Flames Cut 4 more including Corban Knight

Kent Wilson
September 26 2013 01:05PM

 

 

The Flames thinned the herd a bit more today, assigning Corban Knight, Michael Ferland and Max Reinhart to the Abbotsford Heat, as well as Keegan Kanzig to Victoria in the WHL. The interesting name there is Corban Knight, who was tabbed to make the Flames out of college when he was acquired this summer. After watching him for a few games, I agree with the coaching staff that he has some strides to take before he's a legit NHLer. Ferland going down might disappoint some, but just sticking around camp this long is a huge step forward for the big winger. If he can continue his strong play for Abby, Ferland will be an injury call-up sooner rather than later.

That leaves potential bubble guys Derek Smith, Roman Horak, Sven Baertshi, Ben Street, Pat Sieloff, Sean Monahan, Lance Bouma and Reto Berra on the parent roster. With most a lot of incumbents already established, the Flames only have a couple of spaces up front and maybe one on the back-end up for grabs, though injuries to Mike Cammalleri and Jiri Hudler may mean added opportunity at first.

So who makes the cut? Before we proceed, it should be noted that the pre-season is a fairly poor indicator for how things will turn out during the regular season. As evidenced by Tj Brodie a few years ago, a youngster can blow the doors off in the exhibition games only to find himself over his head when the real stuff begins and demoted a week or two later. A kid can have a bad camp as well, but take over during the season in the minors and push his way up the depth chart. So even if player X or Y is or isn't on the roster to start the year, that hardly determines their entire season.

The Candidates

- Sven Baertschi will make the team for sure if Hudler and Cammalleri can't go to start they year, but he's in some trouble of being shuttled to the Abbotsford if they're healthy. Sven had a so-so camp, with swings between skillful flourishes and facepalm worthy gaffes. He's a very real offensive talent, but his game is still rough around the edges.

A lot of Flames fans expect Baertschi to take the big step this year, but more than a few current NHL stars weren't NHL regulars at 21 years old, so it won't be the end of the world if he gets more polish at the AHL level at some point.

- Reto Berra fought the puck at times last night and probably needs more seasoning on North American ice. I fully expect him to be sent to the AHL so he can play a lot and get his bearings. As a result, Joey MacDonald will no doubt back-up Karri ramo to being.

- Sean Monahan has had a strong camp given his age and is a lock to get a 9-game try-out with the big club. What happens from there will depend entirely on how he performs during that period. Personally I wouldn't keep Monahan around short of him leading the team in either scoring or possession due to long-term cap implications, but I suspect the bar might be lower for the Flames management, who will need to something to sell to the fanbase this year. 

- Pat Sieloff is injured after fighting in the pre-season, so I haven't seen him play against NHL bodies. At just 19, he's probably not a true candidate for the big club and I assume the Flames are keeping him around the heal up and get a taste of everyday NHL pro life before sending him to Abby, where he'll have to battle to establish himself.

- Roman Horak has been a 'tweener for two seasons now and is one of the senior bubble kids. He's the type of guy who can play both center and wing, so I assume for those reasons he may have the inside track to start the year. That said, he's also a guy who has a lot to prove after two seasons in the organization and will need to do more than simply run in place to stick around long term.

- Lance Bouma was set to become a regular of the 4th line last season before a knee injury wiped it out for him. He's not going to dangle or score, but his potential ceiling is that of Brandon Prust - a high-energy agitator who can check good players, PK and drop the gloves on occasion.

Depending on what the team does with Horak and Baertschi this weekend, Bouma may spend the whole season with the big club. If not, he'll be one of the first call-ups.

- Ben Street was one of the Heat's leading scorers last year and has put up good offensive numbers in the AHL the last two seasons. He's a utility forward at the NHL level and probably has a lower ceiling than many of the other guys vying for spots in various places, but he's more useful and polished currently. Street can play wing or center and has enough skill and grit to advance the play relatively well in the bottom-6 rotation.

Street will be in tough to make the team right now since I expect the club to prioritize younger, organizational guys, but  he might stick for a longer period if injuries become an issue.

- Derek Smith is a career journeyman at the end of the blueline rotation who could eventually be bumped if his play falls off or if one of the hopefuls impresses. For now, I expect him to make the cut as a 6th/7th guy.

