FGD: The (Prospect) Battle of Alberta

Ryan Pike
September 05 2013 02:44PM

 

Hockey's back, in the form of the Battle of Alberta from Penticton's YoungStars Tournament! The puck drops at 5pm MT and can be experienced via webcast from the Flames website.

Can the Flames start off the prospects tournament on a winning note against the team their kids have (hopefully) been conditioned to hate the most? We can only hope.

THE LINE-UP

Via our pals at the Flames site, here's the prospective line-up (presented in no particular order):

  • Andy Taranto – Max Reinhart – Josh Jooris
  • Michael Ferland – Markus Granlund – Ben Hanowski
  • Turner Elson – Sean Monahan – Emile Poirier
  • Sven Baertschi – Corban Knight – Coda Gordon
  • Keegan Kanzig – Tyler Wotherspoon
  • Ryan Culkin – John Ramage
  • Patrick Sieloff – Brett Kulak

Laurent Brossoit gets the start in net, with Joni Ortio backing him up. On the roster but scratched are blueliners Eric Roy and Zach Davies and forwards Dylan Smoskowitz and Linden Penner. Ryan Howse (suspended) and Morgan Klimchuk (injury) obviously aren't gonna play.

The Elson-Monahan-Poirier line should be fun to watch, as should the Sven-Knight-Gordon line. And I have to admit, that defensive group seems pretty solid. But the Reinhart and Granlund lines seem a bit odd. That said, it's impossible to know just how long these combos will stick together.

THE OPPOSITION

The prospective Baby Oilers are fielding these lines, as per the Flames site.
 

  • Kale Kessy – Andrew Miller – Marco Roy
  • Austin Fyten – Jujhar Khaira – Greg Chase
  • Jackson Houck – Travis Ewanyk – Cameron Abney
  • Brandon Baddock – Chase Schaber – Ty Bilke
  • Oscar Klefbom – Darnell Nurse
  • Ben Betker – Martin Marincin
  • Martin Gernat – David Musil
  • Tyler Bunz

Lots of connections with Flames kids here. Jackson Houck and David Musil are current and former teammates of Brett Kulak on the Vancouver Giants. Several of the Oilers here (Travis Ewanyk, Mitch Moroz, Martin Gernat, David Musil, and Brandon Baddock) also played with Laurent Brossoit on the Oil Kings.
 
That top D pairing is very good, while the forwards are a bit of a dog's breakfast. That said, Tyler Bunz was an excellent WHL goaltender who had a disappointing first pro year, spending the majority of it with ECHL Stockton and generally not doing great. He'll be hard-pressed to have a strong showing here to create some momentum for himself in his sophomore pro campaign.

SUM IT UP

The world may seem all topsy-turvy with Brian Burke being part of the Flames organization, but like a cozy blanket, hockey is back to snuggle us all back to sanity. And better yet, it's the Battle of Alberta – albeit with the Oilers depth players against the not-quite-Flames.
 
You have to start somewhere, I guess.

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Ryan Pike is a Calgary native and FlamesNation's managing editor. He's covered the Flames and the NHL since 2010. His work can also be found at The Hockey Writers and The Wrestling Observer.
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#1 They're $hittie
September 05 2013, 06:39PM
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Monohan looks like a great two way center. He is going to be a great third line center in the NHL.

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#2 Primo
September 05 2013, 11:30PM
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I'm at the tournament in Penticton...tonight most outstanding player involving both games was no question Bo Horvat. This kid really stood out with size, speed, quickness and soft hands. He is the real deal!

Although I was on board initially with the Poirier selection, tonight he was rather invisible. Hunter Shinkaruk really stood out for the Canucks with speed and assertiveness. He was all over the ice and played the tough areas effectively. His presense was obvious. This was the first time I observed both players and Shinkaruk won this battle hands down.

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#3 Todd
September 06 2013, 12:39AM
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Hopefully Flames fans enjoyed this meaningless prospect exhibition game, cause it might be the highlight of their entire season.

I'm not going to shed one tear this year after the ridicule they've hurled our way for 4 years and I truly hope Burke runs your team into the sewer you belong in (but hopefully stay good enough to continue to miss out on drafting true impact players). Enjoy the rebuild Flamers.

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#4 They're $hittie
September 05 2013, 04:38PM
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Haha,Sven on the fourth line. Looks like Burke already knows his max potential.

All kidding aside, are any of the young kids going to be able to score on the oil Defense. if you some how get by them it should be an easy one on Bunz.

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Kent needs a new Flames Burke Jersy

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#5 jeremywilhelm
September 05 2013, 05:57PM
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Darnell Nurse looks comically bad.

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#6 insvenwetrust
September 06 2013, 01:45AM
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The oilers don't need a Nurse...they need a doctor.. cuz they are hurtin..

