Through Two Hours...

Justin Azevedo
July 05 2013 12:23PM

 

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Pic Via Scott Haselius

And the Flames haven't made a huge splash yet.

However, there are a couple moves to announce: G Karri Ramo's contract has been finalized and is said to be 2 years with an AAV of $2.75 million. The Flames also traded a 5th round pick for D Kris Russell, who will likely play top-4 minutes for the Flames this year, and then signed him to a 1-year contract worth $1.5 million.

Ramo has been covered extensively here, but the pick for Kris Russell doesn't make much sense when the Flames could've had him yesterday for free. At least the pick is mostly worthless and Russell is on the right side of 30. Ideally, Russell is a 5D, which is likely where he'll play this year. Russell still has some upside to him as well, so good move overall.

C Corbin Knight also signed his deal, which has a base of $810K anually over two years, with bonuses up to $3.75 million.

Update: D Chris Butler has signed (1 year, $1.7 million) and the Flames have also signed 24-year-old D Chad Billins out of the AHL to a contract as well (1 year, $925k). Billins scored 10 goals and added 27 assists in 76 games last year in Grand Rapids, for an NHLE of 16. He likely has some upside and will battle for a bottom-pairing spot next year. He'll be 25 when the season starts and was undrafted.

More to come.

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Justin is a 23-year-old Flames fan who also happens to be pursuing a double major at the University of Calgary. He has played hockey at high levels, enjoys wearing shorts and tends to drink far too much Grasshopper. Please don't hate him.
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#51 Sincity1976
July 05 2013, 02:44PM
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@BurningSensation

I never like ownership intervention. But I was against trading our 1 this or next season. I was also against trading Baertschi or Brodie.

Which likely means I was against trading for Seguin.

So in this case ownership made the right decision. We have to rebuild through the draft. We can't trade potential impact ELC for 5 million dollar contracts.

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#52 McRib
July 05 2013, 02:46PM
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@BurningSensation

Yup that was the package like I said eariler. He has a huge contract six years at 5.750/per is a ton of commitment to a player who already has off ice issues. If he was an RFA in two-three years, I would understand, but glad we didn't take on six years of question marks. Apparently like you said Edwards said no.

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#53 aloudoun
July 05 2013, 02:53PM
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I would have no problem with Feaster signing Brunner.

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#54 piscera.infada
July 05 2013, 02:57PM
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@aloudoun

That's what I'm sayin' man!

Also didn't know he was Swiss. Do it Feaster!

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#55 Rob Ravage
July 05 2013, 02:58PM
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McRib wrote:

No, it was with almost certainty (95%) the 6th pick, everyone in NJ was saying the same thing, even Feaster was saying they might trade that pick (for Seguin is what he was talking about). It was common knowledge. Not sure if it would have also included our 22nd, 28th or another prospect, but the 6th and John Gaudreau was a must for Boston!! They needed to replace Seguin with either a Top Pick or Player, but our 6th made the deal for us.

@ McRib

If that was the case, then I wouldn't have endorsed the deal either. At that time the #6 pick was more valuable than Seguin. For Gaudreau and #22 I would have pulled the trigger, but I would've tried to squeeze Boston's 2nd rounder out as well.

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#56 BurningSensation
July 05 2013, 02:58PM
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aloudoun wrote:

I would have no problem with Feaster signing Brunner.

Ditto. Brunner has quality offensive skills. Was an overseas scoring champion.

Makes me wonder what he would be like with more ice-time and responsibility.

In many ways, he would be the guy we had hoped that Cervenka would turn into.

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#57 McRib
July 05 2013, 02:59PM
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You know what is interesting with all this Tyler Seguin talk.... the Phil Kessel trade doesn't look all that bad anymore.... You gotta ask yourself would Boston have won this year with Kessel instead of Seguin??? Possibly. Dougie Hamilton is the Wildcard, but all Kessel does is score and was impressive for Toronto in playoffs.

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#58 Stockley
July 05 2013, 03:01PM
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Brunner and Grabbo are the only guys left on the market who interest me at all. Given the idiocy we've seen from some teams I for one am glad Feaster stayed away from some of the bigger names. Why was there a lockout again? Obviously these tools will never learn.

