Flames Day One Analysis

Justin Azevedo
July 05 2013 05:34PM

 

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So, with most of the expected signings having been reported and Jay Feaster having talked to the media, day one of free agency in the Saddlesphere seems to be done. There were a couple of new names, a couple of familiar ones and still some UFA targets that haven't signed.

The Old

  • G Karri Ramo: 2 years, $5.5 million. The Flames presumptive starter. If he can provide league average goaltending, this is a very good deal. Even ~.918 goaltending still makes this okay. Ramo has been profiled here.
  • D Chris Butler: 1 year, $1.7 million. A bottom-pairing defenseman likely being given a deal due to loyalty and not much else. He's likely being paid under the assumption he's really 2011-2012 Chris Butler and not 2012-2013 Chris Butler. 
  • RW Brian McGrattan: 2 years, $1.5 million. A fist on skates. See Kent's post for analysis.
  • RW Greg Nemisz: 1 year, $725k. Probably not an NHLer, so this is more of a former 1st round pick/AHL body deal.
  • C Corban Knight: 2 years, $1.8 million. Knight's contract is only $900k in base salary/signing bonuses, but bonuses bring his cap hit to $3.75 million (only counted if he achieves the bonuses). Knight could be the Flames' 3rd line centre, and was profiled in depth here.

The New

  • D Kris Russell: 1 year, $1.25 million. The Flames traded a 5th round pick for his RFA rights as they didn't want to pick up a contract with arbitration linked to it, which they would've had to do had they plucked him from waivers. His underlying numbers are just okay, even as a 5th dman with somewhat sheltered zone starts. Apparently he has some offensive potential (three 20 point seasons), but I highly doubt he'll play well in anything other than bottom-pairing minutes.
  • D Chad Billins: 1 year, $925K. Billins had 10 goals and added 27 assists in 76 games last year in Grand Rapids, for an NHLE of 17. He likely has some upside and will battle for a bottom-pairing spot next year. He'll be 25 when the season starts and was undrafted. He spent 4 years at Ferris State, where he had NHLEs of 14, 9, 14, 23. Strikes me as a Clay Wilson 2.0. 

Yet To Sign

  • C Mikael Backlund
  • C Lance Bouma
  • D Mark Cundari
  • D TJ Brodie

Moneypuck Options

  • C Kyle Wellwood: Has not signed. Probably no longer an option for the Flames due to the amount of bottom-9 forwards they currently possess.
  • C Boyd Gordon: Oilers, 3Yx3M. A liittle more than I would've committed in terms of years but the dollar figure looks about right.
  • C Alexander Burmistrov: Has not signed.
  • C Marcus Johansson: Has not signed.
  • C Jordan Schroeder: Has not signed.
  • RW Clarke MacArthur: Senators, 2Yx3.25M. Good bet for the Sens here, and will be a 2W for them now that Bobby Ryan is in town.
  • LW Viktor Stalberg: Predators, 4Yx3M. I'm honestly shocked he got this much. If he plays 3W minutes, this is an overpayment.
  • LW Nathan Horton: Blue Jackets, 7Yx5.3M. Huge commitment to what was the best winger available in this year's free agent crop. I was thinking 5x5 was going to be the max.
  • RW Pierre-Marc Bouchard: Islanders, 1Yx2M. If he can score 35-40 points this year, it's a bargain. I think he'll probably start on the top line with Tavares and Moulson, so might be the best value signing from this crop. Assuming he can stay healthy.
  • LW Benoit Pouliot: Rangers, 1Yx1.3M. Good signing here by Sather - will fit well on either the 2nd or 3rd line.
  • D Jared Spurgeon: Wild, 3Yx2.6M. Really good value for an offensive top-4 guy. This offersheet would've cost the Flames their 2nd round pick.
  • D David Rundblad: Has not signed.
  • D Mike Lundin: Gone to the KHL.
  • D Alexander Sulzer: Has not signed. Not a lot of room on the Flames due to the amount of bottom-pairing defensemen they currently possess.
  • G Ray Emery: Flyers, 1Yx1.65M. Really great deal by the Flyers here. Should get the majority of starts for the Flyers next year.
  • G Thomas Greiss: Coyotes, 1Yx750K. Jason Labarbera went to the Oilers, so Thomas Greiss has a new home.