Who cast your votes...who makes the cut?

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#1 icedawg_42
September 26 2013, 01:18PM
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Great summary - thanks Kent.

Im so surprised that at this point we're looking at Sven as a 'bubble guy' and Monahan as a lock. I wouldn't have guessed at this ever. Keep seeing flashes of brilliance from him (Sven), so hopefully as you infer there's still potential to be a star in the making.

In your opinion, has Horak ever been given a real chance to be more than what he's shown? I consider his style of play to be somewhat more of a skill game, but he's always stuck playing fourth line minutes with the likes of Jackman and (insert AHL callup here)

If Bouma has and ever reaches the ceiling of being a Prust-y type guy, I will be ECSTATIC

I don't know who makes the cut, but I'd really like to see Sven and Horak given plenty of chances with good linemates to work out their games and contribute. As far as Monahan goes - IMO the clock is ticking - I believe that every one of the next 9 games he needs to prove he deserves to play the next one. I'll reserve my final judgement until that's done. As for Smith ..yeah, meh.

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#2 hamburgler
September 26 2013, 01:18PM
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I include Butler in the bubble players. Although he probably makes the team, and then gets traded for late pick after teams figure out rosters a little better.

- I think of the bubble players you listed Bouma, Baertschi and Monahan make the team, rest our sent down.

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#3 McRib
September 26 2013, 01:28PM
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Lance Bouma is an absolute lock, as he has been the best non starter from last year all preseason and Sven Baertschi is a lock. Sean Monahan gets nine games.

If Baertschi wasn't a lock I think the team would have given him a lot more opportunity the last couple of games. Last night he didn't even get a sniff of PP time. The kid had eight points in his final seven games last year, why are we even questioning it....

I would actually prefer Reto Berra over Joey MacDonald as backup, as JMac just doesn't install confidence in me whatsoever.

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#4 kittensandcookies
September 26 2013, 01:54PM
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I hope Bouma becomes a Prust type player. I was not pleased when Prust left.

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#5 FireOnIce
September 26 2013, 01:56PM
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I don't think MacBackup instills confidence in anyone. Came to camp out of shape and hasn't played that well. For some reason though, the Flames seem convinced he is going to be claimed on waivers if they send him down (and they're worried about it for some reason). Berra can go down and up without passing through waivers, IIRC.

In regards to Monahan: is there any way the 67's can nullify his contract, therefore allowing him to sign a two-way deal with the Flames? This would seemingly permit Monahan to play in Abby as opposed to in the OHL. Don't know why a team would do this without compensation though, and I don't know how legal it is for NHL teams to tamper in the CHL/OHL/etc.

Abbottsford will be a deadly team if they end up having Reinhart, Knight, Baertschi, Billins, et al. on the team. No need to rush these guys at this point, just let them tear it up in the AHL, and let the Flames suck it up in the NHL.

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#6 Michael
September 26 2013, 01:59PM
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Here's how I see the roster shaking out. A little bit of opinion and a little bit of guessing what the coaches will do, and not counting injuries.

Glencross - Stajan - Stempniak Backlund - Monahan - Cammalleri Baertschi - Galiardi - D.Jones Hulder - Bouma - Jackman Street

Cuts: B.Jones, Horak, McGratton (Waivers). I think Bouma definitely earned a spot, and I think the coaches like Street enough to keep him around for a bit. It's hard to leave Horak off as I know Hartley loves him, but there's no way Street last more then a month, so within good time Horak is in the show. In my eyes there will be a spot for either Jackman or McGratton, and Jackman wins it. (I'm not sure how many roster spots they are allowed? if there is one extra spot McGratton sits in the press box).

Giordano - Wideman Russell - Brodie Smith - O'Brien Butler

Haven't watched enough to make a judgement call on the lower pairings, but I'm pretty sure Breen, and Sieloff are sent down once injuries heal.

Ramo MacDonald

Pretty easy with the goalies.

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#7 Kipper2004
September 26 2013, 02:01PM
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McRib wrote:

Lance Bouma is an absolute lock, as he has been the best non starter from last year all preseason and Sven Baertschi is a lock. Sean Monahan gets nine games.

