FGD: A Pre-Season Tilt With the Rangers

Ryan Pike
September 23 2013 10:03AM

(you can thank ESPN for the pic)

 

We're eight days prior to the start of the NHL's regular season and inching closer and closer to final cuts. With 38 guys left in camp, there are still roster decisions to be made at more or less every position.

The Flames face the New York Rangers tonight at the Saddledome in their sixth of seven pre-season outings. The Rangers are almost on the opposite trajectory as the Flames – they're coming off a playoff year, they're poised for a strong season, and they're playing the third of six pre-season games.

THE LINE-UP

Calgary is enjoying a fairly productive pre-season, having posted a 3-2-0 record over their first five games. Now that things are getting serious in terms of roster decisions, they're putting together a line-up that is getting closer to being their opening day roster.

Glencross – Stajan – Stempniak
Galiardi – Monahan – Reinhart
Ferland – Backlund – Knight
Bouma – Horak – McGrattan
 
Russell – Wideman
Giordano – Brodie
Smith – O'Brien
 
Ramo
MacDonald

In terms of guys battling to stay on the big team, it's notable that Ferland, Knight and Reinhart are dressing, as they're probably on the outside looking in for final roster spots. With Reto Berra playing on Wednesday, we see Ramo tonight, as well as a defensive group devoid of young'uns. I'd expect we'll see two or three of Ramage, Sieloff and Wotherspoon on Wednesday, as well as perhaps Baertschi, David Jones and Jackman. Hudler and Cammalleri are nursing injuries, but should be ready for opening day.
 
In terms of battles, pay particular attention to how Derek Smith fares, as he may be competing with Chris Butler and the afroementioned kid trio, as well as the guys in the bottom two lines. Oh, and the guy in goal. But he should be noticeable either way.

The Flames complete their pre-season schedule on Wednesday at home against the Phoenix Coyotes.

THE OPPOSITION

The Rangers have 39 bodies in camp – they're without Derek Stepan, who is still embroiled in a contract dispute with the cap strapped Rags – and have been holding camp in Banff since last week. They lost to the Devils last Monday and beat the Flyers on Tuesday in their first two pre-season games.
 
Here are the Blueshirts line combos via Pat Steinberg:
 
Rick Nash - Brad Richards - Chris Kreider
Marek Hrivik - Brian Boyle - Danny Kristo
Taylor Pyatt - Oscar Lindberg - Jesper Fast
Brandon Mashinter - Darroll Powe - Arron Asham

Marc Staal - Michael Del Zotto
John Moore - Anton Stralman
Justin Falk - Stu Bickel

Martin Biron
Cam Talbot
 
The Rangers are beginning a span of four games in five days, including meetings with the Oilers, Canucks and Kings. So expect them to rotate through basically all of their available bodies in short order. Tonight they are boasting a fairly veteran laden roster, including Richards, Nash, Boyle, Del Zotto, Stralman and Staal. Going to be a stiff test for the Flames kids.

SUM IT UP

Five pre-season games down, two to go for the Flames. With 15 cuts left to make for the hometown team, tonight's game should prove very interesting, perhaps winning somebody a job – or banishing them to the minors.
 
Sometimes pre-season games are low-stakes. For some of the guys involved wearing red tonight, the stakes may never be higher this season.

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#1 schevvy
September 23 2013, 11:01AM
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According to Millions, Cammalleri may be out for an extended period of time because of his hand injury. That's not good, but it may allow Ferland or Reinhart to stick around for a bit

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#2 RexLibris
September 23 2013, 11:08AM
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Re: Cammalleri - That should also give them some much-needed cap space...

I kid.

Also, the Oilers claimed MacIntyre off waivers. Again.

The circus continues.

I suspect it is primarily for the pre-season, with the Toront-Buffalo brouhaha still fresh in everyone's minds, but this is not an area of dire need.

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September 23 2013, 11:08AM
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The "Tank for Whoever" run is off to a roaring start.

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#4 schevvy
September 23 2013, 11:17AM
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You're hoping MacIntyre is just for preseason Rex but the fact is he's totally going to be up there all season because he can punch faces

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#5 Kent Wilson
September 23 2013, 11:18AM
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Agreed. He'll play half the games is my bet.

