FGD: The (Prospect) Battle of Alberta

Ryan Pike
September 05 2013 02:44PM

 

Hockey's back, in the form of the Battle of Alberta from Penticton's YoungStars Tournament! The puck drops at 5pm MT and can be experienced via webcast from the Flames website.

Can the Flames start off the prospects tournament on a winning note against the team their kids have (hopefully) been conditioned to hate the most? We can only hope.

THE LINE-UP

Via our pals at the Flames site, here's the prospective line-up (presented in no particular order):

  • Andy Taranto – Max Reinhart – Josh Jooris
  • Michael Ferland – Markus Granlund – Ben Hanowski
  • Turner Elson – Sean Monahan – Emile Poirier
  • Sven Baertschi – Corban Knight – Coda Gordon
  • Keegan Kanzig – Tyler Wotherspoon
  • Ryan Culkin – John Ramage
  • Patrick Sieloff – Brett Kulak

Laurent Brossoit gets the start in net, with Joni Ortio backing him up. On the roster but scratched are blueliners Eric Roy and Zach Davies and forwards Dylan Smoskowitz and Linden Penner. Ryan Howse (suspended) and Morgan Klimchuk (injury) obviously aren't gonna play.

The Elson-Monahan-Poirier line should be fun to watch, as should the Sven-Knight-Gordon line. And I have to admit, that defensive group seems pretty solid. But the Reinhart and Granlund lines seem a bit odd. That said, it's impossible to know just how long these combos will stick together.

THE OPPOSITION

The prospective Baby Oilers are fielding these lines, as per the Flames site.
 

  • Kale Kessy – Andrew Miller – Marco Roy
  • Austin Fyten – Jujhar Khaira – Greg Chase
  • Jackson Houck – Travis Ewanyk – Cameron Abney
  • Brandon Baddock – Chase Schaber – Ty Bilke
  • Oscar Klefbom – Darnell Nurse
  • Ben Betker – Martin Marincin
  • Martin Gernat – David Musil
  • Tyler Bunz

Lots of connections with Flames kids here. Jackson Houck and David Musil are current and former teammates of Brett Kulak on the Vancouver Giants. Several of the Oilers here (Travis Ewanyk, Mitch Moroz, Martin Gernat, David Musil, and Brandon Baddock) also played with Laurent Brossoit on the Oil Kings.
 
That top D pairing is very good, while the forwards are a bit of a dog's breakfast. That said, Tyler Bunz was an excellent WHL goaltender who had a disappointing first pro year, spending the majority of it with ECHL Stockton and generally not doing great. He'll be hard-pressed to have a strong showing here to create some momentum for himself in his sophomore pro campaign.

SUM IT UP

The world may seem all topsy-turvy with Brian Burke being part of the Flames organization, but like a cozy blanket, hockey is back to snuggle us all back to sanity. And better yet, it's the Battle of Alberta – albeit with the Oilers depth players against the not-quite-Flames.
 
You have to start somewhere, I guess.

51a8cdc527ce12d222fdc583f3cf4368
Now in his third full season covering the Calgary Flames and the NHL, Ryan Pike is a Calgary native and FlamesNation's managing editor. He's trying to keep his head up, his stick on the ice and is giving it 110% every shift. You can also find his work at The Hockey Writers, the Wrestling Observer and Tough Talk MMA.
Avatar
#51 jeremywilhelm
September 05 2013, 05:57PM
Trash it!
9
trashes
Props
3
props

Darnell Nurse looks comically bad.

Avatar
#52 Baalzamon
September 05 2013, 06:01PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
2
props

Wotherspoon is such a great passer.

Avatar
#53 BurningSensation
September 05 2013, 06:01PM
Trash it!
3
trashes
Props
2
props
Tony wrote:

You can download the Oilers tablet app and watch the stream there. It works, I'm using it now.

Then of course delete it, and scrub your iPad with holy water to get rid of the stench.

I....I just can't do it. I tried, I had the app ready to download, but I just... I just couldn't do it.