If Baertschi wasn't a lock I think the team would have given him a lot more opportunity the last couple of games. Last night he didn't even get a sniff of PP time. The kid had eight points in his final seven games last year, why are we even questioning it....

I would actually prefer Reto Berra over Joey MacDonald as backup, as JMac just doesn't install confidence in me whatsoever.

Actually Sven got 1:00 min of power play time last night, just saying. Sven has not impressed in this years exhibition games as compared to the past, he just doesn't look as Svensational on the ice for some reason, hopefully he doesn't digress this year.

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#8 TRAV
September 26 2013, 02:02PM
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I thought that Blair Jones was still around... If so is he not a bubble guy?

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#9 Michael
September 26 2013, 02:02PM
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Sorry about the formatting on the lines, I thought I had sorted it out.

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#10 FireOnIce
September 26 2013, 02:05PM
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Hartley doesn't like B Jones. They sent him down and were calling up other players over him. I'm about 95% sure he'll play in Abby.

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#11 Jeff Lebowski
September 26 2013, 02:11PM
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Wow. Corban Knight is an NHL centre. Kent you are very correct about preseason games and the Brodie scenario. I'm not even going to try to predict anymore. Maybe.

The roster decisions are tough to make and that is a very good thing.

Even removing Monahan from the equation, I could have really enjoyed watching the various young talent play all year but it is probably best to have vets like Stajan, etc take on the big minutes. Just in terms of the long term development of players in their position (why play Knight on the wing if he is a centre?)

Ultimately, I think Calgary is showing the proper discipline.

In the regular season the true quality of competition will shine. Older guys, with perhaps less ability will do more just because of experience, the fact they've had more years build their bodies and withstand the immense physical grind, and you just know what they are.

I can't wait for these kids to really push through. Exciting!

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#12 gotommygo
September 26 2013, 03:12PM
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'In regards to Monahan: is there any way the 67's can nullify his contract, therefore allowing him to sign a two-way deal with the Flames?'

There's no way around this. There are arguably a lot of players in the CHL that are skilled enough to play in the AHL. If all the best players left then the CHL would no longer be a very good development league, which is why the rule exists.

It would be nice, though.

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#13 ChinookArch
September 26 2013, 03:14PM
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It's hard to argue with the analysis here.

I really wonder if the Flames game plan for this season is to crank up the value of the pending UFA's on the team, as well as some of the veterans that are not a fit (AKA Butler and B. Jones) in order to get a better return. I'm expecting Camelleri to get some very easy minutes by the midway point of the season. At the same time, allowing younger players to develop with lots of playing time in Abby.

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#14 Scary Gary
September 26 2013, 03:17PM
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Did we bring D. Jones over to help make the cap floor next year or is he actually going to get 30-40 pts?

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#15 RexLibris
September 26 2013, 03:18PM
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With regards to Ottawa negating their contract with Monahan...

There are some interesting developments in that area from last year. Yakupov wanted to go back to the KHL instead of Sarnia during the lockout, but the CHL wouldn't release him as he had an agreement with Sarnia. The Oilers, and by extension the NHL, and KHL were fine with it.

In the end it was deemed that Yakupov had signed the contract without appropriate representation and it was void. Whether this is because he was from outside North America or under-age, it does represent something of a precedent that I believe some other juniors will try to challenge in the future.

I don't know all the technicalities of CHL player contract agreements, however I suspect that there is room for some legal challenges based on the legal representation surrounding minors.

Can't see Monahan breaking out of the CHL this year using a loophole. I think it is either NHL or OHL for him, but I suspect it won't be long before junior age players gain more freedom of movement as professionals.

A CHLPA wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, in my opinion.

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#16 SmellOfVictory
September 26 2013, 03:21PM
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Scary Gary wrote:

Did we bring D. Jones over to help make the cap floor next year or is he actually going to get 30-40 pts?

30 seems reasonable, even though I hate him and he's useless.

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#17 SmellOfVictory
September 26 2013, 03:23PM
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RexLibris wrote:

With regards to Ottawa negating their contract with Monahan...

