Post-Game: That's Five

Ryan Pike
February 01 2014 11:48PM


(photo courtesy Mashable.com)

It was Western Night at the Scotiabank Saddledome on Saturday night. It was celebrated with a cowboy hat giveaway and Paul Brandt.

Oh, and a home win. (Yes, another one.)

After being not that good at all at home, the Calgary Flames won their fifth straight game (and fifth at home) over the visiting Minnesota Wild in overtime by a 4-3 score. It was, in many ways, an old fashioned Wild West shootout.

And rather randomly, Kris Russell was a late scratch in favour of Chris Breen due to an upper-body issue.

THE RUNDOWN

The first period was rather even, with both squads getting some sustained pressure but neither side dominating. Calgary has slightly more shots at 7-6, but also were a bit more opportunistic and got the lead mid-way through the first. T.J. Galiardi, recently demoted to the 4th line with the return of Mike Cammalleri, scored just his second goal of the season. Twas a bit of an odd goal, created by a nice feed from Kevin Westgarth. In less fun news, de facto Flames number-one goalie Karri Ramo left the game late in the first with an apparent lower body injury.

Perhaps bolstered by Ramo's exit or their own strong play, but the Flames wildly out-chanced and out-worked the Wld in the middle period. They out-shot the Wild by a gigantic 18-4 margin. They blew their tenuous 1-0 lead via a Matt Cooke short-handed laser-beam, but regained the lead soon after as Dennis Wideman scored, redirecting a Chris Butler shot from the point - Galiardi also got an assist - just after a Wild penalty expired.

The Flames began the third killing a penalty, as Lance Bouma got nabbed for hooking seconds into the period. That penalty was followed by Mikael Backlund's 12th goal of the season (a shortie), giving the Flames a 3-1 lead via driving the net on a rebound on a short-handed 3-on-1. After that, the Wild began pressing. And pressing. And pressing. They dominated shots in the period by a 12-4 margin. Just when Flames fandom was thinking "Hey, will Reto Berra actually get a regulation win?", the hockey gods laughed and said "No!"

The Wild pulled within one on the power-play via a Dany Heatley marker. Then, with just over 4 minutes left, the Wild tied things up at 3-3 via a Keith Ballard shot and some contact between Heatley and Reto Berra. The Flames were unable to regain the lead, and so we went onwards to overtime.

And in overtime, Reto Berra's wacky extra-time record continued. Just a couple minutes into overtime, Mikael Backlund scored his second of the game (and fifth in the last six games) to ice things for the Flames.

WHY THE FLAMES WON

They were generally better than the Wild five-on-five, generated a lot more shots on net (by a 32-23 margin) and survived some scares, such as blowing a two-goal lead in the third period. They probably won't win games by relying on skill - and they didn't tonight against Minnesota - but they win by bringing their working boots, and that was the case again tonight.

Also worth noting: in every game since the fights at Rogers Arena, the Flames out-hit their opposition. They also won the shot-blocking battle.

RED WARRIOR

It's tempting to give to Backlund again, but let's go with Mark Giordano. Gio played 28:50, leading the Flames, and also had two assists and six shots on net.

Honourable mention to Reto Berra, who came into the game in relief and still does not have a regulation win in his National Hockey League career. He's won 7 times - 4 times in the shootout and 3 times in overtime. Weird.

SUM IT UP

The Flames have won five in a row! That's their longest winning streak since March 6-15, 2012. The boys get tomorrow off to revel in their strong effort (and result), eat nachos and watch the SuperBowl. They're on the road until the Olympic break, starting a three-game road trip off on Tuesday night at Bell Centre in Montreal for a tilt with the Canadiens. Always a fun team to play against.

Five in a row! How about that?

 

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Ryan Pike is a Calgary native and FlamesNation's managing editor. He's covered the Flames and the NHL since 2010. His work can also be found at The Hockey Writers and The Wrestling Observer.
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#1 aloudoun
February 02 2014, 12:03AM
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It seems not to long ago that Backlund would never drive the net off the boards like he did to score that OT goal. LOVE IT.

Now lets have some patience with Sven.

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#2 T&A4Flames
February 02 2014, 12:07AM
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I wonder if Ortio gets the call. If so, will he get a start?

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#3 Joe
February 02 2014, 12:20AM
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Five! I don't mind the winning at all. Draft picks must be an afterthought to winning. Great to watch.

