FlamesNation 2013 UFA Open Thread

Kent Wilson
July 05 2013 07:14AM

 

- pic via Rob the Hockey Guy

 

For those of you who aren't still embroiled in the McGrattan post below (which I think takes the shortest post/longest comment string award by a mile), share your hopes, fears and thoughts today as the free agent frenzy gets underway.

Although, it may not be that much of a frenzy given the names involved. A few guys are going to get paid - like David Clarkson - but it's pretty thin gruel this year overall. With the addition of TJ Galiardi and David Jones recently, Calgary does't have much need to wade into the fray since there aren't a lot of obvious upgrades out there. Mikhail Grabovski is the obvious exception, of course, but if the club doesn't claim him on waivers I don't see them being able to successfully woo him once he is bought out.

Mason Raymond is a name that has been circulating a bit heading into today. A native Calgarian, Raymond is lightning fast, but has struggled with scoring and consistency, especially since suffering a terrible back injury a few years ago. Like Jones and Galiardi, he'd be an okay middle rotation addition, but isn't the sort of bet with a the potential to pay off big.

That said, the Flames true goal today should be not to make any big mistakes. Calgary has a lot of budget space, but there is absolutely no reason for the club to go whale hunting given its low potential for success next season. Not to mention the fact there isn't a single big name UFA talent who could significantly change the team's fortunes. Any deals the Flames sign today and for the rest of the summer should be relatively cheap and short. Calgary's ample cap space gives them flexibility and power going forward. They don't need to invest too much of it in unnecessary pieces or bad bets.

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#251 de Animoe
July 05 2013, 01:47PM
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Further to my mentioning Mason Raymond's wikipedia page saying that he plays for Calgary. . .

It now says this:

Mason Evan Raymond (born September 17, 1985) is a Canadian professional ice hockey winger currently playing for the Calgary Flames of the National Pikachu League (NHL).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason_Raymond

Pikachu!!!

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#252 McRib
July 05 2013, 01:50PM
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@piscera.infada

Hahaha, The only positive thing about this for the Flames is Ottawa was in very similar situation to us now in 2011, can we rebuild like them and not Edmonton.

We need to land a disgruntal Kyle Turris or two with the promise of more icetime like Ottawa did back then. If we play our cards right we are fairly appealing to young RFAs, good market on youth upswing.

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#253 Captain Ron
July 05 2013, 01:50PM
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McRib wrote:

Oh Seguins partying wasn't just a minor problem either it was a major one. The package I’m told would have been something like a Sean Monahan, Morgan Klimchuk and John Gaudreau... We basically would have traded our first rebuild year away to Boston for a guy with a huge contract and big questions. Best move the Flames have made so far is not making any at all. IMO

http://deadspin.com/report-tyler-seguin-guarded-during-playoffs-to-prevent-677105085

Wow that's an eye opener. Not so sure we would want to overpay for a guy with those issues.

If that was the price I'm sure glad we ran away from that deal.

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#254 Captain Ron
July 05 2013, 02:04PM
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piscera.infada wrote:

I agree. Not a lot to pay for Ottawa - they'll likely be a playoff team next year, and they have tons of young guys.

The Flames on the other hand, have maybe one prospect of note (outside this year's draft), and our first rounder next year will likely be top-5 at least. So it makes no sense for Bobby Ryan.

Perhaps they would have taken Kanzig straight up?

HaHaHa your giving up way too soon on Kanzig!

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#255 Sanintarious
July 05 2013, 02:08PM
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Feaster is set to speak at 3pm MT time. I guess if there is anything to announce, it'll be in the next hour. I imagine we will only hear about the RFA signings for the Flames and how Feaster tried to get some guys but the price just wasn't right.

Wait and see!

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#256 RexLibris
July 05 2013, 02:09PM
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Baalzamon wrote:

Oilers sign Jesse Joensuu.

They had to top up on Finns. League mandate with the Oilers.

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#257 benten
July 05 2013, 02:13PM
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@Sanintarious

where can you watch feasts presser?

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#258 McRib
July 05 2013, 02:15PM
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@Captain Ron

Ya maybe in another lifetime or two he will be worth a Bobby Ryan Straight up!! Hahaha.

The funny thing about the defenceman we got in NJ is if the Flames would have taken Roy in the 3rd and Kanzig in the 5th, that is decent drafting!! I think they panicked with that Kanzig pick they were hoping for a Adam Tambellini or Brett Pesce and they just missed out, two guys I thought the Flames would be all over with that third rounder.