Still Available

  • C Derek Roy
  • C Mikhail Grabovski
  • RW Peter Mueller
  • LW Guillaume Latendresse
  • RW Damien Brunner
  • LW Mason Raymond
  • RW Matt Halischuk
  • LW Nathan Gerbe
  • D Jonathon Blum
  • D Ian White
  • D Tom Gilbert

Conclusion

While GM Jay Feaster did well in staying out of the insanity the day had to offer, there are still some gaping holes in the Flames depth chart - 1C and 4D. In my opinion, there's only three players the Flames should be calling from here on out. The Flames are flush on the wings and bottom of the defensive rotation.

During this afternoon's press confrence, Feaster also said they have a second offer out to Backlund and a first offer out to Brodie.

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Justin is a 23-year-old Flames fan who also happens to be pursuing a double major at the University of Calgary. He has played hockey at high levels, enjoys wearing shorts and tends to drink far too much Grasshopper. Please don't hate him.
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#51 Burnward
July 05 2013, 10:18PM
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@Scary Gary

I think I'd overpay a bit for Grabbo on a two year deal if he'd take it. He'll have something to prove next season, then be playing for a new deal the next.

Might be the perfect bridge before Monahan, Backlund, Janko etc. are ready to take the reigns.

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#52 Franko J
July 05 2013, 10:22PM
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I'm not sold on either Roy or Grabrovski as a1C, I think the best fit for a #1 center will come in 2015.

I was hoping for Boyd Gordon to fill out the center position for the Flames.

I'm glad that Feaster didn't go overboard with FA signings. Save the money for a time when this team can use a complimentary piece.

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#53 Burnward
July 05 2013, 10:25PM
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@Franko J

Next year could be very interesting...might be saving our money for then.

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#54 Flamesboi
July 05 2013, 11:04PM
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@If Only HIs Name Was Olli Postandin

Obviously you have no idea what a FULL NO TRADE/ NO MOVEMENT CLAUSE means. It's not about what they should of done, the clause was signed and was in effect on iggy's contract. Once the contract is signed, both parties MUST adhere to all of the elements listed on the paper. They can't just tell iggy to give them a list and be sent wherever accordingly to the list.

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#55 loudogYYC
July 05 2013, 11:14PM
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Burnward wrote:

The player with the NTC/NMC still has the final say. That wasn't on Feaster.

Justin had a great explanation on the 5th for Russell deal, they wanted to make sure they could work out a deal for him and avoid arbitration. Since they couldn't negotiate a deal prior to today, Feaster couldn't be sure he would sign a deal. How would it have looked if we acquired his rights...then he said, "Nope, I'm going to arbitration." Everyone would have been all over Feaster.

The O'Reilly thing was a mess though.

I still don't understand the logic here. If Feaster would've just claimed the player they've had their eye on for FREE, they could've just offered him what they were comfortable with and walk away if he didn't agree or decided to take them to arbitration.

What is it about the possibility of arbitration that makes giving up an asset worthwhile? Please someone tell me.

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#56 Franko J
July 05 2013, 11:15PM
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Burnward wrote:

Next year could be very interesting...might be saving our money for then.

I think next season will be interesting to see what develops during training camp with some of the young players and see if they make the jump to the NHL.

What will be intriguing to me is:

Will the Flames be able to sign both Gaudreau and Arnold?

Can Monahan make the team?

With big shoes to fill, can Kari Rammo prove he is NHL worthy?Or will he be another player who couldn't live up to the hype.

What trades will Feaster have in mind to further the re-build?

Can the Flames trade for more 1st round picks come 2014?

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#57 T&A4Flames
July 05 2013, 11:16PM
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Burnward wrote:

However, add two-three decent pieces and we could challenge for the post-season. Glad we didn't overspend on day one, but intrigued to see if Feaster has anything on the burner.

I'm still hoping for Blum, Gibert and Grabo.

I hope there was something to this Couturier speculation.

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#58 T&A4Flames
July 05 2013, 11:22PM
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Burnward wrote:

I think I'd overpay a bit for Grabbo on a two year deal if he'd take it. He'll have something to prove next season, then be playing for a new deal the next.