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#4 Doc
February 02 2014, 12:42AM
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I strongly suggest reading oiler nation PFD blog responses. Pure despondence. Absolute fissure in the fan base. Strikingly good reading.

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#5 loudogYYC
February 02 2014, 02:17AM
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@aloudoun

Very well said man. Baertschi's got way too much skill and potential to even consider giving up on him, he just has to figure it out and grow up a bit. A lot of us were pretty immature at 20.

Great win! My boy Backlund with another 2 goals to go with his usual strong play.

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#6 coachedpotatoe
February 02 2014, 07:54AM
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Another win, another strong game by the captain, another step forward for Backs. There are a couple of players I want to give big props to, one is Butler 2 assists and he went after Cooke for his cheap shot on Brodie, the second is Brodie; what a delight to watch him skate and get the team out of trouble in a number of situations.

Louddog and chillgoose mentioned having patience with Sven this gives me the perfect chance to give the news from Abbotsford; the Heat won 4-1 Ortio with the win(depending on the nature of Ramo's injury how can we not see him), Sven had an assist last night, Granlund 1 and 1,Rhino 1 goal, Jooris a goal and Billins with an assist. It seems Sven is starting to pick his play up but part of it is he is playing with another skilled guy Granlund and a hardworking(sorry WW)guy with some skills Rhino,hopefully they continue their good play.

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#7 ChinookArch
February 02 2014, 08:17AM
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Doc wrote:

I strongly suggest reading oiler nation PFD blog responses. Pure despondence. Absolute fissure in the fan base. Strikingly good reading.

Thanks for the tip, I just read the last bunch in the UNACCEPTABLE post. Comment 125 is pure gold. Reading that reminded me of all the Oiler fans that asked if I'd be willing to trade their teams future with the Flames future over the last 4 years.

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#8 Primo
February 02 2014, 08:26AM
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Thank you Grats and Westgarth! Your true value is showing. Ever since the Vancouver game you made my timid Flames a brave team. They play with confidence and as long as you are in the line up they know you have there back and they play like big men.

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#9 Daves Waves
February 02 2014, 08:31AM
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it says Mickis is projected to score 16 goals this season. to that, i scoff and say, more like 30 (one can dream!). absolutely love his energy and offensive swag right now. he's got like what, 5g 8pts in 4 games? crazy.

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#10 coachedpotatoe
February 02 2014, 08:43AM
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Primo wrote:

Thank you Grats and Westgarth! Your true value is showing. Ever since the Vancouver game you made my timid Flames a brave team. They play with confidence and as long as you are in the line up they know you have there back and they play like big men.

And the great debate continues, how valuable are McG and Westgarth? Last night Westgarth got an assist and he and McG played less than 3 minutes each. Neither of them on there few shifts had a discussion with Cooke for his cheap shot on Brodie, it was Butler. Even during the losing streak I did not see this team as timid just overmatched. Bouma has never been timid and now Colborne is a winger he is more effective. Can some of the turn round be attributed to Vancouver absolutely but lets not forget we have gotten a lot healthier since then as well. I don't believe that guys sitting on the bench really help other players create space, I do believe that both these guys are great team guys who help the team atmosphere and for that they deserve credit. I would be okay with them being given more ice time to see if they contribute more to team; however it seems that Hartley does not trust them enough to play much more. Ideally I would like to see them play more like Bouma(I think his play contributes as much or more to the team toughness than either of the other 2) and if they did you would not get complaints from me.

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#11 Primo
February 02 2014, 08:53AM
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And the great debate continues, how valuable are McG and Westgarth? Last night Westgarth got an assist and he and McG played less than 3 minutes each. Neither of them on there few shifts had a discussion with Cooke for his cheap shot on Brodie, it was Butler. Even during the losing streak I did not see this team as timid just overmatched. Bouma has never been timid and now Colborne is a winger he is more effective. Can some of the turn round be attributed to Vancouver absolutely but lets not forget we have gotten a lot healthier since then as well. I don't believe that guys sitting on the bench really help other players create space, I do believe that both these guys are great team guys who help the team atmosphere and for that they deserve credit. I would be okay with them being given more ice time to see if they contribute more to team; however it seems that Hartley does not trust them enough to play much more. Ideally I would like to see them play more like Bouma(I think his play contributes as much or more to the team toughness than either of the other 2) and if they did you would not get complaints from me.