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#259 Sanintarious
July 05 2013, 02:22PM
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@benten

Not to sure. Roger Millions tweeted that's when he is set to speak....

Butler resigned 1 year at 1.7M. will be a ufa next year. I guess someone has to play defense.....not too sure what he did to deserve a raise thou!

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#260 gotommygo
July 05 2013, 02:34PM
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Flames sign Chad Billens too

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#261 gotommygo
July 05 2013, 02:36PM
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Billens is an undrafted defenseman who played for Grand Rapids in the AHL last year. I had to look it up too.

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#262 mk
July 05 2013, 02:42PM
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gotommygo wrote:

Billens is an undrafted defenseman who played for Grand Rapids in the AHL last year. I had to look it up too.

He was an All-star in the AHL - on a two-way contract. At 24 he's most likely a signing for the Heat, but still could develop to make the NHL.

More depth with possibly some upside, but probably just a Heat improvement.

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#263 Michael
July 05 2013, 03:09PM
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Feasters press conference... blah blah, we signed the best d man not in the NHL (Billens), blah blah, wasn't in on much as 10am - 2pm is my morning nap time. We still need to add a top 6 center and forward and a top 4 d man....

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#264 RexLibris
July 05 2013, 03:13PM
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Is Feaster's pc going to be on their website later? I'd like to watch this for myself.

I'm hoping to hear his reasoning for why he traded for Russell rather than taking him off waivers.

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#265 Tony
July 05 2013, 03:26PM
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RexLibris wrote:

Is Feaster's pc going to be on their website later? I'd like to watch this for myself.

I'm hoping to hear his reasoning for why he traded for Russell rather than taking him off waivers.

According to Roger Millions twitter:

Roger Millions ‏@RogMillions Flames did not want to acquire an ARB case..that is why Russell was a sign and trade. STL signed him avoiding ARB..they tradeto CGY

Roger Millions ‏@RogMillions Explains why not picking up Russell on waivers. Did not want arbitration.

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#266 RexLibris
July 05 2013, 03:36PM
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Tony wrote:

According to Roger Millions twitter:

Roger Millions ‏@RogMillions Flames did not want to acquire an ARB case..that is why Russell was a sign and trade. STL signed him avoiding ARB..they tradeto CGY

Roger Millions ‏@RogMillions Explains why not picking up Russell on waivers. Did not want arbitration.

That seems like an odd explanation.

Taking a look at some other deals for this level of player and it is often a 7th round pick.

Was a 5th round pick worth avoiding arbitration on a player who is right now a 3rd pairing (2nd at best) defenseman? What would Russell's cap hit have likely been? If he had gone to arbitration and won a one-year award for 20% more than market value would it have crippled the salary situation? Unlikely.

Worst case scenario, on a one-year deal overpay they could have simply dumped him at the trade deadline for a pick.

It just sounds like a strange prioritization.

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#267 Tony
July 05 2013, 03:42PM
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Steinberg says they are going to replay Feaster's press conference on the Fan immediately after the rodeo around 4pm.

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#268 Captain Ron
July 05 2013, 04:22PM
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Well if your in the rebuild camp you probably liked what Feaster had to say. For me it was music to my ears. Skip the lousy expensive FA signings and let the kids play and see what we have.

If they stay true to this mandate we should have a good chance to draft in the top five next year. Might be tough to watch at times but for the long term this is the only way to go.

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#269 mk
July 05 2013, 07:10PM
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RexLibris wrote:

Is Feaster's pc going to be on their website later? I'd like to watch this for myself.

I'm hoping to hear his reasoning for why he traded for Russell rather than taking him off waivers.

The press conference is on the Flames website now.

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#270 Kurt
July 06 2013, 11:00AM
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McRib wrote:

Hahaha, The only positive thing about this for the Flames is Ottawa was in very similar situation to us now in 2011, can we rebuild like them and not Edmonton.

We need to land a disgruntal Kyle Turris or two with the promise of more icetime like Ottawa did back then. If we play our cards right we are fairly appealing to young RFAs, good market on youth upswing.

If you want to be like Ottawa we also need a time machine so we can go back and draft the best d man in the league a few years ago.

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#271 Jeff In Lethbridge
July 06 2013, 10:35PM
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Iggy to Boston, what a weird world we live in!

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