FN Weekend Open Thread - Who leads the Flames in scoring next year?

Kent Wilson
August 03 2013 09:39AM

 

 

This was never much of a question when Jarome Iginla was around. With him gone and the team rebuilding, however, it might be the hardest prediction to make about the Flames this year. Aside from "will the Flames goaltending be any good?" of course.

Here are the candidates

- Mike Cammlalleri - no one on the roster has more career points than Cammy and he is the only guy to score more than 60 points in a season. He has also been trending downwards the last few years and is being actively shopped by the club as we speak. There's next to no chance he's still with the Flames after the trade deadline.

- Curtis Glencross - His career high is 48 points (albeit in 67 games) but Glencross is a good bet to soak up a lot of primary minutes this season on the PP and at even strength. He has spent a lot of time playing supporting roles during his NHL career, but this year he's lock to play a ton. Probably the odds-on favorite to lead the way with 50-60 points.

- Jiri Hudler - He was on pace for a 52 point season last year, though that had a lot to do with a red hot start that eventually fizzled. Hudler has scored over 50 before with Red Wings and can dazzle with his hands and vision. He can also disappear for long stretches and didn't look particularly jazzed to be in Calgary when management pulled the plug and began the rebuild last season. 

- Mikael Backlund - Likely 40-45 point guy over a full season, Backlund will nevertheless get a lot of ice time given the Flames center situation and may actually spend more than two minutes on the powerplay per game for the first time in his career. If he can stay healthy for a change, he has an outside shot.

- Lee Stempniak - One of the Flames most consistent performers in 2012-13, Stempniak was second behind Backlund in terms of possession and tied for first on the team in points with 32 in 47 games (a 56 point pace). Stempniak is also in a contract season and will be highly motivated to put together a strong year. Behind Glencross, he's probably the best bet to lead the charge, assuming he's with the team after the deadline that is.

- Sven Baertschi - The Flames rookie has all the tools to be a 60+ point getter in the league, but it's impossible to know if he'll take that kind of step this year, particularly given the lackluster supoorting cast. We also don't know where Sven will land in the rotation - top 6? Bottom 6? Second PP? His role and his degree of development will determine his output.

Dennis Wideman - Yes, this could actually happen. Wideman will probably lead the blueline in ice time and he'll get a ton of PP time as well. If one or two guys get injured up front and/or if a few of the vets get traded, this could be the type of season where a 47-point effort by a blueliner leads the club in scoring.

- Matt Stajan - This could actually happen as well, and frankly it would be a great thing for the team. If Stajan sticks in the top-6 and returns to 50-60 point form, Calgary will be able to flip him for a nice return at the deadline, which was an unthinkable scenario at this time last year.

David Jones - a bit of a long shot, Jones career best season of 27-goals and 45-points is within range of what it will take to be in the running, though he'll have to usurp at least one of Hudler, Stempniak, Cammalleri and Glencross to get enough ice time to be in the mix. That said, Jones probably won't be moved at trade deadline, so might win the race almost by default if Feaster clears the deck again.

So who will it be? Leave your pick and your point total estimate in the comments.

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#1 backburner
August 03 2013, 09:54AM
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If he can stay healthy... I`ll go with Backlund. He`s definitely stronger and more confident, and I think he`ll be the go to guy.

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#2 Mark
August 03 2013, 09:58AM
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Cammy or Stemp both in contract years... Ill go Cammel cause he's more talented and seems to be a better leader for the young guns

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#3 thymebalm
August 03 2013, 09:58AM
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Who I want to lead the scoring race: Baertschi

Who I believe will win the scoring race: Stempniak

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#4 schevvy
August 03 2013, 10:49AM
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It'll be Glencross, mainly because he'll be one of the only vets here the whole season. If Backlund or SVEN lead the team in scoring though I would say that would be a better outlook for the future of the team.

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#5 Jeff Lebowski
August 03 2013, 10:53AM
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I'll go with Glencross. He has to stay healthy but I'm sure he will get to play in all situations. He's probably not going to get traded as well.

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#6 Demetric
August 03 2013, 11:01AM
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Jones followed by Sven

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#7 BurningSensation
August 03 2013, 11:16AM
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Cammalleri. The Flames will do a classic 'pump and dump' where he gets all the cherry PP time he can handle, decent linemates, and extra shifts to bolster his offensive totals. He'll be well clear of the pack by trade deadline and his total will lead the team even if he misses the last 20+ games.

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#8 Franko J
August 03 2013, 11:23AM
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My pick would be TJ Brodie. I think if he stays healthy he will be given every opportunity to increase his point production.

