatever the case, I think he is the only prospect the Oilers handled properly. The kid comes to NHL camp ready to make the team, with experience playing pro hockey against men from his stint in the AHL. AND he also has a clear understanding of the difference between CHL > AHL > NHL. He has a full summer to train for the NHL camp after his AHL stint.

I can't think of a reason why this isn't ideal, unless you care about selling jersey's and merchandise this year (I don't).

This is what Detroit would do. Rushing a 6th overall pick into the league is what Edmonton or the Islanders do.

And the WJC is a sticking point for me as well... that is a cool experience and they shouldn't deprive him of that...

same as Philly with Couturier...

Although it does seem that the 1st overall gets into the show no matter what now... I think Nashville expects Jones to be there.

Monahan might be ready for the NHL I don't know... and I have a feeling that burning a year off the ELC will not be a problem for Feaster...

Whether he is or not, don't we have the luxury in that we don't need to be that competitive next year. Might as well take advantage of it...

Then there is the whole what injuries can do to young players which is another reason to give him that extra year as you say where he understands what it will be to play in the NHL

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#67 BurningSensation
July 23 2013, 09:15PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Ideally, I'd send him down regardless, but Im resigned to the fact that management will be motivated to keep him up and will certainly do so if he can play.

Im okay with it if he can actually keep his head above water, because then at least he's contributing and improving, even if it won't be enough to really matter to the overall success rate of the club this year.

The alternative is the front office wants to sell hope regardless of his readiness, things get ugly and that cheap first year is totally wasted on all fronts.

The counter argument for keeping himup rests on the principle that if he can legitimately hold down a top six role against men right now, then his development might not be advanced any if you send him down.

He should compete at the highest level of competition that he can excel at.

If he is excelling in the NHL? Burn the year, the kid earned it, and his development is better served facing heavy competition.

If he earns a top six role and you send him back down just to save money for his next contract you send the wrong message to both him and the team. Monohan because you are openly being cheap with him (and just try and ask for a hometown discount on his next contract), and the team because mgt is selling this whole thing as a meritocracy.

The only question is then, can he cut it in a top 6 role?

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