Five things: Jay Feaster and the Terrible, Horrible, No-Good Very Bad Week

Ryan Lambert
July 04 2013 08:16AM

 

 

(Author's note: If you are one of those people who thinks I am too negative about the way the Flames are run, I advise you skip this column for reasons which the headline should make obvious. There's nothing here for you.)

1. Let's get the good thing out of the way

It has not under any circumstances been a good week for Jay Feaster, and while I guess, "Jay Feaster screwed up again," can't technically qualify as news in July 2013, it's at least important to note that he isn't totally terrible at his job.

Early this week he successfully acquired winger TJ Galiardi from the San Jose Sharks for the low, low price of a fourth-round pick two drafts from now. This is good business, as is signing him to a one-year deal for next to nothing. Getting even a warm body to fill out the NHL roster for almost no cost at all, in terms of assets or money, is a very good thing.

There are concerns there, of course. That Galiardi won't even come close to replicating what he did in his rookie year, which was no especially great shakes itself, is obviously front and center, because he couldn't even succeed in terms of production when he was inexplicably slotted onto San Jose's top line.

But again, it's a low-cost deal with no risk beyond this season if it doesn't work out, and you'd rather they give that kind of deal to a 25-year-old than a 34-year-old just for the sake of getting Experience In The Room or whatever nonsense they could cook up. That's because, if he succeeds, you don't have to have any qualms about giving him another three years without expecting everything to flatline at some point during the deal.

Now, with that praise having been doled out, it's time to get into the far larger number of things Feaster screwed up since last we spoke. You've been warned. Twice.

2. The first bad thing

Not long after 5T was published last week came news that the Flames had traded Alex Tanguay and Cory Sarich for David Jones and Shane O'Brien, which is a trade I don't really understand at all.

On the surface, it's the team moving its famous "post-apex" players for those that are decidedly "pre-apex," though taking on an addition $500,000 in salary to do so. That's an extremely negligible amount of money, but it grows to an additional $2.5 million against the cap in 2014-15 because O'Brien is signed for an additional year beyond what Sarich was.

So what's the problem with this trade: It's what it represents. The words people used in talking about this deal are the ones Feaster has been parrotting needlessly since everyone in the front office realized how bad the team was late last season. "Bigger," "harder to play against," the ideals of an era long gone. O'Brien is an obvious upgrade over Sarich, because just about anybody would be (Sarich really only succeeded by even meager terms because his competition was garbage, though it should be noted O'Brien's better performance in terms of corsi relative was also against relatively low-quality opponents).

Jones, meanwhile, may be younger than Tanguay but he's also appreciably worse, signed for the same amount of time, and for more money. He was good a few years ago, and the theory is that the Change of Scenery will do him good, but I'd really like to see it before I start believing it.

This was a deal made with a good idea in mind, so credit there, but the execution was certainly lacking.

3. Another mistake

That, I suppose, brings us to the two other obvious screw-ups, both of which were made at the draft. I'm not hugely in favor of taking Sean Monahan over Valeri Nichushkin (Monahan being the one guy in the consensus top-6 I wasn't totally sold on, based on the information available to me), but it's probably the safer pick, so I can't really begrudge it. 

However, when it comes to Emile Poirier, though, I thought that pick was outrageous. Not specifically because I don't think the player can turn into an NHLer, per se — though I'm always dubious of a highlight reel that's nothing but him blowing the doors off some poor-skating CHL defenseman to the outside, and of first-round QMJHL wingers in general — but because few had him going at No. 22. Judging by his reaction when his name was called, that included Poirier himself. This was made more troubling by the fact that Hunter Shinkaruk was just sitting there, waiting to be chosen several picks after everyone assumed he'd be taken.

Of course, Feaster assures everyone that Poirier was safely inside Calgary's top 10 draft-eligible prospects, which seems odd for a guy for whom the buzz was that he "might" go in the first round. Kent called it a "no brainer" when Shinkaruk was there at 22, and yet here we are with that player as Canucks property and Poirier already talking about making the team. Woof.

This goes back to Calgary's supreme confidence in its scouting, because even a decent pick at No. 28 like Morgan Klimchuk, whom they swear they had at No. 13, shows that if they have a plan, they don't deviate. Meaning that a team which hasn't drafted particularly well in forever is putting all its faith in internal scouting, and not deviating from its plans no matter what.

