Training Camp Rosters - Comparing 2010 With 2013

Ryan Pike
August 22 2013 11:21AM

 

 

Awhile back, I took at look at the Calgary Flames' prospect depth by comparing the roster at 2010's prospect camp to this year's probable roster. Now let's do the same thing with the main training camp rosters.

First and foremost, bear in mind that the training camp rosters are ultimately a combination of (a) guys under pro contracts, (b) guys on professional try-out deals, and (c) really great junior kids from prospect camp who get a taste at main camp. Since we don't know who's getting a try-out from the Flames – and recent history suggests that we'll likely see a couple – this may slightly under-represent the 2013 group.

FORWARDS

2010: John Armstrong, Mikael Backlund, Carter Bancks, Lance Bouma, Rene Bourque, Bryan Cameron, Hugo Carpentier, Kris Chucko, Craig Conroy, Cam Cunning, Curtis Glencross, Ryley Grantham, Niklas Hagman, Ryan Howse, Jarome Iginla, Raitis Ivanans, Tim Jackman, Olli Jokinen, Ales Kotalik, Daymond Langkow, Logan MacMillan, Stefan Meyer, David Moss, Greg Nemisz, Gaelan Patterson, Jon Rheault, Matt Stajan, Ryan Stone, Brett Sutter, Alex Tanguay, Mitch Wahl and J.D. Watt.

2013: Mikael Backlund, Sven Baertschi, Carter Bancks, Lance Bouma, Paul Byron, Mike Cammalleri, David Eddy, Turner Elson, Michael Ferland, T.J. Galiardi, Curtis Glencross, Markus Granlund, Ben Hanowski, Roman Horak, Ryan Howse, Jiri Hudler, Tim Jackman, Blair Jones, David Jones, Corban Knight, Brian McGrattan, Sean Monahan, Greg Nemisz, Max Reinhart, Matt Stajan, Lee Stempniak and Ben Street.

Carry-Overs: Backlund, Bancks, Bouma, Glencross, Howse, Jackman and Nemisz.

There's obviously been a bit of turn-over in the forward ranks. The most prominent guys who have been retained are Backlund, Glencross and Jackman, each of whom brings something different to the table. Arguably Jackman is the most surprising hold over, but it seems that management (and teammates) value what he does.

The roll-over in prospects and complementary players continues to be felt here, as bodies such as Armstrong, Grantham, Ivanans, Patterson, Cunning, Chucko and Sutter are gone, replaced with younger players with less physicality but more offensive upside. There's also veteran bodies like Bourque, Iginla, Jokinen, Langkow, Moss and Tanguay – fairly useful players – who have been flipped for (or replaced by) guys like Cammalleri, Galiardi, Hudler and Stempniak. It does appear that there are fewer of them on the roster, which would be explained by the whole “rebuild” thing.

It'd be remiss if I labelled the changes from 2010 to 2013 as a clear upgrade. The forward ranks are a bit smaller and faster than they were three years ago, but thus far they haven't proven that they're appreciably better. However, the presence of more prospects and a generally younger bent in the group suggest that more future upside exists in the 2013 group that wasn't quite there in 2010.

DEFENSEMEN

2010: Gord Baldwin, Jay Bouwmeester, Chris Breen, T.J. Brodie, Mark Giordano, Staffan Kronwall, Josh Meyers, John Negrin, Giffen Nyren, Adam Pardy, Matt Pelech, Robyn Regehr, Cory Sarich, Keith Seabrook, Steve Staios and Ian White.

2013: Chad Billins, Chris Breen, T.J. Brodie, Chris Butler, Mark Cundari, Mark Giordano, Drew MacKenzie, James Martin, Shane O'Brien, John Ramage, Kris Russell, Patrick Sieloff, Derek Smith, Dennis Wideman and Tyler Wotherspoon.

Carry-Overs: Breen, Brodie and Giordano.

The defensive group displays much of the same trends as the forwards. Lots of turnover, with names like Baldwin, Meyers, Negrin and Pelech replaced with names like Billins, Martin and Smith. There are still quite a few replacement-level defenders here, but I'd argue they're more competent than the 2010 class.

As for NHL regulars, Bouwmeester, Pardy, Regehr, Sarich, Staois and White are replaced by (essentially) Brodie, Butler, O'Brien, Russell and Wideman. The loss of Bouwmeester is huge, and the 2013 crew is definitely softer than the 2010 bunch, having lost Regehr, Sarich, Staois and White. The 2013 corps are arguably better puck-movers, but again, it's hard to conclude that the 2013 roster is an upgrade.

GOALIES

2010: Henrik Karlsson, Miikka Kiprusoff, Leland Irving, Matt Keetley and J.P. Lamoureux.

2013: Reto Berra, Laurent Brossoit, Joey MacDonald, Joni Ortio and Karri Ramo.