Might be the perfect bridge before Monahan, Backlund, Janko etc. are ready to take the reigns.

Yep, I like this.

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#59 clyde
July 05 2013, 11:46PM
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loudogYYC wrote:

I still don't understand the logic here. If Feaster would've just claimed the player they've had their eye on for FREE, they could've just offered him what they were comfortable with and walk away if he didn't agree or decided to take them to arbitration.

What is it about the possibility of arbitration that makes giving up an asset worthwhile? Please someone tell me.

It doesn't make sense. I think Plan A fell through and Russell was next but only after the waiver period was over and he was forced to give up an asset.

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#60 If Only HIs Name Was Olli Postandin
July 06 2013, 12:17AM
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Flamesboi wrote:

Obviously you have no idea what a FULL NO TRADE/ NO MOVEMENT CLAUSE means. It's not about what they should of done, the clause was signed and was in effect on iggy's contract. Once the contract is signed, both parties MUST adhere to all of the elements listed on the paper. They can't just tell iggy to give them a list and be sent wherever accordingly to the list.

Obviously you are oblivious to reality because that is what happens every year in the NHL. A `FULL NO TRADE` clause (is it caps lock day?) is only in effect in so far as the player in question desires it to be in effect. He can waive it any given time. He can also instruct the team to look for suitors, and, if he so chooses, waive the no-trade clause to be moved to any number of teams of his choosing. In the latter case he could empower the GM to do so in writing.

The player in other words can waive or suspend the NMC clause at his choosing and in the manner that best suits his interests. Now why would he give a list of teams beforehand? Well, the GM could simply state that without the leverage to garner a satisfactory return, they will not trade the player. If the player is disgruntled or wants a shot at the Cup that very year, he will usually acquiesce or compromise.

I don`t know why some people keep ranting about the inviolability of NTCs or NMCs. The player has the last right of refusal, but he can waive it to any number of degrees if he so chooses. Hence, every year you hear about players with NTCs providing lists of teams they are willing to move to.

In Iggy`s case, Feast should have sought authority from IGGY to move him to a select number of teams they had mutually agreed upon prior to the trade. This empowerment, moreover, should have been documented by both parties so the player could not disavow that he had given his permission. In other words, he could not claim that he had not waived his NTC to the degree that empowered his GM to trade him to teams decided upon mutually previously.

Instead they kept the proceedings pretty informal, and the rest is history.

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#61 Tenbrucelees
July 06 2013, 02:56AM
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Opening day roster is going to look somewhat different to that just half a year ago

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#62 BJ
July 06 2013, 07:09AM
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Tenbrucelees wrote:

Opening day roster is going to look somewhat different to that just half a year ago

Yes finally.... the past 3-4 seasons tje roster didnt change much and was unsuccessful... flames mgmt kept singing the same old song and dance... refreshing to see an all new younger roster

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#63 BurningSensation
July 06 2013, 08:42AM
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loudogYYC wrote:

I still don't understand the logic here. If Feaster would've just claimed the player they've had their eye on for FREE, they could've just offered him what they were comfortable with and walk away if he didn't agree or decided to take them to arbitration.

What is it about the possibility of arbitration that makes giving up an asset worthwhile? Please someone tell me.

Arbitration rights take control out of the hands of the team and put it into the hands of a 3rd party.

One of the thing that happens in the arbitration is an examination of how the player is used, ice-time, etc.

In the case of a player like Butler who received top 4 D-man time under Sutter, an arbitrator will consider that for his contract $s, even though the following season Butler played bottom six minutes (and badly at that).

When your only option is to 'walk away' from the contract, you look to avoid going to arbitration whenever you can.

In Russell's case, the Flames wanted to pay him like a bottom six defender, even if they give him top 4 pairing minutes.

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#64 Stockley
July 06 2013, 08:43AM
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@BJ

I was terrified they would sign some 30+ year old to a retirement contract. Unless they get desperate and throw a truck full of money at one of the remaining free agents I'm starting to believe that maybe the times are indeed a-changin'. I wouldn't cry if they signed Grabovski and/or Brunner. Their roster is more or less complete at the moment and some bodies would need to be shipped out to make way for new arrivals. Camm? Stempniak?

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#65 chillout
July 06 2013, 08:55AM
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@If Only HIs Name Was Olli Postandin

Seriously man??? I just went over this like 7 times.