Is Poirier going to be a better NHLer than Shinkaruk? I don't know. But I know that every other hockey person on earth didn't think so on Sunday afternoon. I can't go around putting a lot of faith in the thinking that led to an off-the-board-of-picks-that-were-off-the-board pick like Mark Jankowski. As it was put to me at the conclusion of the first round: The fact that we're using "It could have been worse" as praise for the team's drafting at this point tells you everything you need to know. Especially when you're talking about The Most Important Draft In The History Of The Calgary Flames. 

The other guy who they shouldn't have drafted is Keegan Kanzig, who objectively sucks at hockey, and was selected when a number of more enticing prospects including Jordan Subban were still available.

You just really can't trust the Flames to not screw things up at draft time. That's the lesson here.

4. Comments on Lecavalier

And you can say the same thing about the lip service paid to the rebuild. The second an over-30 player in which the Flames had any interest came on the market (Vinny Lecavalier), all pretense of pursuing only "pre-apex" players went directly out the window.

Jay Feaster practically performed an interpretive dance routine in talking about how badly he would like Lecavalier in Calgary, all but screaming that when it comes to players of his ilk (assumedly, this means 33-year-old second-line centers who had just been bought out and whom Feaster had previously managed) "transcend post-apex." That, for those scoring at home, is shorthand for "All that stuff I've been saying is BS." This is the guy being trusted to rebuild the Flames. It's insanity.

The only reason that we're not talking about Lecavalier being on the team as a result of the team having been so thoroughly mismanaged to this point that it's no longer a prime free agent destination, if it ever was one, which is debatable. Thankfully, the Flyers, too, are in the business of giving out questionable free agent contracts, and they at least present the illusion of success.

5. Brodie's fixing to be offer-sheeted

Just prior to my writing this, it was revealed that Jay Feaster has yet to even open negotiations with TJ Brodie about a new contract, since he is about to become a restricted free agent starting tomorrow.

We've been told that this is fairly common practice: GMs and player agents alike are fairly happy to wait around, let UFAs set the market, and then negotiate a deal toward the end of summer. Okay, fine.

But there's a problem for Feaster specifically, and something that should give people pause overall. Feaster is the most recent general manager to do the worst thing a person in his job can do: He offer sheeted another team's player. This makes him and the Flames' RFAs, of which there are several, targets. And of those targets, only a small number would actually be worth the trouble. At the very tipppy-top of that list is Brodie, who teams in the market for defensemen — say, I don't know, Colorado — would likely do very well to add.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see someone pay Brodie a little more than market value on an offer sheet just to twist the knife with the Flames' rebuild plans. And maybe that GM will actually have the benefit of understanding how NHL waivers work.

6. B-B-B-BONUS-S-S-S-S THING

There is, of course, a way for Feaster to redeem himself. Yesterday, for seemingly no good reasons, the Wild and Sabres bought out two players that Calgary should be targeting hard. Tom Gilbert, a 30-year-old former Oiler though he is, could provide help in the near-term and maybe create some flexibility to trade someone with actual value (Giordano) while they still have it.

Gerbe, meanwhile, is just 25 and was completely misused by Lindy Ruff in each of the last two seasons — largely in a checking role — and is certainly worth a shot with another club that, say, has plenty of minutes to go around in its top six and needs warm bodies. He's being bought out, by the way, on a deal that pays him just $1.45 million against the cap for next season only. Someone would be wise to at least give him another chance, because he's just two seasons removed from scoring 16 goals in 64 games.

Get either one of these guys, and that's a step back in the right direction.

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#51 Captain Ron
July 04 2013, 01:28PM
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Warning: This post is largely about writing style, not hockey. Feel free to skip it if you're not interested in that. Also, it's a long one. Like RexLibris long.

I usually refrain from commenting on tone or writing style on FN - it's a hockey blog, not a literary magazine, after all - but today I'm making an exception because of all the bile that has been directed at Lambert's writings as of late.

I enjoyed this week's 5T (as I often do), but I especially liked the fact that in spite of extra warnings about pessimism, this was actually a pretty balanced take with several (mildly) positive comments. Given the kind of week it's been, I don't think you could honestly have said any nicer things about the Flames' moves.

Obviously, the tone was still a bit snarky, but that's just Lambert's writing style. Personally, I enjoy a bit of snark so I really don't see it as a problem. I have no idea if I am in the majority or the minority on this matter, but certainly the people who don't like the acerbic stylings of Mr. Lambert are very vocal about it. I therefore think it's only fair that I should speak up and express my appreciation of this kind of writing.

