The FN Faceoff: To Tank Or Not To Tank? (7pm MT, LIVE)

Ryan Pike
March 19 2014 03:10PM

Tonight, LIVE via Google Hangouts, YouTube and the magic of the Internet, join FlamesNation's Ryan Pike, Christian Roatis and Kent Wilson - and perhaps some special guests maybe - to discuss the hottest topics of the day.

For our first FN Faceoff, our topic is...

TO TANK, OR NOT TO TANK?

Is it better to lose and get a great draft pick, or is it more important to build a "winning culture" (or at least prevent the establishment of a losing one)? That is, as they say, the question. Join in via Google Hangouts, YouTube and/or on Twitter via #FNFaceoff.

And if you can't join in live, watch the archive via YouTube and let us know what you think!

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Ryan Pike is a Calgary native and FlamesNation's managing editor. He's covered the Flames and the NHL since 2010. His work can also be found at The Hockey Writers and The Wrestling Observer.
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#51 suba steve
March 20 2014, 01:10PM
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@piscera.infada

"top picks ensure elite players"

I didn't/wouldn't say that.

However, looking at the top 10 teams in the standings currently, picks they have had in the top 10 and top 5 since 2004 entry draft:

StL-4 top 10 picks, 2 of those were top 5 picks

Bos-4,2

Ana-3, 1

SJ-2 (Thornton/Marleau etc. preceded my time frame here), 0

Chi-4, 3

Pit-3, 3

Col-3, 3

TBL-4, 2

Mtl-2, 2

LA-3, 3

Is it fair for me to say that to become an elite team, the Flames NEED to accumulate a few more very high draft picks? So, to gain those picks the Flames either have to have a few "off" years, or gain (in trade) some early picks from some other lowly teams.

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#52 piscera.infada
March 20 2014, 01:36PM
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That's fair to say and I agree with that. I never disputed that point. In fact, if you read my earlier post, I said as much. It's the notion that a team must finish with a first overall draft pick, or must finish with two or three or more top-3 draft picks to be successful, that I dispute.

The Flames will, after this season, have drafted in the top-10 twice, with (I'm sure) another one or two in the coming years (I would assume at least one of those will be even higher). What's the problem with that? They won some games and the draft pick might not be top-3, but it's still likely to net them a good to great player. I'm just not going to sit here and be happy with losses roll in. I've seen some big positives this year, and "winning culture" or not, I'm refuse to say that missing out on Ekblad, Reinhart, Bennet, etc. is going to undo those positives.

I guess I'm just more of the mind that if you've structurally tanking (ie: dressing and AHL team), and it just doesn't take, then at least you've been able to evaluate some players, and your draft pick is just going to fall where it falls. You better hope your scouts have done their job.

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#53 Tenbrucelees
March 21 2014, 04:30AM
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It's very simple In my mind.

You ice the best team available to you and you expect them to play as well as they can each every game.

You do this until the last match of the season at which point you look at the table and see where you stand in terms of where the team drafts.

You then pick the best player available to you.

There should be no efforts to try and strategically control your finishing place.

I know it's an idealistic point of view but as another poster stated, integrity is important to my personal enjoyment of sport and I couldn't care less if the flames were the only ones not demeaning themselves and the game by manipulating their position. Actually I would be proud of the fact.

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#54 ?
March 23 2014, 08:19PM
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The Flames should TRY to win. Tanking doesn't seem okay with me. If they lose, that's fine, but don't lose on purpose (or in mgmt's case, play Joey Macdonald).

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