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#6 schevvy
September 23 2013, 11:19AM
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Now next Hudler's going to be out for an extended period of time right?

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#7 Kent Wilson
September 23 2013, 11:26AM
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And then Glencross. And then Giordano...

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#8 T&A4Flames
September 23 2013, 11:36AM
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Ahhhhhhhh, my eyes, MY EYES.....

Please don't post pics of nude dudes in your blogs....PLEASE!

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#9 FireOnIce
September 23 2013, 11:42AM
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Cammy had better get healing. The Flames are going to need him at the deadline to pick up another 1st or some 2nds.

Saw on Twitter that Flames MGMT is unimpressed with Joey MacDonald. Leaning towards Ramo/Berra. This was in the same time as saying that if they chose today, Monahan would stay on the team.

One can only hope Monahan plays like crap in his first couple games so they have to send him down.

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#10 Bigfatflamesfan
September 23 2013, 11:54AM
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Hartley expects both Cammy and Hudler back for opening night in Washington. No big deal.

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#11 Scott
September 23 2013, 11:55AM
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Flames just tweeted that they still expect Cammy to be ready for Oct. 3 vs. Washington. Unless they are keeping the injury secret, Millions must be smoking something good.

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#12 mattyc
September 23 2013, 12:03PM
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#13 DRUDS
September 23 2013, 01:08PM
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Glencross – Stajan – Stempniak Galiardi – Monahan – Reinhart Ferland – Backlund – Knight Bouma – Horak – McGrattan Russell – Wideman Giordano – Brodie Smith – O'Brien Ramo MacDonald

Hey I guess the apocalypse is nigh! a number one line consisting of stajan,stepniak and glencross...OH god! why dont you guys just stay home and get ready for the draft next year...save everybody the misery.

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#14 RexLibris
September 23 2013, 01:13PM
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Agreed. He'll play half the games is my bet.

But which half? ;)

Suggestion from media is that the John Scott fiasco was the reason for the move.

He's apparently down to about 245 lbs, and his skating hasn't improved.

What worries me more about this move is that there is talk that the Oilers will keep Eager over someone like Omark.

Eager does not provide any of the above: secondary (or even tertiary) scoring, toughness, physical disincentive to opponents, or the ability to play intelligently without the puck.

Omark can play a possession style game, cycles the puck effectively in the corners, can draw a penalty on the occasion that referees see past their own bias, and is a useful powerplay tool on a team that is going to be leaning heavily on Taylor Hall as a 1st line center and penalty kill option for the beginning of the season.

Nope, definitely have to give the nod to Eager there. *grumbles something about gritchart*

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#15 Kent Wilson
September 23 2013, 01:15PM
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I'd say Brown is the bigger worry. He's an even worse player than Eager.

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Re; Cammalleri's hand

That's what I was thinking. The last thing the Flames need is a shooter with a bad hand at the trade deadline. The asking price immediately drops.

Suspect they are simply resting him because, frankly, everyone knows what Cammalleri can do. He has nothing left to prove in these final few games.

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I'd say Brown is the bigger worry. He's an even worse player than Eager.

Funny, because I've actually preferred Brown's game thus far. He's aggressive on the forecheck, drawing a penalty or two, and has actually created scoring chances...for his own team!

Eager seems to get the puck and then completely forget what to do with it. The plays die on his stick and the timing of his hitting has looked off.

Brown doesn't belong any higher than the 4th line, but Eager seems to tempt coaches with the promise of effective 3rd line speed, size and skill every year. And every year he falls short.

His career was hanging by a shoestring when he came to the Oilers and then the Tulupov hit sent him careening into nowhere. Here we are, three years after signing on as a free-agent, and he's a debatable AHL demotion. I feel for him, but the team needs to do far better on the LW.

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September 23 2013, 01:25PM
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You're hoping MacIntyre is just for preseason Rex but the fact is he's totally going to be up there all season because he can punch faces

I'm wondering if he isn't a pickup until the Oilers see which way the Supplementary Discipline winds are blowing this season.

If it looks like the league is going to enforce their rules, he'll be dropped by the end of November at the latest because suspensions may start to have an effect.

If not, then he'll probably be around until the end of the season.

