Defending Jay Feaster

Christian Roatis
August 06 2013 08:30AM

When Jay Feaster officially replaced Darryl Sutter as the General Manager of the Calgary Flames in the December of 2010, a collective sigh of relief echoed through Calgary. After all, Sutter's dubious moves were jeopardizing the already down ward spiralling and aging Flames team - one no trade clause at a time.

That feeling of relief, was then quickly substituted by a (possibly pre-mature) sense of optimism. After all, Feaster was at the helm of the Tampa Bay Lightning when they beat out the Flames for the Stanley Cup in '04. What many people didn't know is that Feaster inherited most of the cup winning core. Richards, Lecavalier, Khabibulin, St. Louis and many others were already there when Feaster assumed the commanding role. Yes, he augmented the key pieces with a few additions (namely Daryl Sydor and Ruslan Fedotenko) that were imperative in the Lightning's run to the Stanley Cup Final, but the point is most of the heavy lifting had been done prior to his arrival.

So all the praise and hoopla he earned following the Cup win wasn't all that warranted.

One word I used to describe him when he was named the Interim GM here in Calgary: overrated. Besides his minimal involvement in crafting that one championship team in Tampa, he also carried with him an abysmal drafting record with the Bolts. Excluding the Steven Stamkos pick for obvious reasons, only 4 players drafted under Feaster went on to play over 150 NHL games - none of them becoming more than role/replacement players once reaching the NHL. He did draft Karri Ramo though, so let's hope he hit that one out of the park.

Nonetheless, optimism ran high in Calgary that Jay Feaster would be the man to right the ship and take the Flames to the promised land.

House on Fire

Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case. When Feaster was promoted to the GM role, he was faced with two problems: An unreasonable pressure o win and an aging, sub par, over paid roster. He had a truck load of no-trade clauses to deal and barely any cap space to operate with.

If Feater tried to look to the prospect system for help, he'd be met by only Greg Nemisz, Tim Erixon and Leland Irving. Everything was pretty bleak. He slowly began to cleanse the organization of these trouble spots and mend the tears that Darryl Sutter's madness had created. He also had to do this with the intention of staying competitive and making the playoffs - which has proved to be an impossible task.

Slowly, the prospect system has been rebuilt and cap flexibility has been restored. Yet, a portion of the fan base is still unhappy. Patience has seemingly run out and people want a change. But why? What has Feaster done to merit a pink slip? As my colleague here at FlamesNation Ryan Pike once wisely said, "Feaster inherited a house on fire, put it out and is now taking heat because the house is slightly charred." I couldn't agree more.

All Feaster has done in Calgary is clean up the mess that Sutter left behind and only now is beginning to put his own stamp on the club. My opinion is probably in the minority when I say this but I think Feaster has done an admirable job considering the circumstances.

The Feaster Resume

You may not agree with me, but when you look at the facts, most of what Feaster as done during his time in Calgary has benefited the club. Have a look for yourself:


Trades:

Note: The players acquired by the Flames will be first and both bolded and italicized

Trade:

Date:

Verdict:

Freddy Modin for 2011 7th round pick (#193-Colin Blackwell)

February 28, 2011

Not the best trade as Modin was plagued by injury and only ended up playing 4 games for Calgary. But considering what they gave up, not a big deal.

Roman Horak,

2011 2nd round pick (#45-Markus Granlund),

2011 2nd round pick (#57-Tyler Wotherspoon) for Tim Erixon,

2011 5th round pick (#133-Shane McColgan)

June 1, 2011

After being handcuffed by Erixon's refusal to sign with Calgary, Feaster managed to get excellent value from the New York Rangers. While Erixon still has the potential to be a stud defensemen, Calgary got 3 (very good) prospects in return. Considering neither Erixon nor McColgan are with the Rangers anymore, I'd say Calgary wins this trade.

Chris Butler and

 Paul Byron for Ales Kotalik

 Robyn Regehr

2012 2nd round pick (#44 - Jake McCabe)

June 25, 2011

I don't really want to talk about this. Feaster got fleeced, plain and simple.

Jordan Henry for Keith Seabrook

July 9, 2011

AHLer for AHLer. No real winner or loser here, although Henry did put in good minutes for the Heat during his time there.

Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond for a 2012 5th round draft pick (#135 - Graham Black)

 

Stupid move and Black has put up back to back 50 point seasons in the WHL. This could come back and bite Calgary in the butt. We'll see.

Lee Stempniak for Daymond Langkow

August 29, 2011

Langkow was coming off that gruesome neck injury and was in the twilight of his career anyway. Stempniak is a big part of this Flames team right now and has turned in good value for the Flames. Win for Calgary.

Blair Jones for Brendan Mikkelson

January 6, 2012

Low upside prospect for low upside prospect. I actually thought Jones was filling in that 4th line center role well this year, but the coaching staff seem to agree. Mikkelson also got some NHL games under his bet with the Lightning but has since moved on. I'd call this deal a draw.

Michael Cammalleri,

 Karri Ramo,

2012 5th round pick (Brett Kulak) for Rene Bourque,

 Patrick Holland,

2013 2nd round pick (#36 - Zach Fucale)

January 12, 2012

The winner of this deal will ultimately be decided by the prospects involved. Cammalleri and Bourque have brought relatively the same value to their respective teams, it all lies on what Holland/Fucale and Kulak/Ramo do. At this point, I'd call it a draw but Ramo's performance this season will likely decide it.

Brian Connelly for Brendan Morrison

January 27, 2012

Another low key move, the Flames traded Morrison who no longer had a spot on the team to Chicago for Connelly who helped out the farm team. No winners. No losers. If anything it was a favour to Morrison - finding him a home.

Akim Aliu for John Negrin

January 30, 2012

This deal looked a lot better for Calgary at the end of the 2011/12 season with the way Aliu played those final two games, but now this is just another AHLer for AHLer deal.

2012 1st round pick (#21-Mark Jankowski)

2012 2nd round pick (#42-Patrick Sieloff) for 2012 1st round pick (#14-Zemgus Girgensons)

June 22, 2012

The infamous Jankowski deal that made some Flames fan cringe - when the trade was announced as well as when the 21st pick was made. After all, Finnish dynamo Tuevo Teravainen (projected to go Top 5) was still on the board and Jankowski was projected to go mid 2nd. But now when looking at this deal - Jankowski and Sieloff for Girgensons - it's a win for the Flames. Girgensons doesn't project to be anything above a fringe second line guy while Jankowski could be a Top 6 center and Sieloff a Top 4 defenseman.

Dennis Wideman for Jordan Henry and a 2013 5th round pick

June 27, 2012

That's about market value for the rights of a good NHLer like Wideman so nothing to complain about. Henry's an AHL level guy and the 5th rounder was dealt.

7th Round Pick (#198 - John Gilmour) for Henrik Karlsson

January 21, 2013

Karlsson had no future in Calgary (he had just lost the back up job to Leland Irving) so turning him into a decent prospect was a job well done by Feaster and the scouting staff.

Mike Testwuide for Mitch Wahl

February 25, 2013

AHLer for AHLer. Nothing to see here folks.