My friend like I said BEFORE the Vancouver game the actual game actually commences in the dressing room 1 hour prior to the face-off. The coach hands off too each player the opposing teams game lineup! The names on that card, wether they play 2-3 minutes or wether they score 3 goals per year is irrelevant. This is the NHL and you better have size and toughness in your line up. I totally understand Burke's strategy.

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#12 Bean-counting cowboy
February 02 2014, 08:57AM
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Joe wrote:

Five! I don't mind the winning at all. Draft picks must be an afterthought to winning. Great to watch.

Agreed. More important to teach these young guys how to win. Look at Edm. Lots of weeping & wailing up there right now

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#13 coachedpotatoe
February 02 2014, 09:17AM
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Primo wrote:

My friend like I said BEFORE the Vancouver game the actual game actually commences in the dressing room 1 hour prior to the face-off. The coach hands off too each player the opposing teams game lineup! The names on that card, wether they play 2-3 minutes or wether they score 3 goals per year is irrelevant. This is the NHL and you better have size and toughness in your line up. I totally understand Burke's strategy.

You are absolutely right that the coach sets the atmosphere for his team and it's up to the players either to buy in or not.Burke and Hartley seem to be on the same page and that helps.I'm not against being able to be physical as it is part of the NHL, but at some point those players have to be able to play all three zones and play more than 5 minutes a game if you want to become an elite team. We talk on this site about Monahan being sheltered but these NHL vets are even more sheltered.

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#14 prendrefeu
February 02 2014, 09:26AM
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Doc wrote:

I strongly suggest reading oiler nation PFD blog responses. Pure despondence. Absolute fissure in the fan base. Strikingly good reading.

My hand got tired from liking all of the comments.

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#15 Primo
February 02 2014, 09:28AM
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@coachedpotatoe

Not all players need to play all 3 zones as you say...Stanley Cup champions always have a number of ROLE players assigned specific duties. Not all could play 3 zones and score consistently but contribute enough to ensure the goal scorers are able play there game and the end result is a win.

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#16 Primo
February 02 2014, 09:33AM
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prendrefeu wrote:

My hand got tired from liking all of the comments.

I agree! I actually make the occasional contribution on ON just to keep things sizzling. They are really pissed up there!

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#17 Colin.S
February 02 2014, 09:38AM
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Primo wrote:

My friend like I said BEFORE the Vancouver game the actual game actually commences in the dressing room 1 hour prior to the face-off. The coach hands off too each player the opposing teams game lineup! The names on that card, wether they play 2-3 minutes or wether they score 3 goals per year is irrelevant. This is the NHL and you better have size and toughness in your line up. I totally understand Burke's strategy.

Explain to me how when guys like Toews, Kane or any of Chicago's top 9 would be intimidated by the lineup card. They see it, and they know 100% they will never be matched up against our goon squad, they also know that those guys are playing max 6-7 minutes a night. They are not scared or intimidated looking at a lineup card I can guarantee that. They know that McGratton and Westgarth are not going to touch anyone that isn't Chicago's designated goon anyways.

Again, I agree that whatever happened in Vancouver probably brought the room together in some sort of capacity, more the crap that happened between periods rather than in the first IMO. However there has been a lot of other things happening the last five games that better explain our winning streak. The return of some injured players, most importantly Russell, Backlund with 8 points in his last 5 games(Also playing more than 22 minutes regularily, he only did it once before the Vancouver game), Giordano ridding a 9 game point streak as well as the rest of the Defence putting up a bunch of points(like Brodie/Wideman). I could almost guarantee that if the Olympic selections were done now, Gio would make it over Hamhuis. Also Ramo has looked like an NHL goalie which helps a ton, before this last little stetch our goaltending has been less than average to be nice.

I think the team might be a tighter group after the Vancouver debacle, however there is some actual REAL events that better explain our recent success. Things like playing good forwards more than bad ones, healthy defence, average to better than average goaltending and a little bit of luck. There is no way that a line brawl in Vancouver is the ONLY reason we are suddenly on a 5 game winning streak, if that were the case why don't we see one in Edmonton every 3rd game to try to stop the losing, or in New York or Florida???

We have a capable top 4 defence, if we could pick up a couple of upgrades in our top 6/9 forwards and had reliable better than average goaltending I believe we could easily be challenging for the 7th/8th playoff spot with how weak those teams have looked. We'd get there with a better team, NOT more fighting. In fact you have to go to #14 on teams with most fights to find one of the best teams in the west, heck the 2nd best team in the league only has 8 fights on the year.