I'm not saying that those who dislike this kind of writing are wrong, just reminding them that taste is subjective. Plus, it's not like Lambert is making up all the questionable things Feaster has done. For whatever reason, our GM seems determined to make one questionable or just bad move for every decent or good move he makes. He does make some good moves, to be sure, but that makes it all the more mystifying and frustrating when he goes out the very next day and makes boneheaded mistakes.

Nice Lambert apologist comment. You sound like his Mom. "Oh he was a little bit snarky today but that's just my Ryan."

His "attack ad" style of writing is the reason that some "bile" is directed his way in the aftermath. Not everyone likes it.

Since some one has already done it for me I won't bother to criticize his suggestions that we "seriously" look at signing Tom Gilbert. After all Jay Feaster and Flames management I will assume can redeem themselves in his eyes if they do this:

"There is, of course, a way for Feaster to redeem himself. Yesterday, for seemingly no good reasons, the Wild and Sabres bought out two players that Calgary should be targeting hard. Tom Gilbert, a 30-year-old former Oiler though he is, could provide help in the near-term and maybe create some flexibility to trade someone with actual value (Giordano) while they still have it."

No mention of Minny's goaltending save percentage of somewhere around .875 last year with Gilbert on the ice though. Must have been his on ice partners fault.

On top of that we could add another smurf who was possibly underutilized in Buffalo.

Yup this is just what the Flames need. Of all the players that will be available we should "target" these two guys.

After criticizing Feaster for things such as draft choice preferences in the first round that may or may not work out based on the general consensus of others he obviously holds in higher regard than him, he lays that last bit of brilliance on us.

For the most part RL reaps what he sows. I'm sure he knows that.

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#52 McRib
July 04 2013, 01:31PM
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@piscera.infada

Understand everyone here has been let down by the Flames before, but Backlund is nowhere close to the skater Poirer is not to mention he has plus size with similar offensize number game should translate to NHL better.

After watching Hunter Shinkaruk all season it doesn't surprise me he fell. After watching one YouTube of Emile Poirier, I actually can't understand how he only went 22...... The only thing I am worried about in terms of Vancouver is Bo Horvat.

Considering Colton Gillies went 16th his draft year, only because he had size and could skate. Porier has the similar wheels/frame combination, but unlike Gillies he doesn't have hands of stone, Zero Hockey IQ he has good hands and a plus shot. People who like Poirier say he could be the steal of the draft, count me as one.

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#53 piscera.infada
July 04 2013, 01:39PM
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@McRib

You're misunderstanding my line of thought. I really like the Poirier pick (for all the reasons you mention). I'm just not betting the farm (that I don't own) on him being a first line winger. I see him - as it stands, at this very moment - as a second line guy, with first line upside.

As Kurt said though, assuming all our prospects meet or exceed their ceiling is a risky business. All I'm saying is that as much as I like Poirier, Monahan, and Klimchuk - I wont go ass-over-tea-kettle if they aren't our first line in the future. I have no doubt in my mind that they will contribute to the Flames moving forward - but I'm under no illusions that you can cherry pick two of those guys and bill them as the next Getzlaf and Perry.

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#54 Kurt
July 04 2013, 01:40PM
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Emile Porier can skate like the wind (youtube) with great size, he plays with a chip on his sholder (101 PIMs) and took his game to another level offensively despite weak club when it mattered most willing team to upset of Rimouski in the first round (26 pts in final 20 games). You can write him off as a first liner, but he has Corey Perry written all over him for me. Hunter Shinkaruk is a Sam Gagner second line PP scorer for me. 6'2" Forwards that can skate like the wind are hard to come by.

If he had Corey Perry written all over him he would have been taken top 3, probably 1st overall.

Corey Perry won the Hart Trophy and Maurice Richard. If you expect that from Porier, I don't even know what to tell you. Wow...

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#55 McRib
July 04 2013, 01:50PM
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Corey Perry was drafted 28th overall in a very deep draft much like this season!!!!! At the time of the 2003 Draft most in the Hockey World looked at Anaheim selecting him as reaching, because many felt he should have gone in the second round. They both put up eerily similar numbers their draft years and play an identical up-tempo forecheck high pressure game, thanks to a much sought after plus Size/Skating combination.

