Flames 2014 Trade Deadline Primer

Christian Roatis
March 04 2014 02:14PM

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The most astute of hockey inclined calendar experts will notice a typo relating to the holiday Christmas. It's listed as the 25th of December on your standard, run of the mill calendar, when in fact it should be the 5th of March. After all, that's when the Trade Deadline is scheduled this year.

For many NHL enthusiasts, this is one of the best days of the 365 we have at our disposal, yearly. We book the day off work or school - the reasoning we give is usually less than truthful, *cough* *sniffle* - and flip on TSN's Tradecentre for a glorious 10 hours (no offense to Sportsnet). Watching the ever talented James Duthie stall for the first four or so hours before the first trade is usually made is just as enjoyable as hearing the "Insiders" break the blockbusters.

The Flames always seem to sneak into the picture one way or another at the Deadline, but this year they're primed to take a front and center position. Outside of maybe Mike Cammalleri, they probably won't be involved in a massive blockbuster deal, but they could very well be the busiest team on Wednesday - Burke has hinted as much. The Flames have many pieces in play that could add the needed depth a contender requires when making a run at Lord Stanley's hardware.

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Mike Cammalleri is the obvious one, and we've taken a look at 4 landing spots (LA, NJ, PIT, PHX) speculated at being likely ones but fact is there are a few other teams that could have interest in Cammi.

Anaheim is one team feeling the heat after St. Louis loaded up with Miller and Ott. The Ducks are not only one have one of the best NHL rosters, but also one of the best prospect bases. Guys like Emerson Etem and Hampus Lindholm are the calibre of prospect I'd take straight up for Cammalleri. Others like William Karlsson, Rickard Rakell and Stefan Noeson aren't too far behind. Corey Pronman ranked the Ducks' top prospects last summer, so you can take a look and cobble a deal together yourself. 

The Tampa Bay Lightning and New York Rangers are two teams that have been mentioned in Cammalleri rumours. The Bolts are also stacked at the prospect level (rid your mind of that Jonathan Drouin scenario) and could offer up a healthy return for the 31 year old. In New York, JT Miller is a top gun prospect there (he was a line-mate of Johnny Gaudreau's at last year's World Juniors), with former Oil King Michael St. Croix and defenseman Brady Skjei being other solid prospects the Flames could look at. 

The Ottawa Senators have been rumored to be sniffing around at Matt Moulson in their quest to find Spezza a winger and if that falls through, they could look to the Flames and Cammi as a solution. 

Finally, the Toronto Maple Leafs are reportedly for some reason open to dealing Nazem Kadri or Jake Gardiner. Do you do a straight up deal for one of those two with Cammalleri? Although, in Kadri's case, you'd probably need to add a little something more to make that work.

Lee Stempniak is a guy who hasn't been attracting quite as much attention as Cammalleri, but may very well be on the move as well. The 31 year old as had an up and down year with the Flames and is an UFA at season's end. 

Teams like the Tampa Bay Lightning, Phoenix Coyotes, St. Louis Blues and Detroit Red Wings have been mentioned as potential suitors for the skilled, yet gritty winger. The list is probably much longer though, as I'm sure any contender wouldn't mind adding a middle tier scorer that can grind tough minutes in the playoffs. 

The return for Stempniak will be nowhere near that for Cammalleri, but he could still land a pick or prospect - maybe even a combo of the two. My best case scenario for Stempniak is a 2nd rounder, with the realistic one being a decent, "B" prospect.

It was also mentioned by Bruce Garrioch of the Ottawa Sun on the weekend that some teams are kicking tires on TJ Galiardi. The 25 year old could add to the much belabored element of depth on a contending roster. Galiardi probably won't fetch much on the open market and if he's dealt it'll probably end up being a Blake Comeau, low draft pick, type deal. Best case scenario for me is a 3rd round pick, although a 4th/5th seems a lot more likely.

Jiri Hudler probably isn't going anywhere but if someone offers a real juicy deal (1st round pick +), you need to consider it, right? I wonder if Hudler is worth more than Cammalleri on the open market? I'm inclined to say yes.

Defenseman

We might make fun of Chris Butler a lot around these parts, but apparently some teams are considering making a play for him. There's much talk of Andrew MacDonald out of Long Island and how the asking price is a 1st round pick (The Flyers acquired him today), so Chris Butler, who adds similar elements to the game in my opinion, could also fetch a decent return. 