Brian McGrattan for Joe Piskula

February 28, 2013

Well not only did fan favourite Brian McGrattan add needed grit to the team, he also turned into a scoring machine, sniping 3 silky geno's - matching his previous career total (LOL). Ryane Clowe had the same amount of goals as MacGrattan last year and the Rangers paid way more than an AHL defensemen to get him. Yeah, I'd rather have MacGrattan too. Who needs skating anyway? Career defining win for Feaster ;-)

Ben Hanowski, Kenny Agostino and a 2013 1st Round Pick (#28 - Morgan Klimchuck) for Jarome Iginla

March 27, 2013

We're now wading into "wait and see" territory as these latest trades can't be fairly judged for another few years. On the surface though, 2 solid prospects and Hanowski is pretty good return acknowledging the circumstances Iginla was traded in. Getting good return on an average 35 year old NHLer who will only go to ONE team is no easy task. Even if that guy is Jarome Iginla. Iginla is also no longer a member of the Penguins so those 3 pieces for 28 "eh" games of Iggy seems like good, bordering on great value for Calgary. For the record, I would've preferred Boston's deal.

Mark Cundari, Reto Berra and a

2013 1st round pick (#22 - Emile Porier) for Jay Bouwmeester

April 1, 2013

Wasn't a fan of this deal when it happened and frankly, I'm still not one. Bouwmeester is still a premier NHL defensemen and albiet a little over paid, he's worth more than what was acquired. It seemed like Feaster felt like he needed to tear it all down at once and may have rushed this deal a little. Best case scenario is that Berra is a starting goaltender, Cundari a Top 4 D and Porier a Top 6 forward but to me it looks more likely to turn into 3 average guys for Bouwmeester. Many media outlets however reported this was the only deal that included a 1st rounder - which would've been a must - so providing that be true, Feaster did ok. Again though, we can't judge this trade fairly until we see what the three guys turn into.

2013 5th Round Pick (#135 - Eric Roy) for Blake Comeau

April 3, 2013

The fact that Feaster actually got something - let alone a solid prospect - out of a deal for Blake Comeau is magic. Tip of the hat to you sir.

Corban Knight for a 2013 4th Round Pick (#97 - Michael Downing)

June 18, 2013

As of right now, Corban Knight is one of the top prospects in the organization, he fills a massive need at center and most importantly, is better than Michael Downing. Things can however, change. Today, it's a steal for Calgary, but for all we know Knight will bust and Downing will be the next Bobby Orr (he won't but for argument sake go with it).

 David Jones and Shane O`Brien for Cory Sarich and Alex Tanguay

June 27, 2013

We'll have to see how these guys do with their respective teams in 2013/14 but on the surface, Calgary gets younger, faster and harder to play against (Sarich doesn't add toughness from the press box) which are all things they identified as goals. Looks good to me.

 T.J. Galiardi for a 2015 4th Round Pick

July 2, 2013

We won't know the verdict of this one until long down the road but Galiardi is a serviceable NHLer with a little upside still remaining which more than can be said for most 4th Rounders. Still, this one is long from decided.

Kris Russell for a 2014 5th Round Pick

July 5, 2013

Same as Galiardi, Russell is a better player than most 5th rounders will become, but we'll have to wait and see how it plays out.

So of the 22 trades Feaster completed as GM of the Flames, I would say he only got ruined once - on the Reghr deal, although the PL3 trade was a loser the moment it was consummated. Everything else is either fair (in the case of the AHLer for AHLer), good value or to be determined. I joked about MacGrattan being his career defining trade but in reality the Iginla and Bouwmeester moves will be the ones that will define his stay as GM of the Flames. Both look decent at the moment but only time will tell how good the return for the Flames really was.

So the trade record isn't too shabby thus far.

Maybe it's his signings or drafting? Let's take a look.


Signings

During his 3 summers at the helm of the Flames, I'd say Feaster's Free Agent Frenzy activity has been defined more by deals he didn't make than the deals he did. 'Twas just 2 summers ago - in 2011, that Feaster moved heaven and earth to try and sign Brad Richards and rekindle the relationship they had in TampaBay. His failure to do so is currently being praised by every Flames fan on the planet. Having that monster deal attached to that player right now would be disastrous to the rebuild. In fact, if Richards was here there might not even have been a rebuild initiated.

Then there was the curious case of Ryan O'Reilly. What a rollercoaster that was. It went from pure elation "omg we're gonna get a franchise centerman for only a 1st and a 3rd and we're gonna make the playoffs with him" to disappointment "damn they matched" to a mix of horror and relief "we could have given Colorado our 1st and 3rd and then lost the player on waivers?!?! Thank god they matched!".  

Either of those two deals happening would probably result in Feaster losing his job. Imagine if both signings had happened, the franchise would've been in the worst spot of any NHL team in recent memory.

Feaster's actual signings however aren't too bad. Aside from a couple of uncomfortable term and money combinations handed to Alex Tanguay ($3.5M cap hit for 5 years) and Dennis Wideman ($5.25M cap hit for 5 years) it's been mostly recruiting college kids and signing/re-signing guys in the organization, although the Anton Babchuk and Brendan Morrison re-signs were bad bets, albeit not terribly damaging ones.

Feaster also managed to sign Curtis Glencross to incredible hometown discount with a cap hit of $2.55 million for another 2 years which currently seems too good to be true. He took a swing at Roman Cervenka and has taken heat for KHL sniper's flop in Calgary, but it was a decent low risk, medium reward gambit for the Flames. In fact, I'd like to see more of these type of ventures - eventually one of these home run swings will connect.

Juri Hudler's 4 years at 4 million per is another deal that could be a source for criticism because he's now one of the highest paid players on the team and not really the sort of talent that is going to turn the ship around. Hudler performed well last year, though he may not last in town over the long term.

A few notable re-signings include Lee Stempniak, Mikael Backlund (twice) and TJ Brodie to good term, fair money deals. A couple of head scratchers in the form of Anton Babchuck (2 years, $7M) and Cory Sarich (2 years, $4M) but neither did anything more than fill the press box and slightly lighten Murray Edwards' pockets.

Everything else has been relatively low risk and low profile. No real Glen Sather bombs on Feasters resume in Calgary to this point. Yeah, he almost bit the bullet twice with Richards and O'Reilly, but he didn't and in my opinion that's all that matters.