Obviously Corey Perry is best case scenario, but in deep draft years certain players tend to fly under the radar and like Corey Perry I think and so do most out east, Emile Porier is one of them.

For you to say that someone great should go third overall because they are currently a great NHLer, clearly shows how clueless you are to the Drafting Process!! One of the best players in the NHL Pavel Datsyuk went 171st in the Draft!! Not too mention countless others that you would consider "Steals" something that Poirier is looking like to me.

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#56 Kurt
July 04 2013, 02:04PM
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Corey Perry was drafted 28th overall in a very deep draft much like this season!!!!! At the time of the 2003 Draft most in the Hockey World looked at Anaheim selecting him as reaching, because many felt he should have gone in the second round. They both put up eerily similar numbers their draft years and play an identical up-tempo forecheck high pressure game, thanks to a much sought after plus Size/Skating combination.

Obviously Corey Perry is best case scenario, but in deep draft years certain players tend to fly under the radar and like Corey Perry I think and so do most out east, Emile Porier is one of them.

For you to say that someone great should go third overall because they are currently a great NHLer, clearly shows how clueless you are to the Drafting Process!! One of the best players in the NHL Pavel Datsyuk went 171st in the Draft!! Not too mention countless others that you would consider "Steals" something that Poirier is looking like to me.

I'm not debating its possible. Its just highly unlikely. For every Datsyuk there are about 20,000 fails. Shae Weber went in the 2nd round. Duncan Keith the 3rd (I think). You also could win Lotto 649 because that happens for someone. But anyone who counts on winning the lotto as their retirement plan is an idiot.

I'm just saying don't put so much pressure on these kids. Slotting them in as pillars of a rebuild is crazy talk.

I found it ironic that you say Shinkaruk will probably only turn into Sam Gagner like thats some kind of fail. Realistically that would be considered a home run for any late 1st rounder. Gagner would have led our team in scoring last year quite easily. If any late first rounder turns into a 60pt guy you should do back flips. Also I'm no Coiler expert but I don't think Gagner even played on the PP very much. For sure not 1st PP. I think I'd be pretty jacked if Porier got anywhere near to Sam Gagner numbers. That would be considered a home run at the end of the 1st round. Perry late 1st is like a once in a lifetime NHL anomaly (like Datsyuk).

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#57 McRib
July 04 2013, 02:05PM
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The one thing that people seem to be missing is the absolute strength of this seasons draft!!!! If this was any other draft year (6, 22, 28 picks) would still make a skeptic out of me, but this is the deepest draft in a decade, since 2003!!!

A year in which Ryan Suter went 7th, Dion Phaneuf-9th, Jeff Carter-11th, Dustin Brown-13th, Brent Seabrook-14th, Zach Parise-17th, Ryan Getzlaf-19th, Brent Burns-20th, Ryan Kesler-23rd, Mike Richards-24th, Corey Perry-28th, Loui Eriksson-33rd, Patrice Bergeron-45, Shea Weber-49, David Backes-62

Top Draft years like this you dont compare players to average first rounders. A 22 overall pick this year in all likelihood would be a Top. 10-15 any other year. You gotta ask yourself where would Corey Perry have gone in a weaker draft... Then compare that to a Morgan Klimchuk. Any other year a player like Morgan Klimchuk who was a top leading scorer at the U18s for a championship Canadian club would not be going 28th.

For me the Flames got three players that any other year would be Top. 10s (Monahan Top. 3), thats why I cannot be a skeptic. Top. 10 have a good chance of panning out. Look at the players who went in the first round... Most or all of them are already leading scorers or top two Scorers on their team, hence the deep draft year they are already better than first rounders or anyother top junior players older than them.

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#58 piscera.infada
July 04 2013, 02:14PM
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@McRib

It sounds like you have it all figured out. When Klimchuk wins a Richard and Hart trophy, then I'll pat you on the back.

One more time (and I'll get out of everyone's hair on this point); I like our first round this year - in fact, I really like it. However, to compare it to 2003 (AT THIS POINT IN TIME) has absolutely no leg to stand on. It's a baseless assertion until we see some (nay, all) of these guys play.

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#59 Flames Nation Who?
July 04 2013, 02:16PM
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Umm this is more pathetic than all of the other FN posts. Can't you guys hire "editors" that actually understands the game and whom actually do researches on the topic they talk about. It seems to me their only goal of writing these bs are to trash the flames. LAMBERT MY A$$

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#60 piscera.infada
July 04 2013, 02:18PM
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@Flames Nation Who?

