Cammalleri Trade Scenarios: Pittsburgh

Christian Roatis
February 28 2014 09:50AM


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About a year ago, the town was buzzing about a potential Flame being dealt at the deadline to the Pittsburgh Penguins to play on Sidney Crosby's wing - like he did in 2010 - and help the Pens to a Stanley Cup. The one generating that buzz was of course long-time captain and icon Jarome Iginla. Sure enough, in bizarre fashion, Iginla was shipped to the Steel City.

Now, just under a year later, the Penguins appear to be right in the thick of things relating to acquiring a Flames rental sniper at the deadline, once again. This time, it's Mike Cammalleri. At first glance it seems like an odd fit for a number of reasons, but if we look a little deeper, this may actually be a scenario which makes sense for both teams.

Why Pittsburgh?

They have a hole on one of Crosby's wings - with Pascal Dupuis out for the year with an injury - and they have a wealth of quality prospects (even without Hanowski and Agostino! Imagine that!).

Pascal Dupuis has been a staple on the Penguins top line along side Olympic Gold medalists Crosby and Chris Kunitz for a number of seasons, and now finds himself sidelined with a season ending knee injury. That leaves a pretty big hole on the right side on the Pens' top line. Cammalleri has pulled a little right wing duty in his career, although not a ton. You'd think he'd be an upgrade over the current resident in that spot - Brian Gibbons. Never heard of him? Exactly. I'm not sure if the Penguins want to give up considerable assets for a few months of a rental again, but an upgrade on that right side is desperately needed, no doubt.

The Return

Note: The scenario is only referring to the type of pick and quality of prospect in it. The specific prospects I list are only examples of the caliber mentioned.

Best Case Scenario:

2014 1st Round Pick + B/C Prospect (ex: Oskar Sundqvist, Anton Zlobin, Jake Guentzel)

The Penguins' 1st in 2013 went to the Flames in the Iginla deal and turned into Morgan Klimchuk, which I'm sure Calgary is very satisfied with. I'm sure they'd like to try that again this year and try extracting another Top 30 selection from Ray Shero and company. However, I doubt they're successful for a number of reasons, primarily being that if Pittsburgh gives up their first this year, they wouldn't pick until the 3rd round (their 2nd went to San Jose in the Doug Murray deal). It is a weak draft, but not choosing in the Top 60 is not something the Pens looking favourably on, I'm sure.

The Penguins have no shortage of B/C prospects, as they proved last year when they pulled Agostino and Hanowski out of nowhere. Oskar Sundqvist may be a prospect which strikes the Flames fancy, being a big, responsible centerman. The six-foot-three faceoff taker has played 46 games in the SHL this year and registered 14 points in those contests - very respectable numbers for a 19 year old in that league. Skating may be an issue with Sundqvist, but such tools can be taught and groomed as the player develops. Anton Zlobin has an awesome name and scored the Memorial Cup winning goal for Shawinigan a few years ago, padding some recognition to his name. Zlobin plays the right side, an area of weakness in the Flames system (where they have Emile Poirier, Ben Hanowski and not much else), and would also infuse more skill and creativity into the farm. After a decade of farm hands as prospects, you can never have enough skill! Zlobin is a tad undersized at five-foot-11 but weighs in at a respectable 198. He has 10 points in 30 AHL games as a rookie. Jake Guentzel is an interesting name because he reminds me a bit of Johnny Gaudreau - except less awesome. He's small at five-foot-10, 157 pounds, but ripped up the USHL before going to college and almost scoring a point per game as a freshman. He has 25 points in 30 games, although just four snipes. He's the "anti-Burke" ideal of a player, but those numbers as an undersized, freshman centerman are impressive.

Realistic Scenario

2014 3rd Round Pick + A/B Prospect (ex: Scott Harrington, Simon Despres, Brian Dumoulin)

Now, before you shred me apart, just know that if the pick is not a first rounder, Burke is going to want a quality prospect, and that's what these guys listed above are.

