Flames Re-sign McGrattan

Kent Wilson
July 04 2013 05:36PM

 

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For two years apparently. Because GRITCHART.

 

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#1 Colin.S
July 04 2013, 05:41PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

For $750k per season.

NOT EVEN LEAGUE MINIMUM!!?!?!?!?!

Is there some sort of requirement in Calgary to have a minimum amount of salary sitting in the press box or something????

Well, who are we gonna draft 1st overall next year?

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#2 Baalzamon
July 04 2013, 05:45PM
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@schevvy

Don't worry, there's an obvious plan here. The contract is two years. Aaron Ekblad and Connor McDavid are available in the next two drafts.

That can't be a coincidence.

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#3 Lober
July 04 2013, 05:45PM
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I am actually ok with this signing. If you're going to dress a fighting it might as well be the biggest and toughest fighter you can get. I have seen Jackman lose to many fights and would much rather Mcgrattan dress. Mcgrattan B.Jones Bouma is my 4th line next season. That way we still have speed and a bodyguard on the 4th line. There is no reason to dress both Jackman and Mcgrattan and since Mcgrattan is a much better fighter and in my opinion just as good of a player if not better then Jackman, I dress Mcgrattan and waive/trade Jackman

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#5 suba steve
July 04 2013, 06:14PM
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There were times in the past when one of the few things we had to hang our hat on (as Flame fans) was that we had probably the toughest SOB fighter in the league, Sandy McCarthy. I do not hate this signing, we are getting younger, and we are likely not going to be a contender for at least 2 years. I see no real downside as long as he doesn't take playing time away from a kid, and we all know he will be lucky if he gets 5min of ice per game played. So, nothing to get all worked up about.

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#6 beloch
July 04 2013, 06:21PM
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Everybody knew the Flames were going to dress an enforcer this season, no matter what. I'd far rather they reupped McG than trade useful assets for someone else to fill the same role. This signing, while not a good thing in and of itself, is the lesser of several unknown evils, so I welcome it.

As for McG, he's far from the worst enforcer in the league when it comes to playing hockey, although that isn't saying much. However, one thing he's got going for him is that he's a damned good enforcer. The Flames would do well to print this picture out 6 feet wide and wall-paper the visitor's dressing room with it.

http://flamesnation.ca/uploads/Image/McGratten.jpg

Enforcers are not going to go away as long as the rules around fighting permit enforcer-battles (e.g. Two pugs dropping their gloves 2 seconds into the first period). As much as I hate the waste of resources and gratuitous violence, I don't blame the Flames for this decision. I blame the NHL for not finding ways to evolve the game past this.

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#7 Karasu89
July 04 2013, 06:31PM
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why do you guys care so much about this signing..its a who cares signing. these guys are more about if they are popular in the dressing room..since none of us know how he is then this is a decent signing...save your sighs for the over payment of more third line left wingers and centres..feaster is rebuilding the 04 flames but in 2013..we are gonna suck anyway..so we should be happy

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#8 EddyBeers
July 04 2013, 06:31PM
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I like it. He comes to play. We aren't contending next year anyway are we? So much negativity.

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#9 sincity1976
July 04 2013, 07:00PM
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I don't normally like contracts to goons. But I am fine with this one.

One, watching heavy weights duke it out is exciting. This team isn't going to be all that exciting over the next couple of seasons. So why not?

Two, the team did play with an increased level of energy after acquiring him.

Three, with all the kids on the ice having a bit of protection (perceived or real) will help with their confidence.

Four, most players will tell you that having this type of player on your roster DOES make a difference. In a random team game sometimes we have to acknowledge that the numbers don't tell the entire story. If the players feel better having him it is probably a good thing.

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#11 Veggie Dog
July 04 2013, 05:39PM
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sigh

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#12 Baalzamon
July 04 2013, 05:40PM
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Yeah. GRITCHART and all that.

Really though, if Hartley thinks the team needs a facepuncher (for some inexplicable reason), might as well be McGrattan, who's already known and liked (I guess) in Calgary. The devil you know, and all that.