Thanks for all the hints from everyone on how to get a Flash substitute, I'm looking into them right now.

Avatar
#54 jeremywilhelm
September 05 2013, 06:04PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
0
props

Ramage looks better than I thought he would.

I'm sad we are almost halfway done the game.

Avatar
#55 Baalzamon
September 05 2013, 06:06PM
Trash it!
3
trashes
Props
3
props

I know he's an Oilers prospect, but this is by far the best I've ever seen Martin Marincin. That is not a compliment.

Avatar
#56 jeremywilhelm
September 05 2013, 06:07PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
0
props

Weak.

Avatar
#57 FireOnIce
September 05 2013, 06:11PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
0
props

Who scored for EDM?

Avatar
#58 Baalzamon
September 05 2013, 06:13PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
2
props

@FireOnIce

Jujhar Khaira. Tip in from Martin Gernat.

Avatar
#59 jeremywilhelm
September 05 2013, 06:13PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

Gernat

Avatar
#60 FireOnIce
September 05 2013, 06:20PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
1
props

Wow, Flames. Culkin scores on his own team.

Avatar
#61 RexLibris
September 05 2013, 06:21PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

That's going to hurt.

Avatar
#62 FireOnIce
September 05 2013, 06:22PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
3
props

As a side note, I'm pretty sure Burke already has a contract drawn up for Keenan Kanzig after that fight earlier. 3 years, max ELC. TRUCULENCE!

#gritchart

Avatar
#63 RexLibris
September 05 2013, 06:23PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
1
props
FireOnIce wrote:

As a side note, I'm pretty sure Burke already has a contract drawn up for Keenan Kanzig after that fight earlier. 3 years, max ELC. TRUCULENCE!

#gritchart

But Burke doesn't believe in fancy stats, so where does that leave the gritchart?

So confused...

Avatar
#64 jeremywilhelm
September 05 2013, 06:24PM
Trash it!
4
trashes
Props
6
props

Flames feeling bad for a very brutal Oilers team. Score on themselves.

Avatar
#65 BurningSensation
September 05 2013, 06:26PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
0
props

So the answer to the question 'how do I stream the game live on my iPad' is;

$4.99 for the 'Photon' browser app.

So far so good, I got to see the Flames score on themselves! Whoo-hoo! Ugh.

Avatar
#66 jeremywilhelm
September 05 2013, 06:28PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@BurningSensation

Did you try the free Penguin Browser?

Avatar
#67 RexLibris
September 05 2013, 06:32PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
4
props
BurningSensation wrote:

So the answer to the question 'how do I stream the game live on my iPad' is;

$4.99 for the 'Photon' browser app.

So far so good, I got to see the Flames score on themselves! Whoo-hoo! Ugh.

Paying $5 rather than downloading Oilers' software. Stick to your principles.

;-)

Avatar
#68 jeremywilhelm
September 05 2013, 06:37PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props

@BurningSensation

Did you try the free Penguin Browser?

Avatar
#69 They're $hittie
September 05 2013, 06:39PM
Trash it!
31
trashes
Props
5
props

Monohan looks like a great two way center. He is going to be a great third line center in the NHL.

Avatar
#70 Baalzamon
September 05 2013, 06:42PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Props
8
props

Poirier to Monahan. Hope to see lots more of that over the years.

Avatar
#71 exsanguinator
September 05 2013, 06:42PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
1
props

That was a beauty.

Avatar
#72 Clyde
September 05 2013, 06:43PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
2
props
FireOnIce wrote:

As a side note, I'm pretty sure Burke already has a contract drawn up for Keenan Kanzig after that fight earlier. 3 years, max ELC. TRUCULENCE!

#gritchart

Kid has an assist and is playing pretty darn well for an 18 year old third rounder.

Avatar
#73 Baalzamon
September 05 2013, 06:45PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
1
props
Clyde wrote:

Kid has an assist and is playing pretty darn well for an 18 year old third rounder.

Indeed. Saw #73 on the replay for Granlund's second goal and thought "Is that Kanzig?" Showed some decent puck skills on that one.