There are some interesting developments in that area from last year. Yakupov wanted to go back to the KHL instead of Sarnia during the lockout, but the CHL wouldn't release him as he had an agreement with Sarnia. The Oilers, and by extension the NHL, and KHL were fine with it.

In the end it was deemed that Yakupov had signed the contract without appropriate representation and it was void. Whether this is because he was from outside North America or under-age, it does represent something of a precedent that I believe some other juniors will try to challenge in the future.

I don't know all the technicalities of CHL player contract agreements, however I suspect that there is room for some legal challenges based on the legal representation surrounding minors.

Can't see Monahan breaking out of the CHL this year using a loophole. I think it is either NHL or OHL for him, but I suspect it won't be long before junior age players gain more freedom of movement as professionals.

A CHLPA wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, in my opinion.

There is (or was) one, run by George Laraques.

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#18 everton fc
September 26 2013, 03:31PM
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Horak/Bouma/Baertschi. I see Monahan back in juniors. The 9-game tryout might happen, with one of these three getting the call up afterwards. But what does it say, to any of these three, particularly Bouma and Horak, who have earned a shot.

If Baertschi has loafed a bit... He should be humbled in Abby. I'd be okay with this... Then he can earn the call-up at game 10, after Monahan returns to Ottawa.

Or Maybe Horak/Bouma/Street make it, and Baertschi learns life as a professional, in Abby?

Smith seems a lock, to me. And D. Jones is a far better player than many of you on here realize. He's no all-star. But he's no "also-ran". 30 points seems more than reasonable, with the right linemates. And he's apparently a good teammate. Like Stempniak. Good guys in the room.

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#19 beloch
September 26 2013, 03:35PM
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Baertschi had 2 shots on net last night. That's not as good as Monahan, but still better than most other forwards on the team. The Flames are pretty starved for offensive talent this season so I'd be shocked if Sven didn't start the season in Calgary. He does appear to become more noticeable in third periods and final tournament games. I suspect Baertschi will prove to be a clutch player. His performance may improve once the games actually matter.

Reto Berra made me face-palm a few times last night, such as when he left his crease to play the puck and fanned on it, or when he decided to chase an opposing player halfway behind the net and, although he got back in time, wasn't ready for the next shot that whizzed past him. Still, he was solid whenever he was in position and made some good saves. So, is he just adjusting to NA hockey or is he dumb as a post? The jury working his case just called in a pizza order. I'd rather see Ortio and Broissoit rotate into the backup spot in between stints in Abbotsford. MacBackup can sit in the owner's box and give Feaster a reassuring hug whenever what's going on out on the ice gets ugly.

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#20 ChinookArch
September 26 2013, 03:38PM
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For some weird reason Monahan's only options are back to Ottawa or make the NHL. He is considered too young to play in the AHL. I expect the rule was intended to protect under aged players from the pros, as well as CHL teams from being poached of their best talents. Too bad, it would have been an excellent option for Sean Monahan.

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#21 bookofloob
September 26 2013, 04:14PM
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BLAIR MF JONES

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#22 ChinookArch
September 26 2013, 04:23PM
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Changing the subject:

Feaster was just on the Fan960. So, we all know KANZIG is 6'7 and 245 pounds, but according to Jay, he is at 7% body fat. Holy cow!

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#23 beloch
September 26 2013, 04:34PM
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This has been commented on here before. Some have even speculated he needs to beef up his lower body workouts and tone down his upper body workouts in order to shift his center of mass lower and thereby improve his skating.

The more I see of Kanzig the more I like the pick. He's thinks the game well and has an elite gym work-ethic. I'm willing to bet he'll be a lot more mobile by next pre-season. A guy his size with solid positional play and decent mobility could be very useful.

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#24 Kmp
September 26 2013, 05:12PM
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I think Horak and Bouma are both on the team an will make up the 4th line with Jackman. Mcgrattan will be press box, Monahan for 9 games-I figure that's why Galiardi is playing Center. D jones should be bought out or waived, too many young guys deserving his ice time.

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#25 coachedpotatoe
September 26 2013, 05:56PM
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One of the problems the Flames currently have is that they have a number of players who bring roughly the same skill set to the table Jackman, McGrattan, Bouma, and B Jones, The coaching staff probably would prefer the veteran presence but if we are really in a rebuild it is a tough choice, Bouma needs to stay and B Jones as much as he was in the dog house has embraced Hartley's marching orders and may deserve another shot, leaving the vets on the move.