Scott Harrington is in his rookie AHL season this year and is a solid, solid 2-way defenseman. A solid skater and puck mover, Harrington is not awfully offensively inclined. The six-foot-one, 203-pound blueliner excels best in the defensive zone, shutting down opponents and neutralizing scoring chances against. He's basically Tyler Wotherspoon, actually. Of Pittsburgh's big pool of defenseman, he may the one they'd most likely part with, with Brian Dumoulin probably being the other. The big, six-foot-three defender was brought to Pittsburgh in the Jordan Staal deal and has been solid at both the AHL and NHL level. At 22, Dumoulin is NHL ready now and brings both offensive and defensive qualities to the ice. Simon Despres may be a pipe dream, along with Derrick Pouliot (the other top gun defensive prospect; not listed), because of his high ceiling. Despres was a 30th overall pick in 2009 and has shown strong offensive ability. He already has 69 NHL games under his belt, 18 of them this year, and I think the Penguins envision him as a member of their club moving forward, even more so now with Kris Letang's status unknown.

Sum It Up

A deal sending Cammalleri to Pittsburgh seems very plausible, in fact I see it being a destination that makes a lot of sense. The price tag for a Moulson or Vanek rental would probably be way to much to swallow for Ray Shero so still acquiring a quality sniper like Cammalleri would make sense. Given the wealth of prospects they sit on, dealing with the Penguins looks to be a good idea for the Flames too. "A 5-foot-9 rental with concussion history for THAT price?! Are you nuts?!"

Well that's the market right now and if the return isn't relatively hefty like broken down above, Cammalleri will be lining up for the Calgary Flames on March 5th, because Brian Burke is not just going to be giving him away.

Other Cammalleri Trade Scenarios

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Christian Roatis is a European by birth, Calgarian by heart. Other than writing at FlamesNation, he writes about and scouts NHL Draft Prospects at Future Considerations. Follow him on Twitter @CRoatis!
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#51 negrilcowboy
March 01 2014, 06:04AM
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both buffalo and st louis win in this deal. millwer has the edge over halak, ott has truculence and is tough to play against. buffalo gains a first rounder and possibly a second first round pick, adding to the stable of fine young prospects. if the sabres exercise the isles pick this year, they may have the first 2 picks. addition of ekblad to rustolainen and the big russian looks to be a solid solid backend.

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#52 coachedpotatoe
March 01 2014, 06:41AM
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Heat lose 4-3 in the shoot out. WW favorite Rhino with 2 goals, Sven had 1 and 1. The Buffalo/St L trade is more our less a saw off until you see what Buffalo drafts; if they get a grade A player they win, if not and St L wins the cup they win. More importantly for us as Flames fans will this cause other contenders to possibly over pay for the likes of Cammi, Stemp, or Hudler now that they see StL going all in(I wonder if they are done, I will have to check capgeek)

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#53 TheoForever
March 01 2014, 08:30AM
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I liked Feaster, thought he was a nice guy and did some good things when comes to drafting, hiring people and making Flames a nicer team to play for. While ROR offer was a disaster, it is the Bouwmeester trade that is absolute disaster as it was pointed out. Not a Burke fun but Feaster had to go. Having said that ownership is the one responsible for the disaster that this team was, is, and will be for a while yet....

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#54 BurningSensation
March 01 2014, 08:38AM
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negrilcowboy wrote:

both buffalo and st louis win in this deal. millwer has the edge over halak, ott has truculence and is tough to play against. buffalo gains a first rounder and possibly a second first round pick, adding to the stable of fine young prospects. if the sabres exercise the isles pick this year, they may have the first 2 picks. addition of ekblad to rustolainen and the big russian looks to be a solid solid backend.

Agreed, a good move for both teams.

Miller is more than capable of stealing a series, and St Louis was already good enough that he may not even have to.

I completely understand what Buffalo gets from this, but Buffalo may be tearing down even more than I would have advised. They were at one point dressing three rookie D-men, and Cody Hodgson is simply not a #1 C. They have gaps all over the forward units that aren't easily filled, and I'd say are now missing the cushion of vets needed to give the youngsters oxygen. That said, the Sabres have a lot of nice pieces for a rebuild already in place (Myers, Pysyk, Zadorov, Grigorenko, Armia, etc.), and they will be more fun to watch in a couple of years.

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#55 BurningSensation
March 01 2014, 08:55AM
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Burning, would Poirier and Jarncrock or Jurco and Oulette be better than what we got??? Cause that's what we could have got as opposed to what Feaster settled for 5 days before the deadline.