The door's at the top right, bro.

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#61 McRib
July 04 2013, 02:26PM
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Hahah, Never said anyone was going to win a Heart Trophy @Kurt impied that I did, just said Emile Poirier's situation to when he was drafted and style of game was similar to Corey Perry's, that's it that's all.

I do think people aren't realizing how deep this draft is going to look in a couple years and to have three upside first rounders is a great thing!! In 2003 the first round produced 15-16 Franchise type players, considering we have three first rounders in the best draft since it, I just can't see us ending up with no less than Two Top.6 forwards (trying to stay conservative for you, Haha), plus Sven Baertschi/John Gaudreau. Thats a very decent start.

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#62 BJ
July 04 2013, 02:39PM
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@Lambert

You are way off on a couple things.

The first is you are making a deal out of the Lecavalier thing. Feaster was asked a direct question by the mdia as to whetherhe considered Lecavalier postapex. He is not going to publicly cut down Le avalier the day he is bought out. Did he talk to Lecavalier sure... why not. If we could have signed him to a three year deal... why not. He would defintely be worth something a couple trade deadlines from now.

Monahan is a problem for you really? A guy who played against the toughest comp in the league and who carried hi team most nights. You rather us draft the next Zherdev?

Poirier looks like a pretty good pick all things considered. From what I saw most GMs arent convinced Shinkaruks skills will translate to the NHL. Eveb Mantha who is just a good shot went ahead of him. His low ranking is more due to his rookie season and has nothing to do with how he projects. You have to trust your scouts and pick from the list regardless what TSN and the media have to say.

I enjoy your blogs but you are way off here and this blog is an example of exactly what is wrong with sports media in this country.

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#63 Sean Bennett
July 04 2013, 02:39PM
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"Meaning that a team which hasn't drafted particularly well in forever is putting all its faith in internal scouting, and not deviating from its plans no matter what."

As opposed to putting their faith in bloggers and independent drafting agencies?

They pay their scouts for a reason, bud.

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#64 BJ
July 04 2013, 02:43PM
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Umm this is more pathetic than all of the other FN posts. Can't you guys hire "editors" that actually understands the game and whom actually do researches on the topic they talk about. It seems to me their only goal of writing these bs are to trash the flames. LAMBERT MY A$$

Yup..lambert.typically I enjoy your writing but this post is foolish. You sound like a whiny kid who is crying because Feaster didnt make the exact moves you would have made... all in all it was actually a pretty good week for Feaster.

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#65 RJ
July 04 2013, 02:52PM
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Anyone know if there's any truth to the suggestion in this article that the Flames had a potential deal for Seguin squashed because ownership didn't want to pay Seguin's second contract?

http://www.csnne.com/blog/bruins-talk/source-seguin-peverley-traded-stars

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#66 McRib
July 04 2013, 02:55PM
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Let me assume the role of cynic for a moment as being the hype guys isn't working for me at the present time.... "Pretty Good Week for Feaster" Haha. Or best week as a Flames GM?!?!?

If Lambert cannot get excited about the last couple of weeks he isn't going to like Feaster much tomorrow, because you know we are signing at least one overpriced FA!!!

At least by July 10th our shiny new prospects will be arriving into town and everyone other than Lambert will rejoyce at least a little.

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#67 piscera.infada
July 04 2013, 02:55PM
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@RJ

The article says nothing really. Perhaps if we knew what Boston really wanted it would be more fruitful getting worked up over.

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#68 McRib
July 04 2013, 02:58PM
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Yes, heard it would have included our sixth pick among other things (they wanted Gaudreau), was at the draft and people said it was fairly close to happening.

Glad it didn't as it seems Tyler Seguin has a bit of a partying problem in Boston and they were shipping him out to the highest bidder we were on a list of three-four teams actively talking with them.

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#69 RJ
July 04 2013, 03:16PM
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Yes, heard it would have included our sixth pick among other things (they wanted Gaudreau), was at the draft and people said it was fairly close to happening.

Glad it didn't as it seems Tyler Seguin has a bit of a partying problem in Boston and they were shipping him out to the highest bidder we were on a list of three-four teams actively talking with them.

I know that Monahan is a very highly rated prospect, as is Gaudreau. But Seguin is a proven NHL player, who led his team in scoring two years ago, and has won a Cup, all at the age of 21. From reading comments from fans in Boston, Seguin was never a prototypical Bruin-type player and didn't fit the Bruins mold, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't thrive in another system.