The player does not have the right to just shut off his NTC...he does NOT! he can sign off on a single trade that is about to be shipped in to the NHL offices, that is the only way he can waive his no trade clause. That's it, that's all, the only way.

Let's go over this, there are very few loopholes in NHL contracts. A player with a NTC can't waive his NTC, he can only sign off on a single trade. NHL players are not allowed to renegotiate their contracts even if said contract sucks and keeps them buried in the minors. Ask Wade Redden about this.

IF A PLAYER SUCH AS IGGY WERE TO FULLY WAIVE HIS NTC FOR A LIST OF TEAMS THE NHLPA WOULD STOP THE TRADE FROM HAPPENING SINCE IT WOULD BE A BREACH OF CONTRACT. THEY WOULD DO THIS TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF FUTURE PLAYERS. LIKE I SAID BEFORE IGGY COULD HAVE SIGNED A TRADE LIST CONTRACT IN HIS OWN BLOOD AND IT WOULD MEAN NOTHING TO THE LEAGUE AND THE NHLPA IT WOULD STILL BE A WORTHLESS PIECE OF PAPER. JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK A PLAYER SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THIS DOES NOT MEAN IT IS POSSIBLE. THE NHL CONTRACTS OVERRIDE ANY STUFF LIKE THAT.

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#66 chillout
July 06 2013, 09:13AM
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also for the players that provide a list, each and every single one of those players has to sign off on the actual trade. Most of those players don't get multiple teams making offers their GM is satisfied with so they only have one offer to choose from and so sign off on it with no fuss. Iggy had at least 2 obviously so he took the one he wanted, which his ntc allows him to do. it was never the gm's choice nor could it be even with a list written in blood stamped by a notary and witnessed by god.

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#67 Kent Wilson
July 06 2013, 09:27AM
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Haha. It's amazing where some threads veer off to sometimes.

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#68 Primo
July 06 2013, 09:29AM
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The big worry will be next year when it's time to sign Johnny G. My buddies in the Boston area are hearing that the Bruins will sign him away from the Flames.

I have shared this before on FN....Chiarelli cannot be trusted. You can bet he is whispering in Johnny's daddy's ear! Not sure what Feaester can do other than watch his back and be agressive when the time comes.

Remember Tim Erixon.....hmmmm.

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#69 Primo
July 06 2013, 09:35AM
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I'm guessing Flames offered Mason Raymond a 1 year contract considering his serious back injury. This will give them time to assess him further at low risk.

Ball in his court now.

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#70 Baalzamon
July 06 2013, 09:45AM
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Lol Khabbibulin back to Chicago. Interesting goaltending situation over there.

Crawford, Khabbibulin, Raanta.

You have to think Raanta isn't too pleased with this development.

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#71 dotfras
July 06 2013, 09:56AM
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Like the direction this team is headed.

In years past we've always gone after "post apex" players in an attempt to bolster our roster.

We don't have any stars on our team, but we have alot of guys who will have a chance to step up, & room for our younger players to develop.

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#72 BurningSensation
July 06 2013, 10:08AM
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@If Only HIs Name Was Olli Postandin

Chillout has it right. A player cannot 'waive' his rights to determine where he goes by submitting a list before hand. He can give a list of potential places he might accept a trade to, but there is nothing about it that is binding no matter where the list comes from or who signs it.

The one and only thing that is binding is the players signature on the final trade.

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#73 Vowswithin
July 06 2013, 10:14AM
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I'm not sure why feaster didn't just say no penguins arent offering enough. If not no trade and you can rot. He would have accepted me thinks.

It was on his list, and he's going there now anyways...

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#74 Vowswithin
July 06 2013, 10:25AM
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Also hitlers take on the Alfie signing

http://youtu.be/oIdcSDofL1c

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#75 suba steve
July 06 2013, 10:28AM
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The part of this that is hard for me to swallow is:

When Iggy gave permission for Feaster to talk to these teams, he should have strongly stressed his preference for a trade to PIT. Something like, "if Pit makes a decent offer, that is where I want to go". Did he do that? Or, perhaps he had a change of heart late in the process? We don't currently have those details, so it's hard to lay blame with any of the participants at this time.