The fact is Feaster did not get 'killed' in the J-Bo deal (the original point of discussion) because empirically speaking Poirier is exactly the kind of player you hope you can get in return when you deal a guy the caliber of JBo.

Here's the thing, there is no confirmation I am aware of what the Detroit offer actually was (unlike the Iggy deal where we know the details because Chiarelli spilled them), so it is impossible to say Detroit's offer would have been better because we don't yet know what it was.

That said, at the time I preferred the rumoured Ouellete, Jarnkrok and a 2nd offer to what was received (a 1st, Cundari, Berra), but I have a hard time now watching Poirier undress defensemen and not think Feaster made the better call.

Consider too that Berra has improved by my eye as the season has progressed (from 'ohmygodno' to 'athleticbackupwithreboundissues'), to the point he might actually fetch something of value if we traded him.

If you want to say that Feaster should have taken the Detroit offer instead, I'd say you have an argument.

If you say Feaster got killed when he dealt JBo, I'll say you are wrong and just point out that if you slow down the third goal Poirier scores in that clip, you can see the precise moment he breaks the defender's soul.

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#56 Walter White
March 01 2014, 09:01AM
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coachedpotatoe wrote:

Heat lose 4-3 in the shoot out. WW favorite Rhino with 2 goals, Sven had 1 and 1. The Buffalo/St L trade is more our less a saw off until you see what Buffalo drafts; if they get a grade A player they win, if not and St L wins the cup they win. More importantly for us as Flames fans will this cause other contenders to possibly over pay for the likes of Cammi, Stemp, or Hudler now that they see StL going all in(I wonder if they are done, I will have to check capgeek)

"WW favorite Rhino with 2 goals"

Hopefully there were some scouts from other teams in the stands......

WW

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#57 Kmp
March 01 2014, 09:02AM
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Harrison Ruopp-truculence and right d and Josh Archibald-speed and effort. Fills 2 orginizational needs, RD and RW.

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#58 Primo
March 01 2014, 09:03AM
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BurningSensation wrote:

The fact is Feaster did not get 'killed' in the J-Bo deal (the original point of discussion) because empirically speaking Poirier is exactly the kind of player you hope you can get in return when you deal a guy the caliber of JBo.

Here's the thing, there is no confirmation I am aware of what the Detroit offer actually was (unlike the Iggy deal where we know the details because Chiarelli spilled them), so it is impossible to say Detroit's offer would have been better because we don't yet know what it was.

That said, at the time I preferred the rumoured Ouellete, Jarnkrok and a 2nd offer to what was received (a 1st, Cundari, Berra), but I have a hard time now watching Poirier undress defensemen and not think Feaster made the better call.

Consider too that Berra has improved by my eye as the season has progressed (from 'ohmygodno' to 'athleticbackupwithreboundissues'), to the point he might actually fetch something of value if we traded him.

If you want to say that Feaster should have taken the Detroit offer instead, I'd say you have an argument.

If you say Feaster got killed when he dealt JBo, I'll say you are wrong and just point out that if you slow down the third goal Poirier scores in that clip, you can see the precise moment he breaks the defender's soul.

I am in the camp that says Feaster got killed in the trade!! Poirier appears to be an excellent return but the expectations were much greater for a world class defenseman with term left on his contract! Cundari and Berra are garbage returns and I also strongly agree that Feaster deserves to have been fired specifically for that trade.

At the risk of being accused of 'living in the past' by my friend coachedpotatoe I say we move on...I'm confident Burke will make amends !

...can't help but think Ty Rattie in a Flames uniform on the same line as Sven...dreaming.....

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#59 T&A4Flames
March 01 2014, 09:10AM
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@Primo

You should probably wake up. St Louis just made another major ass trade and STILL didn't give up Rattie. I really have to think, he's not going anywhere.

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#60 T&A4Flames
March 01 2014, 09:10AM
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@Kmp

Who are these guys, now?

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#61 Primo
March 01 2014, 09:25AM
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T&A4Flames wrote:

You should probably wake up. St Louis just made another major ass trade and STILL didn't give up Rattie. I really have to think, he's not going anywhere.

They most likely will not move Rattie as they rate him as one of there top 3 prospects...but never say never! The Blues are taking a serious run at a championship and I believe they are one or two players from achieving that goal. They are not done with player movement.