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#7 BurningSensation
September 05 2013, 07:01PM
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Observations so far:

Keegan Kanzig looks like he might be a real player, and not just a nuclear deterrent. If he can actually play a meaningful role in our top 6 D, you have to look at his going in the 3rd rnd as a pure home-run.

Markus Granlund is likely to make the Flames based on what I've seen so far. The kid has skills. He also looks to me like a guy who maxes out as a 2nd liner.

Poirier and Monahan could be assisting on each others scores for a long, long time.

I thought Tyler Bunz was a legit goaltending prospect for the Oilers. I was wrong.

Neither Gernat nor Marincin look ready to step up, but both have flashes of talent that make you think they could develop into something interesting.

Nurse. Wow. I thought he might have growing pains, but did anyone predict he would be noticeably worse than Kanzig? I wouldn't have believed you until I saw it myself.

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#8 BurningSensation
September 05 2013, 07:48PM
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RexLibris wrote:

Yeah, Apple's proprietary protections have cause a lot of headaches, flash included.

Frustrating.

I was an IBM man for two decades and finally switched to Apple last year. The difference was almost life altering. No more virus updates, or time consuming software updates, or constant rebooting, or blue-screen-of-death.

I can easily live with the Flash/software issues Apple has.

To quote the alternate universe Ryker; "I'm not going back!"

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#9 BurningSensation
September 05 2013, 08:42PM
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@beloch

I had the good fortune of working with a very smart IT guy/team in my previous career, and essentially let tem tell me what I needed to buy (with the caveat that they would be repairing/debugging any issues I had).

When I switched to Apple it had as much to do with simplicity as it did with anything else. Apple products are just way easier for non-computer nerds like me to use.

Now that I have kids rolling with an iPad is really the only way to go. If my three year old can figure it out, it's good enough for me.

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#10 SmellOfVictory
September 05 2013, 03:05PM
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I don't particularly like Sven being stuck with two slow skaters.

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#11 beloch
September 05 2013, 08:19PM
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@BurningSensation

I mostly use Linux for work and Windows on my media PC (since Bluray support on Linux and OSX sucks). However, I did some development on OSX when it first came out and had an MB air running OSX for about a year recently, so I know at least a little about it.

OSX Lion was a buggy piece of crap and a big reason why I jumped ship from Apple again. It had more annoying glitches and gave me kernel panics more frequently than BSOD's with Win7. Win8 is actually even more stable than Win7. Even with the weird stuff I sometimes do to my HTPC, Win8 hasn't BSOD'd on me even once so far! Say what you will about Win8, it absolutely wins the stability crown. (Caveat emptor: I buy decent PC hardware and assemble systems myself. If you buy a POS bargain-bin clone that has a $5 power supply in it, no OS is going to be completely stable on it. Believe it or not, stuff like voltage spikes actually matter to electronics! You get what you pay for.)

The fact that I use Linux should probably warn you that I like having a decent amount of customizability in my OS's. I definitely expect OS's to give me the tools to adapt them to me rather than forcing me to adapt to them. Thanks to a growing community of modders, OSX is light-years ahead of where it was in the early aught's, but it's still painfully lacking. Apple really does try to force users to do things the Apple way. Any deviation from that is something they'd probably sue into oblivion if the law allowed them to.

If you're happy with OSX, stay there and be happy. The differences between OS's aren't nearly as important as they once were. If I was happy with stock OSX I'd probably still be using it, since Apple hardware is rather nice. Still, don't delude yourself into thinking OSX is a magical beacon of stability in a sea of crap.

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#12 SmellOfVictory
September 05 2013, 08:55PM
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jeremywilhelm wrote:

Darnell Nurse looks comically bad.

The book on him was "raw, but toolsy", so I'm not surprised; he's a young dude playing against a lot of guys who have a year or two's development on him. If he's against Baertschi at all I'd expect him to get absolutely destroyed (I missed the game, unfortunately); same goes for Reinhart, Granlund, Knight, and honestly even Monahan (same draft class for Mona, I realize, but he's older and also one of the smarter guys from that draft).

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#13 FireOnIce
September 06 2013, 12:50AM
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Todd wrote:

Hopefully Flames fans enjoyed this meaningless prospect exhibition game, cause it might be the highlight of their entire season.

I'm not going to shed one tear this year after the ridicule they've hurled our way for 4 years and I truly hope Burke runs your team into the sewer you belong in (but hopefully stay good enough to continue to miss out on drafting true impact players). Enjoy the rebuild Flamers.

YES. Welcome back Todd. Your trolling has been sorely missed. Some may try, but they fail miserably.

Now, what ridicule has been hurled over the last 4 years? I've hurled all sorts of ridicule at the Canucks for WAY longer than 4 years. Ditto for the Oilers and Leafs. What changed in the last 4 years? We've always hated your team. Get over it.