Avatar
#74 exsanguinator
September 05 2013, 06:47PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
0
props
Baalzamon wrote:

Indeed. Saw #73 on the replay for Granlund's second goal and thought "Is that Kanzig?" Showed some decent puck skills on that one.

You can see why the Flames took a chance on him. Needs better skating but he mans the point well and has a fairly quick shot.

I'm still trying to figure out how he only got 7 assists for his team last year.

Avatar
#75 jeremywilhelm
September 05 2013, 06:49PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
3
props

Ramage is making me a fan.

Avatar
#76 Baalzamon
September 05 2013, 06:52PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
0
props
jeremywilhelm wrote:

Ramage is making me a fan.

I had the same reaction watching that first dev camp scrimage. Of course, I always liked Ramage, but he showed some real jump. He's showing the same today. Fitting, for the oldest defenseman out there (I think).

It's weird, though, because he always looks so tiny.

Oo, Poirier scored. Back to the game!

Avatar
#77 BurningSensation
September 05 2013, 06:53PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
0
props
jeremywilhelm wrote:

Did you try the free Penguin Browser?

After reading about a dozen reviews of different products I called my buddy who works in IT and he straight up told me to not screw around and just spend the $5 on Photon.

So I did.

Avatar
#78 jeremywilhelm
September 05 2013, 06:53PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Props
0
props

Weeeeeeeee!

Avatar
#79 Baalzamon
September 05 2013, 06:54PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
1
props

So apparently Marc-Olivier Roy decided his name was "Marco".

Avatar
#80 jeremywilhelm
September 05 2013, 06:55PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
1
props

@Baalzamon

Ramage's agility is very nice. I'm impressed with his play in the offensive zone. A bit eye opening.

Avatar
#81 BurningSensation
September 05 2013, 07:01PM
Trash it!
6
trashes
Props
11
props

Observations so far:

Keegan Kanzig looks like he might be a real player, and not just a nuclear deterrent. If he can actually play a meaningful role in our top 6 D, you have to look at his going in the 3rd rnd as a pure home-run.

Markus Granlund is likely to make the Flames based on what I've seen so far. The kid has skills. He also looks to me like a guy who maxes out as a 2nd liner.

Poirier and Monahan could be assisting on each others scores for a long, long time.

I thought Tyler Bunz was a legit goaltending prospect for the Oilers. I was wrong.

Neither Gernat nor Marincin look ready to step up, but both have flashes of talent that make you think they could develop into something interesting.

Nurse. Wow. I thought he might have growing pains, but did anyone predict he would be noticeably worse than Kanzig? I wouldn't have believed you until I saw it myself.

Avatar
#82 FireOnIce
September 05 2013, 07:01PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
0
props

Holy crap, 5-2. Poirier scored, who was the 5th?

Avatar
#83 BurningSensation
September 05 2013, 07:04PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
0
props
RexLibris wrote:

Paying $5 rather than downloading Oilers' software. Stick to your principles.

;-)

It was also a matter of utility, the only frustrating thing about the iPad is that you can't play Flash. The Oilers app would solve that issue for this game, but not for anything else moving forward.

Avatar
#84 Baalzamon
September 05 2013, 07:04PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
1
props

@FireOnIce

Poirier was 5th, Monahan was the 4th goal.

Avatar
#85 schevvy
September 05 2013, 07:06PM
Trash it!
4
trashes
Props
4
props
RexLibris wrote:

Plan the parade now, eh schevvy?

;-)

Absolutely. Screw rebuild this year, this is a Cup contender

Avatar
#86 Baalzamon
September 05 2013, 07:09PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
1
props

@BurningSensation

Marincin has always reminded me of Babchuk. I remember a young stars game from a few years ago where I didn't notice him at all until the third period when he made a series of tremendously terrible decisions with the puck (and blasted a few howitzers eight feet wide of the net). Then he was named second star. I was baffled until I looked at the game sheet and saw that he had somehow managed to score three points.