Best case scenario for Butler would be a 3rd rounder, although I think Burke should try and package him with someone else (Cammalleri, maybe?) and get a better return with the combo.

Ladislav Smid has been very serviceable in his time with the Flames in my humble opinion and he's exactly the type of depth defenseman teams win with. He'd put his soul in front of a shot if it meant winning the hockey game, especially a playoff one. Poor guy has been living the rebuild life for about his entire pro career. 

The Washington Capitals were noted as allegedly having interest in the 28 year old. Smid has another 3 years left on his deal after this one so a player for picks/prospect genre of deal may not work out in this case. Burke mentioned he wanted to do some "hockey deals" as well, so this might be one. Maybe he can copy some of David Poile's Erat magic and snag a top prospect from Washington? Probably not.

If someone offers you an asset for Shane O'Brien, you totally take it and funny enough there was talk that some teams were inquiring about the defenseman listed as "buried" on Cap Geek. Don't hold your breath on that one though. 

Dennis Wideman is another guy who the Flames might shop around to gauge interest but the money ($5.25 million), term (3 more years) and play (poor) may scare teams away. It probably doesn't make sense to give Wideman away at this point when you'll need to reach the cap floor next summer. Plus, as the team improves slowly, they may acquire some more offensive talent that could pad Wideman's stats on the power-play and the Flames could flip him for some real value.

Finally, there are kids like Sven Baertschi, Johnny Gaudreau, Max Reinhart and Mark Jankowski who may garner some interest from other teams. Jankowski and Baertschi don't seem to have Burke's support, so there's an off-chance they could be included in a "hockey deal". That said, the Flames are more interested in retaining their youth than dealing it, so there's not a high probability of any of these guys moving. 

Sum It Up

With lot's of moving parts and not a lot of trades - like past years - heading into the day, this Deadline promises to be an exciting, eventful one. The Flames could be a oft mentioned name on broadcasts for the moves they make - or the ones they don't. Burke has let it be known he's not a patient man and I doubt he waits until the Draft in June to do something significant if he has the opportunity to do it tomorrow. So buckle up, friends, we're in for a fun one!

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Christian Roatis is a European by birth, Calgarian by heart. Other than writing at FlamesNation, he writes about and scouts NHL Draft Prospects at Future Considerations. Follow him on Twitter @CRoatis!
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#1 Captain Ron
March 04 2014, 04:55PM
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If I was Luongo I would tweet out a picture of me driving away looking in the rear view mirror with a silhouette of Rogers Arena and Vancouver in the background and my middle finger sticking straight up high!

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#2 RexLibris
March 04 2014, 03:22PM
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Don't forget the recapture if Luongo retires before the end of his contract.

Oh those Canucks.

Schadenfreude can be an acquired taste, but wonderfully enjoyable at times.

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#3 kittensandcookies
March 04 2014, 02:51PM
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Holy pooper scooper Luongo got traded.

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#4 Kevin R
March 04 2014, 03:13PM
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Parallex wrote:

Markstrom & Mattias (with Van retaining some of Luongo's $$) sounds like.

Pity, I was hoping that they'd be stuck with that deal and the Canucks decline would be long and hard.

Well, they'll be stuck with part of that salary for the next how many years. I would say the return was OK if they still had Schneider. So look at the big picture, Horvat, Markstrom & Mattias & eat part of Luongo salary for 2 Franchise goalies in Schneider & Luongo. How does Gillis have a job?

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#5 Purple Hazze
March 04 2014, 05:07PM
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Captain Ron wrote:

If I was Luongo I would tweet out a picture of me driving away looking in the rear view mirror with a silhouette of Rogers Arena and Vancouver in the background and my middle finger sticking straight up high!

Apparently he's already left town, couldn't get out of there quick enough.

On a side note, reports are indicating that ticket prices in Florida are set to sky rocket to $12.

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#6 piscera.infada
March 04 2014, 05:13PM
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@Alsker

He was asked by the org to have media availability. Get your head outta your ass. But I guess the "bold move" of locking down Fasth was so ballsy you had to troll on over here from ON, just to give your brilliant insight. Thanks for that.