Fighting =/= winning.

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#18 Primo
February 02 2014, 09:49AM
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Hey everyone great posts/discussions today...fyi all of the 2014 Superbowl commercials are on this website in case you were not aware...happy Superbowl Sunday!!

http://www.superbowl-commercials.org/cat/2014

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#19 The Last Big Bear
February 02 2014, 09:53AM
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Reto Berra is the worst goalie in the NHL today.

Discuss.

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#20 John
February 02 2014, 10:21AM
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I guess winning meanless games is more important for the Flames right now than drafting an elite player. Because the Flames have ton of skilled players, right? Because Cammie and Hudler do not need to be replaced, right? Because drafting Ekblad or Bennett wouldn't help this team, right? Would you trade Monahan for McKinnon? If the answer is yes, the draft position is very important for the flames. Edmonton sucks because they didn't protect their young players by having veterans playing the tougher minutes. Whereas Calgary is not doing that. Winning meaningful games are important, ie playoffs, winning to let Florida, and other teams to draft ahead of you is stupid.

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#21 Jeff In Lethbridge
February 02 2014, 10:31AM
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The Last Big Bear wrote:

Reto Berra is the worst goalie in the NHL today.

Discuss.

no discusion required. ;-)

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#22 Frank Miron
February 02 2014, 10:41AM
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Wooooo 5 in a row !!! Can't wait to see my Flames for the first time ever at the Bell Centre next tuesday... will wear the road jersey with pride !

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#23 Derzie
February 02 2014, 10:43AM
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The owner of the sad-sack Oilers lives in the 80s. The Gretzky effect has turned California into a hockey mecca and Edmonton into a perennial loser. A bunch of fortunate (or unfortunate) beneficiaries of Gretzky's (and Messier's) reign. If Kevin Lowe playing for the Hartford Whalers in the 80s, he is running a bottle depot now. A near bankrupt one. Due to the #99 effect, everyone who played in his wake is a false idol (6 rings, knows about winning, etc.) Until teams (like Shelbyville) embrace the present and file the past away, they are doomed to chase it. Just like the middle aged guy who for a fleeting moment had a date with a girl way out of his league, a lifetime is spent with false bravado and hope. Here in Calgary, the trading of Iginla allowed us to start on the new era. And that starts with new management at the top. I still worry about Ken King but for now, he is not in the way of our rebuild. Edmonton will know things have changed when there is NO ONE from the Gretzky effect glory days involved with the team. Not a moment sooner. Maybe site maven Wanye Gretz should start the trend with a new handle. Just to show the way.

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#24 Primo
February 02 2014, 10:45AM
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John wrote:

I guess winning meanless games is more important for the Flames right now than drafting an elite player. Because the Flames have ton of skilled players, right? Because Cammie and Hudler do not need to be replaced, right? Because drafting Ekblad or Bennett wouldn't help this team, right? Would you trade Monahan for McKinnon? If the answer is yes, the draft position is very important for the flames. Edmonton sucks because they didn't protect their young players by having veterans playing the tougher minutes. Whereas Calgary is not doing that. Winning meaningful games are important, ie playoffs, winning to let Florida, and other teams to draft ahead of you is stupid.

I understand what you are saying and I have really struggled with the dilemma the Flames are in. Although Iunderstnd the next 2 years are critical for drafting I revert to winning today. At the end of the day I look at the Oiler model of purposely tanking in order to gain draft position i.e. Taylor Hall, RNH and Yak. Now they are stuck in a life time of instilling a winning culture! All the losing has actually screwed up Gagne and Eberle as well as potentially the 1st overalls I mentioned above.

I go back to our 5 game win streak and say keep kit going! I look to Burkes experience and trade savvy to build sooner and avoid an Oiler rebuild strategy!

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#25 Kent Wilson
February 02 2014, 10:50AM
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I'll put something in my random thoughts bit about the Flames turn-around and the fight.

For now, let's just drink in the good times.

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#26 Bring Back Tim Hunter
February 02 2014, 10:52AM
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Not a big fan of Berra, Cook's goal was weak. Flames can't afford bad goals with this team. Ramo is much more consistent. Hope Ramo's injury isn't serious. Also got to agree with most comments, Backlund and Bouma have been great lately. And finally, when do we start worrying that Russel isn't signed yet??