Another issue is that the coaches like Monahan and want to give him the 9 games and he has earned this opportunity. Horak is all well liked and is an NHL player in the right role. We need to figure out what his high end and we can't do so playing 6 minutes a game. Again it means changing traditional thinking and rolling 4 lines.

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#26 MangoTanker
September 26 2013, 06:10PM
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So all those Corban Knight slogans were for nothing????

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#27 stephan
September 26 2013, 06:42PM
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The flames over the last couple years have proven to play better when the kids are in the line up. Example last year when we won games when vying for a top 5 draft pick. So I say let the kids play. Still puts a smile on my face though that the "city of champions" have picked in the top ten 4 years running. Handing out pointless 6 million dollar contracts to oft injury prone unproven players.

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#28 Douglas
September 26 2013, 07:32PM
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I wanna see Monahan dominate the WJHC. Canada needs him

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#29 Baalzamon
September 26 2013, 07:51PM
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I wouldn't say nothing... it got good laughs.

Besides, we haven't seen the last of Corban "#Knightfacts" Knight.

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#30 MC Hockey
September 26 2013, 08:39PM
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I see things very similarly to Kent and also hope Flames trade away say Butler! Smith, BJones, maybe Jackman to give young guys a chance

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#31 coachedpotatoe
September 26 2013, 08:40PM
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Back again. I had to run my daughter out to brownies when I was last writing about or team and never got the really big top of Sven. How should we view this young man, he came up and impressed us as an emergency call up, then he disappointed us last at the start, then he went down and came back an impressed us again and then there was this preseason. So how should we take him? I think we need to see him as a prospect not the whole answer we once thought. He needs to be one of the pieces in this rebuild but he needs to used based upon his skill set. that means he needs to get a chance to play with at least one other significant offensive player. In my ideal world the flames would roll four equal lines this year but it seems clear that Hartley is set on playing Glencross, Stemp and Stajin together. So who to play Sven with to best evaluate whether he can be the player we need him to be. Either he plays with Backs or Monahan as his center. Backs is a vet but may not have enough offensive upside as Monahan but I would worry about two rookies playing together as this could hurt both players development. So Backs would be my default; so who fits as the third member of this line, either TJG or D Jones who offer different skill sets but have experience and have a desire to prove themselves this year. I think I would start with TJG. That leaves us with the following line combinations; Monahan between Cammi and Bouma and Horak with Hudler and Djones.

But like Monahan who has 9 games to prove himself I would give Sven a 10 game window. Withe new depth in this organization I would not wait for ever to use the shuttle and reward players based upon merit.

What I like about this season is the potential of the depth throughout the organization, I see 5-6 dmen who could be clled up during the season and 6 forwards who will get a chance. Let the development begin.

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#32 beloch
September 27 2013, 12:25AM
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So, apparently you can now vote on the next goal song.

http://flames.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=92566

I'm not too thrilled with any of these but, by the power of Corban Knight, let it not be "Fall Out Boy". This song is so bad it might actually condition the audience to cheer against the home team! What sick freak of nature nominated this crap? I cast you out "Fall Out Boy"! The power of Corban Knight compels you!

The Rage Against the Machine track is the only option that doesn't make me cringe, although I can think of several of their songs that would make better goal-themes. Still, please go and vote for anything but "Fall Out Boy". If you would like to vote for "Fall Out Boy" (you sick little monkey you!)... OUT! THE POWER OF CORBAN KNIGHT COMPELS YOU!!!

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#33 piscera.infada
September 27 2013, 12:50AM
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I'm surprised Rage Against the Machine isn't the de facto winner in all this. Smh.

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#34 RexLibris
September 27 2013, 01:35AM
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Laraque got behind the idea, but the whole thing was run by Derek Clarke, a disgraced former player agent who had been essentially run out of the business by the CHL and is better known to most as former con-man Randy Gumbley.

The idea was a good one (arguing for a higher per diem, better education opportunities, etc). That Clarke/Gumbley got behind it probably set the whole idea back twenty years or more.