Draft

So his drafting record is the only tangible thing (short of the team's performance) left to judge Feaster's time in Calgary and we all now that there's little here that speaks against Feaster and his management team. He's done a masterful job of turning the prospect base into one of the best in the league. Nonetheless, let's take a quick look:

 

#, Year

Name

Status/Potential

13, 2011

F Sven Baertschi

Top 6 NHLer with upside

21, 2012

F Mark Jankowski

Top 10 team prospect with Top 6 upside

6, 2013

F Sean Monahan

Top 2 team prospect with top line potential

21, 2013

F Emile Poirier

Top 10 team prospect with Top 6 potential

28, 2013

F Morgan Klimchuck

Top 10 team prospect with Top 6 potential

45, 2011

F Markus Granlund

Top 15 prospect with Top 6 potential

57, 2011

D Tyler Wotherspoon

Top 15 prospect with Top 4 potential

42, 2012

D Pat Sieloff

Top 15 prospect with Top 4 potential

75, 2012

G Jon Gillies

Top 10 prospect with starting potential

67, 2013

D Keegan Kanzig

Prospect with potential

104, 2011

F Johnny Gaudreau

Top 5 prospect with top line potential

105, 2012

D Brett Kulak

Top 20 prospect with Top 6 potential

124, 2012

D Ryan Culkin

Top 15 prospect with Top 4 potential

135, 2013

D Eric Roy

Top 15 prospect with Top 4 potential

164, 2011

G Laurent Brossoit

Top 15 prospect with starting potential

165, 2012

F Coda Gordan

Top 25 prospect with Top 9 potential

157, 2013

F Tim Harrison

Top 20 prospect with Top 9 potential

186, 2012

F Matt DeBlouw

Top 25 prospect with NHL potential

187, 2013

D Rushan Rafikov

Top 15 prospect with Top 4 potential

198, 2013

D John Gilmour

Top 25 prospect with NHL potential

Overall, it's a very solid group. A gecent mix of talent and depth. Looks like a number of these guys will actually be NHLers one day. Quite the change from the Sutter era.

Conclusion

So why are so many Flames faithful calling for it? My answer is: the way he sometimes handles his business and puts the fans in a crappy spot. Nothing concrete or official, rather little declarations and bold speeches that sometimes put the Flames and their faithful in the cross hairs of critics and trolls league wide. The guarantee that Calgary will make the playoffs? That ridicule lasted right up until Feaster told the world that 21st overall, off the board selection Mark Jonkowski will be the best player to come out of the 2012 Draft. Combine that with the crappy records and underachieving, aging group in Calgary, Flames fans were constant targets for jokes and tease from the rest of the league.

Feaster's rhetoric aside, his tenure in Calgary began on the wrong foot, mostly because the prior regime bungled things so badly. Only now that he's been allowed to clear everything out and start fresh will we really get to see what kind of mark he can make on the organization.

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Christian Roatis is a European by birth, Calgarian by heart. Other than writing at FlamesNation, he writes about and scouts NHL Draft Prospects at Future Considerations. Follow him on Twitter @CRoatis!
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#1 ChinookArch
August 06 2013, 10:01AM
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The article misses a couple of important elements that the GM should be judged by as well. I like what he's done from an organization point of view. The Flames are no longer a one cowboy show, instead feaster has expanded the team management and appears to have given each of his guys a real opportunity to make decisions. Decisions appear to be a committee of talents. I applaud this move.

Feaster made the AHL farm team a priority and began improving the team immediately after getting the top job. Hiring Troy Ward in my view was also an important move in this regard.

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#2 Arik
August 06 2013, 09:15AM
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The infamous Jankowski deal that made some Flames fan cringe - when the trade was announced as well as when the 21st pick was made. After all, Finnish dynamo Tuevo Teravainen (projected to go Top 5) was still on the board and Jankowski was projected to go mid 2nd. But now when looking at this deal - Jankowski and Sieloff for Girgensons - it's a win for the Flames. Girgensons doesn't project to be anything above a fringe second line guy while Jankowski could be a Top 6 center and Sieloff a Top 4 defenseman.

This is...awful analysis. Jankowski is tracking worse now than he was before since we've actually seen him in the NCAA and it's been bad.

Furthermore, you completely ignore the fact that Teravainen has looked utterly excellent in WJC camps recently and scored 31 pts in 44 games in the SM-liiga.

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#3 Ryan Pike
August 06 2013, 10:48AM
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To a certain extent, Calgary's WILDLY improved drafting is a combination of (a) Feaster and John Weisbrod giving scouts clear instructions on how to evaluate players for their internal list and (b) actually LISTENING to their scouts about what they come back with.

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#4 Arik
August 06 2013, 09:25AM
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Also, listing all the drafted players rankings in terms of the team (Top ten prospect!) is rather silly, given how self evident it is. Feaster could be the worst drafter ever and all his prospects will be top 10/15/20 team prospects because duh.

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#5 Kenta
August 06 2013, 09:51AM
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@Arik

Having a bad day Arik?

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#6 KetchupKid
August 06 2013, 02:47PM
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@Kurt

"His ego and inability to see the train wreck coming down the tracks led to ALL OF US living through 5-6 years of hell."

Following hockey as closely as a lot of readers on this site do can lead to melodrama. I think some perspective can be useful.

I'd make the (probably boring) assessment that Jay Feaster's managing falls in a grey area somewhere between a thumbs up and a thumbs down. I like his drafting (even Jankowski), but I'm quite a bit colder on his trade history than Christian is. I get the feeling Jay's been representing ownership loyally while rebuilding as fast as possible. It has to be a pretty stressful balancing act.

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#7 BitGeek
August 06 2013, 10:53AM
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I think with Feaster at the helm, we'll always be saying... "It could have been worse".

He's not a complete disaster, but nothing in his resume stands out as consistently good either.

He did inherit the burning house and has put out the fire without bringing the whole structure down. Now he needs some consistent good wins for the organization.

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#8 Parallex
August 06 2013, 01:07PM
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Monaertchi wrote:

And now that you've got my dander up, I assume that you have no proof at all that the Flames have a list AND that they take the best player available from that list.

Sounds like you're making a baseless assumption to me.

You mean besides Feaster saying that they have a list and saying that they draft the list?

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#10 piscera.infada
August 06 2013, 09:15AM
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D Keegan Kanzig - Prospect with potential.

Great!!

Thanks for this article, I thought I was the only one. While his tenure thus far hasn't been a rousing success, I'm not sure how much better it could have been. Sure, he dodged a few bullets (Richards and ROR), but what GM hasn't? Feaster came in with a deck stacked against him - an organization in crisis and an ownership group that couldn't move on. All tolled, it's slowly but surely moving in the right direction.

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#11 the-wolf
August 06 2013, 11:15AM
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Well put together overall, but here's my 3 gripes:

1) Comparing Janko to Girgensons makes no sense. Everyone that was passed over that Calgary could have had needs to be the comparison, not who Buffalo took (which could have been stellar, awful or anywhere in-between).

TT was the consensus best player on th eboard with a development time project at half of Janko's. That makes way more sense than Girgensons.

2) Too much credit for the overall increase in prospect pool. This is largely due to finally having to gut the team and ship out the biggest names on the team. Any GM in Feaster's position would have increased the talent pool at that point and a major amount of the increased talent in the talent pool came from those trades.

3) Feaster's mandate when hired was to win now. He failed at it miserably. His failure to win now and the resultant poor finish also added to the increase in the talent pool.

Bonus:

4) Not eating cap space on the JBo trade. the fact that the Blues re-signed JBo shows there was more to be had if we just ate some salary. Keeping it all for the off-season was a miscalculation. As of right now, I have yet to see any big steals due to other teams having to shed salary while Calgary sweeps in and grabs Player Awesome.