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#9 Tenbrucelees
August 03 2013, 11:43AM
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Mike C

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#10 Maimster
August 03 2013, 11:55AM
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Sven. 58 points.

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#11 febreze
August 03 2013, 12:44PM
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This article is not fair. I love everything that is being doing (done)on FN but as explained in the article but Cammalleri here (Calgary) or not is a deliverer of goods...sorry I drink. It really depends on when he gets traded. (Real Ale my fault)

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#12 SmellOfVictory
August 03 2013, 12:52PM
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I love Backlund, but you know he's going to get hard matchups; same with Glencross and Stempniak. I think it's between Hudler and Baertschi. It wouldn't entirely surprise me if Wideman ended up being the leading scorer though (and it'd be kind funny).

David Jones sucks and I hate him, and Stajan is just okay.

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#13 febreze
August 03 2013, 12:57PM
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Formal apology for previous post (had a few) but I love my Flames (Ontario boy) love the potential representation from our province. I drink in England. We have have medium skilled players who care as per usual...who cares wins?

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#14 Trefilov4vezina
August 03 2013, 01:38PM
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Matty.Franchise.

But probably Glencross

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#15 bezer
August 03 2013, 01:45PM
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I think Sven just due to the fact that my first choice Cammy will be traded.

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#16 RexLibris
August 03 2013, 02:18PM
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The real question is who is going to be sheltered enough to capitalize both home and away.

It is also highly dependent on who is getting first and second unit power play time.

Out of those candidates I'd suggest that either Stempniak or Wideman lead the team.

Next question is what totals will the team lead have? North or south of 55 for a forward?

With the subtraction of Tanguay as a playmaker, and no discernible immediate replacement at hand, it isn't outside the realm of possibility that the Flames points leader struggles to break 50.

Alright, now let's see how well that new Trash It! button works...

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#17 clyde
August 03 2013, 02:20PM
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Monohan. I wish. I sure hope it is a younger up and comer like Backlund or Sven. I will go with Sven.

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#18 clyde
August 03 2013, 02:22PM
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RexLibris wrote:

The real question is who is going to be sheltered enough to capitalize both home and away.

It is also highly dependent on who is getting first and second unit power play time.

Out of those candidates I'd suggest that either Stempniak or Wideman lead the team.

Next question is what totals will the team lead have? North or south of 55 for a forward?

With the subtraction of Tanguay as a playmaker, and no discernible immediate replacement at hand, it isn't outside the realm of possibility that the Flames points leader struggles to break 50.

Alright, now let's see how well that new Trash It! button works...

I went with Sven and say he hits 62 points which will be about even with the Oiler points leader, Jordan Eberle.

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#19 coachedpotatoe
August 03 2013, 02:53PM
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I think it will have to be Glencross, he plays hard at even strength, he will earn PP time and he is a threat on the PK; plus I think he will play with Sven and Backlund. Cammi ahd Stemp will not finish the season here. 60 pts the B&B gang will each get about 40 playing with him.

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#20 Parallex
August 03 2013, 03:14PM
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I expect Cammy, Stempniak, and Stajan to not be here when the dust settles post-trade deadline so One would look to the folk playing (likely) a full season. I'd put my money down on Glencross.

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#21 beloch
August 03 2013, 03:29PM
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Brian McGrattan.

Oh wait... We're talking about putting-the-puck-in-the-net scoring aren't we... Nevermind.

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#22 John Deere Green
August 03 2013, 06:22PM
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Off topic here I know but just a question for fellow sports radio listeners in Alberta. Hearing rumours of Andrew Walker leaving Fan 960 for 590 in Toronto, is there any chance of TSN radio coming to Calgary? Seems like Sportsnet in Calgary is just a stepping stone for on air "talent". I love listening to 960 but I'm having a tough time with listening with some of the on-air guys now, and am switching to whatever doesn't grate on my nerves. Sorry for hijacking the thread here but was hoping to gauge peoples thoughts and wondering the possibilities of some competition coming to town for 960.

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#23 Bean-counting cowboy
August 03 2013, 06:59PM
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Hudler. Not traded. Sheltered. PP

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#24 SmellOfVictory
August 03 2013, 06:59PM
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RexLibris wrote:

The real question is who is going to be sheltered enough to capitalize both home and away.

It is also highly dependent on who is getting first and second unit power play time.

Out of those candidates I'd suggest that either Stempniak or Wideman lead the team.

Next question is what totals will the team lead have? North or south of 55 for a forward?