Everyone has an opinion, but very few know the facts.

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#76 Kurt
July 06 2013, 10:46AM
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suba steve wrote:

The part of this that is hard for me to swallow is:

When Iggy gave permission for Feaster to talk to these teams, he should have strongly stressed his preference for a trade to PIT. Something like, "if Pit makes a decent offer, that is where I want to go". Did he do that? Or, perhaps he had a change of heart late in the process? We don't currently have those details, so it's hard to lay blame with any of the participants at this time.

Everyone has an opinion, but very few know the facts.

No offence to ladies in general not trying to be sexist...

But my personal experience is that when you put a lot of thought and planning into a decision and then suddenly at the last minute things change for no apparent reason its typically because of my wife. No amount of logic and reasoning can explain women. With a lack of evidence either way, I blame his wife. At the 11th hour she probably didn't like the way someone looked at her or his tone of voice.

(ps I'm joking. Except for the part about my wife)

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#77 Dave
July 06 2013, 11:00AM
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Hahahahaha.

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#78 KetchupKid
July 06 2013, 11:24AM
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Primo wrote:

The big worry will be next year when it's time to sign Johnny G. My buddies in the Boston area are hearing that the Bruins will sign him away from the Flames.

I have shared this before on FN....Chiarelli cannot be trusted. You can bet he is whispering in Johnny's daddy's ear! Not sure what Feaester can do other than watch his back and be agressive when the time comes.

Remember Tim Erixon.....hmmmm.

No doubt. Get him to Abbotsford ASAP.

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#79 BurningSensation
July 06 2013, 11:46AM
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suba steve wrote:

The part of this that is hard for me to swallow is:

When Iggy gave permission for Feaster to talk to these teams, he should have strongly stressed his preference for a trade to PIT. Something like, "if Pit makes a decent offer, that is where I want to go". Did he do that? Or, perhaps he had a change of heart late in the process? We don't currently have those details, so it's hard to lay blame with any of the participants at this time.

Everyone has an opinion, but very few know the facts.

I honestly don't think it matters (or even really care) why Iggy rebuffed the deal to Boston - he was within his rights to do so.

Fans that want to blame Iggy or Feaster for how it went down should look at the real culprit - Darryl Sutter. He was the one who handcuffed the team with Iggy's NTC.

Personally, I had no issue with it being offered to him, or how he used it. Feaster was in a near impossible position, he has to move Iggy to fuel the rebuild, and Iggy has full control over where he goes. At the end of it all we got; Klimchuk, Hanowski and Agostino for him. Which by my eye, seems pretty Ok.

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#80 BurningSensation
July 06 2013, 11:54AM
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Primo wrote:

The big worry will be next year when it's time to sign Johnny G. My buddies in the Boston area are hearing that the Bruins will sign him away from the Flames.

I have shared this before on FN....Chiarelli cannot be trusted. You can bet he is whispering in Johnny's daddy's ear! Not sure what Feaester can do other than watch his back and be agressive when the time comes.

Remember Tim Erixon.....hmmmm.

I have to believe that if there really is an 'Erixon issue' with Johnny G, that we'll see it coming from miles away.

That said, I haven't seen anything from Johnny G to suggest that there really is an issue. He seems to have been quite pleased to be part of the Flames plans, and while I am sure that Feaster et al. would prefer he didn't go back for his senior season nobody can blame the kid for doing so (staying in school would be the advice I would give my kid).

In all likelihood the situation is going to be an ongoing coronary for Flames fans till the kid either signs or is dealt elsewhere.

Pass the blood pressure meds, we've got a long ride ahead of us.

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#81 FireOnIce
July 06 2013, 11:55AM
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RE: Iginla. I feel slighted too, but it's time to move on. He went to PIT, DIDN'T WIN A CUP, and now he's in BOS. He got exposed for the post-apex player that he is. And now, he'll play in BOS ON THEIR FIRST LINE! We'll see how well that goes. We all know he's not a 1st line winger anymore. Enjoy the schadenfreude.

Point is - move on. Iginla era is over. He helped out this franchise a lot, in many ways. Respect the man for what he was, not what you think he is now.