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#7 kittensandcookies
March 04 2014, 05:57PM
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RexLibris wrote:

When you break it down it comes to Phoenix turning Kyle Turris (3rd overall and believed by some commenters here on FN to be worth no more than a 4th round pick when he was sitting out) into a 2nd round pick and Antoine Vermette.

Poor asset management on that one.

Ottawa moved a pick and the highly though-of Rundblad to get him and he has filled in well.

Lesson is: don't get too attached to your prospects. This includes Gaudreau.

Wow, an Oilers fan telling Flames fans to not get attached to our prospects.

Your team is poo, and no matter how many words you manage to string together, they'll still be poo.

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#8 Bean-counting cowboy
March 04 2014, 03:41PM
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That Luongo trade blows me away! Bobby Lou with Tim Thomas. Remember those two beaking each other in the cup final? Lol.

Van City is a wreck right now. Kesler is as good as gone... the writing is on the wall.

Bet the Sedins are sure glad they re-signed!

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#9 piscera.infada
March 04 2014, 04:22PM
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@Lordmork

He didn't say "I'm going to be a buyer next season". He said "I'd like to be a buyer next season" - he also said "I'd like to be a buyer this season". Yeah, semantics, but really? Come on.

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#10 Captain Ron
March 04 2014, 07:33PM
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T&A4Flames wrote:

Anyone remember that troll Todd from Van? Where's that piece of garbage now?

Doing his time in prison after the game 7 riot participants were convicted no doubt.

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#11 beloch
March 04 2014, 05:31PM
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In the presser he made these points:

1. He wants size.
2. He values prospects more than picks, but still values picks.
3. He's willing to retain salary.
4. He's willing to take on bad contracts.

I'm sure most GM's in the market already had a good idea of what Burke was looking for, but this presser will clear up any doubts they may have had and, if nothing else, at least bring Burke and the Flames to the front of their minds. It's a small thing, but it was probably worth 15 minutes of Burke's lunch-hour. If Burke jumps one other GM in the right trade-partner's calling list, that could be the difference between a sweet trade and UFA's walking.

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#12 lionlager
March 04 2014, 04:22PM
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Oh how sweet it is to see Vancouver implode. These moves really seem like they might be franchise crippling. Sweet, sweet schadenfreude...

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#13 beloch
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Mattias is a sheltered bottom 6 center who is 26 and doesn't have great possession. Markstrom is a #2 backup for Florida with a NHL career sv% of 0.898 who is currently 24 and is 0.874 in 12 games this season. He's a bit like a younger version of MacBackup. Perhaps more like Berra or Ramo, only not as good. There's certainly a whiff of upside there, but he sure sucks right now! Really, this has to be a disappointing return for Luongo given that the Canucks took on some of his salary.

A bottom 6 center fills Vancouver's immediate needs since they've had some injuries down the middle of the ice. Markstrom is now the Canucks' #1 backup goalie. They will likely have to spell Lack at some point down the stretch due to the compressed schedule, so expect them to miss out on at least a couple of points because of Markstrom. Even if Lack continues to play well next season, they're going to need a better backup for him. I'm not sure if Vancouver has any quality goalie prospects in their system ready to step up either. Joacim Eriksson was called up for a game earlier this season, but got lit up and was immediately sent back down.

Vancouver's odds of making the playoffs just hit a brick wall without a helmet on. This news is great for the Flames though, even beyond schadenfreude. Florida is tied with Calgary in the standings, but have been making do with below average tending from Tim Thomas and some pretty awful backups. Luongo should give them a nice boost down the stretch! This should gift the Flames with a better draft pick without the usual price of sucking more.

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#14 Kevin R
March 04 2014, 05:10PM
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Anyone else think that maybe Runblad & Brisebois for a 2nd round pick is a smoking good deal. Why wouldn't we look at a deal like that??? Friggin Chicago. Like WTF!!

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#15 T&A4Flames
March 04 2014, 06:39PM
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lionlager wrote:

Oh how sweet it is to see Vancouver implode. These moves really seem like they might be franchise crippling. Sweet, sweet schadenfreude...

Anyone remember that troll Todd from Van? Where's that piece of garbage now?

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#16 Kevin R
March 04 2014, 02:51PM
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Andy Macdonald got a 2014 3rd & a 2015 2nd from Philly + a no name prospect. Maybe Butler can get you that 3rd or heaven forbid a 2nd.