With the subtraction of Tanguay as a playmaker, and no discernible immediate replacement at hand, it isn't outside the realm of possibility that the Flames points leader struggles to break 50.

Alright, now let's see how well that new Trash It! button works...

LOL Rex I always love your commentary, and that concluding sentence is delightful. Someone on the team is going to break 50 by a decent amount, short of injuries. They've got players who have done it in the past given minutes to do it. I think it would take some monumental poor luck for the leading scorer to struggle to break 50.

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#25 SmellOfVictory
August 03 2013, 07:00PM
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John Deere Green wrote:

Off topic here I know but just a question for fellow sports radio listeners in Alberta. Hearing rumours of Andrew Walker leaving Fan 960 for 590 in Toronto, is there any chance of TSN radio coming to Calgary? Seems like Sportsnet in Calgary is just a stepping stone for on air "talent". I love listening to 960 but I'm having a tough time with listening with some of the on-air guys now, and am switching to whatever doesn't grate on my nerves. Sorry for hijacking the thread here but was hoping to gauge peoples thoughts and wondering the possibilities of some competition coming to town for 960.

Everybody on 960 aside from Steiny and the pbp guy (god, I can't even remember his name right now) sucks major nut. That's nothing new.

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#26 Kurt
August 03 2013, 07:31PM
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Cammalleri. The Flames will do a classic 'pump and dump' where he gets all the cherry PP time he can handle, decent linemates, and extra shifts to bolster his offensive totals. He'll be well clear of the pack by trade deadline and his total will lead the team even if he misses the last 20+ games.

'Decent linemates'?? I'm struggling to see who these decent line mates are..?

I pick Stempniak, 48pts. Which is hilarious.. Can you imagine a few years ago predicting Stempniak would lead the team. Yikes!

There's is no chance Sven gets 60pts. I hope so but man even with my fan blinders I can't be that delusional. We have nowhere to hide players and give soft minutes. Which is good. But 60 pts is pretty much a lock for Calder. Pat Kane got 70, I don't think any rookie has got 60+ since (Hopkins was well on pace but got hurt). People need to temper expectations for Sven IMO.

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#27 Austin
August 03 2013, 07:44PM
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On another note recent hockey buzz.com had reported Flames in on Grabovski along with Washington. Don't know the credibility of that site but I'm glad the Flames are at least talking to him. If we get Grabovski that probably means no Monahan for the whole season except his first nine games.

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#28 Seth
August 03 2013, 08:14PM
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Can someone help me out, when does the flames prospect camp open up? And is it open to the public? Thanks

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#29 Colin
August 03 2013, 08:37PM
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@John Deere Green

Walker leaving, I might actually tune into the Fan again, after Richards left and Walker took over that morning show has been terrible. Afternoons have still be good though and worth tuning into.

Also any Radio station in Calgary from TSN would be useless, it would for the most part be repackaging of Toronto crap or Montreal, they have no rights to anything other than the Stamps and thats only 18 weeks(1 game a week) out of the year, no baseball, no local hockey.

And in reply to Rex, if Cammy and such are locks to be traded, no one on this team breaks 50. My goodness, gonna be as bad as the 10/11 Oilers at this point or worse.

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#30 ChinookArch
August 03 2013, 08:41PM
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The truth is I have no idea how the line combonations are going to shake out. I expect Cammaleri to get cushy circumstances and first team PP time. At the same time he is a very good finisher that needs someone else to carry the mail. In the year Iginla lost the Flames scoring title to him, it was Iginla serving him passes in the slot. If either Stajan or Backlund can consistently provide the mail delivery to Cammaleri, I'd say he won't need more than the trade deadline date to score the most goals this year. Again, with no real idea how the lines will be constructed and who will take on the hard minutes, it's a real crap shoot.

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#31 Baalzamon
August 03 2013, 08:57PM
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Seth wrote:

Can someone help me out, when does the flames prospect camp open up? And is it open to the public? Thanks

If you're referring to dev camp, that's been over for about three weeks. If you're referring to the penticton Young Stars tournament, it's in September.

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#32 Jeff In Lethbridge
August 03 2013, 10:11PM
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Colin wrote:

Walker leaving, I might actually tune into the Fan again, after Richards left and Walker took over that morning show has been terrible. Afternoons have still be good though and worth tuning into.

Also any Radio station in Calgary from TSN would be useless, it would for the most part be repackaging of Toronto crap or Montreal, they have no rights to anything other than the Stamps and thats only 18 weeks(1 game a week) out of the year, no baseball, no local hockey.