Laraque's involvement was short-lived and like many people he saw the good in what they said they were trying to do, but once he learned more about the people behind it, backed out very quickly.

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#35 RexLibris
September 27 2013, 01:50AM
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ChinookArch wrote:

For some weird reason Monahan's only options are back to Ottawa or make the NHL. He is considered too young to play in the AHL. I expect the rule was intended to protect under aged players from the pros, as well as CHL teams from being poached of their best talents. Too bad, it would have been an excellent option for Sean Monahan.

It isn't weird, it is meant to cover a number of bases, as you note.

One, it protects the junior teams from losing their high-end prospects immediately following the draft. Two, it is supposed to protect the players themselves from being unnecessarily run through the development process too quickly - these are 18 year old kids, many of whom are already living away from home, sending them on the road with an adult AHL squad may not always be the best environment for developing them as young men. Three, it forces NHL teams to put the brakes on rushing these kids into a professional contract and is a crude correction for having a draft of 18 year olds.

Monahan looks like he could keep his head above water in the AHL. Maybe he can. But maybe it would be better for him in the CHL with his teammates and billet family? His is the exceptional case where talent is ahead of his age category.

This is the dilemma that the Oilers have faced the last few years. They didn't really rush any player into the league with the debatable exception of Nugent-Hopkins as both Taylor Hall and Nail Yakupov had virtually achieved everything they possibly could in the CHL with the added opportunity for Yakupov to play in the KHL last season proving that he was capable of playing with grown men.

Whereas Jordan Eberle was held back for two more years of junior with small stints in the AHL at the end of the WHL season following his draft year while Magnus Paajarvi spent a season in the SEL after being drafted.

No setup is going to be perfect. Some European players who remain overseas get to play against men, but it is often with less ice time on a different surface with noticeable differences in playing style. I don't think Monahan's case is really that significant a dilemma, it just feels like it because the roster is so thin in some respects that his presence is magnified.

My argument is, ability and ELC issues aside, I believe it is in the best, long-term interests of the player and the franchise to return Monahan to the CHL for this season. I wouldn't even approach it with the expectation that he beat his previous season's point totals, but rather that he work on all areas of his game, play close to 25 or even 30 minutes a night, and pray to every deity on the list that he avoid injury.

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#36 Kurt
September 27 2013, 07:01AM
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This camp has reinforced an opinion I've had regarding our prospects. I've long argued that we are so devoid of elite talent that we don't even know what it looks like. We think Sven is the next Stamkos because he is all we got. So as fans we project him to elite status, which is unfair. It took a few short weeks for SeanM to pass Sven on the fan 'elite prospect meter'. We are seeing firsthand the difference between a 11-15 first round draft pick and a close to top 5. A few spots around that range of the draft isn't just a bit better it's a LOT better.

The difference between 6th and 2 or 3 would have been equally as noticeable. My point is we need to stay focused this year and accept our fate properly. We don't need another Sven, we need a top 5 true elite talent next year in the draft.

Send everyone down, and let's suck the banana properly this year so we can come out of this quick. I truly love out prospect depth and potential right now but we need a superstar to add to the core of your kids that are coming along in 2-3 years.

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#37 Craig
September 27 2013, 07:24AM
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Kurt wrote:

This camp has reinforced an opinion I've had regarding our prospects. I've long argued that we are so devoid of elite talent that we don't even know what it looks like. We think Sven is the next Stamkos because he is all we got. So as fans we project him to elite status, which is unfair. It took a few short weeks for SeanM to pass Sven on the fan 'elite prospect meter'. We are seeing firsthand the difference between a 11-15 first round draft pick and a close to top 5. A few spots around that range of the draft isn't just a bit better it's a LOT better.

The difference between 6th and 2 or 3 would have been equally as noticeable. My point is we need to stay focused this year and accept our fate properly. We don't need another Sven, we need a top 5 true elite talent next year in the draft.

Send everyone down, and let's suck the banana properly this year so we can come out of this quick. I truly love out prospect depth and potential right now but we need a superstar to add to the core of your kids that are coming along in 2-3 years.

No one thought that Sven was elite after drating him, it was after his 2.0 PPG pace in his draft +1 year coupled with his stellar play as an emergency call up. It was somewhat downgraded with his performance last year until the end of the season when it was reinforced.