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#13 mattyc
July 04 2013, 05:40PM
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sigh

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#14 schevvy
July 04 2013, 05:40PM
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And Kent knows the money. Nice. Can't wait for the Begin signing

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#15 schevvy
July 04 2013, 05:41PM
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Actually come to think of it, why couldn't they just re-sign Begin instead? At least Begin can play

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#16 FireOnIce
July 04 2013, 05:43PM
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So, Feaster really is off on Independence Day holiday. What a waste of a roster spot and cap space.

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#17 schevvy
July 04 2013, 05:43PM
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Damnit Connor MacDavid, why can't you be a year older

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#18 Optimist
July 04 2013, 05:47PM
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Look after the kids. Well liked in the dressing room. Good.

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#19 the forgotten man
July 04 2013, 05:48PM
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Grit chart > post apex

On another note, do Sarich, McGrattan, Babchuk, Modin, Cervenka, Comeau, Begin etc have Feaster's cousin for an Agent...inquiring minds want to know.

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#20 schevvy
July 04 2013, 05:49PM
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@FireOnIce

No he's not. Dallas is in the conference with Winnipeg. Calgary is in the conference with LA. Positives!

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#21 schevvy
July 04 2013, 05:50PM
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This is like the Sarich signing, met with universal displeasure. Which is of course justified

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#22 Bruins
July 04 2013, 05:54PM
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Lober wrote:

I am actually ok with this signing. If you're going to dress a fighting it might as well be the biggest and toughest fighter you can get. I have seen Jackman lose to many fights and would much rather Mcgrattan dress. Mcgrattan B.Jones Bouma is my 4th line next season. That way we still have speed and a bodyguard on the 4th line. There is no reason to dress both Jackman and Mcgrattan and since Mcgrattan is a much better fighter and in my opinion just as good of a player if not better then Jackman, I dress Mcgrattan and waive/trade Jackman

I totally agree. The players play with more confidence when he is dressed. When needed he is good guy to have around.

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#23 BurningSensation
July 04 2013, 05:55PM
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At least we have a mentor for Keenan Kanzig.

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#25 Danger
July 04 2013, 06:01PM
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Oy vey.

While we're on the subject of dancing bears, I assume this means they figure Keegan "Kickpuncher" Kanzig will be ready to ride pine and punch face in three years... ugh.

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#26 RossCreekNation
July 04 2013, 06:01PM
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The only surprise is the 2nd yr. Signing doesn't really concern me, b/c he's getting less than the 925k you can bury if need be. Meh.

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#27 Bezer
July 04 2013, 06:05PM
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*whispers* I like it..

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#28 The G
July 04 2013, 06:06PM
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LOL, this is hilarious. Calgarypuck thinks this is the best signing ever and flamesnation thinks this is awful. To be honest, the truth is likely somewhere in between, and if he is truly that terrible, you can waive him and send him to the minors.

I have no problems with bringing him in to protect the kids. Best quote from Baertschi re: Mcgrattan:

He came over to me and said, "You can do whatever you want out there. As soon as someone jumps you, I'm going to go out there and kill them."

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#29 knapper
July 04 2013, 06:31PM
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Can't believe Dallas traded for horcoff what a joke one good move followed up by stupidity!

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#30 Subversive
July 04 2013, 06:32PM
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Since the goal for this year should be to lose often, I heartily applaud this signing, just wish it was only for 1 year.

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#31 Karasu89
July 04 2013, 06:36PM
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good thing we are not fans of dallas here..5 mil for horcoff 5 mil for gonchar..if we get this angry for an insignificant signing like mcgratten what would we do if we were fans of the stars...

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#32 Flamesboi
July 04 2013, 06:57PM
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tbh it's only flames "fans" on FN that gets ignited all the time, if you go on HFboard or other sites most fans love this signing.

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#33 clyde
July 04 2013, 07:03PM
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Flamesboi wrote:

tbh it's only flames "fans" on FN that gets ignited all the time, if you go on HFboard or other sites most fans love this signing.

Just a very few Flame fans who don't like this signing. As some have said on here, he comes to play to the best of his ability every night, sticks up for his team mates and from all reports is very well liked and respected by his team. He apparently has some of the best advanced stats for his role as well. Look no further than the Sesito scraps. I believe the team won both those games too.