I would think getting traded is a pretty good wake-up call, as is the media reports he was partying around so hard he wore the same clothes for three days in a row. A very public wakeup call seemed to work for Kane. We'll see if it works for Seguin.

I would have made that trade in a heartbeat. That's one potential positive on Feaster's record expunged by ownership.

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#70 BJ
July 04 2013, 03:22PM
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Let me assume the role of cynic for a moment as being the hype guys isn't working for me at the present time.... "Pretty Good Week for Feaster" Haha. Or best week as a Flames GM?!?!?

If Lambert cannot get excited about the last couple of weeks he isn't going to like Feaster much tomorrow, because you know we are signing at least one overpriced FA!!!

At least by July 10th our shiny new prospects will be arriving into town and everyone other than Lambert will rejoyce at least a little.

Fair enough.... Im not trying to "hype" the last week but overall we added 3 good forawrds at the draft didnt draft a goalie in the first round and made a couple trades... how about instead of pretty good i say not bad.... cause that is what it was. "terrible it was not. "amazing it was not. But lets drop the dramatics inject some realism.

I dont see why the Lecavalier thing is a big deal either way. Feaster was asked a loaded question by the moronic media. He side stepped it... he knows Vinny... he is not going to say anything negative to the media.

One of the reasons I read FN is because for the most part it cuts through the media BS and offers some insight to fans.

The tanguay trade is realistic for his age and production the last couple of years.

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#71 McRib
July 04 2013, 03:33PM
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Did you see what Dallas gave up?!?!? It was not just the sixth pick (Monahan) & Gaudreau by the way it was them and two-three other top picks prospects, easily one of Poirer or Klimchuk. Imagine if we walked away from the draft with just Poirier during a rebuild year....

Dallas just dismantled their AHL/Farm System completely, as I think Joe Morrow, Reilly Smith & Matt Fraser are legitamite NHLers. That is not what Calgary needs right now a questionable Seguin and all our good young guys out the door. Honestly don't be surprised if Carey Price gets traded as well then, similar rumblings at the draft for him, Montreal not happy with his extracurriculars.

Man Boston totally won this trade, IMO. Loui Eriksson had 29 points replacing Tyler Seguins 32 points. They dump Seguins big contract and all his question marks, as everyone in Boston said he paints the town red nightly and that’s all he cares about. He literally party's with all the Patriots Bad Boys (Vereen/Gronk). Plus Boston get two very legitimate NHL ready prospects in Fraser/Smith not to mention former first Morrow and dump Peverleys Salary.

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#72 Sean Bennett
July 04 2013, 04:14PM
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To think it was only a week ago that Lambert had a column that didn't give me a hematoma. Back to normal I guess.

1. Gagliardi was such a good signing even Lambert can't crap on it. Moving on.

2. Jones and SOB for Tanguay and Sarich is pure win. Not surprised that Lambert would prefer an over the hill winger with attitude problems and terrible underlying numbers over a younger power winger with 20 goal upside who can play anywhere in the top 9 AND a depth defenseman who can drop the gloves. I guarantee that if Calgary had flipped a youngish forward in his late 20's and a solid #6 D-man for a breaking down skill winger he would have vommitted all over it. It's only because Feaster is involved that he has to go though these contortions of logic, time and space to see it as a bad deal.

3. 20+ teams passes on Shinkaruk, Calgary and Columbus did so twice. Gosh but the consensus by outsiders was that he should be higher, so Feaster (and the other 20 plus scouting departments) must be wrong! Poirier is bigger, faster, didn't decline in production year over year, and he was within a handful of goals of Shinkaruk's total. We couldn't trade down and be guaranteed to get him because Montreal had him as their target.

Likewise, if Feaster had actually drafted a Russian winger with a small sample size for offence that occurred over a few under-scouted leagues over a Canadian born pivot with size and two-way ability his column exorciating Feaster would have written itself. As it is, he is now in the position of suggesting that Feaster made a mistake going with the consensus #6 overall pick who fits our needs over a player who fell to the bottom of the top 10. So to recap this, he dumps on Feaster for not going with the consensus pick at #22, and dumps on Feaster for taking the consensus pick #6. Stay classy Lambert.