From a philosophical standpoint I like Feaster. And I agree with Chinook Arch that that factors in. However, based off the moves he's made I'd say "meh." Not getting more for JBo when the opportunity presented itself and not taking TT could prove to be huge errors down the road.

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#12 The Last Big Bear
August 06 2013, 11:24AM
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I have this dog, he's a really great dog, super friendly, obedient, does everything you'd ever want a dog to do.

Except like, two or three times in the last couple years, he's tried to attack a small child. But I happened to have a muzzle so he hasn't actually able to maul any toddlers. Except that one time in Buffalo. And possibly last trade deadline (I don't know how the kid turned out yet, they might be OK).

And the fact that he has tried as hard as he could to do something incredibly stupid, but was stopped by forces beyond his control, means that we should pretend it didn't happen.

I mean, sure, there are some people who say "Judging your dog based on what he *did*, it's clear that he *did* try to attack people. So that's the kind of thing we should expect him to *do* in the future. And while he did happen to have a muzzle two of the three times he's done catastrophically stupid things, he doesn't usually have a muzzle on, so maybe he isn't as good of a dog as you think."

But screw that. If someone tries their hardest to do something really, really stupid, but fails, it doesn't count. We should still consider them competent and continue to rely on their judgement.

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#13 Kurt
August 06 2013, 02:16PM
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Defending Feaster is a joke. The guy should be fired yesterday not defended. You can't start to point out some marginal trades he made or semi successful things and ignore the complete mess we are in now thanks in large part to his ego and inability to see a train coming head on for the past 3 years.

I don't think GMs should be blamed or given too much credit for drafting. A good GM will have a good staff, and trust his staff and drafting really is a group task. Feaster could be blamed (or praised) for the scouting team, and his supporting staff, but pointing out particular players who have or haven't succeeded is IMO unfair.

On the other hand, I think a GM should be highly judged for the direction of the team and the structural issues. I think that Feaster has made so many unforgivable errors in judgement that I honestly can't fathom why he has a job never mind ANY supporters. To name a few...

The ROR saga would result in a pink slip in any normal real world scenario. I don't care whose fault it was, or if they had a different interpretation or whatever. End of the day, Feaster is the boss, and that could have resulting in a DISASTER of epic proportions. I can't believe he still has a job after that.... Then there is the whole mouthing off Edmonton about never rebuilding, then toileting our team and then jumping on the canoe we are riding today. He let ego get in the way of proper hockey decisions leading to being a stubborn mule for 2 years and running his assets into the ground trying to avoid rebuilding at all costs. He could have traded Iggy & JBo 2 years ago (or at least 1) and got exponentially more. He could have traded Kipper. But no, he didn't want to be like Edmonton. Well, how'd that work..... As of today, I wish we were Edmonton. Its great to look back and laugh and point and whatever. But end of the day WE BOTH missed the playoffs for the last 4 years. The only difference is that we have nothing to show for it! We are screwed at ground zero of a rebuild and they are on their way up.... We should be too if Feaster wasn't so cocky, arrogant and stubborn.

The rebuild could be 3 years ahead of where it is today. His ego and inability to see the train wreck coming down the tracks led to ALL OF US living through 5-6 years of hell. And thats being generous. I'd say the last 3 years have been pretty crappy, and we got AT LEAST 3 years of pain ahead of us... As the GM, Feaster should have seen this coming. We COULD have done a mini re-tool on the fly. Instead we are in Edmonton's shoes, 3-4 years behind them with no #1 picks to pad the cupboards. Good thing we have so much cap space! Atta boy Feaster.

Lastly, I think he constantly embarrasses the team with his arrogance. Proclaiming Jankowski is the best player in last years draft on live TV was the peak for me, but I honestly cringe every time I see him on TV. Only Mike Gillis is more of a cocky bumbling fool, and even then Feaster comes across as good competition.

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#14 Clay
August 06 2013, 11:04AM
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I'm on board with Christian.

My feelings reside mostly with the fact that Feaster, while we hate his rants, remains a man of action. We aren't kickstarting this rebuild with Tambo at the helm.

His drafting record in Calgary speaks for itself. Before you criticize individual selections like Jankowski remember that every pick is more likely to not be a serviceable NHLer than will be. The proof is in the average. We have gone from a bottom 5 system to a top 10 as per Pronman, with a couple of mid round picks having homerun potential. Personally, I'd rather see the team select Jankowski and Poirier when they have conviction on the player, than walk up and take Teravainen and Shinkaruk because that is where Bobby Mac's phone calls say he's the best player available. Having conviction shows homework was being done, and the Flames arent just picking a guy because he's the next Western Leaguer on the list.

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#15 T&A4Flames
August 06 2013, 01:59PM
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@Arik

Since you seem so negative towards the article and somewhat towards Feaster (in regards to this blog), I suggest an article that compares GM's over the same period that Feaster has done his work in CGY in a similar format to this article (obviously eliminating the "top 10, 20" listings).

Feaster etc gets a lot of focus here obviously and much of it negative. People are so quick to jump on him for questionable things, but other GM's make errors as well. We just don't here about them or focus on them. 29 other organizations to look at and compare to Feasters body of work. You up to the challenge?

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#16 BurningSensation
August 06 2013, 06:55PM
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The Last Big Bear wrote:

Allow me to retort:

TRADES:

The Iginla trade will not be Feaster's career defining trade. His career defining trade was when he lost one of the worst trades of the decade by shipping out Brad Richards.

In Feaster's OWN opinion, one of his best moves was to NOT acquire Vokoun. Instead he went with the worst goaltending stable in the NHL (including a teenaged Karri Ramo), condemned his team to the bottom of the NHL, and created a goaltending void that the franchise is still struggling to fill nearly a decade later. Meanwhile, Vokoun's recent resume additions include lines like "Usurped the playoff starter position on a cup contending team from a former 1st overall pick who's a decade younger than me."

He lost the Iginla trade. The only qualifier is that it may or may not have been his fault. We don't know the nitty-gritty details, so we have to give him a bit of a Mulligan on this one.

He may or may not have lost the Bouwmeester trade, but that deal hinges on the 3rd best goalie in the Swiss league becoming a legit NHLer, so... yeah.

The Regehr trade was so bad, that a guy writing an article talking about Feaster's moves as a GM says he doesn't want to talk about it.

He *did* win the Langkow for Stempniak trade, though. So there's that, I guess.

SIGNINGS:

Feaster tried to pull the trigger on a deal that would have cost the team the 6th overall pick for nothing in return. He also offered Brad Richards eleventy billion dollars on a contract lasting until the end of time and space.

Now look at the Flames' roster. There is nothing on that bottom-feeding roster that could ever possibly outweigh either one of those two deals going through.

DRAFTING

His draft record in his previous job was (with not a single word of exaggeration) worse than Maggie the Monkey pointing at a TSN Draft Guide.

To this very day, the ONLY guy playing in the NHL full time that was drafted by Feaster was the kid on the cover of The Hockey News. There are no full-time NHLers drafted by Feaster other than Stamkos.

Last year, at a draft where the one thing his team needed more than anything else in the world was to land a sure-thing NHLer, he picked the biggest gamble of the draft.

