Post-Game: Flames No Show in Glendale

Taylor McKee
January 07 2014 09:53PM

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Boy oh boy, has everyone had a deep breath after that game?! Whew! I think I speak for everyone who was subjected to watched this game when I say, wow, this game sucked. Like, I could try to think of more diplomatic language but why mince words? A mixture of bad bounces and horrendous play contributed to a shellacking in Glendale and the Flames look once again like a team that is poised for a lottery pick. Also, the Coyotes must be the only team in the NHL that can win a game 6-0 and make in an excruciating experience for both teams. 

The Flames played in consecutive nights after a 4-3 win in Denver last night and came into Phoenix ready to unleash their furious offensive attack on the poor Coyotes. The Flames scored four times from four different players in Colorado after being shutout in three out of four previous games. However, if as though Monday's scoring fiesta was merely a dream, the Flames were shutout again, this time on the road 6-0 at the hands of the Coyotes.  

GAME SUMMARY

The first period was rather bland with neither team getting many good chances. The Flames struggled to find their legs in the opening minutes but were able to keep the Coyotes from scoring an early goal which should be considered a victory in and of itself. Joe Colborne, who is coming off one of his best games as a Flame last night in Denver, drew a penalty which led to the Flames best chances of the period.

Reto Berra got the start in net and looked relatively solid in the first, though he was barely tested. Dennis Wideman had a great chance on the power play but Thomas Greiss denied him with a bizarre glove save from behind his head. The shots ended 9-6 for the Flames, seven of which came from defencemen including three from Dennis Wideman. The Flames also out-chanced the 'Yotes 8-4.  

Then things went to hell. Early in the second, Colborne tried to make a skilled play in the offensive zone at the end of a long shift and turned over the puck. Boedker chipped the puck in front of the net and banked it off of Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever survivor Shane Doan and into the net. A crappy, flukey goal. One worthy of Phoenix.

One minute and 36 seconds later, Korpikoski took a slapshot and hit all-snub team member Radim Vrbata in the back and falling on a platter for Martin Hanzal who buried it. Both goals sucked and you have to feel for Berra who has played very well recently but has received zero help from his team. In fact, in four of the last six starts for Reto Berra, he has received no goals in support. As in zero. Nadda. So, though he is not making people forget about kipper, this past stretch of games has been unfair for him. 

With eight minutes to go in the second, noted rodent Mike Ribeiro fed Boedker in front who snuck one by Berra on the short side making it 3-0. This one wasn't a fluke and didn't look too good on Berra either. Still, it would be nice for the Flames to give him something resembling offensive support. The Flames fell completely flat in the second and as a result, lost the game. The period ended 3-0 for the Coyotes with the Coyotes out-shooting the Flames 7-5 though the chances were tied 6-6.

In the third, Hartley tried to scramble the lines including moving Joe Colborne up the depth chart and early on the Flames had some good offensive pressure but could not score. Mid-way through the third, Giordano made an exceptionally soft play and Lauri Korpikoski banged home the fourth goal of the night for Phoenix. Late in the third, former Hitmen defender Michael Stone ripped home a slapper past Berra to make it 5-0 for the Coyotes. For good measure, Rob Klinkhammer scored on a powerplay and made it 6-0. Mercifully, the game ended there. The shots ended 30-27 in favour of the Coyotes, so six goals on 30 shots is obviously not a great night for Berra.

All in all, it was an awful game for the flames.

THE RED WARRIOR

This one is tough because of the general malaise that surrounded the team throughout the game. Paul Byron, whom I love, had another good game and generated offence throughout the game. Joe Colborne looked pretty decent at times today and I think he has put two pretty good games together for the first time in a while. But even the players who were kind of good still sucked. The whole team sucked. Period.

However, I am going to go with Dennis Wideman who had five shots on goal, though many of them were on the power-play. The PP just looks so much more relaxed and confident with him on the point despite the fact that the Flames were unable to score on any of their man advantages. Hopefully he can provide some offence for this club moving forward because the Flames haven't received much of anything from their other rearguards this season with the exception of possibly Giordano or Russell. 