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#34 chillout
July 04 2013, 07:03PM
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That one goal I saw was pretty sweet! Almost looked like he had some skills. I like him anyway even if he's not much of a player and if he actually did say that to Sven then I like him even more. And really The flames are low on contracts so gotta fill the rosters somehow, and yes there are tons of mediocre players out there but might as well take someone who is good in the room and won't steal minutes from our young skill guys. He has one job to do.

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#35 Danglesnipecelly
July 04 2013, 07:14PM
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sincity1976 wrote:

I don't normally like contracts to goons. But I am fine with this one.

One, watching heavy weights duke it out is exciting. This team isn't going to be all that exciting over the next couple of seasons. So why not?

Two, the team did play with an increased level of energy after acquiring him.

Three, with all the kids on the ice having a bit of protection (perceived or real) will help with their confidence.

Four, most players will tell you that having this type of player on your roster DOES make a difference. In a random team game sometimes we have to acknowledge that the numbers don't tell the entire story. If the players feel better having him it is probably a good thing.

Agree with this. I do think he's good for the team....in the short term anyway. Face puncher or not, a little bit of crazy is always a good thing IMO.

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#36 RKD
July 04 2013, 07:22PM
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We might not like the signing but when the new Flames were introduced and Feaster was speaking about O'Brien and adding guys with personality because last season it was a "dead room" and a "dead bench" I thought that spoke volumes that they guys in the dressing room didn't even show up.

McGrattan might be useless but Feaster wants guys that hate to lose, I think McGrattan, O'Brien, and maybe Galiardi to some extent have that. Not sure about Jones though.

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#37 Uppies
July 04 2013, 07:32PM
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Sorry guys but anyone that hates this signing should quit covering hockey. Anyone who has played the game knows having a guy like Big Ern on the team allows everyone else to play their game. And with the youth we are going to ice this season, there has never been a more important time for a guy like him. Quit thinking that everything in sports can be determined by advanced stats and realize that intangibles and team chemistry are a huge part of it.

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#38 Captain Ron
July 04 2013, 07:45PM
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Uppies wrote:

Sorry guys but anyone that hates this signing should quit covering hockey. Anyone who has played the game knows having a guy like Big Ern on the team allows everyone else to play their game. And with the youth we are going to ice this season, there has never been a more important time for a guy like him. Quit thinking that everything in sports can be determined by advanced stats and realize that intangibles and team chemistry are a huge part of it.

I agree with you 100%. Ask Teemu Selanne how much better he felt having Tie Domi around when he was playing in Winnipeg early in his career.

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#39 MoFugger21
July 04 2013, 07:50PM
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If the 4th line is only going to play less than 4 minutes a game, what does it hurt to have a guy like McGrattan playing those minutes? The last thing the Flames need is to have their young guys (Knight, Monohan, etc) playing 4th line minutes, so they gotta fill those spots with someone. I like it!

(Edit: I'm apparently having issues posting...)

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#40 clyde
July 04 2013, 08:27PM
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http://www.infoplease.com/spot/hockeyfighting1.html Another example. This is coming from the guys out there. They value these type of players a great deal. I am not a fan of staged fights for the sake of fighting alone but Mcgratten does more than that. He brings emotion and will always stick up for his team. John Scott single handedly ended all of Boston's previous nonsense against Buffalo this year. Watch Shawn Thornton go about his job with Boston. I do understand hockey fans who don't like or understand this part of the game though.

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#41 clyde
July 04 2013, 08:39PM
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Parallex wrote:

I note that you refused to make any comment to the fact that goons mostly don't even dress in the playoffs.

Okey then, let's assume for a second that you're right (I don't think you are but we'll ignore that) can you at least demonstrate that having a Goon on the bench produces a positive win differential. Most Goons don't dress every game so surely if the effect they have on the bench is so dramatic you can tabulate some sort of league-wide dressed v. non-dressed win differential?

Shawn Thornton dresses for every Boston game and does not play in the last 10 minutes of close games. His team does well.