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#59 McRib
July 05 2013, 03:02PM
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There are still some young RFAs to be signed by teams at the cap, hold your horses. Nyquist, B. Smith, Pietrangelo, Stewart, Stephan, Gagelin, McDonagh, J. Moore, etc

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#60 BurningSensation
July 05 2013, 03:03PM
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Rob Ravage wrote:

@ McRib

If that was the case, then I wouldn't have endorsed the deal either. At that time the #6 pick was more valuable than Seguin. For Gaudreau and #22 I would have pulled the trigger, but I would've tried to squeeze Boston's 2nd rounder out as well.

Don't take this the wrong way Rob, but the going rate for a top 3 drafted player is three assets; a high (top 10 in this case) 1st rnd pick, a top six forward/top 4 D-man, and an elite prospect.

Boston got Eriksson (top 6 forward), Morrow (elite prospect) and two other very good prospects for Seguin.

Anaheim got Silverberg (top 6 forward), Noessen (elite prospect) and a 1st for Bobby Ryan.

There simply aren't deals for impact forwards unless the return is something similar to the above.

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#61 MC Hockey
July 05 2013, 03:03PM
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aloudoun wrote:

I would have no problem with Feaster signing Brunner.

Agree and others may not like this but I think Derek Roy for under 5 years would be OK at reasonable dollars. Good counting stats and good corsi, etc

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#62 Stockley
July 05 2013, 03:04PM
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@McRib

RFAs will cost us draft picks more often than not. Not to mention bad feelings from rival GMs who get upset when you poach their talent. It's a dangerous path to tread. Not to mention very expensive.

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#63 MC Hockey
July 05 2013, 03:07PM
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McRib wrote:

Like Cundari as well but should never be paired with Russell... A couple power forwards would clear that pairing out. Haha.

Nah Cundari is very solid, a good hitter...he may actually draw penalties and get Flames on the PP

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#64 McRib
July 05 2013, 03:14PM
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Correct, Cundari is very solid for his size, but when he is doing 100% of the work in the corners, because he is looking after Russel it becomes an issue. All I said was I didn't want them paired together with Gio or someone he is fine. He can more than look after himself, but not big enough to play with another small guy, IMO.

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#65 Lordmork
July 05 2013, 03:24PM
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According to Feaster's presser, we've made an offer to Brodie, and exchanged a revised proposal with Backlund.

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#66 SmellOfVictory
July 05 2013, 03:25PM
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Wow, how the hell does Butler get 1.7 million? Did he find a doorstop making that much annually as a comparison?

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#67 FireOnIce
July 05 2013, 03:26PM
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Lordmork wrote:

According to Feaster's presser, we've made an offer to Brodie, and exchanged a revised proposal with Backlund.

The Backlund thing seems weird. Sounds to me like his agent wanted more money and term than the Flames think he's worth right now.

And frankly, while I like Backlund and he is proving to be useful, the fact that he can't stay healthy for a whole season is an issue. A big one for contract negotiations.

Hopefully they don't make him cry...

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#68 RexLibris
July 05 2013, 03:27PM
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jeremywilhelm wrote:

Yep. I like Gordon. But 4 years? That's an ugly term for that money.

Gordon is three years @ $3 million. Ference is four years. That is a bad term, but I suppose they are thinking that it is better at this point to overpay on term rather than risk not doing anything to the defense corps.

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#69 Lordmork
July 05 2013, 03:32PM
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It may be for a relatively small amount of money/time. As a player, you want to get as much as you can, so if your agent thinks you can squeeze another $100 000 out of the org, why not ask? It may not represent a big disagreement.

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#70 aloudoun
July 05 2013, 03:32PM
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I'm not to worried about a Backlund contract. His long term girlfriend is from Calgary and they both want to stay in Calgary.

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#71 SmellOfVictory
July 05 2013, 03:33PM
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RexLibris wrote:

Gordon is three years @ $3 million. Ference is four years. That is a bad term, but I suppose they are thinking that it is better at this point to overpay on term rather than risk not doing anything to the defense corps.