SCORING CHANCES

Team Period Time Note Home Away State
Away 1 18:58 Byron saved 1 5 6 36 50 89 5 7 22 23 29 32 5v5
Away 1 18:49 Stempniak missed net 1 5 6 36 50 89 5 7 22 23 29 32 5v5
Home 1 12:12 Chipchura shot blocked 1 3 14 18 24 53 5 7 8 16 29 39 5v5
Away 1 6:33 McGrattan shot blocked 1 5 6 36 50 89 5 7 16 17 18 29 5v5
Home 1 5:31 Hanzal shot blocked 1 5 6 11 17 28 3 6 22 23 29 32 5v5
Home 1 5:10 Hanzal shot blocked 1 5 6 11 17 28 3 6 8 15 29 32 5v5
Away 1 5:03 Colborne saved 1 5 6 11 17 28 8 15 27 29 39 44 5v5
Away 1 4:20 Cammalleri blocked 1 14 26 28 53   5 7 8 11 13 29 4v5
Away 1 3:42 Wideman saved 1 5 11 16 17   6 22 23 24 29 44 4v5
Away 1 3:02 Monahan missed 1 5 11 16 17   6 22 23 24 29 44 4v5
Home 1 2:37 Doan missed 1 3 19 53 63 89 5 7 17 18 29 39 5v5
Away 1 1:32 Backlund missed 1 16 18 26 36 63 3 6 11 13 24 29 5v5
Home 2 16:18 Hanzal scores on rebound 1 3 11 17 28 53 3 11 22 27 29 32 5v5
Home 2 15:40 Klinkhammer missed 1 16 18 26 36 50 3 6 22 23 29 32 5v5
Home 2 14:05 Yandle missed 1 3 11 17 63 89 5 11 17 29 44   5v4
Home 2 12:41 Korpikoski saved 1 6 19 26 28 50 5 11 29 39 44   5v4
Away 2 11:22 Brodie hit side of net 1 11 16 28 53   5 7 23 24 29 32 4v5
Away 2 9:35 Stempniak shot blocked 1 3 6 50 53 89 7 11 22 29 39 44 5v5
Away 2 8:03 Colborne shot blocked 1 3 5 11 17 28 5 6 8 15 29 39 5v5
Home 2 7:21 Boedker scores 1 5 16 19 63 89 5 7 8 15 29 39 5v5
Away 2 6:37 McGrattan saved 1 5 12 14 16 24 16 17 18 27 29 44 5v5
Away 2 3:14 Stempniak missed 1 6 19 50 63 89 3 7 22 29 39   5v4
Away 2 2:31 Stempniak saved 1 3 17 26 28 50 5 11 13 22 27 29 5v5
Home 2 1:34 Chipchura blocked 1 14 16 18 24 26 6 13 23 24 27 29 5v5
Away 3 19:37 Hudler missed 1 3 11 17 28 53 3 6 11 24 29 32 5v5
Home 3 10:58 Korpikoski scores 1 12 14 16 24 26 8 15 27 29 39 44 5v5
Home 3 9:44 Vermette shot blocked 1 3 18 36 50 53 3 6 13 22 23 29 5v5
Home 3 9:04 Vrbatal hit side of net 1 3 11 17 28 53 5 7 11 24 29 32 5v5
Home 3 3:16 Korpikoski saved 1 5 6 11 17 28 5 6 11 24 29 32 5v5
Home 3 1:22 Klinkhammer scores 1 5 6 14 24 28 8 17 27 29 32 44 5v5
Away 3 0:34 Byron missed net 1 5 6 14 24 28 8 17 27 29 32 44 5v5
# Player EV     PP     SH    
3 SMID, LADISLAV 17:43 2 5 00:00 0 0 02:19 1 0
5 GIORDANO, MARK 17:56 5 5 03:07 2 0 02:29 0 2
6 WIDEMAN, DENNIS 20:09 3 6 02:14 2 0 00:00 0 0
7 BRODIE, TJ 16:58 4 4 01:46 2 0 02:19 1 0
8 COLBORNE, JOE 13:11 3 5 01:56 1 0 00:07 0 0
11 BACKLUND, MIKAEL 13:45 4 3 00:59 1 0 01:47 0 2
13 CAMMALLERI, MIKE 15:45 2 2 01:56 1 0 00:00 0 0
15 WESTGARTH, KEVIN 10:35 2 3 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
16 MCGRATTAN, BRIAN 08:05 2 1 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
17 BOUMA, LANCE 10:21 3 2 00:00 0 0 01:32 0 1
18 STAJAN, MATT 10:20 2 1 00:00 0 0 00:40 0 0
22 STEMPNIAK, LEE 16:17 4 4 01:07 2 0 02:14 1 0
23 MONAHAN, SEAN 13:56 2 4 02:01 3 0 00:40 0 0
24 HUDLER, JIRI 14:12 2 3 03:01 3 0 00:00 0 0
27 SMITH, DEREK 14:10 4 4 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
29 BERRA, RETO   11 13   4 0   1 2
32 BYRON, PAUL 14:27 4 7 00:57 1 0 01:14 0 0
39 GALIARDI, TJ 12:42 3 4 00:03 0 0 01:22 1 1
44 BUTLER, CHRIS 15:28 4 2 00:53 2 0 02:29 0 2
Period Totals EV PP 5v3 PP SH 5v3 SH
1 8 4 5 4 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2 6 6 4 4 1 0 0 0 1 2 0 0
3 2 5 2 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