That being said, I wonder what McGrattan feels about MacIntyre's being brought on? The Ivanans fight is still fresh in many people's memory and I would hope, for everyone's sake, that neither team decides on a re-bout.

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Cammy had better get healing. The Flames are going to need him at the deadline to pick up another 1st or some 2nds.

Saw on Twitter that Flames MGMT is unimpressed with Joey MacDonald. Leaning towards Ramo/Berra. This was in the same time as saying that if they chose today, Monahan would stay on the team.

One can only hope Monahan plays like crap in his first couple games so they have to send him down.

Maybe it's unrealistic, but I hope Monahan plays amazing and improves in leaps and bounds every game.

Despite all of the debate between giving the kid shot in the NHL or being sent back down for a year, I don't think anyone really wants to see Monahan turn out to be a bad player.

I'm not sure about the statistics, exactly, but I would imagine that the players who come into the NHL and play really well tend to turn out better than the players who come into the NHL and fall flat on their faces.

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September 23 2013, 01:32PM
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Nathan MacKinnon & Jonathin Drouin combined are pointless in three preseason games, yet no one else is saying send them back down. But everyone is begging for Sean Monahan to go down after he nets two goals?!?!?! Huh. Who's more ready?

Nathan Mackinnon had (1.70 PPG for 75 Total) last season on the deepest club in the CHL. Sean Monahan had (1.35 PPG for 78 Total) on the second worst club in the CHL (No one was worse than Cape Breton).... Monahan has much better size (3+ inches and 10+ pounds on Mackinnon) and from my viewings has shown a better Hockey IQ... Who's more ready again?

I think if anything Nathan MacKinnon needs another year in Junior, but because he dominated the CHL the Hockey World has written his name in pen for this NHL season. That's where in lies the biggest rub. Its not necessarily rushing guys like Sean Monhan who have the Size/Hockey IQ and have shown in preseason that they can play. The biggest issue is rushing guys like Nathan MacKinnon or Ryan Nugent-Hopkins who are "too good for Junior". Sean Monahan would have lit it up last year with even some adequate help on the 67s, but because he didn't he needs to go back to Junior to do so? Just don't understand what he is left to do in OHL?

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#22 McRib
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I'm so damn glad the Ottawa 67s sucked so much last year!! We never would have gotten Sean Monahan at six!!

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#23 EugeneV
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McRib wrote:

Nathan MacKinnon & Jonathin Drouin combined are pointless in three preseason games, yet no one else is saying send them back down. But everyone is begging for Sean Monahan to go down after he nets two goals?!?!?! Huh. Who's more ready?

Nathan Mackinnon had (1.70 PPG for 75 Total) last season on the deepest club in the CHL. Sean Monahan had (1.35 PPG for 78 Total) on the second worst club in the CHL (No one was worse than Cape Breton).... Monahan has much better size (3+ inches and 10+ pounds on Mackinnon) and from my viewings has shown a better Hockey IQ... Who's more ready again?

I think if anything Nathan MacKinnon needs another year in Junior, but because he dominated the CHL the Hockey World has written his name in pen for this NHL season. That's where in lies the biggest rub. Its not necessarily rushing guys like Sean Monhan who have the Size/Hockey IQ and have shown in preseason that they can play. The biggest issue is rushing guys like Nathan MacKinnon or Ryan Nugent-Hopkins who are "too good for Junior". Sean Monahan would have lit it up last year with even some adequate help on the 67s, but because he didn't he needs to go back to Junior to do so? Just don't understand what he is left to do in OHL?

Fine, just please, please, please let Monahan, McKinnon, Drouin etc... play in the WJHC.

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#24 RexLibris
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Brad Richards + ESPN = NSFW

Could've been worse.

Two words: Mike. Ricci.

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#25 Clay
September 23 2013, 03:20PM
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RexLibris wrote:

Could've been worse.

Two words: Mike. Ricci.

Phil Kessel

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#26 Clyde
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RexLibris wrote:

I'm wondering if he isn't a pickup until the Oilers see which way the Supplementary Discipline winds are blowing this season.

If it looks like the league is going to enforce their rules, he'll be dropped by the end of November at the latest because suspensions may start to have an effect.

If not, then he'll probably be around until the end of the season.

That being said, I wonder what McGrattan feels about MacIntyre's being brought on? The Ivanans fight is still fresh in many people's memory and I would hope, for everyone's sake, that neither team decides on a re-bout.