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#62 BurningSensation
March 01 2014, 10:18AM
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Primo wrote:

I am in the camp that says Feaster got killed in the trade!! Poirier appears to be an excellent return but the expectations were much greater for a world class defenseman with term left on his contract! Cundari and Berra are garbage returns and I also strongly agree that Feaster deserves to have been fired specifically for that trade.

At the risk of being accused of 'living in the past' by my friend coachedpotatoe I say we move on...I'm confident Burke will make amends !

...can't help but think Ty Rattie in a Flames uniform on the same line as Sven...dreaming.....

He was indeed a world class defender with term left on his contract.

- and a NTC - and well below average offense for his role - a big $ tag with years left to run on it - and a NTC

Did I mention he had a NTC? He had a NTC.

My real point is that you can't on the one hand say Feaster got hosed, and then on the other look at Poirier and say 'he's an excellent return'.

Quibble over whether the Detroit offer was better or not (it wasn't), but landing Poirier in the deal for JBo is simply not a bad thing.

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#63 kmp
March 01 2014, 10:46AM
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T&A4Flames wrote:

Who are these guys, now?

Archibald is a junior RW at Nebraska-Omaha scoring over a point a game-very fast, high energy guy.

Ruopp is a defensive RD, physical plays with an edge. Playing first year in AHL with Wilkes-Barre.

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#64 T&A4Flames
March 01 2014, 11:15AM
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Archibald is a junior RW at Nebraska-Omaha scoring over a point a game-very fast, high energy guy.

Ruopp is a defensive RD, physical plays with an edge. Playing first year in AHL with Wilkes-Barre.

Are they drafted? If so by who?

I still hope Burke offers a contract to Mitch Holmberg of the Spokane Cheifs

Name: Mitch Holmberg Number: 17 Position: Right Wing Shoots/Catches: Right Height 5'10" Weight 175 Birthdate: 1993-03-09 Hometown: Sherwood Park, AB

2013-14 Regular Season Spokane Chiefs 64 57 50 107 31 21

Undrafted.

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#66 negrilcowboy
March 01 2014, 11:58AM
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@BurningSensation

jt compher and mccabe as well in the stable. the sabres have a ton of capspace available for some ufa signings. callahan is a local kid, as is paddy kane, however i doubt if the hawks would make him available any time soon.

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#67 Kmp
March 01 2014, 12:02PM
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@T&A4Flames

Ruopp was a 3rd rounder, Archibald was a 6th rounder. Drafted by Pittsburgh.

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#68 ChinookArch
March 01 2014, 12:55PM
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@BurningSensation

Keep selling. Regardless of what Poirier becomes, Jay Feaster was fleeced and Flames fans should be happy he cannot make trades on behalf of the team anymore.

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#69 Kevin R
March 01 2014, 01:11PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

He was indeed a world class defender with term left on his contract.

- and a NTC - and well below average offense for his role - a big $ tag with years left to run on it - and a NTC

Did I mention he had a NTC? He had a NTC.

My real point is that you can't on the one hand say Feaster got hosed, and then on the other look at Poirier and say 'he's an excellent return'.

Quibble over whether the Detroit offer was better or not (it wasn't), but landing Poirier in the deal for JBo is simply not a bad thing.

Cant agree with you sir. I am in that Feaster got hosed camp as well. A few reasons for that:

1/ JBO is a top 2 tough competition, high minute dman. These guys are rarely available & go for a premium. Cap hit may have been high but Flames could have carried some salary to get a monster return. He didn't. Even yet, the bare minimum is a 1st & probably should have gotten 2 firsts if you are taking guys like Cundari & Berra who didn't even come close to their top 10 prospects. Where ever we would have traded him to, we would have gotten a 1st, we could have gotten Porrier either way, so I put less stock in the Porrier return justifies the crud return.

2/There was no urgency to trade JBO at the TDL, we could have moved him at the draft when teams could have adjusted for his cap hit. We can speculate about whether he would have been available, but I have to believe we could have had Porrier with our Iggy pick. If Feaster had waited to the last day of the TDL, that Detroit offer could have improved drastically. That St Louis deal would have been there, maybe we could have gotten one of their top 10 prospects with Berra & that 1st, especially if Feaster had made it known we would just keep him &offer him at the Draft instead. You will never see Burke make that mistake. Feaster was out of his league when it came to trades. His drafting not so bad.