 

SUM IT UP

Another loss, albeit an exceptionally ugly one, in this inevitable march towards the deadline and then draft day. However, this one was especially terrible. The Flames were the victims of some bad luck in the second but were unable to capitalize on their power-plays or get a greasy goal that might have allowed them back in the game. Then the wheels fell off and the Coyotes scored six straight goals and the Flames were completely lifeless. 

With the exception of last night's tilt against the Avs, the Flames are not getting any production from their vets especially Stempniak, Cammalleri, Galiardi, and nothing from the back-end. Also, I think Darren Haynes identified a problem for a team trying to generate offence: 

By all accounts the game was played in slush, making any attempts at a comeback even more improbable if the suffocating death grip of Tippet's Coyotes with-a-lead wasn't enough. The Flames collectively no-showed in the second and third and didn't get world-class goaltending (though I am sure no one should be expecting that this season) and as a result were beaten. Badly. 

The Flames return home for a date with the St.Louis Blues who I believe, and this is not official, have 19636017.9 Olympians on their roster. Quite an achievement. 

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Taylor splits time between UVIC and Calgary studying history. Taylor likes the Flames, the Cannons, Buckshot, and the Oxford comma. Taylor scored on his own net on dome ice when he was 8. Twitter: @TaylorMcKee_
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#1 Victoria Flames Fan
January 07 2014, 09:59PM
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Two fourth lines and two third lines.

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#2 Carlizzle
January 07 2014, 10:03PM
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The 1st period gave room for optimism, the second and third were forgettable. Stemp can't buy a goal, 1 point (assist) in his last 14 games, shutout for the 4th time in 6 games and the newest acquisition had 10:35 of ice time and was a -3. The only players that were not minus were Cammalleri (17:41), McGrattan (08:05) and Monohan (16:37).

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#3 Carlizzle
January 07 2014, 10:09PM
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Victoria Flames Fan wrote:

Two fourth lines and two third lines.

It's more like 4 4th lines.

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#4 Jeff In Lethbridge
January 07 2014, 10:42PM
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well, I was at this game... and, to quote an oft repeated comment from kipper following a loss, "it was not fun".

on a different note, i was impressed by how much the coyotes fans were into this game. last time i was here in '07, the 'yotes fans were like a funeral. why do we have so many facepunchers and no punching?

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#5 RKD
January 07 2014, 10:42PM
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That was terrible, no excuse for that type of effort. This was not a competitive loss. I attended the Tampa game and there were a ton of empty seats. Rebuilding is painful, hope it pays big dividends down the road.

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#6 JayD54
January 07 2014, 10:46PM
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The situation can't be a total shock to Flames fans. We knew that there were going to be some dark and disappointing nights during the rebuild.

I, for one, would like to see the 'Abbottsford express' with a lot more traffic. Yeah, I know that this takes a lot more 'roster management', but lets have some exposure to some of those kids on the farm. We have seen some of Ben Street, some of Chad Billins and some of Max Reinhart. Injuries have given some nominal NHL time to Reinhart and Billins this season, but how about a shot for Corban Knight, Markus Granlund and/or Michael Ferland? Knight has some playmaking ability, size and has been a solid plus player in the AHL all year. Granlund is the skill guy you need to know if he can handle NHL defencemen. As for Ferland, he has the size, a decent touch around the net and a semblance of that 'truculence' (a word now established in the local hockey vocabulary) referenced by the acting GM. . .

Maybe the trade winds that will eventually blow through town will open up some spots and the Abbottsford Express might be more one way, but I suggest that these young players and the team will be the longer term beneficiary of some time on NHL ice.

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#7 T&A4Flames
January 07 2014, 11:00PM
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Is Granlund still up with the team? Are we ready to see if his offence translates at the NHL level yet?. Or does having 2 fourth lines still make more sense to this management/coaching group?