4. The comments on Lecavalier are easily explained. Feaster was never going to get Lecavalier to come to Calgary, but it wasn't going to hurt to try. If Feaster hadn't interviewed him he wouldn't be doing his job. So of course, the fact that Feaster did interview him means to Lambert that Feaster did something wrong. It's hockey in Bizzarro world. Nor is Feaster going to come out and publicly declare that a guy he has a relationship with is 'post-apex' at the very time that player is trying to get a new deal. I'm sure that is how Lambert would treat his friends, but then, I have trouble seeing him actually having any.

5. Brodie being offer-sheeted would be the best possible result. Any offer sheet we wouldn't immediately match would bring back a return well in excess of Brodie's value. Would I take a 1st and a 3rd for Brodie? Yup.

6. I guess it shouldn't be shocking that Lambert would target a 30 year old D-man who is soft, and who couldn't cut it in either Edmonton or Minnesota. That's how he rolls.

That all said, Gerbe has been misused by the Sabers, and might make an interesting energy line pick-up. So he did get one thing correct.

LOL, point 3 is just f'ing awesome.

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#73 chillout
July 04 2013, 05:11PM
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All I could picture was Lambert watching the draft screaming "Outrageous!!Outrageous!!" in a high squeaky voice every time Shinkaruk got passed over by another team.

Another thing for me was him complaining about Poirier's highlight reel and how he only has one move, but isn't Nichushkin's reel pretty much the same thing as well??(I haven't seen either reel). Just sounds a little hypocritical to me.

Oh and you really think Brodie is going to get an offer sheet this early? P.K. didn't get one last year and how long did it take him to sign? Really not something we're going to have to worry about either way.

The whole Vinny thing was pretty stupid too. I mean really if you can get a player like that for the right price you'd be idiotic not to get it done.

Basically makes me wonder why Lambert writes about the flames so much when he has such a hate on for everything they do. Surprised he didn't complain about the million bucks they donated to flood relief and how it should have gone to such and such charity.

Oh and for the other people quit complaining about the draft picks in rd's 6 and 7, you sound like idiots whining over those picks. Teams are supposed to go off the board there and find the guys that other teams missed. Besides pretty much all of those picks never play anyway.

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#74 BurningSensation
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@chillout

"Another thing for me was him complaining about Poirier's highlight reel and how he only has one move, but isn't Nichushkin's reel pretty much the same thing as well??(I haven't seen either reel). Just sounds a little hypocritical to me."

Nichushkin's highlight reel;

http://vimeo.com/66567397

Shows a 'sameness' in how he scores his goals. He comes down the wing with speed, drives the D-man wide or simply bulls his way into the slot, makes a nifty stickhandle and scores. I do REALLY like the move where he walks his defender along the blueline before he drives the lane and eventually makes a backhand pass to Kuznetsov.

Here's Poirier;

http://youtu.be/pIBLICwkIQk

Which shows (I think) a wider range of skills than Nichushkin's does. That said, at least some of Nichushkin's highlights are against either international competition (which is decidedly tougher than QMJHL), or from an actual men's league (the KHL), so his degree of difficulty is likely higher.

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#75 Flames Nation Who?
July 04 2013, 06:49PM
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Lambert better keep an eye on these comments and take into account how to write his next pose, or else he might lose his job very soon

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#76 Captain Ron
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chillout wrote:

All I could picture was Lambert watching the draft screaming "Outrageous!!Outrageous!!" in a high squeaky voice every time Shinkaruk got passed over by another team.

Another thing for me was him complaining about Poirier's highlight reel and how he only has one move, but isn't Nichushkin's reel pretty much the same thing as well??(I haven't seen either reel). Just sounds a little hypocritical to me.

Oh and you really think Brodie is going to get an offer sheet this early? P.K. didn't get one last year and how long did it take him to sign? Really not something we're going to have to worry about either way.

The whole Vinny thing was pretty stupid too. I mean really if you can get a player like that for the right price you'd be idiotic not to get it done.

Basically makes me wonder why Lambert writes about the flames so much when he has such a hate on for everything they do. Surprised he didn't complain about the million bucks they donated to flood relief and how it should have gone to such and such charity.

Oh and for the other people quit complaining about the draft picks in rd's 6 and 7, you sound like idiots whining over those picks. Teams are supposed to go off the board there and find the guys that other teams missed. Besides pretty much all of those picks never play anyway.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes again...your exactly right.