In regards to Flames fan getting all uppity because of one game, let's not forget the snobbery of Canucks and Oilers fans regarding their prospects.

*Ahem*

"OMG, HODGSON AND SHIROKOV! FL4MERS FANS SUXX0RS!! HAHA!"

or

"HAI GUYZ, WE GOT TAYLOR HALL AND RNH, WE'LL BE AWESOME ONE OF THEEZ DAYS"

Troll on, you crazy diamond.

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#14 MessyEH
September 06 2013, 03:05AM
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FireOnIce wrote:

YES. Welcome back Todd. Your trolling has been sorely missed. Some may try, but they fail miserably.

Now, what ridicule has been hurled over the last 4 years? I've hurled all sorts of ridicule at the Canucks for WAY longer than 4 years. Ditto for the Oilers and Leafs. What changed in the last 4 years? We've always hated your team. Get over it.

In regards to Flames fan getting all uppity because of one game, let's not forget the snobbery of Canucks and Oilers fans regarding their prospects.

*Ahem*

"OMG, HODGSON AND SHIROKOV! FL4MERS FANS SUXX0RS!! HAHA!"

or

"HAI GUYZ, WE GOT TAYLOR HALL AND RNH, WE'LL BE AWESOME ONE OF THEEZ DAYS"

Troll on, you crazy diamond.

You forgot Eberle, Yakapov,and Justin Schultz.

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#15 jeremywilhelm
September 05 2013, 06:24PM
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Flames feeling bad for a very brutal Oilers team. Score on themselves.

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#16 schevvy
September 05 2013, 07:06PM
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RexLibris wrote:

Plan the parade now, eh schevvy?

;-)

Absolutely. Screw rebuild this year, this is a Cup contender

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#17 BurningSensation
September 05 2013, 07:42PM
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Craig wrote:

I really liked Ramage, he stood out for me. I'm disappointed with Sven, totally mailed this one in.

i suspect Troy Ward's coaching advice to Sven for this game was simple;

Do. Not. Get. Hurt. Period.

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#18 schevvy
September 05 2013, 05:40PM
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Remember when the Flames kids were always overmatched in these tournies? Nice for it to be quite different now.

Btw, who's coaching the prospect team?

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#19 BurningSensation
September 05 2013, 06:01PM
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Tony wrote:

You can download the Oilers tablet app and watch the stream there. It works, I'm using it now.

Then of course delete it, and scrub your iPad with holy water to get rid of the stench.

I....I just can't do it. I tried, I had the app ready to download, but I just... I just couldn't do it.

Thanks for all the hints from everyone on how to get a Flash substitute, I'm looking into them right now.

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#20 Baalzamon
September 05 2013, 06:06PM
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I know he's an Oilers prospect, but this is by far the best I've ever seen Martin Marincin. That is not a compliment.

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#21 Craig
September 05 2013, 07:23PM
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I really liked Ramage, he stood out for me. I'm disappointed with Sven, totally mailed this one in.

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#22 beloch
September 05 2013, 11:39PM
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@Primo

So, Poirier was invisible, except when he was scoring, and you came to a thread about a Flames-Oilers prospect game to say that your two favorite prospects of the night were both Canucks who played in a completely different game? All-righty then.

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#23 insvenwetrust
September 06 2013, 01:41AM
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shinkaruk was amazing if we were judging a snow angel contest because he spent most of his time laying on the ice

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#24 Craig
September 06 2013, 04:43AM
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@insvenwetrust

You're on Fire.

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#25 Kent Wilson
September 05 2013, 03:39PM
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@Clyde

Here: http://flames.nhl.com/index.html

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#26 Clyde
September 05 2013, 03:45PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Here: http://flames.nhl.com/index.html

Thanks Kent

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#27 FireOnIce
September 05 2013, 05:05PM
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PP looks like crap. TRADE MONAHAN!

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#28 jeremywilhelm
September 05 2013, 05:10PM
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Nurse looks terrible. Yay!

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#29 exsanguinator
September 05 2013, 05:29PM
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What a shot.

Also, lol at Nurse.

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#30 jeremywilhelm
September 05 2013, 05:39PM
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One period, I know, but Monahan doesn't look special to me. Then again, RNH looked like butt his first Prospects tournie as well.

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#31 Baalzamon
September 05 2013, 06:42PM
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Poirier to Monahan. Hope to see lots more of that over the years.

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#32 jeremywilhelm
September 05 2013, 06:53PM
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Weeeeeeeee!

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#33 Clyde
September 05 2013, 07:13PM
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Should poirier start wearing 23. Reminds me of gelinas

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#34 beloch
September 05 2013, 07:23PM
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Ah... That's the stuff.

