FN Weekend Open Thread - Who leads the Flames in scoring next year?

Kent Wilson
August 03 2013 09:39AM

 

 

This was never much of a question when Jarome Iginla was around. With him gone and the team rebuilding, however, it might be the hardest prediction to make about the Flames this year. Aside from "will the Flames goaltending be any good?" of course.

Here are the candidates

- Mike Cammlalleri - no one on the roster has more career points than Cammy and he is the only guy to score more than 60 points in a season. He has also been trending downwards the last few years and is being actively shopped by the club as we speak. There's next to no chance he's still with the Flames after the trade deadline.

- Curtis Glencross - His career high is 48 points (albeit in 67 games) but Glencross is a good bet to soak up a lot of primary minutes this season on the PP and at even strength. He has spent a lot of time playing supporting roles during his NHL career, but this year he's lock to play a ton. Probably the odds-on favorite to lead the way with 50-60 points.

- Jiri Hudler - He was on pace for a 52 point season last year, though that had a lot to do with a red hot start that eventually fizzled. Hudler has scored over 50 before with Red Wings and can dazzle with his hands and vision. He can also disappear for long stretches and didn't look particularly jazzed to be in Calgary when management pulled the plug and began the rebuild last season. 

- Mikael Backlund - Likely 40-45 point guy over a full season, Backlund will nevertheless get a lot of ice time given the Flames center situation and may actually spend more than two minutes on the powerplay per game for the first time in his career. If he can stay healthy for a change, he has an outside shot.

- Lee Stempniak - One of the Flames most consistent performers in 2012-13, Stempniak was second behind Backlund in terms of possession and tied for first on the team in points with 32 in 47 games (a 56 point pace). Stempniak is also in a contract season and will be highly motivated to put together a strong year. Behind Glencross, he's probably the best bet to lead the charge, assuming he's with the team after the deadline that is.

- Sven Baertschi - The Flames rookie has all the tools to be a 60+ point getter in the league, but it's impossible to know if he'll take that kind of step this year, particularly given the lackluster supoorting cast. We also don't know where Sven will land in the rotation - top 6? Bottom 6? Second PP? His role and his degree of development will determine his output.

Dennis Wideman - Yes, this could actually happen. Wideman will probably lead the blueline in ice time and he'll get a ton of PP time as well. If one or two guys get injured up front and/or if a few of the vets get traded, this could be the type of season where a 47-point effort by a blueliner leads the club in scoring.

- Matt Stajan - This could actually happen as well, and frankly it would be a great thing for the team. If Stajan sticks in the top-6 and returns to 50-60 point form, Calgary will be able to flip him for a nice return at the deadline, which was an unthinkable scenario at this time last year.

David Jones - a bit of a long shot, Jones career best season of 27-goals and 45-points is within range of what it will take to be in the running, though he'll have to usurp at least one of Hudler, Stempniak, Cammalleri and Glencross to get enough ice time to be in the mix. That said, Jones probably won't be moved at trade deadline, so might win the race almost by default if Feaster clears the deck again.

So who will it be? Leave your pick and your point total estimate in the comments.

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#51 Seth
August 03 2013, 08:14PM
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Can someone help me out, when does the flames prospect camp open up? And is it open to the public? Thanks

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#52 ChinookArch
August 03 2013, 08:41PM
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The truth is I have no idea how the line combonations are going to shake out. I expect Cammaleri to get cushy circumstances and first team PP time. At the same time he is a very good finisher that needs someone else to carry the mail. In the year Iginla lost the Flames scoring title to him, it was Iginla serving him passes in the slot. If either Stajan or Backlund can consistently provide the mail delivery to Cammaleri, I'd say he won't need more than the trade deadline date to score the most goals this year. Again, with no real idea how the lines will be constructed and who will take on the hard minutes, it's a real crap shoot.

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#53 Jeff In Lethbridge
August 04 2013, 08:39AM
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hard to see Cammi not leading the scoring. thats my quess. In fact, I'd say

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#54 RexLibris
August 04 2013, 10:07AM
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@SmellOfVictory

Ha, not my doing. I haven't actually used it yet.

I see your point, but the difference between a 54 and a 58 pt season is pretty minimal.

I suppose my argument is just that I can't see one player on the roster running away with the points lead or even carrying one or two others. There is talent there, but it is largely complementary and some it is nearing that infamous post-apex mark.

Looking up and down the roster it is difficult to point at one person and say "he is the straw that stirs the drink" the way a younger Tanguay used to.

Of course, if I'm wrong and the Flames post five or six 50-60 point players that will end up infuriating fans who are anxious to pursue a rebuild by traditional draft means.

Call me an Oilers homer and bring up the Stajan/Gomez trade idea again, that should nix the Trash Its for you. ;-)

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#55 Parallex
August 04 2013, 07:46PM
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McRib wrote:

Yikes, That was an oversight!!! Its interesting the Top Two prospects (Reinhart, Nylander) for the 2014 NHL Draft's fathers both played for the Flames maybe the hockey gods intend for us to tank this year... Not a bad thing. Also a big fan of Jake Virtanen's game who would just need to change dressing rooms in the Saddledome.

I think it's more interesting that one of them was born while his father played for the Flames (William Nylander was born in Calgary).