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#77 BJ
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Its starting to become obvious that Lambert's personal bias against Feaster is clouding his judgement to the point where he makes irrational claims like drafting Sean Monahan was a mistake.

If Sean Monahan develops into a top Center for the flames this post will look even more ridiculous than it already does.

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#78 Jeff In Lethbridge
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this place is getting weird..

I had to go back and look at the door to make sure i hadn't stumbled into 'nucks or oiler nations...

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#79 KetchupKid
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You people are toxic.

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#80 rj
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I don't want to discount the possibility that every one of the first rounders won't be future NHLers. One or two of them might even become All-Stars someday.

But the failure rate of draftees to play even 200 games is pretty high. So when you have a proven player who has won a ring, and he's only 21, then Seguin is more than just a prospect, he's a proven top-6 player who hasn't scratched the surface on how good he could be.

Seems like a calculated risk, but it's one I'd take. We'll see in a couple of years whether I look like an idiot for suggesting it. lol

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#81 Robb
July 05 2013, 02:06PM
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Lambert: "Is Poirier going to be a better NHLer than Shinkaruk? I don't know. But I know that every other hockey person on earth didn't think so on Sunday afternoon."

Sure seems like a lot of teams thought that quite a few players were a hell of a lot better than Shinkaruk on Sunday afternoon. The Flames were not the only team to pass this guy up. Whether that's because of his attitude, his interviews, what coaches and trainers said about him, who knows. I'm just tired of people ripping the Flames apart for passing on him when A DOZEN teams did. Seems totally ridiculous to me.

Ripping the Flames for trying to get Lecavalier also seems pretty stupid to me. The Oilers' rebuild has been ongoing for 6-7 years (and counting) now and one of the biggest complaints fans have is the lack of leadership and veterans. Their team has some of the fastest, most talented players in the NHL and they STILL SUCK. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I'm just shocked that your ideal rebuild would look similar to Edmonton's. I don't want to wait 7, 8, 9, 10 years without playoff hockey.

I want my team to draft properly, regardless of where we finish each season in the standings and I want them to turn it around as fast as they can while doing it properly. Does this mean I want them to do it wrong? No. I'm patient and willing to wait as long as it takes TO DO IT PROPERLY.

Brodie is not going to get offer-sheeted and even if management was worried he would be, that's no reason to overpay him now. If it happens, it happens. If it's a good offer sheet, we match it. If it isn't, we let him walk and take the picks. As much as I like Brodie, he's an asset like any other player. Personally, I would love to see the team sign him to a 5-6 year deal for 2.75 mill each year. Similar to a Roman Josi contract with a high reward, fairly low risk.

I think what frustrates me most about your negativity Lambert is that you aren't willing to give the team any benefit of the doubt when it comes to the draft, which, frankly, they've done quite well at the last couple years. Despite having 3 pretty solid 1st rounders, albeit 1 that you didn't agree with, you bashed their draft without even giving the kids a chance to play and (like most of us) without even watching the majority of the picks play a significant amount of time.

Anyways, long story short, this will be the last "5 Things" that I read until the negativity is a little more...'fair'? I have enough negativity in my life right now with my grandmother suffering from terminal cancer and a newly acquired heart infection called myocarditis which basically makes my heart hurt like hell and makes me easily exhausted. I don't need to read negative report after negative report about one of my favourite things in life, my hockey team. There were a lot of happy Flames fans excited about these draft picks and the new direction of the team, which so many of us have been WAITING for. I'm sure there are teams that drafted better than the Flames this year and I'm sure there are teams that drafted worse but this negativity is ridiculous.

GFG.

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#82 Trianglereverie
July 05 2013, 05:38PM
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McRib wrote:

Emile Porier can skate like the wind (youtube) with great size, he plays with a chip on his sholder (101 PIMs) and took his game to another level offensively despite weak club when it mattered most willing team to upset of Rimouski in the first round (26 pts in final 20 games). You can write him off as a first liner, but he has Corey Perry written all over him for me. Hunter Shinkaruk is a Sam Gagner second line PP scorer for me. 6'2" Forwards that can skate like the wind are hard to come by.

As a Kinesiologist. What's more intriguing to me is not just that Poirier can skate like the wind. It's how quickly he accelerates in 1 or 2 strides to top speed. That's a natural talent that is under valued in the NHL. And few people in the NHL Can do that. Most of the guys need 4 or 5 strides to hit top speed.

That's something in it self.

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