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#8 EugeneV
January 07 2014, 11:18PM
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Game ended 50.6% to 49.4% in Phoenix favor, so of course this means they EARNED their 6 - 0 WIN through the effects of Corsi, because Corsi is the be all end all stat the FN guys love.

Not those pesky goals that get in the way of winning the Corsi battle instead of winning on the scoreboard.

HaHaHa

I am trying to get a handle on these new fangled stats and I'll be checking Extra Skater every game to see if I can learn anything new. (I'm an old dog of 45 so I wouldn't count on it)

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#9 Carlizzle
January 07 2014, 11:23PM
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@T&A4Flames

Granlund was sent down the same day facepuncher #2 was acquired.

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#10 Karimeeloranta
January 07 2014, 11:24PM
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@T&A4Flames. We demoted Granlund when we acquired Westnilegarth. The horror, the horror.

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#11 Carlizzle
January 07 2014, 11:26PM
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Carlizzle wrote:

Granlund was sent down the same day facepuncher #2 was acquired.

Heh Heh, I said facepuncher #2 (literally)

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#12 Steve Parsons
January 08 2014, 12:00AM
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Being shut out 4/6 games is absolute garbage. Now, I'm very aware that it's a rebuild but this is getting beyond bad. Not sure what the answer is or if there is any, but you have to at least entertain the fans with SOMETHING. Watching TJ Galiardi get beat down in a 5-0 game with no recourse from either of our enforcers was the telling story here. This game was heartless to the core and it feels like there isn't a leader on this team that would step up like Iggy would if he saw that happen to TJ in a blown out game.

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#13 Carlizzle
January 08 2014, 12:34AM
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Steve Parsons wrote:

Being shut out 4/6 games is absolute garbage. Now, I'm very aware that it's a rebuild but this is getting beyond bad. Not sure what the answer is or if there is any, but you have to at least entertain the fans with SOMETHING. Watching TJ Galiardi get beat down in a 5-0 game with no recourse from either of our enforcers was the telling story here. This game was heartless to the core and it feels like there isn't a leader on this team that would step up like Iggy would if he saw that happen to TJ in a blown out game.

Amen. This reminds of the game when Stemp got suckered by Ference and there wasn't any retaliation. Again, as Steve Parsons, I fully understand that this is year 1 of the rebuild and there will be a lot of dark days, but nothing is being done to at least be competitive. The AHL'ers are staying put in favor of more truculence, not being able to get any NHL experience and the facepuncher that has been acquired isn't doing what his sole purpose for being acquired was, instead he is occupying space (10:35 and -3 tonight) of one the many players that could be called up from Abby to actually gain experience and try to contribute.

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#14 rhyno 365
January 08 2014, 02:06AM
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Maybe this is intentional??? A way to tank the season with out looking so obvious. The Islanders have caught there stride and is winning games as well as Florida. That leaves us Edmonton and Buffalo at the bottom. Looks like a lottery pick season.

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#15 Burnward
January 08 2014, 07:36AM
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It's almost trade time methinks. Christmas break is over, Olympic stuff is over...might be an interesting week or two.

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#16 CutterMcAwesome
January 08 2014, 08:32AM
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Noted Rodent.... that pretty much made my morning

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#17 mk
January 08 2014, 08:43AM
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Look at it this way folks - we're watching Flames history right now. This will probably be the worst Flames season ever (with the possible exception of next year).

"This date in Flames' history brought to you by..."

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#18 Graham
January 08 2014, 09:57AM
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If you keep essentially the same team next year, you will likely get similar results, so I suspect that Burke is going to be very active going into the trade line. The Flames need to aggressively sell into the trade deadline and acquire draft picks that can be packaged for NHL players going into the draft. I wouldn't put it past Burke to trade our first rounder if the price is right.

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#19 EddyBeers
January 08 2014, 10:13AM
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Perhaps this years first and possibly next years first for a young up and coming sniper. That could really accelerate the rebuild. What's the worst that could happen. I think Burke could really pull something like that off!

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#20 Rockmorton65
January 08 2014, 10:17AM
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@Graham

I agree we should be aggressive going into the deadline, but instead of just draft picks I think we should be looking at acquiring young players that, for what ever reason, don't want to be with their current teams (ie - disgruntled players or FA's that don't want to re-sign). For example, there are rumblings that Del Zotto is not happy with the Rangers. I'm sure there are/will be others.