And in reply to Rex, if Cammy and such are locks to be traded, no one on this team breaks 50. My goodness, gonna be as bad as the 10/11 Oilers at this point or worse.

mike richards had some funny moments but his gig wears thin quick

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#33 Jeff In Lethbridge
August 03 2013, 10:14PM
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Austin wrote:

On another note recent hockey buzz.com had reported Flames in on Grabovski along with Washington. Don't know the credibility of that site but I'm glad the Flames are at least talking to him. If we get Grabovski that probably means no Monahan for the whole season except his first nine games.

hockey buzz... hahaha.

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#34 RexLibris
August 03 2013, 11:09PM
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Okay, so for the sake of argument, let's suggest that 50 is our over/under. I'm suggesting that the Flames will struggle and end up with perhaps one or two players on pace to finish the season over 50 points based on limited powerplay opportunities, few veterans to shelter them, and not enough elite-level depth or roster balance.

You are suggesting, and I apologize if I'm putting words in your mouth at any point here, that the Flames will manage to find, shall we say three or four players breaking 50 points this season - should I venture a guess that you'd predict one makes 60 points?

So shall we say that we will use on-pace points for any player traded away during the season and one who plays more than 60 games and fewer than 70 due to injury?

I'd be game to see where we land there (and I wouldn't hesitate for a minute to admit if I were wrong, so this is a sincere comment). Honestly, if I'm wrong at season's end feel free to call me on it, I won't deny or hide from it.

My comments are simply my honest opinion from looking at the roster and trying to anticipate Hartley's possible coaching schemes against available matchups.

Looking at the Oilers' for the most recent historical comparison, in 2009-2010, the initial rebuild year and arguably the nadir of their recent history, only Dustin Penner managed more than 50 points (32-31-63). The following season, year two of the rebuild and the inclusion of Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, etc not a single player managed to break 50 points, although Hall was on pace for 52 pts, and Eberle and Gagner for 50 even. Then in 2011-2012 they had three - Eberle (76), with Hall on pace for 72 and Nugent-Hopkins on pace for 68.

Granted, the Flames have a better supporting cast, but the offensive ability simply isn't there. Having a deeper defense corps may help keep the puck out of the net a little more often, and maybe even aid in the transition attack, but if the scoring ability isn't there, or if the best scorers, in this case Stempniak and Hudler, are up against the best defensemen and shut-down forwards, then the math suggests there simply won't be enough scoring opportunities, even with average shooting percentages.

Or we could compare with the Hawks during their rebuild. 06-07, Martin Havlat managed 57 pts over 56 games. The following season, Kane got 72, Sharp got 62, Robert Lang and Toews both had 54. Hudler is the closest thing to Martin Havlat on the Flames roster right now and they don't have anyone close to a Kane, Toews or Sharp.

Again, not trying to be a jerk here, but the question was posed and I'm only offering the justification for my opinion.

Now, let's see if that Trash It! button has a max limit...

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#35 RKD
August 03 2013, 11:21PM
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Cammy is injury prone and not a 39 goal scorer but more like a guy who scored 39 goals once. If he wants to get back to that production, he's going to have to shoot like there's no tomorrow. He hasn't played a full season since the '08-09 campaign.

I would love if Sven Baertschi could hit 60 points, but they would have to play him top 3 minutes. I think I'm going to have to go with Glencross. Even though he's 30 he seems to be a late bloomer but getting better with age. Seems unlikely but I'd love to see him score like a Patrick Sharp. Have a couple of 30 goal seasons as a 30 and 31 year old.

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#36 SmellOfVictory
August 04 2013, 01:55AM
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I'm not disagreeing with that statement at all. I find it unlikely that a Flames player hits 60+, and unlikely that more than one or two break 50. I'm just saying that whoever does break 50 will probably hit the mid-50s as opposed to barely cresting the mark.

Interesting note on the trash button: the only person getting trashes in this exchange is me. :D

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#37 Jeff In Lethbridge
August 04 2013, 08:39AM
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hard to see Cammi not leading the scoring. thats my quess. In fact, I'd say

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#38 kittensandcookies
August 04 2013, 09:55AM
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John Deere Green wrote:

Off topic here I know but just a question for fellow sports radio listeners in Alberta. Hearing rumours of Andrew Walker leaving Fan 960 for 590 in Toronto, is there any chance of TSN radio coming to Calgary? Seems like Sportsnet in Calgary is just a stepping stone for on air "talent". I love listening to 960 but I'm having a tough time with listening with some of the on-air guys now, and am switching to whatever doesn't grate on my nerves. Sorry for hijacking the thread here but was hoping to gauge peoples thoughts and wondering the possibilities of some competition coming to town for 960.