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#27 loudogYYC
February 02 2014, 11:03AM
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@John

Dude, there's 27 games left in the season and we're likely gonna trade two 15:00+ forwards and a 19:00 Dman. They won't be climbing up the standings chasing a wild card playoff spot, relax.

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#28 cornhusk
February 02 2014, 11:18AM
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John wrote:

I guess winning meanless games is more important for the Flames right now than drafting an elite player. Because the Flames have ton of skilled players, right? Because Cammie and Hudler do not need to be replaced, right? Because drafting Ekblad or Bennett wouldn't help this team, right? Would you trade Monahan for McKinnon? If the answer is yes, the draft position is very important for the flames. Edmonton sucks because they didn't protect their young players by having veterans playing the tougher minutes. Whereas Calgary is not doing that. Winning meaningful games are important, ie playoffs, winning to let Florida, and other teams to draft ahead of you is stupid.

Better to see your team loose? You sir are not a fan of the Calgary Flames. You may be a fan of winning, and maybe the best plan you can come up with is just to suck. Yes Ekblad would be nice but whats better is seeing your team working hard, trying there best and having a little sucess the honest way.

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#29 Reggie 'Let'em in' Lemelin
February 02 2014, 11:28AM
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It's pretty sad when Westgarth is one of our better players. Many tough years ahead for this franchise.

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#30 Teamsupreme
February 02 2014, 11:37AM
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Did anybody else see Baertchi's assists his last two games? Holy guacamole does that kid have some mitts. I'd be embarrassingly sad if he got lost in his development and didn't land in flames silks.

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#31 Kent Wilson
February 02 2014, 11:46AM
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@Reggie 'Let'em in' Lemelin

That's pretty bizarre statement right there.

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#32 Carlizzle
February 02 2014, 11:54AM
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The Last Big Bear wrote:

Reto Berra is the worst goalie in the NHL today.

Discuss.

Absolutely Unberrable!

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#33 SB
February 02 2014, 12:29PM
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Please bring up Ortio to see what he has to offer in the NHL. It would be better that Ramo is the one hurt so we can have a challange for the back up spot with Berra and Ortio. Time to move on with Berra as he is what he is period. If someone is better then let him leap frog Berra.

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#34 FlamesRule
February 02 2014, 01:25PM
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The Last Big Bear wrote:

Reto Berra is the worst goalie in the NHL today.

Discuss.

I think you're confusing Berra with Dubnyk

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#35 KiLLKiND
February 02 2014, 02:11PM
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The Last Big Bear wrote:

Reto Berra is the worst goalie in the NHL today.

Discuss.

No way Reto Berra is the worst he has some bad habits and is out of position often by overplaying but these are issues that can easily be fixed. He has very good reflexes I think better naturally than Ramo however he really needs to work on his technical game. You can't even try and say he is the worst backup in the league with Poulin playing or Mcelhinney or even Zatkoff.

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#36 Stan
February 02 2014, 02:23PM
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Seriously? No love for Gali in the red warrior? The guy got stuck with tweedle dee and tweedle dum on the first line and STILL had a goal and an assist. Yes, Westgarth had a nice assist on his goal, but that backhand top shelf was a thing of beauty. Its great to see a guy who works as hard as he does get rewarded, its just too bad no one here recognized it.

Also, got to love how this team is banding together and sticking up for one another. Butler going STRAIGHT after Cooke was awesome. Colborne challenged Cooke later in the game and apparently so did Hudler. Thats awesome to see. Too bad Cooke is a huge puss and wouldn't fight. That hit on Brodie was dirty and late.

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#37 Stan
February 02 2014, 02:23PM
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Stan wrote:

Seriously? No love for Gali in the red warrior? The guy got stuck with tweedle dee and tweedle dum on the first line and STILL had a goal and an assist. Yes, Westgarth had a nice assist on his goal, but that backhand top shelf was a thing of beauty. Its great to see a guy who works as hard as he does get rewarded, its just too bad no one here recognized it.

Also, got to love how this team is banding together and sticking up for one another. Butler going STRAIGHT after Cooke was awesome. Colborne challenged Cooke later in the game and apparently so did Hudler. Thats awesome to see. Too bad Cooke is a huge puss and wouldn't fight. That hit on Brodie was dirty and late.