On a new topic, looks like Damien Brunner got low-balled by Detroit, so he won't be returning. We could really use his speed, RH shot, PK ability, and his ability to play C and RW. Give him a couple million over 2 or 3 years. COME ON FLYING J!

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#82 FireOnIce
July 06 2013, 11:58AM
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@BurningSensation

I'm not 100% sure that people saw the 'Erixon issue' from miles away. Everything SEEMED fine until a week or so before contracts were due and Erixon's camp rejected max years and max money.

Primo is saying that there's intel on the ground in BOS that merely suggests they might be tampering. He can't be the only one who has that info.

Flames should have opened a tampering case against NYR with Erixon. His dad was a freaking Ranger and lived in New York, and Erixon was telling everyone he wanted to play in New York. How much clearer can the tampering case get?

I would hope to hell that they do so if Gaudreau refuses to sign and ends up in BOS. They could trade him (like Erixon) and then be rewarded the draft pick compensation by the NHL for Boston f*cking with them.

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#83 Captain Ron
July 06 2013, 12:00PM
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Kurt wrote:

No offence to ladies in general not trying to be sexist...

But my personal experience is that when you put a lot of thought and planning into a decision and then suddenly at the last minute things change for no apparent reason its typically because of my wife. No amount of logic and reasoning can explain women. With a lack of evidence either way, I blame his wife. At the 11th hour she probably didn't like the way someone looked at her or his tone of voice.

(ps I'm joking. Except for the part about my wife)

Hahaha! Thanks for the laugh. I think I know her sister!

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#84 Baalzamon
July 06 2013, 12:08PM
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I like Brunner, but you have to wonder how much he was floated by his most common linemate (Henrik Zetterberg). If Brunner had signed with the Flames, and Cervenka with the Red Wings, would we now be having this very same discussion about the Czech?

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#85 BurningSensation
July 06 2013, 12:14PM
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FireOnIce wrote:

I'm not 100% sure that people saw the 'Erixon issue' from miles away. Everything SEEMED fine until a week or so before contracts were due and Erixon's camp rejected max years and max money.

Primo is saying that there's intel on the ground in BOS that merely suggests they might be tampering. He can't be the only one who has that info.

Flames should have opened a tampering case against NYR with Erixon. His dad was a freaking Ranger and lived in New York, and Erixon was telling everyone he wanted to play in New York. How much clearer can the tampering case get?

I would hope to hell that they do so if Gaudreau refuses to sign and ends up in BOS. They could trade him (like Erixon) and then be rewarded the draft pick compensation by the NHL for Boston f*cking with them.

Sorry, I wasn't clear, I wasn't saying Feaster saw the Erixon issue from miles away - I think it is evident nobody did.

I'm saying that if there is an issue with Johnny G we should see it coming from miles off BECAUSE of Erixon.

Having been (almost) burned once, I would think Feaster and Weisbrod are as on top of the situation with Johnny G as can be reasonably expected. At the first hint the kid isn't serious about signing with us I expect he'll be dealt.

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#86 Baalzamon
July 06 2013, 12:17PM
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He might be dealt anyway. There are many teams (*cough* Philly *cough*) that need to cut salary. I could see Cheese being used in such a deal to get something good (*cough* Couturier *cough*)

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#87 Kevin R
July 06 2013, 12:27PM
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Primo wrote:

The big worry will be next year when it's time to sign Johnny G. My buddies in the Boston area are hearing that the Bruins will sign him away from the Flames.

I have shared this before on FN....Chiarelli cannot be trusted. You can bet he is whispering in Johnny's daddy's ear! Not sure what Feaester can do other than watch his back and be agressive when the time comes.

Remember Tim Erixon.....hmmmm.

I'm having this concern as well. Last fall I have a buddy that does a lot of Flame related volunteer work down at the Dome. He had a chance to shoot the breeze a bit with Conroy. Of course the talk was the excitement about Johnny G & how great a future he looks to have. Connie hinted that JG is chomping at the bit to play in the big show & maybe don't be surprised to see him in camp the following year. That was before JG had a phenomenal WJC. Then come this spring, we suddenly hear about JG wanting to play at least 1 more year at BC & Dad wants him to finish his education. I know many here feel that is perfect because he needs to develop physically yet. But I spider senses are tingling now. When I heard Flames were pretty darn close in the Seguin sweeps, & JG was a main piece of that deal, how ironic it was with the B's. I think the reason the deal was crushed was the price was so friggin high, probably JG, our #6 & even Brodie was the asking price. Where there's smoke there's fire. I just have a bad feeling JG's dad is an Mr Lindros sr. (2).