Good game. Granlund obviously looks great. Reinhart was good. Monahan made some smart plays. Poirier looked better than I was expecting, given that he's 18 and wasn't picked in the top ten. A few more performances like that and maybe people will like that pick better!

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#35 JayD54
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Witnessed the game between the Flames and Oilers kids this afternoon.

The three Flames youngsters that, to me, stood out were Granlund and Elson up front and John Ramage on the blueline. Brossoit was rarely tested, but did stop one breakaway by one of the three best Oiler youngsters, Marco Roy (he`s fast). The others that stood out were Jujhar Khaira (not afraid of traffic) and Martin Gernat (the best D).

I indicated in the post I made before the game that I thought the calm demeanor of Ramage put him in good stead. He demonstrated that in this game, in my opinion, along with being solid and determined in his own end. A couple of other, non-performance related items spoke to me for his leadership qualities. He was always speaking (not yelling) to the officials, picked the puck up and passed it to them more than once. And when Ryan Culkin swooped the puck into his own net, it was Ramage that went to him to provide encouragement.

Granlund was excellent in the faceoff circle and showed solid awareness in the offensive end. The goal that he scored off the great effort by Michael Ferland showed excellent finish.

Turner Elson finished checks, was the buzz saw kind of player every time he was on the ice. And he saw every type of situation. Hes not big, nor is he the best skater, but he is definitely someone you want on your team. Figure that he will be a valuable member of the Heat for at least this season, perhaps earning a look see if the Flames in the final few games of the season.

Honorable mention has to be given to Max Reinhart. He was playing with Jooris and Taranto, won a lot of face offs and was in great position in both ends of the ice. Sven did okay, was in good position but appeared rusty finish wise. Corban Knight and Sean Monahan were good in a game where the team dominated the opposition. Knights wingers, Coda Gordon and Sven, need to learn quickly that they best go to the front of the net as #10 got the puck there frequently. Monahan was teamed with Poirier and Elson and showed flashes of smooth skating and solid decision making in both ends.

As for the Oilers, its been said that their up and comers are best on the back end. In this game and acknowledging its the first competition of the fall, it certainly did not show. Darnell Nurse played quite a bit. I would suggest he needs to bulk up strength-wise as he was outmuscled both along the wall and in front.

In summary, I thought that the Flames kids were full measure for the win. As well, if they perform like this in their next games here, the organization will have served notice and there is solid inventory in the proverbial prospect cupboard.

I am disappointed that I have to leave this beautiful part of the world without witnessing the balance of the tournament, but am headed back from vacation looking forward to main camp, the pre-season and the competition for jobs there.

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#36 beloch
September 05 2013, 09:13PM
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@BurningSensation

Like I said, if you're happy then keep being happy. Just don't go around saying everything else sucks or you'll sound like a fanboy.

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#37 KetchupKid
September 06 2013, 02:57AM
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Tyler Bunz? TYLER BUNZ?!? I'm sorry guys but I just found my new favourite goalie.

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#38 Kent Wilson
September 06 2013, 09:03AM
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Yay! Todd is back!

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#39 Clyde
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Hi guys. How can we get the game? Thanks

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#40 BurningSensation
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@Kent Wilson

Any chance you have a link that works with iPads?

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#41 Kent Wilson
September 05 2013, 04:18PM
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@BurningSensation

Talk to the Flames for that one.

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#43 FireOnIce
September 05 2013, 05:02PM
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Oh noez, Baertschi lost the ceremonial puck drop! TRADE THE BUM!

Go Flames.

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#44 FireOnIce
September 05 2013, 05:10PM
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@jeremywilhelm

Yeah it's a bit choppy here and there. If there were 1000+ people at the development camp, imagine how many are watching the game right now. Probably just as many.

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#45 jeremywilhelm
September 05 2013, 05:11PM
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Culkin has always reminded me alot of Brodie.

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#46 jeremywilhelm
September 05 2013, 05:28PM
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Bahaha. Suck it Nurse!

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#47 Kent Wilson
September 05 2013, 05:33PM
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Granlund gets another one after a nice tic-tac-toe.

Oilers kids are completely overmatched.

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#48 Tony
September 05 2013, 05:34PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

@#$#%^

Oh well. Please let us poor Apple users know if Keegan Kanzig liberates an Oiler from his senses.

You can download the Oilers tablet app and watch the stream there. It works, I'm using it now.

Then of course delete it, and scrub your iPad with holy water to get rid of the stench.

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#49 RexLibris
September 05 2013, 05:52PM
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@schevvy

Plan the parade now, eh schevvy?

;-)

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#50 Baalzamon
September 05 2013, 05:52PM
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Sigh. With my luck I missed the best part of the game. 3 goals? awesome.

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