If Burke wants to trade our first this year, I really hope he waits until after the lottery. If we were to win it, we could flip it for a kings ransom.

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#21 piscera.infada
January 08 2014, 10:28AM
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The problem I have with that is who would this "up and coming young sniper" be? It's not like teams are looking to get rid of a potential game breaker early in his career. If that were to happen the price would likely be prohibitively high (think Gaudreau, this year's first, next year's first).

All this assumes you mean "up and coming young sniper" who's already established himself in the league. It doesn't make a ton of sense to take a prospect who is likely to become an "up and coming young sniper" for even this year's first (assuming a top-three pick). Ideally, you could look at trading this year's first for a good young player, if you don't like any of the draft eligibles enough to think they're locks. No way you trade next year's though, as you'd have to be high to think that (short of luck) we'd be outside of a lottery pick. I've long been of the mind that if you can extract any first round picks in trade this year, why not try and make them 2015 first rounders? More balls in the lottery, more teams thinking they'll be better than they will, perhaps a little less perceived value in those picks at this time - all equals more McDavid/Eichel potential.

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#22 Baalzamon
January 08 2014, 10:35AM
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I'm pretty sure Eddy was alluding to the Kessel trade.

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#23 piscera.infada
January 08 2014, 10:42AM
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Ah! Right you are. Slow day at the office, I guess. My bad.

Point still stands though, do you actually think Burke is actually looking at something similar? I don't, but it's brought up so much that I'm not sure if the sarcasm has worn off, or if it's an actual expectation.

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#24 Kevin R
January 08 2014, 10:44AM
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Rockmorton65 wrote:

I agree we should be aggressive going into the deadline, but instead of just draft picks I think we should be looking at acquiring young players that, for what ever reason, don't want to be with their current teams (ie - disgruntled players or FA's that don't want to re-sign). For example, there are rumblings that Del Zotto is not happy with the Rangers. I'm sure there are/will be others.

If Burke wants to trade our first this year, I really hope he waits until after the lottery. If we were to win it, we could flip it for a kings ransom.

Or players like Gardiner or E Kane or even talk Yandle may be available. I guess depending what the asking price is. Our 1st rounders, Monahan, Gaudreau, Gilles should not be available. Everyone else & any acquired 1st rounders certainly should be.

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#25 Kevin R
January 08 2014, 10:48AM
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piscera.infada wrote:

The problem I have with that is who would this "up and coming young sniper" be? It's not like teams are looking to get rid of a potential game breaker early in his career. If that were to happen the price would likely be prohibitively high (think Gaudreau, this year's first, next year's first).

All this assumes you mean "up and coming young sniper" who's already established himself in the league. It doesn't make a ton of sense to take a prospect who is likely to become an "up and coming young sniper" for even this year's first (assuming a top-three pick). Ideally, you could look at trading this year's first for a good young player, if you don't like any of the draft eligibles enough to think they're locks. No way you trade next year's though, as you'd have to be high to think that (short of luck) we'd be outside of a lottery pick. I've long been of the mind that if you can extract any first round picks in trade this year, why not try and make them 2015 first rounders? More balls in the lottery, more teams thinking they'll be better than they will, perhaps a little less perceived value in those picks at this time - all equals more McDavid/Eichel potential.

Not that I disagree with your comments, but do you really seriously believe any GM at the NHL level right now would be willing to part with any 2015 1st for any of the rentals Calgary has to offer? 2014 1st's are your best bet & then mae package a few up at the June draft for a 2015 1st to try & catch a GM off guard trying to get a player in the heat of the moment. Draft day always gets mega hyped just like the TDL & that's where mistakes are made.

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#26 Baalzamon
January 08 2014, 10:49AM
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Indeed. As much as I dislike Burke, the reason he made the Kessel trade in the first place was because he thought they were closer to being competitive than they were. He was wrong, and it's alarming how badly he misjudged the team... but I don't think he's in danger of that with the Flames.

Certainly not yet, anyway...

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#27 piscera.infada
January 08 2014, 11:09AM
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No, I don't. It was a hypothetical (or pipe-dream, more accurately) just for the sake of illustrating that you don't give away your 2015 first rounder - also, that I don't think Burke will. I agree with you though, if Burke isn't enamored with anyone in the top-end of this draft, why wouldn't he try and turn that into something (ie: a young player/ready to go prospect, or a first in 2015). To me, it's also a matter of catching a team that thinks it's going to be better than it is. For example, you may have been able to part with something for a first from Toronto this year - they were clearly ramping up to go deeper in the playoffs.