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#56 FireOnIce
August 05 2013, 02:41PM
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Also, I doubt Cammy stays beyond this season. Why would he want to "stay on and mentor the kids" when he hasn't won a Cup yet?

I think, at best, you get a low 1st from a contender at the trade deadline, and possibly a mid-level prospect. Boosted by the fact that the Flames will give him every opportunity to score

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#57 coachedpotatoe
August 05 2013, 02:53PM
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FireOnIce wrote:

Also, I doubt Cammy stays beyond this season. Why would he want to "stay on and mentor the kids" when he hasn't won a Cup yet?

I think, at best, you get a low 1st from a contender at the trade deadline, and possibly a mid-level prospect. Boosted by the fact that the Flames will give him every opportunity to score

His value goes up only if he is hot near the deadline and based upon other teams needs. He could be a great mentor if he wants to be (for 3/4 of the season)

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#58 Scary Gary
August 05 2013, 04:31PM
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Just playing around a bit. Cammalleri 50+ Hudler 45+ Glencross 45-50

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#59 coachedpotatoe
August 05 2013, 05:15PM
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Scary Gary wrote:

Just playing around a bit. Cammalleri 50+ Hudler 45+ Glencross 45-50

If your numbers are even close to right that means that this group will score somewhere around 200+ goals. If this happens they will be in more games than people expect.

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#60 SmellOfVictory
August 03 2013, 12:52PM
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I love Backlund, but you know he's going to get hard matchups; same with Glencross and Stempniak. I think it's between Hudler and Baertschi. It wouldn't entirely surprise me if Wideman ended up being the leading scorer though (and it'd be kind funny).

David Jones sucks and I hate him, and Stajan is just okay.

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#61 kittensandcookies
August 04 2013, 09:55AM
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John Deere Green wrote:

Off topic here I know but just a question for fellow sports radio listeners in Alberta. Hearing rumours of Andrew Walker leaving Fan 960 for 590 in Toronto, is there any chance of TSN radio coming to Calgary? Seems like Sportsnet in Calgary is just a stepping stone for on air "talent". I love listening to 960 but I'm having a tough time with listening with some of the on-air guys now, and am switching to whatever doesn't grate on my nerves. Sorry for hijacking the thread here but was hoping to gauge peoples thoughts and wondering the possibilities of some competition coming to town for 960.

The scary thing is Walker was actually much worse when he first started. He and the show have actually gotten better recently. It was actually a form of torture under UN rules before.

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#62 Scary Gary
August 05 2013, 07:23PM
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@coachedpotatoe

Yeah no doubt injuries will play a role, that was best case; not to mention factoring trades in.

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#63 T&A4Flames
August 05 2013, 08:58PM
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Cammi will lead the way up to the deadline. GlenX will finish with top points.

I hope Stajan leads all point getters by the deadline but, obviously, nt likely.

Backs will make a push to beat out GlenX.

I could certainly see Jones being close. I've got mare faith in a resurgence by Jones than most. He will be given a lot of opportunity I think. Also given his physical attributes, I can see him playing a fair bit with Backs and Baers.

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#64 coachedpotatoe
August 06 2013, 07:32AM
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@RexLibris

You are absolutely right that we should not get to excited, however it does help to validate the Flames scouts and whom they drafted. It will be interesting to see how the mini tournament goes and how they play there; again as part of player development.

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#65 Parallex
August 06 2013, 09:31AM
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piscera.infada wrote:

I'll agree as well that we shouldn't start claiming them to be the second coming of Lemieux, or anything.

I just find it funny that when Monahan was lighting up the dev. camp with Gaudreau people were saying "you can't get too excited until they're playing against good/better competition." Now, its "don't get excited about one game against good competition." I mean, I understand the logic - I really do, small sample size, not the NHL, and all that. But, at what point are we allowed to get excited?

You answered your own question...

"I understand the logic - I really do, small sample size, not the NHL, and all that."

... So follow what your head says is logical. If those are the reasons for you to not get excited wait until enough of them are no longer true (eg. the Small Sample Size ceases being small, they show well against NHL level talent, etc. etc.).

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#66 Parallex
August 06 2013, 11:11AM
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@piscera.infada

I don't think I miss the point at all. You say at some point you think we can get excited about our prospects having good prospect-type showings and I agree, there is a point where you and I and whomever else can legitimately get excited over that. The question is when is that point? For me logically it's not after a couple of camps featuring predominantly amateur and minor-pro guys. If your assertation is that it should be at that time then I don't miss the point I just disagree with it.

Well... not "disagree". You or anyone else can be excited as early as you want (really, who am I to say otherwise) but I don't think someone can fault anyone else for the asterisk's either.

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#67 CalgaryIslander
August 06 2013, 09:59PM
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Should Monahan,on the 9 game trial,light it up,you gotta keep him.Look for a couple young roster players ,from other teams with "cap" problems, land in in Calgary. Jay Feaster and his excellent staff,will wrangle 'em in.

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#68 CalgaryIslander
August 07 2013, 12:06AM
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@DoubleDIon

David Jones will definitely make you forget about Alex Tanguay. Jones will be invigorated and regain his scoring touch...

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