I would personally have endorsed the Oilers taking the Flames' 1.7 million dollar dman off their hands for a pittance.

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#72 MC Hockey
July 05 2013, 03:35PM
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McRib wrote:

Correct, Cundari is very solid for his size, but when he is doing 100% of the work in the corners, because he is looking after Russel it becomes an issue. All I said was I didn't want them paired together with Gio or someone he is fine. He can more than look after himself, but not big enough to play with another small guy, IMO.

Yah that makes sense. Agreed! How about this defense lineup:

Gio-Brodie

Wideman-Russell

O'Brien-Cundari

Extras: Butler, Smith, Carson(?)

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#73 jeremywilhelm
July 05 2013, 03:36PM
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But has Dustin Boyd signed yet??

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#74 FireOnIce
July 05 2013, 03:43PM
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As Flames fans, we can collectively take solace in the fact that we're not Jets fans. They haven't done a damn thing except lose players.

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#75 RexLibris
July 05 2013, 03:47PM
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As Flames fans, we can collectively take solace in the fact that we're not Jets fans. They haven't done a damn thing except lose players.

You could have ended that statement after the first sentence.

Listened to Scott Taylor earlier this morning on Lowetide's show and he was laughing at the Jets' situation even before free-agency had really got rolling.

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#76 MC Hockey
July 05 2013, 03:49PM
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A wild projection for Forward lineup assuming Camalleri traded for a 2nd in 2014 and 3rd in 2015 to a contender:

Left Wing - Forward - Right Wing

1st: Hudler - Derek Roy (UFA signing) - Stemp (with Cammi traded)

2nd: Baertshi - Backlund - D. Jones

3rd: Galiardi - Horak - Stajan (moves to right)

4th: Horak - Knight - Jackman

Extra: McGrattan, BJones (?)

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#77 RexLibris
July 05 2013, 03:51PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

THIS.

I believe that Russell was 'Plan B' in the event they missed on Ference - who got one of the stupidest contracts the Oilers have ever handed out.

Come on now.

The Oilers have handed out far worse contracts than the one to Ference. The Souray one comes to mind. Khabibulin. Horcoff's NTC/NMC.

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#78 McRib
July 05 2013, 04:07PM
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@MC Hockey

It’s funny our Top. 6, outside of a premier first pairing defenceman is very respectable, also picking up Shane O'Brein makes sense considering he is a good fit with either Cundari or Russell. Obviously they were targeting Russell as a possiblity for awhile and seem to have picked up O'Brein accordingly. Can we score goals or stop them is the major question now, at least we have four goalies to try out. Derek Roy would be alright although rumor is he's headed to Anaheim, I wiould prefer a Brunner or Nyquvist from Detroit.

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#79 FireOnIce
July 05 2013, 04:15PM
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MC Hockey wrote:

A wild projection for Forward lineup assuming Camalleri traded for a 2nd in 2014 and 3rd in 2015 to a contender:

Left Wing - Forward - Right Wing

1st: Hudler - Derek Roy (UFA signing) - Stemp (with Cammi traded)

2nd: Baertshi - Backlund - D. Jones

3rd: Galiardi - Horak - Stajan (moves to right)

4th: Horak - Knight - Jackman

Extra: McGrattan, BJones (?)

You're pulling a PHWA on us here with Horak at C on the 3rd line and Horak at LW on the 4th line.

Blair Jones probably won't be back. Hartley doesn't like him apparently.

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#80 Captain Ron
July 05 2013, 04:28PM
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I posted this on the last thread. Didn't realize there was a new one up and running:

Well if your in the rebuild camp you probably liked what Feaster had to say. For me it was music to my ears. Skip the lousy expensive FA signings and let the kids play and see what we have.

If they stay true to this mandate we should have a good chance to draft in the top five next year. Might be tough to watch at times but for the long term this is the way to go.

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#81 Q
July 05 2013, 04:30PM
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Wow! SENS made a sweet move for Ryan! They just might be my team during this sucky re-build phase! Flames are gonna be top three pick for sure! It hurts already! Gonna be a Long season! No one dares to go near cammi and the 7 mill contract (6 cap hit). He ain't goin anywhere til April. What was all of the BS talk of Jay being so busy talking to GM's. painfully long days ahead! With realignment we're gonna get worked in our division! Also very impressed with Detroit! Glad they're in the east now!