I'm sure he understands as there are a lot of tough guys to deal with He was brought in to the Flames the first time in part to counter macyntire a few years ago and if you google their fight you will see he did very well. In fact macyntire didn't play another shift that game while mcgratten kept trying to get stortini to go the rest of the night.

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#27 Parallex
September 23 2013, 03:43PM
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"Nathan MacKinnon & Jonathin Drouin combined are pointless in three preseason games, yet no one else is saying send them back down."

I'd say it if I gave a rat's behind about the Aves or the Lightning. But I don't so...

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#28 the forgotten man
September 23 2013, 03:48PM
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McRib wrote:

Nathan MacKinnon & Jonathin Drouin combined are pointless in three preseason games, yet no one else is saying send them back down. But everyone is begging for Sean Monahan to go down after he nets two goals?!?!?! Huh. Who's more ready?

Nathan Mackinnon had (1.70 PPG for 75 Total) last season on the deepest club in the CHL. Sean Monahan had (1.35 PPG for 78 Total) on the second worst club in the CHL (No one was worse than Cape Breton).... Monahan has much better size (3+ inches and 10+ pounds on Mackinnon) and from my viewings has shown a better Hockey IQ... Who's more ready again?

I think if anything Nathan MacKinnon needs another year in Junior, but because he dominated the CHL the Hockey World has written his name in pen for this NHL season. That's where in lies the biggest rub. Its not necessarily rushing guys like Sean Monhan who have the Size/Hockey IQ and have shown in preseason that they can play. The biggest issue is rushing guys like Nathan MacKinnon or Ryan Nugent-Hopkins who are "too good for Junior". Sean Monahan would have lit it up last year with even some adequate help on the 67s, but because he didn't he needs to go back to Junior to do so? Just don't understand what he is left to do in OHL?

What's your point though? Nischuskin has 2 goals and team leading 13 SOG in the preseason for Dallas Stars - do you really think Jim Nill is going to decide his fate this year based on how Mackinnon or Drouin are doing? I couldn't care less what Drouin or MacKinnon do or have done - they don't play for the Flames. All I care about is this Franchise legitimately (not circa 2004 lightning in a bottle) challenging for the Stanley Cup, if there is a God, in the next 5-10 years. If the Flames want Monahan to stay with them, then clear out veteran body space in the top 2 lines and have at it. If not, then send him back to Junior. Just please God, not this straddling the fence stuff that this Franchise has perfected for the last 25 years - have a strict plan and go with it. Put it this way, if as you argue, he is truly NHL ready, then he better be 100% ready. If not, send him back for one more year + World Juniors...he will be one more year older, more mature and hungrier to destroy next season. This Franchise is going nowhere for another 3-4 seasons anyways assuming everything swings our way.

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#29 iSteve
September 23 2013, 04:54PM
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Heard Pittsburgh is looking to trade for a backup goalie while vokun is out... What about Joey for a 2nd? Give Berra and Ramo a full season shot...

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Heard Pittsburgh is looking to trade for a backup goalie while vokun is out... What about Joey for a 2nd? Give Berra and Ramo a full season shot...

... Your not serious right?

No one in their right mind will give up a 2nd for Joey MacDonald. The best you'll get for him would likely be future considerations. Pretty sure the Pens have a guys that their assigning to the AHL and if you have that then you in all likelihood have the equivalency to Joey MacDonald.

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September 23 2013, 06:01PM
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I was wondering about peoples' thoughts are on the Kessle/Scott event. I just watched a short video on it; my take is simply this Kessle pushes Scott, Scott responds with punches Kessle responds with a stick not once but twice the second time with Scott engaged with two other Leafs. Kessle is simply a coward and should get a serious suspension. It's not like Kessle is 5'8 and 160 lbs. I am sure I will get trashed for this opinion but this is what turns me off of the game.

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#32 Mangotanker
September 23 2013, 06:04PM
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iSteve wrote:

Heard Pittsburgh is looking to trade for a backup goalie while vokun is out... What about Joey for a 2nd? Give Berra and Ramo a full season shot...

This was a joke right? A career backup goaltender with a .903 sv % in his career is somehow worth a second round pick? Not to mention the fact that the guy is 33 years old who the Flames got off of waivers from DET.