None of his draftees with the Flames have done anything of note at the NHL level, so maybe it's a *LITTLE* bit early to be patting him on the back for the drafting success that he hasn't had yet. Especially when his prior draft record is so incredibly bad.

CONCLUSION:

Fire Feaster.

If you would rather have 28 games of Jarome Iginla in rapid decline than Klimchuk/Hanoswki/Agostino than you are flat out insane. Anyway you cut it the Iginla deal is pure win.

He's already won the JBo deal as well, Poirier, Bera and Cundari are worth more to a rebuilding team than JBo and his massive salary are.

And clearly you are one of the pants-wettiers when it comes to trading down to select Jankowski and Seiloff. Presumably you would have preferred Girgensons - a surefire 3rd liner, instead of a potential 1st liner (albeit with significant risk).

Me, I prefer a GM who swings for the fences than one who insists on playing it as safe as possible.

Conclusion - you should change your undergarments and put some big boy underwear on.

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#17 piscera.infada
August 06 2013, 09:30AM
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Yes, he really should have listed every prospect in the system as some sort of league-wide meta-ranking - that certainly would have been an easy task, and not at all open for debate.

But you always seem to be one who gives the most apropos commentary.

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#18 Kent Wilson
August 06 2013, 10:22AM
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We should start calling this place FRIENDSNATION amiright?

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#19 Clay
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Christian Roatis wrote:

In my defense on the Tuevo thing, I wrote this before he blew the doors down at the WJC camp.

I don't think you have to defend it. It is a WJC "camp". Markus Granlund blew the doors open at the actual tournament, similarly as a 19 year old. Nobody is falling over themselves penciling him in on the Flames top line. Tuevo should dominate that camp, he's a 19 year old first round pick.

The theme of your argument does have substance... see the forest through the trees.

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#20 Arik
August 06 2013, 10:19AM
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@piscera.infada

Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying! I'm clearly making the point Roatis should've ranked the prospects league wide, rather than the much more salient point that ranking prospects for the purpose of this article is a fallacy.

Also you don't know what apropos means.

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#21 Parallex
August 06 2013, 12:34PM
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Whoa... that's a few baseless assumptions and loaded words right there. The idea that the Flames drafted Poirier with Shinkaruk still on the board just because they didn't think that Shinkaruk would be there is laughable... the Flames like all teams have a list, they took Poirier before Shinkaruk because they had him (Poirier) higher on the list.

I mean... did the 22 other teams that passed on Shinkaruk (or more realistically 12 other teams if you go by Shinkaruk's #10ish ranking on mocks and what not) just get flustered on draft day too?

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#22 SmellOfVictory
August 06 2013, 09:48AM
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Arik wrote:

Also, listing all the drafted players rankings in terms of the team (Top ten prospect!) is rather silly, given how self evident it is. Feaster could be the worst drafter ever and all his prospects will be top 10/15/20 team prospects because duh.

In that sort of context I think the better way of looking at it would be that, within a year of the 2011 draft, Feaster's picks already comprised the majority of the top 10 (if I recall correctly). Part of that was due to Erixon being traded, but nevertheless, he's clearly been a better drafter than his predecessor. And it appears as though the Flames may be above average in general over his tenure so far.

2011 for the Flames looks as close to a draft slam-dunk as one can get, at this stage. That obviously could change, but for now there's no real indication that any of the guys picked are going to bust.

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#23 Clyde Frog
August 06 2013, 10:53AM
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So his drafting record is the only tangible thing (short of the team's performance) left to judge Feaster's time in Calgary and we all now that there's little here that speaks against Feaster and his management team. He's done a masterful job of turning the prospect base into one of the best in the league.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Yeah, rose coloured glasses much? I can only imagine how many NHL teams would trade farm systems with Calgary right now....

Lol Janikowski will go down as a lesson to all GM's who get the off-the-board itch.

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#24 Baalzamon
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Clyde Frog wrote:

So his drafting record is the only tangible thing (short of the team's performance) left to judge Feaster's time in Calgary and we all now that there's little here that speaks against Feaster and his management team. He's done a masterful job of turning the prospect base into one of the best in the league.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Yeah, rose coloured glasses much? I can only imagine how many NHL teams would trade farm systems with Calgary right now....

Lol Janikowski will go down as a lesson to all GM's who get the off-the-board itch.

According to Hockey Prospectus, precisely 20 teams would trade farm systems with Calgary.

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#25 Avalain
August 06 2013, 12:11PM
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Actually I think comparing Janko to Girgensons is the best comparison that can reasonably be made. Sure, Feaster gave up the potential to draft someone like Teravainen, but if you actually compared a pick to every pick that could have been taken, almost every single pick is a loss. Trading down is then virtually ALWAYS a loss. For example, let's take a look at all of those 14th overall picks, but go back a few years so that we have hindsight to help us. 2009 was Dmitri Kulikov by Florida, but they could have picked Ryan O'Reilly. 2008 was Zach Boychuk by Carolina when Erik Karlsson went 15th and Jordan Eberle went 22nd. 2007 was Kevin Shattenkirk by Colorado, and while he's good and all, wouldn't PK Subban have been a better choice? 2006 was Michael Grabner by Vancouver while Claude Giroux went 22nd. 2005 was Sasha Pokulok by Washington when they could have had Kris Letang...or if you really think about it Washington could have drafted Jonathan Quick and actually had a solid goalie in the system. In 2004 Edmonton picked Devan Dubnyk instead of Cory Schneider. 2003...well, Brent Seabrook is a solid part of a winning Chicago team so it's really tough to argue with results - but I wonder if it would have been better to have picked Shea Weber instead? 2003 is a crazy year in terms of depth, though.

Basically, the only thing to really get out of this is that the 14th overall pick is tough. Most of the safe bets are gone but there is almost always a diamond in the rough that is very likely going to elude you. If TT was the pick that made way more sense than Girgensons, why wasn't he ACTUALLY picked then? Come on, there are reasons why players drop down in the draft. It may have been a bad choice, but clearly TT wasn't rated that highly by Feaster or he would have jumped on the pick instead of trading down.

As for him failing to win now, well, I can't see how any GM could have done that.

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#26 bookofloob
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It's not his scorecard of moves that makes me question Feaster's ability as a GM (though, my outlook on a lot of these trades are nowhere near as rosy as some of the ones you list here).

If you look at where the Flames are now to where they were when Feaster first took over, it's admittedly better. The team is younger and cheaper, and that's a good thing. They've blown it up, which they finally decided to do. They took way too much time trying to decide which way they wanted to go (blow it up or keep buying) and just stagnated while figuring it out.

My issue with Feaster is one of the things you can actually admire about him: his steadfast refusal to break from his plan. Between him and his team, they've identified how they want to build this team, and refuse to budge from how they're going to do it.