Avatar
#87 Clyde
September 05 2013, 07:13PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Props
0
props

Should poirier start wearing 23. Reminds me of gelinas

Avatar
#88 jeremywilhelm
September 05 2013, 07:14PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
0
props

Jeebus. How do you call that as interference?

Avatar
#89 Baalzamon
September 05 2013, 07:14PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
1
props

@Clyde

Reserved for Monahan. And I think Max Reinhart is second in line.

Avatar
#90 RexLibris
September 05 2013, 07:18PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
1
props

@BurningSensation

Yeah, Apple's proprietary protections have cause a lot of headaches, flash included.

Frustrating.

Avatar
#91 beloch
September 05 2013, 07:23PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Props
1
props

Ah... That's the stuff.

Good game. Granlund obviously looks great. Reinhart was good. Monahan made some smart plays. Poirier looked better than I was expecting, given that he's 18 and wasn't picked in the top ten. A few more performances like that and maybe people will like that pick better!

Avatar
#92 Craig
September 05 2013, 07:23PM
Trash it!
3
trashes
Props
3
props

I really liked Ramage, he stood out for me. I'm disappointed with Sven, totally mailed this one in.

Avatar
#93 BurningSensation
September 05 2013, 07:42PM
Trash it!
4
trashes
Props
3
props
Craig wrote:

I really liked Ramage, he stood out for me. I'm disappointed with Sven, totally mailed this one in.

i suspect Troy Ward's coaching advice to Sven for this game was simple;

Do. Not. Get. Hurt. Period.

Avatar
#94 BurningSensation
September 05 2013, 07:48PM
Trash it!
6
trashes
Props
0
props
RexLibris wrote:

Yeah, Apple's proprietary protections have cause a lot of headaches, flash included.

Frustrating.

I was an IBM man for two decades and finally switched to Apple last year. The difference was almost life altering. No more virus updates, or time consuming software updates, or constant rebooting, or blue-screen-of-death.

I can easily live with the Flash/software issues Apple has.

To quote the alternate universe Ryker; "I'm not going back!"

Avatar
#95 beloch
September 05 2013, 07:55PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
1
props

@Craig

Sven had a couple of decent chances, but he didn't exactly dazzle. Still, he doesn't really have anything to prove by beating up on the other prospects. Besides, even good NHL'ers don't show up to every game. Sven would have to sleep with Burke's daughter to not make the team this year, and it's what he can do with a full season of ice-time that will be interesting to see.

Avatar
#96 FireOnIce
September 05 2013, 08:11PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
0
props

@beloch

Also, Sven will (hopefully) have better teammates this season. He might play with Corban Knight, who wasn't too shabby tonight (def. pass first mentality), but his other linemate won't be Coda Gordon. And his D-men will be players like TJ Brodie and Mark Giordano.

Don't get hurt in this tournament, and then he can shine once he's in the big show.

I'm pretty sure Sven's point streak continues from last season as well.

Avatar
#97 beloch
September 05 2013, 08:19PM
Trash it!
5
trashes
Props
1
props

@BurningSensation

I mostly use Linux for work and Windows on my media PC (since Bluray support on Linux and OSX sucks). However, I did some development on OSX when it first came out and had an MB air running OSX for about a year recently, so I know at least a little about it.

OSX Lion was a buggy piece of crap and a big reason why I jumped ship from Apple again. It had more annoying glitches and gave me kernel panics more frequently than BSOD's with Win7. Win8 is actually even more stable than Win7. Even with the weird stuff I sometimes do to my HTPC, Win8 hasn't BSOD'd on me even once so far! Say what you will about Win8, it absolutely wins the stability crown. (Caveat emptor: I buy decent PC hardware and assemble systems myself. If you buy a POS bargain-bin clone that has a $5 power supply in it, no OS is going to be completely stable on it. Believe it or not, stuff like voltage spikes actually matter to electronics! You get what you pay for.)

The fact that I use Linux should probably warn you that I like having a decent amount of customizability in my OS's. I definitely expect OS's to give me the tools to adapt them to me rather than forcing me to adapt to them. Thanks to a growing community of modders, OSX is light-years ahead of where it was in the early aught's, but it's still painfully lacking. Apple really does try to force users to do things the Apple way. Any deviation from that is something they'd probably sue into oblivion if the law allowed them to.