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I was wondering about peoples' thoughts are on the Kessle/Scott event. I just watched a short video on it; my take is simply this Kessle pushes Scott, Scott responds with punches Kessle responds with a stick not once but twice the second time with Scott engaged with two other Leafs. Kessle is simply a coward and should get a serious suspension. It's not like Kessle is 5'8 and 160 lbs. I am sure I will get trashed for this opinion but this is what turns me off of the game.

What bothers me is that Scott was about to beat the crap out of Kessel, Kessel takes a couple of swings and could now be suspended. Why does this bother me? Well, I took Kessel in my pool. Yay?

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I was wondering about peoples' thoughts are on the Kessle/Scott event. I just watched a short video on it; my take is simply this Kessle pushes Scott, Scott responds with punches Kessle responds with a stick not once but twice the second time with Scott engaged with two other Leafs. Kessle is simply a coward and should get a serious suspension. It's not like Kessle is 5'8 and 160 lbs. I am sure I will get trashed for this opinion but this is what turns me off of the game.

Shouldn't turn you off the game. Should turn you off Fill Kessell though.

If you open your mouth, and raise your hand like he did, then you better be ready to go. That was even more embarassing for him than the All Star game draft.

And to go back to slashing the dude while he is in a pile up?

What a F-ing PUSSY.

they must have removed his balls when he got cancer in them. (sorry to anyone offended, but it has to be said)

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I agree. The whole situation was ridiculous really. Why does Carlyle put Kessel out there with Scott right after what just happened? Scott obviously was just trying to get a rise out of the Leafs (as punky and moronic as that is). There's a whole lot of blame to go around on this one.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kessel gets a slap on the wrist, but if I were the one making the call he'd be getting a punitive number of games. No matter who you are, if you use your stick as a weapon (even in self defense), you deserve to punished for it - not to mention the reasonable argument from Kessel is the first slash was self defense, not the second, not the spear. If the league is really serious about player safety, you'd think the last message they want to send is "when you feel scared, sure, use your stick as a weapon". It doesn't matter about Scott's size, it doesn't matter that he's "just a goon" (which he is, in addition to a moron), it doesn't matter that Phil Kessel is a skilled scorer. Period.

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#36 EugeneV
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Reading about the Leafs cap situation, do you want the Flames to go and sign Cody Franson to an offer sheet?

average annual value of

1,110,250 to $1,682,194 = Loss of 3rd rounder $1,682,195 to $3,364,391 = Loss of 2nd rounder

His salary last year was $1,200,000.

What to do?

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September 23 2013, 06:39PM
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everyone that says, "if you don't like fighting, get a different sport, leave my hockey alone" should be proud of this moment... fights, leaving the bench, goalies going, goons looking to pummel stars.. swinging sticks hard enough to break legs, it's all part of the game... don't change it, get another beer and enjoy!

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#38 aloudoun
September 23 2013, 07:01PM
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Minor question... whats the goal song candidate tonight?

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#39 aloudoun
September 23 2013, 07:05PM
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Henrik is in net? I thought Biron was supposed to start?

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#40 Kent Wilson
September 23 2013, 07:08PM
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Well I finally get to see how some of these guys look this year.

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#41 Kent Wilson
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Nice shift for Backlund.

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#42 Kent Wilson
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Not sure. Hopefully we find out.

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#43 aloudoun
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Monahan looking good early.

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#44 aloudoun
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Nice goal from an even better pass. I already dislike this goal song... dear lord

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#45 Kent Wilson
September 23 2013, 07:18PM
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Good play by Stajan to make the Glencross goal happen.

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#46 Kent Wilson
September 23 2013, 07:23PM
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Brodie and Gio are seeing a lot of the tough minutes already. They might be a duo to start the season.

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#47 Kent Wilson
September 23 2013, 07:28PM
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The Rangers don't look all that good to start this one.

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#48 exsanguinator
September 23 2013, 07:29PM
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Good play by Stajan to make the Glencross goal happen.

I think Stajan is going to do pretty well this season without all of the 'star' players getting the prime minutes.

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#49 Kent Wilson
September 23 2013, 07:34PM
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Yeah. A 50-55 point season is definitely possible.

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