I'm not saying the Flames currently have anyone on the roster that could fetch that kind of price. I was just speaking in theory, without actual heed paid to the team's current asset(s).

All this said, I'm not advocating trading this year's first rounder (especially with where it's likely to fall). I have no problem with Reinhart/Ekblad, I just hope it happens.

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#28 mattyc
January 08 2014, 11:15AM
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EugeneV wrote:

Game ended 50.6% to 49.4% in Phoenix favor, so of course this means they EARNED their 6 - 0 WIN through the effects of Corsi, because Corsi is the be all end all stat the FN guys love.

Not those pesky goals that get in the way of winning the Corsi battle instead of winning on the scoreboard.

HaHaHa

I am trying to get a handle on these new fangled stats and I'll be checking Extra Skater every game to see if I can learn anything new. (I'm an old dog of 45 so I wouldn't count on it)

Score Effects

Basically PHX stops actively trying to score/shoot a lot when they have a big lead (which leads to a higher % of shots coming from the Flames). This is why some filtered corsi/fenwick is used for evaluating teams (5v5 EV close, for example) over the long run.

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#29 ianberg1
January 08 2014, 11:55AM
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Silver lining: Cammallerri wasn't a minus so this game only slightly hurts his overall trade value!

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#30 clyde
January 08 2014, 11:56AM
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mattyc wrote:

Score Effects

Basically PHX stops actively trying to score/shoot a lot when they have a big lead (which leads to a higher % of shots coming from the Flames). This is why some filtered corsi/fenwick is used for evaluating teams (5v5 EV close, for example) over the long run.

So, Phoenix stopped trying to score? When? They didn't do a great job of it then.

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#31 mattyc
January 08 2014, 12:04PM
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clyde wrote:

So, Phoenix stopped trying to score? When? They didn't do a great job of it then.

I don't think its groundbreaking that teams sit back when they get a lead.

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#32 clyde
January 08 2014, 02:46PM
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mattyc wrote:

I don't think its groundbreaking that teams sit back when they get a lead.

So, someone filters these advanced stats because of an assumption? Phoenix had 17 third period shots and scored 3 goals in the last half of the third!

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#33 clyde
January 08 2014, 02:49PM
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mattyc wrote:

I don't think its groundbreaking that teams sit back when they get a lead.

So, someone filters these advanced stats because of an assumption? Phoenix had 17 third period shots and scored 3 goals in the last half of the third!

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#34 mattyc
January 08 2014, 03:06PM
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clyde wrote:

So, someone filters these advanced stats because of an assumption? Phoenix had 17 third period shots and scored 3 goals in the last half of the third!

science is based on assumptions.

Regardless of this singular game:

- The data strongly suggests that possession metrics have predictive ability.

- The data also strongly suggests that they are less predictive in situations where the game isn't really in question.

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#35 Burnward
January 08 2014, 04:40PM
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@mattyc

Advanced stats are not a science.

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#36 mattyc
January 08 2014, 05:38PM
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Burnward wrote:

Advanced stats are not a science.

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#37 Clyde
January 08 2014, 09:47PM
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mattyc wrote:

science is based on assumptions.

Regardless of this singular game:

- The data strongly suggests that possession metrics have predictive ability.

- The data also strongly suggests that they are less predictive in situations where the game isn't really in question.

Who is taking these stats and making these assumptions? Are they considering a change in forecheck system , neutral zone strategy with and without puck, score differential, etc?

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#38 EugeneV
January 09 2014, 08:09PM
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Clyde wrote:

Who is taking these stats and making these assumptions? Are they considering a change in forecheck system , neutral zone strategy with and without puck, score differential, etc?

Yes, Matty C you are correct, all stats are subjective within a random context depending on your own subjective reasoning.

Meaning all stats are subjective.

Except the list of Stanley Cup Champions.

I GUARANTEE that a team of Corsi monsters like Backlund with very limited scoring ability would not win the Cup.

I see that Blake Comeau has a Corsifor of 52.6% with only 44.8% Ozone starts with 3G- 8A =11Pts in 43 games (12 min/gm) against Backlund with a Corsifor of 49.2% in 43.8% Ozone starts 5G 12A in 43 games (16 min/gm).

So it's a stat. How you want to apply it is up to you. Or me.

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