Meant fourth line, not first lol

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#38 EugeneV
February 02 2014, 02:34PM
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cornhusk wrote:

Better to see your team loose? You sir are not a fan of the Calgary Flames. You may be a fan of winning, and maybe the best plan you can come up with is just to suck. Yes Ekblad would be nice but whats better is seeing your team working hard, trying there best and having a little sucess the honest way.

So you have enjoyed the last 24 years of the Flames "trying their best, and having VERY little sucksess then?"

What would be ok is the Tampa Bay model where they suck for a 2 seasons and end up with Stamkos and Hedman make the playoffs, then suck for a year and end up with Drouin. The lightning have lost Stamkos and Lecavalier from last year and sent Drouin and back to junior and are still in the playoffs.

What's wrong with us losing for a year or 2?

As long as the team are still progressing it is still possible to lose and not end up with the culture up north. Edmonton's problem is self entitlement based on Gretzky and Messier's accomplishments and not letting go of them.

What have the Cup rings someone else won for him done for Lowe?

We (the Flames) need some elite young players, at least a couple and the easiest way to get them is by sucking for a year or 2. Not for years and years like the Oil did.

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#39 Colin
February 02 2014, 02:37PM
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loudogYYC wrote:

Dude, there's 27 games left in the season and we're likely gonna trade two 15:00+ forwards and a 19:00 Dman. They won't be climbing up the standings chasing a wild card playoff spot, relax.

Not only that, but after 5 straight wins, we are not close to getting out of the bottom five teams in the NHL, there is an 8 or 9 point gap still between us and the rest of the group. We'd have to win another 5 straight and those teams lose 5 straight for us to catch up. As nice as this 5 game stretch has been, it's not going to last forever. We are still going to pick anywhere from 3-6(we are not getting 1-2 unless we win the lottery, Buffalo and Edmonton are another world of bad compared to us).

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#40 cornhusk
February 02 2014, 03:02PM
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EugeneV wrote:

So you have enjoyed the last 24 years of the Flames "trying their best, and having VERY little sucksess then?"

What would be ok is the Tampa Bay model where they suck for a 2 seasons and end up with Stamkos and Hedman make the playoffs, then suck for a year and end up with Drouin. The lightning have lost Stamkos and Lecavalier from last year and sent Drouin and back to junior and are still in the playoffs.

What's wrong with us losing for a year or 2?

As long as the team are still progressing it is still possible to lose and not end up with the culture up north. Edmonton's problem is self entitlement based on Gretzky and Messier's accomplishments and not letting go of them.

What have the Cup rings someone else won for him done for Lowe?

We (the Flames) need some elite young players, at least a couple and the easiest way to get them is by sucking for a year or 2. Not for years and years like the Oil did.

Players on Tampa Bay that Calgary Flames could have Drafted regardless of picking 1st or 30th Palat 208th, Gudas 66th, Killron 77th, Kucherov 58th. St. Louis was here and then left. Its not so much where you draft, but who. If your issue whith the Flames is the way the team has been run over the last 25 years then fine, but to be upset with the team for having a little success and being fun to watch for the first time in 5 years is sad. Easier to get high end talent by drafting high? Yes, but not the only way. Tampa is currently a good team and Stamkos and Drouin are not on it right now. Draft well and all is well.

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#41 EugeneV
February 02 2014, 03:47PM
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Players on Tampa Bay that Calgary Flames could have Drafted regardless of picking 1st or 30th Palat 208th, Gudas 66th, Killron 77th, Kucherov 58th. St. Louis was here and then left. Its not so much where you draft, but who. If your issue whith the Flames is the way the team has been run over the last 25 years then fine, but to be upset with the team for having a little success and being fun to watch for the first time in 5 years is sad. Easier to get high end talent by drafting high? Yes, but not the only way. Tampa is currently a good team and Stamkos and Drouin are not on it right now. Draft well and all is well.

Yes, but I want to win Cups.

How must it feel to be a Nucks fan and have nothing to show for it?

Yes history has shown that "elite" players CAN be drafted in any round or never even drafted like St. Louis, but that is just luck and hope.

The Blues made the playoffs for 25 straight years like from 1979 - 2004 and not a cup to show for it. Why not? They had Hull n Oates after all. Well the fact is other teams were better. I want some of what has all Gary B's teams have. Elite talent. TRULY elite talent. Toews , Crosby , Malkin, Stamkos etc not "pretend" elite talent like Hall n the Nuge.