Personally, I really hope we can turn JG into a valuable piece going forward & we can put him in a package to get a player like Couturier or Henrique whose teams are in the JG family home area code. I know I'm getting paranoid about this & I guess JG has what 2 more years of College eligibility left? But if we cant make him sign a ELC by next spring, I do my best Shero imitation & make a proactive trade.

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#88 BurningSensation
July 06 2013, 12:32PM
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He might be dealt anyway. There are many teams (*cough* Philly *cough*) that need to cut salary. I could see Cheese being used in such a deal to get something good (*cough* Couturier *cough*)

More electrons have died in fantasy trade proposals for Couturier than there are sand grains on the beach or stars in the galaxy.

A Couturier deal remains the mythical Holy Grail of trades, until it actually happens I won't believe such a thing is possible.

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July 06 2013, 12:45PM
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RE: Iginla. I feel slighted too, but it's time to move on. He went to PIT, DIDN'T WIN A CUP, and now he's in BOS. He got exposed for the post-apex player that he is. And now, he'll play in BOS ON THEIR FIRST LINE! We'll see how well that goes. We all know he's not a 1st line winger anymore. Enjoy the schadenfreude.

Point is - move on. Iginla era is over. He helped out this franchise a lot, in many ways. Respect the man for what he was, not what you think he is now.

On a new topic, looks like Damien Brunner got low-balled by Detroit, so he won't be returning. We could really use his speed, RH shot, PK ability, and his ability to play C and RW. Give him a couple million over 2 or 3 years. COME ON FLYING J!

Bruner smells like a Ville Leino in the making. I wouldn't touch him personally unless its for good dollars and short term, very short term.

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More electrons have died in fantasy trade proposals for Couturier than there are sand grains on the beach or stars in the galaxy.

A Couturier deal remains the mythical Holy Grail of trades, until it actually happens I won't believe such a thing is possible.

Would you not have said the same thing about Seguin? Ryan (even its been talked about for years)?

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I'm having this concern as well. Last fall I have a buddy that does a lot of Flame related volunteer work down at the Dome. He had a chance to shoot the breeze a bit with Conroy. Of course the talk was the excitement about Johnny G & how great a future he looks to have. Connie hinted that JG is chomping at the bit to play in the big show & maybe don't be surprised to see him in camp the following year. That was before JG had a phenomenal WJC. Then come this spring, we suddenly hear about JG wanting to play at least 1 more year at BC & Dad wants him to finish his education. I know many here feel that is perfect because he needs to develop physically yet. But I spider senses are tingling now. When I heard Flames were pretty darn close in the Seguin sweeps, & JG was a main piece of that deal, how ironic it was with the B's. I think the reason the deal was crushed was the price was so friggin high, probably JG, our #6 & even Brodie was the asking price. Where there's smoke there's fire. I just have a bad feeling JG's dad is an Mr Lindros sr. (2).

Personally, I really hope we can turn JG into a valuable piece going forward & we can put him in a package to get a player like Couturier or Henrique whose teams are in the JG family home area code. I know I'm getting paranoid about this & I guess JG has what 2 more years of College eligibility left? But if we cant make him sign a ELC by next spring, I do my best Shero imitation & make a proactive trade.

At the STH meeting in May, Feaster was asked about Johnny G and he said one of the reasons JG wanted to stay at BC was to play with his younger brother Matthew. BC offered Matthew a scholarship even though he is nowhere near as good as his older brother (USHL stats)). This was done to encourage JG to stay.

Then someone asked Feaster "why doesn't he draft Matthew as well". Feaster replied that because he's not as good and smaller than JG that he could most likely be signed as a free agent.

Of course the Bruins could draft Matthew and whisper into the family's ear that way. I hope that doesn't happen.

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At the STH meeting in May, Feaster was asked about Johnny G and he said one of the reasons JG wanted to stay at BC was to play with his younger brother Matthew. BC offered Matthew a scholarship even though he is nowhere near as good as his older brother (USHL stats)). This was done to encourage JG to stay.