Glad to see the amount of moves already today, wow, the type of trades you see tomorrow, cant imagine what tomorrow is going to be like. As scary as it will be, the longer we wait until tomorrow the better to get an improved return. Surprised to see a few of these guys sold for a 4th rounder. I think Cap space can be worth something & Burke makes some astute moves utilizing the boat load of cap space we have.

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#17 Keith Fredlund
March 04 2014, 05:48PM
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I think Burke just wanted to show everyone that he combed his hair. I'm also loving watching Vancouver destroy themselves. Love it!

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#18 Kevin R
March 04 2014, 05:04PM
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Alsker wrote:

So he said...?????..was this a political speech? He simply couldn't help himself, second busiest day of the NHL calendar and he needed his mug and ego front and center...misses the center of the universe does he??

Really??? Why would you care about how busy or how he attends to his tasks? He probably has his reasons for someones benefit for doing a pressor to update the media where things are at. But really, you criticize him for this? I guess haters gotta hate.

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#19 Lordmork
March 04 2014, 04:02PM
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I'm feeling A) a bit jealous of Buffalo, who seem to be able to turn lead into draft pics, and B) a little nervous about Burke's apparently plan to be a buying team next year. On point B, I'd probably also be nervous if he announced the plan was to tank hard for McDavid, so I guess it's damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

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#20 Kmp
March 04 2014, 05:37PM
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RexLibris wrote:

When you break it down it comes to Phoenix turning Kyle Turris (3rd overall and believed by some commenters here on FN to be worth no more than a 4th round pick when he was sitting out) into a 2nd round pick and Antoine Vermette.

Poor asset management on that one.

Ottawa moved a pick and the highly though-of Rundblad to get him and he has filled in well.

Lesson is: don't get too attached to your prospects. This includes Gaudreau.

Pretty sure Phoenix got Vermette from Columbus.

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#21 Kevin R
March 04 2014, 06:56PM
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RexLibris wrote:

When you break it down it comes to Phoenix turning Kyle Turris (3rd overall and believed by some commenters here on FN to be worth no more than a 4th round pick when he was sitting out) into a 2nd round pick and Antoine Vermette.

Poor asset management on that one.

Ottawa moved a pick and the highly though-of Rundblad to get him and he has filled in well.

Lesson is: don't get too attached to your prospects. This includes Gaudreau.

Kinda like Yakapoo eh? I don't remember people saying Turris was only worth a fourth, I think the conversation was whether we should have flipped Backlund for Turris & all the heated debate about what Backs was worth. But correct me if I'm wrong about that.

Still, how can you possibly come out with don't get too attached about our prospects, including Gaudreau? That would be like us saying on an Oiler thread to not get excited when you drafted Hall & Nugent -Hopkins or even Yaks for that matter. I remember many many Oil fans salivating when you signed J Schultz. Getting attached & excited about young players you hope will one day be top elite players is what being a fan & posting on forums is all about. Rex, you should be ashamed of yourself. I would have expected you to be all excited about getting Fasth. Anyway, forgive me if I don't pay attention to the lesson.:)

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#22 theartfuldodger
March 04 2014, 09:00PM
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Cory Conacher on waivers.....is this a player the Flames would be interested in? Wasnt he a top prospect?

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#23 mattyc
March 04 2014, 03:58PM
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I think the playoff chances hit a wall when Daniel Sedin got injured at the Heritage Classic.

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#24 Primo
March 05 2014, 09:06AM
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flameon47 wrote:

How about Cammy and Bulter to Winnipeg for Scheifele and a pick? May have to eat up some of cammy's contract. Or maybe just Cammy and bulter and a fifth for trouba?

Your kidding right?

If you want either one of those guys from the Jets you will need to put Gio and Monahan in play. Those guys are the Jets top 2 young players in their organization.

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#25 Kevin R
March 04 2014, 02:55PM
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kittensandcookies wrote:

Holy pooper scooper Luongo got traded.

Holy crap! I wonder what's going back in return! With D Sedin going down indefinitely, they seem to be going in sell mode.

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#27 Kevin R
March 04 2014, 07:10PM
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T&A4Flames wrote:

Uhhhhh, yea I'm so very pissed that we didn't get in on that. Our 3rd wouldn't have been much lower that CHI 2nd and we didn't need Brisebois. And to think we were thinking Cammi +. Brutal.