The problem here is that a good GM should be adaptive. The draft was a good example. Poirier was a player they identified they wanted, so they were going to waste a first rounder on him regardless. When a guy like Shinkaruk was still available, something they likely didn't count on, they didn't seem to address the situation. Unwilling to bend. If Poirier ends up being a better player than Shinkaruk, that's great, but right now he doesn't really seem to be trending that way (I know, still too super early to tell)

The issue with this unwillingness to adapt is I'm not sure this management team really knows the right kind of players they need to identify to make this the team they want to build. They want to be bigger and harder to play against; they're certainly bigger, I just don't know if THEY know what harder to play against means. It sounds like a fancy way of saying "grittier" to me. I don't see them really identifying certain skills that ACTUALLY make you harder to play against.

I'm not throwing Feaster under the bus here. This is a really hard job. This was never going to be an easy fix. I'm just not sure he's the guy that truly knows how to do it.

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#27 T&A4Flames
August 06 2013, 01:05PM
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Christian Roatis wrote:

In my defense on the Tuevo thing, I wrote this before he blew the doors down at the WJC camp.

I enjoyed reading this article; something postive and not numbers based to prove how crappy the organization or certain players prospects are. Perhaps viewed through rosey colored glasses and rah rah homeristic, but pleasant.

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#28 BurningSensation
August 06 2013, 02:28PM
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Holy cow, I can't believe Burning Sensation hasn't chimed in with "In Further Defence of Jay Feaster".

I thought Christian said it all pretty well, actually. :-)

The only thing that Feaster could do to make his critics happy is to absolutely kill another team in a trade that brings us a young asset.

Outside of him pulling that off just his being competent or slightly above average isn't going to win him any friends.

In part this is because of history. Fans my age remember when Cliff Fletcher used to be able to pick up the phone call St Louis and order whatever he wanted. Need a 1st/2nd line center? Here, take Doug Gilmour. Need a winger? How about Joe Mullen? (maybe best we don't talk about the time he called up St Louis and inquired about a backup goaltender and Rob Ramage).

Until Feaster commits an act of highway robbery, the incremental improvements he's made to the team and organization simply won't be sufficient to get the monkey's off his back.

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#29 TheoForever
August 06 2013, 03:24PM
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The way I see it, Feaster is a likeable middle of the pack GM without much of an ego. B-, is a good grade actually.

He improved the structure of the organization, hired some good people and lets them do their job. The greatly improved drafting record is the direct reflection of that. (A-)

Any criticism for not trading Iginla earlier and not embracing a rebuild is ridicules as he was following Edwards orders. Earlier rebuild would have been very difficult due to NTC’s and internal mess.

Feaster’s trading record is underwhelming in several cases. However, on couple of occasions and with back to the wall the man got some excellent returns. (C+)

Going after Richards doesn’t make Feaster a bad GM, just same as all the others.

The near ROR disaster in my book could have been dismissible offense. ( F ) However, in NHL things work in mysterious ways just look at Philly.

I have yet to hear anyone suggest appropriate replacement for Feaster. And like I said before Burke and former unproven players are not replacements.

In Feaster we trust, ok maybe not.

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#30 Parallex
August 06 2013, 03:24PM
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@Monaertchi

I know to what he was refering, but I didn't make any reference to the ROR situation. Not in this topic (and certainly not in the quote that he attached his comment to). So his reply had no relevancy.

"As for Feaster saying that they have a list and pick from it, he also said his directive from on high was to make the playoffs next season, and that by 2022 Janko would be the best player from his draft year."

So... what? You think that they draw names out of a hat? throw a dart at a board of names? C'mon... what's more likely that the Flames draft off a list and they had Poirier higher then Shinkaruk on that list or that when 22 was up and they saw Shinkaruk not on the board everyone at the table went "...derp" and drafted Poirier anyways? C'mon now.

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#31 The Last Big Bear
August 06 2013, 04:48PM
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Allow me to retort:

TRADES:

The Iginla trade will not be Feaster's career defining trade. His career defining trade was when he lost one of the worst trades of the decade by shipping out Brad Richards.

In Feaster's OWN opinion, one of his best moves was to NOT acquire Vokoun. Instead he went with the worst goaltending stable in the NHL (including a teenaged Karri Ramo), condemned his team to the bottom of the NHL, and created a goaltending void that the franchise is still struggling to fill nearly a decade later. Meanwhile, Vokoun's recent resume additions include lines like "Usurped the playoff starter position on a cup contending team from a former 1st overall pick who's a decade younger than me."

He lost the Iginla trade. The only qualifier is that it may or may not have been his fault. We don't know the nitty-gritty details, so we have to give him a bit of a Mulligan on this one.

He may or may not have lost the Bouwmeester trade, but that deal hinges on the 3rd best goalie in the Swiss league becoming a legit NHLer, so... yeah.

The Regehr trade was so bad, that a guy writing an article talking about Feaster's moves as a GM says he doesn't want to talk about it.

He *did* win the Langkow for Stempniak trade, though. So there's that, I guess.

SIGNINGS:

Feaster tried to pull the trigger on a deal that would have cost the team the 6th overall pick for nothing in return. He also offered Brad Richards eleventy billion dollars on a contract lasting until the end of time and space.

Now look at the Flames' roster. There is nothing on that bottom-feeding roster that could ever possibly outweigh either one of those two deals going through.

DRAFTING

His draft record in his previous job was (with not a single word of exaggeration) worse than Maggie the Monkey pointing at a TSN Draft Guide.

To this very day, the ONLY guy playing in the NHL full time that was drafted by Feaster was the kid on the cover of The Hockey News. There are no full-time NHLers drafted by Feaster other than Stamkos.

Last year, at a draft where the one thing his team needed more than anything else in the world was to land a sure-thing NHLer, he picked the biggest gamble of the draft.

None of his draftees with the Flames have done anything of note at the NHL level, so maybe it's a *LITTLE* bit early to be patting him on the back for the drafting success that he hasn't had yet. Especially when his prior draft record is so incredibly bad.

CONCLUSION:

Fire Feaster.

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#32 lionlager
August 06 2013, 09:24AM
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Nice overview. I tend to think he's doing alright, but I'm still disappointed he couldn't get Ty Rattie in that deal for Boumeester. Agreed about his rhetoric. I'd say that was actually his biggest strength when he first got the job. It was refreshing to actually hear a GM talk to the fans and the press, and eloquently. But nowadays we know that most of it is just hot air.

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#33 ChinookArch
August 06 2013, 09:56AM
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I don't like writing young guys off like Jankowski off, but I'd have to agree with Arik and say it's not looking good. I'm obviously hoping that he'll put a big step forward this year - time will tell. Overall Feaster has been average to below average in his trade dealings, but good to very good (at least as far as I can see) at the draft table.

His worst move by far was the Bouwmeester deal. I believe he could have and should have got more, and if the Blues were not going to provide more, he had the option to wait to make the move this coming season. I just hate this deal.

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#34 prendrefeu
August 06 2013, 10:49AM
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Exactly. I'm not saying Jankowski will never amount to anything (which people seem to think I am because people love putting words in my mouth), just that the outlook is grim. I'm a realist, not a "JAY FEASTER POOPS UNICORNS AND RAINBOWS" kinda guy.

What people seem to forget is that I was actually somewhat pro-Feaster when he was first hired. I didn't like the hiring process, but I didn't mind Feaster himself. Obviously, I've become very disenfranchised.