Carry-Overs: None (assuming Kipper retires)

The Flames had one known quantity in 2010 (Kiprusoff) and four question marks. Now they have one known quantity in MacDonald and four question marks. I don't think it's disrespectful to MacDonald to say that he's a bit of a downgrade from Kiprusoff.

Whether or not the 2013 goalie crop is an upgrade is entirely dependent on how well Berra, Brossoit, Ortio and particularly Ramo do this season.

CONCLUSION

The 2013 Calgary Flames training camp roster probably won't be hugely different than the 2010 roster. The team will probably have a very similar talent level, but the composition is entirely different. Large, physical players of the Darryl Sutter regime have been swapped out for smaller, faster, puck-moving players. And, of course, previous cornerstone veterans have almost all been liquidated.

It's yet to be seen if this change in approach will result in meaingful a change in results.

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Now in his fourth season covering the Calgary Flames and the NHL, Ryan Pike is a Calgary native and FlamesNation's managing editor. He's trying to keep his head up, his stick on the ice and is giving it 110% every shift. You can also find his work at The Hockey Writers and the Wrestling Observer.
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#1 Kent Wilson
August 22 2013, 11:29AM
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Hahahah. Not one goalie from 2010 is around in 2013. That's kind of impressive.

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#2 FireOnIce
August 22 2013, 11:34AM
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Looks like Grabo to the Caps according to Twitter, so he won't be at CGY's training camp.

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#3 Demetric
August 22 2013, 11:55AM
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I for one am excited to see all the new guys, not just the young guys like Sven and Brodie taking their next steps but Jones, SOB and Galiardi. The rookies too in Monahan and Knight.

Go Flames

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#4 McRib
August 22 2013, 12:59PM
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Washington looks to have signed Grabowski inking him for at least 1 Year @ $3 Million Per Season. Which means they are only going to have $2,665,605 to sign RFA Marcus Johansson.

It's interesting some of these young RFA holdouts are not going to be signed for what they want. Now that teams are so close to the cap look for some trades to be made shortly involving some of these RFAs. The Leafs have $4.9 Million Open to sign both Kadri & Franson not going to happen.

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#5 bill
August 22 2013, 05:45PM
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Remember when 960 was obsessed with : John Negrin,Ryan Howse ,Mitch Wahl, and Jon Rheault?

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#6 Jeff In Lethbridge
August 22 2013, 06:20PM
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bill wrote:

Remember when 960 was obsessed with : John Negrin,Ryan Howse ,Mitch Wahl, and Jon Rheault?

could it be cause that's all that was around?

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#7 SmellOfVictory
August 22 2013, 11:15PM
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bill wrote:

Remember when 960 was obsessed with : John Negrin,Ryan Howse ,Mitch Wahl, and Jon Rheault?

In fairness to Negrin and Wahl, they both looked like they would end up in the NHL until severe injuries derailed their development.

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#8 schevvy
August 22 2013, 12:18PM
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You missed the Staj in your forward carry-overs

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#9 Kent Wilson
August 22 2013, 01:00PM
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@McRib

There's a lot of them still out there too...Stepan, Kadri, Franson, Johansson, Henrique, Bancks.......

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#10 Jeff In Lethbridge
August 22 2013, 01:16PM
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@Kent Wilson

quit teasing!

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#11 Baalzamon
August 22 2013, 01:17PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

There's a lot of them still out there too...Stepan, Kadri, Franson, Johansson, Henrique, Bancks.......

Obviously the solution is to trade Bancks for Stepan. That seems reasonable.

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#12 Kent Wilson
August 22 2013, 01:46PM
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@Baalzamon

Then we are all in agreement. Bancks for Stepan. Or Kadri.

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#13 Craig
August 22 2013, 02:12PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Then we are all in agreement. Bancks for Stepan. Or Kadri.

Huzzah the Flames are saved!

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#14 ChinookArch
August 22 2013, 04:36PM
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@Ryan Pike

"The 2013 Calgary Flames training camp roster probably won't be hugely different than the 2010 roster. The team will probably have a very similar talent level, but the composition is entirely different. "

Composition being completely different - for sure. Similar talent level - no way. If the 2013 players reach their ceilings, then over time okay maybe, but this coming season the same talent level: not even close.

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#15 Baalzamon
August 22 2013, 11:21PM
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SmellOfVictory wrote:

In fairness to Negrin and Wahl, they both looked like they would end up in the NHL until severe injuries derailed their development.

I remember being a big fan of John Negrin. Sigh. Simpler times.

Brett Kulak actually reminds me of Negrin sometimes. Maybe that's why I like him so much.

Hope his career goes better...

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#16 jeremywilhelm
August 23 2013, 01:33PM
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Negrin was a huge fave of mine. But his knee is/was done. Poor kid.

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