The scary thing is Walker was actually much worse when he first started. He and the show have actually gotten better recently. It was actually a form of torture under UN rules before.

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#39 RexLibris
August 04 2013, 10:07AM
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Ha, not my doing. I haven't actually used it yet.

I see your point, but the difference between a 54 and a 58 pt season is pretty minimal.

I suppose my argument is just that I can't see one player on the roster running away with the points lead or even carrying one or two others. There is talent there, but it is largely complementary and some it is nearing that infamous post-apex mark.

Looking up and down the roster it is difficult to point at one person and say "he is the straw that stirs the drink" the way a younger Tanguay used to.

Of course, if I'm wrong and the Flames post five or six 50-60 point players that will end up infuriating fans who are anxious to pursue a rebuild by traditional draft means.

Call me an Oilers homer and bring up the Stajan/Gomez trade idea again, that should nix the Trash Its for you. ;-)

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#40 please cancel acct
August 04 2013, 10:18AM
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Hudler 55 Glencross 50

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#41 RexLibris
August 04 2013, 12:01PM
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Hudler 55 Glencross 50

Points or their age at the end of Feaster's next contract extension offer?

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#42 BJ
August 04 2013, 12:08PM
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My vote goes to Cammy Iguess.

Wouldnt mind seeing him resigned to an affordable 2-3 year deal at around 3.75-4 mill. Of course depending on what kinds of offers we get for him. If a low seed offers us a first or if we can get a really good prospect or young player then of course trade him.

However if the best offer is a 2 nd round and change then i say keep him. Skilled vets like Cammy and Glencross will give our young players mentorship as well as better skill development.

An absence of skilled and experienced players to play with may have a negative affect on the development of our young players.

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#43 BJ
August 04 2013, 12:10PM
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I predict Cammy gets 55 points and that Stemper Hudler and Stajan are the trade bait.

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#44 BJ
August 04 2013, 12:13PM
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Although I woild love to see a breakout season from someone less expected.

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August 04 2013, 12:48PM
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RexLibris wrote:

Points or their age at the end of Feaster's next contract extension offer?

Feaster has said some silly things. But he's nowhere near as goofy as Katz ,and Kevin (I've won a Stanley cup) Lowe.

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#46 McRib
August 04 2013, 01:18PM
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Considering if we played a full 82 game season last year Mike Cammalleri would have had 59 points, Lee Stempniak 55 points, Jiri Hudler 52 points, Curtis Glencross 53 points, Mikael Backlund 41 points and Dennis Wideman 39 points.

For me thats where our top five or six scorers will need to be next season to even be mediocre. I agree with RexLibris and think we will be hard pressed to have someone break 60 points, but we could have easily have 5 or 6 guys break 45 points which is the major difference between the Flames and Oilers rebuilds.

When in 2010-2011, 20 year old rookie Jordan Eberle led Edmonton with 43 points, although the Flames don't have any top end first line talent. We have a couple serviceable second caliber lines something the Oilers didn't have those last overall seasons.

If Baertschi, Brodie and Backlund emerge and we get regularly scoring from veterans Cammalleri, Stempniak, Hudler, Glencross, I think we have an adequate defense and enough solid goaltending chips competing for a job to think we will at least be competitive. Lee Stempniak & Mike Cammalleri have been lights out during contract years in the past and unless Backlund & Baertschi step up and take it away those two will lead our team in scoring.

If we don't get regular scoring by committee then lets just get ready to welcome Sam Reinhart or Michael Nylander to Calgary.

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#47 Baalzamon
August 04 2013, 01:39PM
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I hope you mean William Nylander and not Michael...

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#48 McRib
August 04 2013, 04:23PM
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Yikes, That was an oversight!!! Its interesting the Top Two prospects (Reinhart, Nylander) for the 2014 NHL Draft's fathers both played for the Flames maybe the hockey gods intend for us to tank this year... Not a bad thing. Also a big fan of Jake Virtanen's game who would just need to change dressing rooms in the Saddledome.

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#49 Parallex
August 04 2013, 07:46PM
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McRib wrote:

Yikes, That was an oversight!!! Its interesting the Top Two prospects (Reinhart, Nylander) for the 2014 NHL Draft's fathers both played for the Flames maybe the hockey gods intend for us to tank this year... Not a bad thing. Also a big fan of Jake Virtanen's game who would just need to change dressing rooms in the Saddledome.

I think it's more interesting that one of them was born while his father played for the Flames (William Nylander was born in Calgary).

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#50 Victoria Flames Fan
August 04 2013, 11:31PM
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Grabovski

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