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#42 Justin Azevedo
July 04 2013, 08:50PM
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since there seems to be some dissension between the "you never played teh gamez!!!1!1!!" crowd and the blogging crowd, let me break it down:

at every level of hockey in which I played at, there was no one on the team who's purpose was only to goon it up. everyone i ever played with was at least good enough to play at the level they did - otherwise, it would've been snip snip.

maybe it's just me, but I never changed my style of game because of who was on the other team. sure, there might've been some 6'6 hulk on the other team but that didn't stop me from trying to level the other team's best player or what have you.

guys are going to do what they're going to do on the ice, regardless of who's on the other team. it doesn't matter if he's a "deterrent" (he isn't) if he's hurting the team in every other way.

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#43 clyde
July 04 2013, 08:59PM
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Veggie Dog wrote:

Dude, you are being glib. I listed points and ice time of most of your list to demonstrate that they mostly actually play and produce. I didn't say everyone you list is useless, I said they didn't fit the dedicated goon role.

Frankly I would rather have a Carcillo type who is more of an agitator than a flat out goon. Some one to throw the other team off with chippy borderline play rather than a fight every few games.

Dude, you started off by saying that these teams had one tough guy between them. I responded. You took off on another tangent.

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#44 AlbertaPride
July 04 2013, 09:28PM
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Are you guys serious?

Should they scrap the energy guys too?

Just change the history of the game?

Ask the top players who ever played the game what they prefer. You think Gretz could of done what he did without Semenko or McSorley? Hint, thats why McSorley was traded with him.

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#45 Colin.S
July 04 2013, 10:19PM
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@RexLibris

I think a great statistical analysis would be to look at a TEAMs corsi on nights that the "goon" plays(or does something goony) vs when he doesn't. The theory being that with the goon in the lineup that players like Baertschi will be more embolden to make moves and drive the play, which should result in more shots. If that is true, our Corsi should be up on nights that these goons play, on the lines other than the goons anyways, cause he's not there for shooting pucks, only shooting his fists, into people faces.

I think that's an advanced stat start into seeing if they add anything meaningful to the team.

I agree that the "agitator" role is better suited than the old school goon type.

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#46 jeremywilhelm
July 04 2013, 10:44PM
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@AlbertaPride

Bahaha. BS.

unfortunately games in NHL13 don't qualify as real life experience.

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#47 RexLibris
July 04 2013, 11:04PM
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@sincity1976

I should begin by saying that I am not a member of the advanced stats community.

I believe they have value, and I greatly appreciate their gradual inclusion into scouting reports.

However I also believe that one has to see a player, notice the small things that he does to truly gauge his potential/ability/contributions/etc.

Case in point: looking over Emile Poirier's highlight reel was entertaining, but repetitive. Until one point where he came off the half wall, went to the top of the slot and let a shot go. He showed patience with the puck and foresight to know that his initial shooting options were poor and he made an adjustment to improve his position.

Things like that, as well as general attitude, approach and comportment are all intangibles that I greatly value.

An anecdotal example: I was in the draft-Seguin camp all through 2009-2010. He did more with less, and was listed as a center rather than a winger. I believe in depth down the middle and the illusion of buoyed stats dues to linemates.

Then it all changed when Seguin came to Edmonton prior to the draft. The newspaper showed a photo of him that showed off a tattoo he all along the back of his bicep featuring his last name. I have zero issues with tattoos, but this was an 18 year old kid with his own name on his bicep. It suggested something was wrong with his priorities and made me question his underlying character.

Intangibles play a bit part in hockey decisions. But neither they nor stats should be given complete dominance.

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#48 jeremywilhelm
July 04 2013, 11:21PM
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@BurningSensation

I just have an impossible time believing whatever psychological effect having Mcgrattan on the bench does, out weighs the effect of an actual hockey player playing his minutes.

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#49 RexLibris
July 04 2013, 11:26PM
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jeremywilhelm wrote:

Or Gilbert. Either would be great on a 3 year deal.

I wondered about Gilbert for the Flames.

I'd suggest two years in the range of $3 million per.

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