Yes, because everyone on the internet absolutely pays attention to one individual in the midst of everything else going on in life. Forgive us, Arik, for our blunder forgetting where your opinion stood on a topic long ago.

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#35 Purple Hazze
August 06 2013, 11:13AM
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The infamous Jankowski deal that made some Flames fan cringe - when the trade was announced as well as when the 21st pick was made. After all, Finnish dynamo Tuevo Teravainen (projected to go Top 5) was still on the board and Jankowski was projected to go mid 2nd. But now when looking at this deal - Jankowski and Sieloff for Girgensons - it's a win for the Flames. Girgensons doesn't project to be anything above a fringe second line guy while Jankowski could be a Top 6 center and Sieloff a Top 4 defenseman.

This is...awful analysis. Jankowski is tracking worse now than he was before since we've actually seen him in the NCAA and it's been bad.

Furthermore, you completely ignore the fact that Teravainen has looked utterly excellent in WJC camps recently and scored 31 pts in 44 games in the SM-liiga.

He's tracking worse now than when he was drafted? Is that why when THN did a re-draft of the 2012 draft and they had him moved up to 25th. The only way he got worse is if you had some lofty unrealistic expectations of him for his first NCAA season. It was a weak draft year, especially for forwards.

As far as your other comment about what team would trade prospect pools with us. Well considering that after this year's draft our prospect pool moved up to being ranked 10th, I'd say there's about 20 teams out there that would be willing to trade with us.

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#36 Calgary Candle
August 06 2013, 05:29PM
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FN Done Feasting on Feaster?

I'm delighted to see Feaster defended on this board. He has made mistakes, but has his fair share of accomplishments.

1) We have two possible #1 goaltenders vs. a Kipper two years from retirement. There are several excellent goalie prospects in the system

2) He is beginning to rebuild credibility at Centre Ice (Monahan, Knight, Backlund.

3) He has snared a number of quality late-round draft picks (eg. Gudreau)and rebuilt the prospect stable.

4) He has the Flames out of "salary cap jail" and still can make a couple of significant pickups for 2013-14 to make a run at the playoffs.

Not bad in the time he has been here.

Calgary Candle (Becoming a Feaster Fan)

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#37 Parallex
August 06 2013, 12:40PM
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@Monaertchi

Not "This" actually. Trying to metaphorically equate the Regher trade to a dog mauling a child is really ergregous hyperbole. As far as dog related offenses go it's more on the scale of forgetting to pick up it's poop while on a walk.

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#38 McRib
August 06 2013, 12:56PM
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Sean Monahan scored two goals, Emile Poirier also got a goal helping Team Red to a 3-2 win in Hockey Canada's intersquad game yesterday!! The Flames are shaping up to have two guys in Canada's Top Six and Jankowski/Klimchuk could make the bottom six with good starts to the season. When was the Last time the Flames had 4 forwards with legitamite shots at making the Canadian World Junior Team???

It also looks like Pat Sieloff is going to be USAs Captain and Jon Gillies their starter in net.

Anyone who says Calgarys Prospect Pool is not at least Top. 10 in the league is sleeping!! Even Corey Pronman has us in his Top. 10 Farm Systems and he doesn't like Emile Poirier nearly as much as others. Seen people have us as high as 3 or 4.

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#39 Kevin R
August 06 2013, 04:10PM
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EASY! Beloved is not a word I'd use for the Oilers! As Ketchupkid pointed out, I'm a bit melodratic about this stuff. But I'm just passionate about the team and tired of sucking.... I actually am happy with the past 3-4 months. Very happy. Just cause I'm critical of Feaster and find a lot of parallels in our plight and the errors Edmonton made doesn't mean I like or wish we were anything like the Coilers.

Jesus Kurt! Take a deep breath & think about a few things. To dump on Feaster for not trading Iginla, JBO & Kipper sooner & not seeing the train wreck 3 years ago. My Lord! Ever consider no GM & Ken King had the green light from Murray Edwards to trade Iggy. If you cant trade Iggy, then you had to keep JBO & Kipper. Quit blaming the GM for a mandate imposed on him from Ownership. The guy is actually been given the green light to taking the direction that is making you so happy these past 3-4 months. You & guys like Mr male version of PMS Arika have every right to vent your venom on guys like King & Ownership. Leave the GM out of it & quit nitpicking every little thing.

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#40 SeanCharles
August 06 2013, 07:32PM
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Years from now we will see more clearly how much Feaster improved this organization.

He inherited a sinking ship and did a good job of repairing it.

I only hope an article like this will enlighten some because I've grown tired of all the Feaster hate.

He is a smart GM and I truly believe he is one of the best in the league.

TB was a learning experience and he has greatly improved his managing since taking the helm here.

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#41 Arik
August 06 2013, 10:21AM
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Exactly. I'm not saying Jankowski will never amount to anything (which people seem to think I am because people love putting words in my mouth), just that the outlook is grim. I'm a realist, not a "JAY FEASTER POOPS UNICORNS AND RAINBOWS" kinda guy.

What people seem to forget is that I was actually somewhat pro-Feaster when he was first hired. I didn't like the hiring process, but I didn't mind Feaster himself. Obviously, I've become very disenfranchised.

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#42 Clay
August 06 2013, 11:08AM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

So his drafting record is the only tangible thing (short of the team's performance) left to judge Feaster's time in Calgary and we all now that there's little here that speaks against Feaster and his management team. He's done a masterful job of turning the prospect base into one of the best in the league.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Yeah, rose coloured glasses much? I can only imagine how many NHL teams would trade farm systems with Calgary right now....

Lol Janikowski will go down as a lesson to all GM's who get the off-the-board itch.

Hampus Lindholm will then reaffirm that sometimes, "off the board" is a phrase reserved for analysts without the jobs in hockey ops they desire. It is a fabrication. Those draft lists are just averages of a survey of scouts, not actual opinion of the hockey analyst. To come up with an average, some teams have a player higher, other's lower. Therefore some guys rise, and some fall. A player may be taken "off the board" by one team, but had that team not taken him, been drafted very soon after anywys. Those scout samples are also severely prone to bias and based on personal relationships.

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#43 RexLibris
August 06 2013, 12:57PM
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Ahem, Acting Chairman of the Jay Feaster Fan Club here...

;-)

Anyway, this is a tough article to manage in one go as there is significant scope when breaking down a manager's record. Unless it's Mike Milbury, that's easy.

I'd argue about projecting Jankowski or Sieloff as high as mentioned (top six center, top four defender) because they are still early in their development and anything can happen.

The earlier comment about the prospect pool improving as a result of simply more draft picks coming in due to trading veterans is fair as well, although Feaster has also sent a few out the door at the same time. One could argue that Weisbrod has improved their draft record, but at the same time the scouting was so poor under the Sutter regime that nearly any movement would have been seen as improvement. And given that there hasn't been much organizational change aside from Weisbrod in that department one should be cautious about the future.