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#70 coachedpotatoe
March 01 2014, 01:41PM
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I am in the camp that says Feaster got killed in the trade!! Poirier appears to be an excellent return but the expectations were much greater for a world class defenseman with term left on his contract! Cundari and Berra are garbage returns and I also strongly agree that Feaster deserves to have been fired specifically for that trade.

At the risk of being accused of 'living in the past' by my friend coachedpotatoe I say we move on...I'm confident Burke will make amends !

...can't help but think Ty Rattie in a Flames uniform on the same line as Sven...dreaming.....

Primo: Now would I say that oops I already did. If you were in charge right now what would you trade to get Rattie? If the Blues think as highly as many do of him the cost will be high. Is he a better risk than Granlund or Johnny G? I wonder how many junior combo's have been reunited in the modern NHL and if so how effective have they been? I too hope that Burke makes some good deals although I am not as confident as others are.(It probably has something to do with how I view the game and how we should proceed with rebuild) Speculate away as to what it would cost and then it becomes more fun. Cheers Coachpotatoe

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#71 Primo
March 01 2014, 02:13PM
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Primo: Now would I say that oops I already did. If you were in charge right now what would you trade to get Rattie? If the Blues think as highly as many do of him the cost will be high. Is he a better risk than Granlund or Johnny G? I wonder how many junior combo's have been reunited in the modern NHL and if so how effective have they been? I too hope that Burke makes some good deals although I am not as confident as others are.(It probably has something to do with how I view the game and how we should proceed with rebuild) Speculate away as to what it would cost and then it becomes more fun. Cheers Coachpotatoe

Historically a team like the Blues making a serious run at the Cup will need and established veteran(s). An example is the '89 Flames. They needed one more move and traded Brett Hull (oops) for Ramage and Wamsley. I can remember Cliff Fletcher saying he needed a tough veteran defenseman and some depth in goal to complete his team. The rest is history.

Cammy and Glencross for Rattie will do it. If it's toughness they desire throw in Grats but make sure you get a second rounder with Rattie!

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#72 coachedpotatoe
March 01 2014, 03:36PM
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Primo wrote:

Historically a team like the Blues making a serious run at the Cup will need and established veteran(s). An example is the '89 Flames. They needed one more move and traded Brett Hull (oops) for Ramage and Wamsley. I can remember Cliff Fletcher saying he needed a tough veteran defenseman and some depth in goal to complete his team. The rest is history.

Cammy and Glencross for Rattie will do it. If it's toughness they desire throw in Grats but make sure you get a second rounder with Rattie!

This is interesting but highly unlikely based upon cap issues and GlenX NTC. the Blues are up tight against the cap.(if I read capgeek correctly)

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#73 Kevin R
March 01 2014, 07:39PM
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coachedpotatoe wrote:

This is interesting but highly unlikely based upon cap issues and GlenX NTC. the Blues are up tight against the cap.(if I read capgeek correctly)

Cammy can get a 1st or a 2nd + a prospect, Glencross can get at least a 1st & a prospect, you both thin Rattie is worth 2 1st's & prospects. Man have I got swamp land to sell you guys.

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#74 coachedpotatoe
March 02 2014, 07:33AM
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Kevin R wrote:

Cammy can get a 1st or a 2nd + a prospect, Glencross can get at least a 1st & a prospect, you both thin Rattie is worth 2 1st's & prospects. Man have I got swamp land to sell you guys.

Have you read and understood the whole conversation on Rattie? Primo likes Rattie and laments that we did get him in the Jbo trade, I asked him what he would give, he replies, I question his response. At no time have I said what I would trade for him,as I have not made a decision?

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#75 Kevin R
March 02 2014, 11:40AM
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Have you read and understood the whole conversation on Rattie? Primo likes Rattie and laments that we did get him in the Jbo trade, I asked him what he would give, he replies, I question his response. At no time have I said what I would trade for him,as I have not made a decision?

Fair enough, but your response only referred to Cap space & no mention that that type of price for Rattie is ridiculous. Hey it would be fun to see if Rattie & Sven could rekindle some Jr. magic at the NHL level, but wow, neither kid has proven anything at the NHL level. For that price I would tell StLou to keep him & get excited about Gaudreau & Arnold playing together. Maybe St Louis would give us Swartz & Tarasenko for Sven & a 2nd :)

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