Then someone asked Feaster "why doesn't he draft Matthew as well". Feaster replied that because he's not as good and smaller than JG that he could most likely be signed as a free agent.

Of course the Bruins could draft Matthew and whisper into the family's ear that way. I hope that doesn't happen.

No one would be happier if Flames got JG inked to an ELC. Then he becomes pretty well untouchable in my mind until we see how he does in the big show. I think he's going to be an incredible player despite his size. He handled himself pretty darn good against all the future elite players that were involved in that WJ tourney. I think he established himself to belonging in that ilk of players & that of course attracts the vultures. Add family influence & that can get scary. A kid his age has a chance to sign a contract that has 7 figures attached to it & he opts to want to pave the way for his brother. I'm sorry, he may be a great kid, but that has an element of parental involvement to it.

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Any word if Johnny is coming to the prospect camps this summer?

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I hope JG knows how things worked out for Tim Erixon. The Rangers used him as an asset. Now he is down the depth chart in Columbus, in CGY he would be getting, what, top 3 minutes?

I think there are 3 factors to choose CGY,if the Flames are treating their prospects good he will sign.

1)CGY has lots of good prospects in the area. (Arnold, Janko, Gillies) and his buddy (Angostino) is also in the organization. So there is familiarity.

2) Abbotsford and Calgary are both known to be nice cities

3) Its going to be easier to make the Flames in the next couple of years than most other NHL teams

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I hope JG knows how things worked out for Tim Erixon. The Rangers used him as an asset. Now he is down the depth chart in Columbus, in CGY he would be getting, what, top 3 minutes?

I think there are 3 factors to choose CGY,if the Flames are treating their prospects good he will sign.

1)CGY has lots of good prospects in the area. (Arnold, Janko, Gillies) and his buddy (Angostino) is also in the organization. So there is familiarity.

2) Abbotsford and Calgary are both known to be nice cities

3) Its going to be easier to make the Flames in the next couple of years than most other NHL teams

"I hope JG knows how things worked out for Tim Erixon. The Rangers used him as an asset. Now he is down the depth chart in Columbus, in CGY he would be getting, what, top 3 minutes?

... 3) Its going to be easier to make the Flames in the next couple of years than most other NHL teams"

This. The "win now" mentality that Sutter preached meant giving time to aging veterans as opposed to youngsters. It's why players like Lombardi and Boyd turned into 4th line guys and were eventually shipped out. It's probably what destroyed Curtis McBackup.

Times have changed. "Win now" is dead, and the rebuild has been acknowledged. Ownership/Feaster won't pay for UFAs or give away anything significant in a trade. Anybody could make this team, so why not stick around?

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By what definition was Lombardi a 4th liner?????????????????????????????? When he left, he was centering Jarome and Cammalleri on the most prolific line the Flames have had in the last two decades. That was a 46 point season. When he left, he had a 50 point season with Nashville before losing most of the following year to injury. He was a 3rd liner with Toronto.

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By what definition was Lombardi a 4th liner?????????????????????????????? When he left, he was centering Jarome and Cammalleri on the most prolific line the Flames have had in the last two decades. That was a 46 point season. When he left, he had a 50 point season with Nashville before losing most of the following year to injury. He was a 3rd liner with Toronto.

In the season right before that, Lombardi was playing on the 4th line with Eric Nystrom and Dustin Boyd. He played similar circumstances in his 2 years before that as well.

You're right, he played on the 1st line with Cammy and Iggy. Was he really a 1st line C on any other team though? Besides that 1 season, I don't think he's ever truly been able to be more than 2C or 3C.

Perhaps I'm just not remembering it all. I've blocked out the Mike Keenan years for the most part. All the "Oh, we can only win on the road" or "Oh, we can only win at home" got real old and forced me to drinking.

Either way... Lombardi's a 4th liner to me. 3rd at best.

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#100 suba steve
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yeah, guys, i wouldn't worry too much about johnny not signing here haha http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-e_8efhqXFGo/TwvGaltKrVI/AAAAAAAAAm0/zQpLKZ9dH1o/s1600/-1.jpg

Yeah, I guess his friends made that sign out of the lid from a shoe box and some popsicle sticks. Thank you.

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