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#82 RKD
July 05 2013, 04:32PM
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The best thing for Feaster is to stand pat, really we are not a team that's going to make the playoffs let alone be a contender. We have a few years of growing pains to go through. The Flames got themselves in a mess with underachieving overpaid veterans. Then we recycled players to play with Iggy. Doing things the right way means improve your scouting, improve your drafting, etc. There's no need for us to make a splash. If there are some players which can make your team better in the long run and you can make it fit then make it happen. If they tried to sign big names and overpaid them, then it would indicate the organization is no further along then they were years ago.

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#83 Baalzamon
July 05 2013, 05:19PM
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MC Hockey wrote:

A wild projection for Forward lineup assuming Camalleri traded for a 2nd in 2014 and 3rd in 2015 to a contender:

Left Wing - Forward - Right Wing

1st: Hudler - Derek Roy (UFA signing) - Stemp (with Cammi traded)

2nd: Baertshi - Backlund - D. Jones

3rd: Galiardi - Horak - Stajan (moves to right)

4th: Horak - Knight - Jackman

Extra: McGrattan, BJones (?)

Great! I just have one question...

...

Where's Glencross?

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#84 Franko J
July 05 2013, 05:21PM
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RKD wrote:

The best thing for Feaster is to stand pat, really we are not a team that's going to make the playoffs let alone be a contender. We have a few years of growing pains to go through. The Flames got themselves in a mess with underachieving overpaid veterans. Then we recycled players to play with Iggy. Doing things the right way means improve your scouting, improve your drafting, etc. There's no need for us to make a splash. If there are some players which can make your team better in the long run and you can make it fit then make it happen. If they tried to sign big names and overpaid them, then it would indicate the organization is no further along then they were years ago.

Well said.

Going after FA this year is not conducive to a re-build. I would rather see the Flames develop a younger lineup into a playoff contender than a team of overpaid underachieving veterans. With the emphasis on youth I believe the Flames are heading in the right direction. Besides this only the beginning of FA period, sometimes bargains can be had for players after day one and when later in the summer when some teams will have to walk away from arbritration.

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#85 Baalzamon
July 05 2013, 05:30PM
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FireOnIce wrote:

As Flames fans, we can collectively take solace in the fact that we're not Jets fans. They haven't done a damn thing except lose players.

That's not true! They got Devin Setoguchi!

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#86 Captain Ron
July 05 2013, 05:34PM
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RexLibris wrote:

Gordon is three years @ $3 million. Ference is four years. That is a bad term, but I suppose they are thinking that it is better at this point to overpay on term rather than risk not doing anything to the defense corps.

Not impressed with the Ference signing by Mr Bold Moves. You would think a good GM could have got him for less money as in 2 mill per season or even less for a guy who is happy to go back home. Especially considering the NTC that I believe he got. I don't think he ever made 3 mill per season in Boston. The overpay was more than just term if you ask me. Maybe the Ference camp took advantage of a desperate rookie GM. Nice try at justifying the deal from Mr Bold Moves point of view though.

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#87 schevvy
July 05 2013, 05:35PM
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Iggy to Boston. Hahahaha that is actually very funny

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#88 Jeff Lebowski
July 05 2013, 05:38PM
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Iggy to Boston. Hahahaha that is actually very funny

I called it in Kent's where will Iggy Land article:

#4 Jeff Lebowski July 03 2013, 12:31PM +1 0 props I could see Boston as Horton is out. It would be similar to Hossa switching between Wings and Pens (team that beat him out year prior).

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#89 RKD
July 05 2013, 05:45PM
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Iggy is a Bruin, anyone know the term and dollars? Nevermind, just heard it is a one year deal for $6M.

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#91 schevvy
July 05 2013, 05:49PM
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Iggy signs in Boston for 1 year / 6M . Even I as head of the Iggy fan club thinks that's quite high. But I could see him having a mini-resurgence next year

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#92 They're $hittie
July 05 2013, 06:23PM
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