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#42 Anar Saju
February 02 2014, 03:50PM
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Nice win and the Flames really worked hard for it; nevertheless there were subtle flaws.

- Giving up a short handed goal - Unnecessary aggressiveness that led to man advantage for the opposition, who scored one power play goal.

This was the second time the opposition has scored a short handed goal against the Flames.

That said, there was a lot of energy by the Flames players and Reto Berra had been good.

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#43 SmellOfVictory
February 02 2014, 03:55PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

That's pretty bizarre statement right there.

He watched Westgarth make the single good play of his career during that game and is using 10 seconds of hockey as a frame of reference for the entire statement.

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#44 Carlizzle
February 02 2014, 03:58PM
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Any updates on Ramo?

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#46 FlamesRule
February 02 2014, 04:49PM
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@EugeneV

"What's wrong with us losing for a year or 2?"

Absolutely nothing, as long as we're playing to win. Playing to lose is for losers!

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#47 BurningSensation
February 02 2014, 07:01PM
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The Last Big Bear wrote:

Reto Berra is the worst goalie in the NHL today.

Discuss.

Below average? Definitely.

Worst? ....No.

Dubnyk is worse. So is 'The Monster'.

Some good things visible in Berra's game. He might be a decent backup with time.

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#48 Monaertchi Gaudnett
February 02 2014, 07:11PM
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Colin.S wrote:

Explain to me how when guys like Toews, Kane or any of Chicago's top 9 would be intimidated by the lineup card. They see it, and they know 100% they will never be matched up against our goon squad, they also know that those guys are playing max 6-7 minutes a night. They are not scared or intimidated looking at a lineup card I can guarantee that. They know that McGratton and Westgarth are not going to touch anyone that isn't Chicago's designated goon anyways.

Again, I agree that whatever happened in Vancouver probably brought the room together in some sort of capacity, more the crap that happened between periods rather than in the first IMO. However there has been a lot of other things happening the last five games that better explain our winning streak. The return of some injured players, most importantly Russell, Backlund with 8 points in his last 5 games(Also playing more than 22 minutes regularily, he only did it once before the Vancouver game), Giordano ridding a 9 game point streak as well as the rest of the Defence putting up a bunch of points(like Brodie/Wideman). I could almost guarantee that if the Olympic selections were done now, Gio would make it over Hamhuis. Also Ramo has looked like an NHL goalie which helps a ton, before this last little stetch our goaltending has been less than average to be nice.

I think the team might be a tighter group after the Vancouver debacle, however there is some actual REAL events that better explain our recent success. Things like playing good forwards more than bad ones, healthy defence, average to better than average goaltending and a little bit of luck. There is no way that a line brawl in Vancouver is the ONLY reason we are suddenly on a 5 game winning streak, if that were the case why don't we see one in Edmonton every 3rd game to try to stop the losing, or in New York or Florida???

We have a capable top 4 defence, if we could pick up a couple of upgrades in our top 6/9 forwards and had reliable better than average goaltending I believe we could easily be challenging for the 7th/8th playoff spot with how weak those teams have looked. We'd get there with a better team, NOT more fighting. In fact you have to go to #14 on teams with most fights to find one of the best teams in the west, heck the 2nd best team in the league only has 8 fights on the year.

Fighting =/= winning.

Since I cam only give 1 prop, Ill just have to quote it and prop it again.

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#49 Jordan34
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I have been wanting to watch the 04 playoffs again. I looked on google to see if its on DVD or anything can't find it. Anyone know where or how I can relive "the run"?

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EugeneV wrote:

Yes, but I want to win Cups.

How must it feel to be a Nucks fan and have nothing to show for it?

Yes history has shown that "elite" players CAN be drafted in any round or never even drafted like St. Louis, but that is just luck and hope.

The Blues made the playoffs for 25 straight years like from 1979 - 2004 and not a cup to show for it. Why not? They had Hull n Oates after all. Well the fact is other teams were better. I want some of what has all Gary B's teams have. Elite talent. TRULY elite talent. Toews , Crosby , Malkin, Stamkos etc not "pretend" elite talent like Hall n the Nuge.

Did I miss something or did you just counter your own arguement. You want to draft high for elite talent but you don't want "pretend" elite like Hall or RNH who were 1st overalls?

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