Feaster's record at the draft going back to his days as Lightning GM is beyond atrocious. No team in the NHL has ever struck out at the draft podium as often as Tampa Bay, and over their history the Lightning have been the worst-drafting team in the history of the NHL Entry Draft. Feaster oversaw a reasonable slice of this history as AGM and GM.

There are some good young prospects in the Flames organization, but when viewed in relation to the rest of the league, they have raised their stock to the middle of the pack. When the Flames begin to graduate however many of these players to the NHL will they have the scouting ability and developmental infrastructure to continue finding and feeding talent into the franchise? There is little in the team's history with their current Hockey Ops personnel to suggest so.

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#44 McRib
August 06 2013, 01:01PM
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Only Buffalo's 2013 NHL Draft Performance was recently ranked higher then the Flames by Red Line Report. Because Quote "Calgary may have just drafted their first line (Monahan, Poirier, Klimchuk), plus throw in the Offensive Defensive project Eric Roy and the toughest player in the draft (Kanzig)".

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#45 Captain Ron
August 06 2013, 03:41PM
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Yes, because everyone on the internet absolutely pays attention to one individual in the midst of everything else going on in life. Forgive us, Arik, for our blunder forgetting where your opinion stood on a topic long ago.

My thoughts exactly. Thanks for bringing that up for the sake of the rest of us who read and comment here.

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#46 The Last Big Bear
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1) The only good thing you can say about the Iginla trade is that Feaster's hands were tied. That may or may not have been his own fault, which is why I give him the benefit of the doubt. But Iginla scored 12 points in 15 playoff games. That's worth a lot more than a very very late 1st rounder, and a middling prospect (I wont even include Hanowski, who's all but proven that he will never be an NHLer).

2) Berra will *probably* be worth absolutely nothing to any NHL team. Cundari is an injury replacement on a basement-dwelling team, and simply not big enough to play his game at an NHL level. Which leaves Poirer. Odds on Poirer being an All-Star, regular Canadian Olympic invite, and leading the NHL in any major statistical category (ala Bouwmeester)?

3) I absolutely would have preferred Girgensons. I was very vocal about my hopes that the Flames would choose him, well before the draft. I never dreamed Tervainen would still be available, but OBVIOUSLY would have been very happy to see him selected. I'm not sure how that makes me a pants-wetter.

Conclusion- my underwear has PENGUINS IN CHRISTMAS OUTFITS on it. Your argument is invalid.

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#47 McRib
August 06 2013, 12:41PM
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@Arik

"Teravainen has looked utterly excellent in WJC camps recently and scored 31 pts in 44 games in the SM-liiga."

Teravainen had four points against a Team USA Blue Split Squad?!?! How is that utter excellence?!?!?! Half of that team USA Blue sqaud was cut yesterday!!! USA also had Collin Olson in for 3 of the 4 goals... He is a sive that had a 3.09 GAA last year and was pulled from more games than he won. Lets see how Teravainen looks against USAs full squad in December or for that matter Canada's squad.

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#48 T&A4Flames
August 06 2013, 03:10PM
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Kurt wrote:

Defending Feaster is a joke. The guy should be fired yesterday not defended. You can't start to point out some marginal trades he made or semi successful things and ignore the complete mess we are in now thanks in large part to his ego and inability to see a train coming head on for the past 3 years.

I don't think GMs should be blamed or given too much credit for drafting. A good GM will have a good staff, and trust his staff and drafting really is a group task. Feaster could be blamed (or praised) for the scouting team, and his supporting staff, but pointing out particular players who have or haven't succeeded is IMO unfair.

On the other hand, I think a GM should be highly judged for the direction of the team and the structural issues. I think that Feaster has made so many unforgivable errors in judgement that I honestly can't fathom why he has a job never mind ANY supporters. To name a few...

The ROR saga would result in a pink slip in any normal real world scenario. I don't care whose fault it was, or if they had a different interpretation or whatever. End of the day, Feaster is the boss, and that could have resulting in a DISASTER of epic proportions. I can't believe he still has a job after that.... Then there is the whole mouthing off Edmonton about never rebuilding, then toileting our team and then jumping on the canoe we are riding today. He let ego get in the way of proper hockey decisions leading to being a stubborn mule for 2 years and running his assets into the ground trying to avoid rebuilding at all costs. He could have traded Iggy & JBo 2 years ago (or at least 1) and got exponentially more. He could have traded Kipper. But no, he didn't want to be like Edmonton. Well, how'd that work..... As of today, I wish we were Edmonton. Its great to look back and laugh and point and whatever. But end of the day WE BOTH missed the playoffs for the last 4 years. The only difference is that we have nothing to show for it! We are screwed at ground zero of a rebuild and they are on their way up.... We should be too if Feaster wasn't so cocky, arrogant and stubborn.

The rebuild could be 3 years ahead of where it is today. His ego and inability to see the train wreck coming down the tracks led to ALL OF US living through 5-6 years of hell. And thats being generous. I'd say the last 3 years have been pretty crappy, and we got AT LEAST 3 years of pain ahead of us... As the GM, Feaster should have seen this coming. We COULD have done a mini re-tool on the fly. Instead we are in Edmonton's shoes, 3-4 years behind them with no #1 picks to pad the cupboards. Good thing we have so much cap space! Atta boy Feaster.

Lastly, I think he constantly embarrasses the team with his arrogance. Proclaiming Jankowski is the best player in last years draft on live TV was the peak for me, but I honestly cringe every time I see him on TV. Only Mike Gillis is more of a cocky bumbling fool, and even then Feaster comes across as good competition.

You should just cheer for the Oilers and be done with it.

Your beloved Oilers organization have made their share of blunders as well, you know.

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#49 Sapp Macintosh
August 06 2013, 03:53PM
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I think this is an admirable job of defending Feaster. I think it falls short though for a number of reasons:

1. the trades listed are either inconsequential OR 'cannot be evaluated at this time.' 2. There is more to a trade than the player going and the player coming back. Timing is a relevant factor. 3. ROR 4. Jankowski - sorry but 'could be a top 6 guy' and comparing him to the guy picked in the Flames' draft spot are two fictions. He SHOULD be compared to all available picks at the time. Moreover, we Janko cold potentially still be a top 6F only because he is currently so far out he's just a long shot either which way. It's like saying 'he's 10 stories high if he's a foot!!' 5. What was the purpose of trading Bouwmeester? Why did that need to happen? He was a useful piece on a team that is currently mostly devoid of useful pieces. 6. ARRRGGGHHHHH 7. Overall, I think you've laid out some important points but I'm not convinced.

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#50 chillout
August 06 2013, 07:55PM
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@Kurt

you really make me laugh. Pretty sure ownership has a say in what happens and what direction the team is heading and pretty sure if feaster went to edwards saying I'm trading iggy and kipper we would have another gm right now. So maybe you should go be an oilers fan since you love them so much.

I also think most people misunderstood the janko comment. He said that because he felt that he was going to be the best player in 10 years. That's the reason they selected him. Those are probably the exact words the scouting staff used in their meetings. He wasn't saying the player he took was the best because he took him, he was saying they took the player they thought was going to be the best. Which is pretty much how most teams draft. He probably just should have phrased it differently.

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