If you're happy with OSX, stay there and be happy. The differences between OS's aren't nearly as important as they once were. If I was happy with stock OSX I'd probably still be using it, since Apple hardware is rather nice. Still, don't delude yourself into thinking OSX is a magical beacon of stability in a sea of crap.

Avatar
#98 JayD54
September 05 2013, 08:30PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Props
5
props

Witnessed the game between the Flames and Oilers kids this afternoon.

The three Flames youngsters that, to me, stood out were Granlund and Elson up front and John Ramage on the blueline. Brossoit was rarely tested, but did stop one breakaway by one of the three best Oiler youngsters, Marco Roy (he`s fast). The others that stood out were Jujhar Khaira (not afraid of traffic) and Martin Gernat (the best D).

I indicated in the post I made before the game that I thought the calm demeanor of Ramage put him in good stead. He demonstrated that in this game, in my opinion, along with being solid and determined in his own end. A couple of other, non-performance related items spoke to me for his leadership qualities. He was always speaking (not yelling) to the officials, picked the puck up and passed it to them more than once. And when Ryan Culkin swooped the puck into his own net, it was Ramage that went to him to provide encouragement.

Granlund was excellent in the faceoff circle and showed solid awareness in the offensive end. The goal that he scored off the great effort by Michael Ferland showed excellent finish.

Turner Elson finished checks, was the buzz saw kind of player every time he was on the ice. And he saw every type of situation. Hes not big, nor is he the best skater, but he is definitely someone you want on your team. Figure that he will be a valuable member of the Heat for at least this season, perhaps earning a look see if the Flames in the final few games of the season.

Honorable mention has to be given to Max Reinhart. He was playing with Jooris and Taranto, won a lot of face offs and was in great position in both ends of the ice. Sven did okay, was in good position but appeared rusty finish wise. Corban Knight and Sean Monahan were good in a game where the team dominated the opposition. Knights wingers, Coda Gordon and Sven, need to learn quickly that they best go to the front of the net as #10 got the puck there frequently. Monahan was teamed with Poirier and Elson and showed flashes of smooth skating and solid decision making in both ends.

As for the Oilers, its been said that their up and comers are best on the back end. In this game and acknowledging its the first competition of the fall, it certainly did not show. Darnell Nurse played quite a bit. I would suggest he needs to bulk up strength-wise as he was outmuscled both along the wall and in front.

In summary, I thought that the Flames kids were full measure for the win. As well, if they perform like this in their next games here, the organization will have served notice and there is solid inventory in the proverbial prospect cupboard.

I am disappointed that I have to leave this beautiful part of the world without witnessing the balance of the tournament, but am headed back from vacation looking forward to main camp, the pre-season and the competition for jobs there.

Avatar
#99 BurningSensation
September 05 2013, 08:42PM
Trash it!
6
trashes
Props
1
props

@beloch

I had the good fortune of working with a very smart IT guy/team in my previous career, and essentially let tem tell me what I needed to buy (with the caveat that they would be repairing/debugging any issues I had).

When I switched to Apple it had as much to do with simplicity as it did with anything else. Apple products are just way easier for non-computer nerds like me to use.

Now that I have kids rolling with an iPad is really the only way to go. If my three year old can figure it out, it's good enough for me.

Avatar
#100 SmellOfVictory
September 05 2013, 08:55PM
Trash it!
5
trashes
Props
1
props
jeremywilhelm wrote:

Darnell Nurse looks comically bad.

The book on him was "raw, but toolsy", so I'm not surprised; he's a young dude playing against a lot of guys who have a year or two's development on him. If he's against Baertschi at all I'd expect him to get absolutely destroyed (I missed the game, unfortunately); same goes for Reinhart, Granlund, Knight, and honestly even Monahan (same draft class for Mona, I realize, but he's older and also one of the smarter guys from that draft).

Comments are closed for this article.