Sven's pseudo elite status as a prospect has as much to do with the numbers he put up as it does with the fact that he was all we had. I fully don't believe that Monahan is better then Sven, especially when they haven't even played a regular season game this year.

Sven will be a very good, top end offensive talent, Monahan may be better, but we have yet to see that.

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#38 vowswithin
September 27 2013, 07:29AM
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So, apparently you can now vote on the next goal song.

http://flames.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=92566

I'm not too thrilled with any of these but, by the power of Corban Knight, let it not be "Fall Out Boy". This song is so bad it might actually condition the audience to cheer against the home team! What sick freak of nature nominated this crap? I cast you out "Fall Out Boy"! The power of Corban Knight compels you!

The Rage Against the Machine track is the only option that doesn't make me cringe, although I can think of several of their songs that would make better goal-themes. Still, please go and vote for anything but "Fall Out Boy". If you would like to vote for "Fall Out Boy" (you sick little monkey you!)... OUT! THE POWER OF CORBAN KNIGHT COMPELS YOU!!!

Just one opinion but ashamedly I voted Fall out boy. I hate pop music, its what my Girlfriend listens to and it literally makes me pull my hair out. All in all I am just not happy with any of the selections there at all. I like rage against the machine but that part just isn't pumped up enough, and flames NEEDED to have fire in the lyrics...... and thus ruined the possibility of having any good song.

The problem with the selections is that the other three don't crescendo in fact the dudes song or whatever me the GF were cranking up the tv and couldn't even tell what the song was and all we could here was cheering each time we scored... very quite part that just doesn't do it.

My vote? New songs for the selection!

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#39 Baalzamon
September 27 2013, 09:25AM
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They're all better than Duck Sauce.

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#40 vowswithin
September 27 2013, 09:47AM
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True that my friend! God that song blows....

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#41 Willie Pless
September 27 2013, 10:07AM
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stephan wrote:

The flames over the last couple years have proven to play better when the kids are in the line up. Example last year when we won games when vying for a top 5 draft pick. So I say let the kids play. Still puts a smile on my face though that the "city of champions" have picked in the top ten 4 years running. Handing out pointless 6 million dollar contracts to oft injury prone unproven players.

Easy does it there Stephan. The next four years might just wipe that smile off your face. The suckage is only really starting now in year one of the Flames rebuild. Where is the "elite" level talent to build on. Well, the first one will get drafted next year and then his development will only start.

Yes, we have Monahan, but the Oilers had Gagner (#6 in 2007!! And he was not a bust like #6 in 2005- Gilbert Brule). How much could Gagner do over the last 5 years? At the draft the elite talents were long gone by the time pick six came along, except for maybe Nuchushkin.

Year after year of being beat down takes a toll on both your vets, your rookies and of course the Fans. Hard to imagine $hittier management than Edmonton or is it?

Hopefully Burke will be better in this long haul. IMHO he is the best pick up of the rebuild so far.

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#42 Avalain
September 27 2013, 11:06AM
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Sorry, I voted for Fall out boy too. I think the Rage Against song is better even if I'm not a huge fan of theirs, but it's just not quite as appropriate for a goal song.

I wonder if someone could set up the Flamesnation poll to copy the goal song poll? May be interesting to see what the popular opinion is around here.

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#43 cygnusx1
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Well if were to believe Hartley he wants to carry 15 forwards 8 dmen and 2 goalies though that's 25 so that would mean 1 forward 1 dman 1 goalie I have no idea who they should be...

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#44 SeanCharles
September 27 2013, 03:35PM
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Knight going down makes figuring out this roster easier:

Glencross-Stajan-Stempniak

Cammaleri-Backlund-Hudler

Baertschi-Monahan-Jones

Bouma-Horak-Galiardi

Jackman/McGrattan

Brodie-Gio

Russell-Wideman

O'Brien-Butler

Smith

Ramo

MacDonald

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#45 nazina
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With most a lot of incumbents already established, the Flames only have a couple of spaces up front and maybe flame cutting one on the back-end up for grabs, though injuries to Mike Cammalleri and Jiri Hudler may mean added opportunity at first.

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