Burke shouldn't have been blabbin' to the media but on the freakin' phone with PHO.

Well I think Burkes asking price was higher than the Runblad + a 2nd we were putting out there. The kid couldn't break into Ottawa's defence & now Phoenix as well. You gotta wonder.

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#28 Captain Ron
March 04 2014, 07:37PM
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Kevin R wrote:

Kinda like Yakapoo eh? I don't remember people saying Turris was only worth a fourth, I think the conversation was whether we should have flipped Backlund for Turris & all the heated debate about what Backs was worth. But correct me if I'm wrong about that.

Still, how can you possibly come out with don't get too attached about our prospects, including Gaudreau? That would be like us saying on an Oiler thread to not get excited when you drafted Hall & Nugent -Hopkins or even Yaks for that matter. I remember many many Oil fans salivating when you signed J Schultz. Getting attached & excited about young players you hope will one day be top elite players is what being a fan & posting on forums is all about. Rex, you should be ashamed of yourself. I would have expected you to be all excited about getting Fasth. Anyway, forgive me if I don't pay attention to the lesson.:)

Once again you are correct in your assertions. Cheers Kevin!

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#29 Alsker
March 04 2014, 04:47PM
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piscera.infada wrote:

He didn't say "I'm going to be a buyer next season". He said "I'd like to be a buyer next season" - he also said "I'd like to be a buyer this season". Yeah, semantics, but really? Come on.

So he said...?????..was this a political speech? He simply couldn't help himself, second busiest day of the NHL calendar and he needed his mug and ego front and center...misses the center of the universe does he??

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#30 RexLibris
March 04 2014, 06:06PM
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Yes. They are.

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#31 BurningSensation
March 04 2014, 07:22PM
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Christian Roatis wrote:

Isn't that what it says?

Sorry, I appear to be losing my mind.

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#32 Primo
March 04 2014, 08:16PM
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My gut feel at this point is that Burke will not be able to get the return he is looking for in the Cammy trade. He will end up signing him (overpay if necessary) to secure the asset and in turn trade him in the future at some point. That is good business if that is where it all ends up.

Ditto for Stempniak.

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#33 Baalzamon
March 05 2014, 08:40AM
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Or maybe just Cammy and bulter and a fifth for trouba

And people think my trade suggestions are bad..

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#34 BurningSensation
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Primo wrote:

Your kidding right?

If you want either one of those guys from the Jets you will need to put Gio and Monahan in play. Those guys are the Jets top 2 young players in their organization.

It's like the OIler fans clamouring for Gagner to be traded to Philly for Couture. At some point, you have to stop putting wishful thinking into a needle and jamming it into your arm.

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#35 RexLibris
March 04 2014, 05:29PM
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Kevin R wrote:

Anyone else think that maybe Runblad & Brisebois for a 2nd round pick is a smoking good deal. Why wouldn't we look at a deal like that??? Friggin Chicago. Like WTF!!

When you break it down it comes to Phoenix turning Kyle Turris (3rd overall and believed by some commenters here on FN to be worth no more than a 4th round pick when he was sitting out) into a 2nd round pick and Antoine Vermette.

Poor asset management on that one.

Ottawa moved a pick and the highly though-of Rundblad to get him and he has filled in well.

Lesson is: don't get too attached to your prospects. This includes Gaudreau.

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#36 T&A4Flames
March 04 2014, 06:43PM
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Kevin R wrote:

Anyone else think that maybe Runblad & Brisebois for a 2nd round pick is a smoking good deal. Why wouldn't we look at a deal like that??? Friggin Chicago. Like WTF!!

Uhhhhh, yea I'm so very pissed that we didn't get in on that. Our 3rd wouldn't have been much lower that CHI 2nd and we didn't need Brisebois. And to think we were thinking Cammi +. Brutal.

Burke shouldn't have been blabbin' to the media but on the freakin' phone with PHO.

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#37 SeanFrickenMonahan
March 04 2014, 06:46PM
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I long for the days of meaningful 'battle of Alberta' games. Clearly I'm cheering for a string of flames championships, but meaningful games in Alberta would be wonderful. Nostalgia much?

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#38 Burnward
March 05 2014, 05:56AM
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Random, baseless trade prediction:

To CGY: J. Staal, Cam Ward

To CAR: M. Backlund, D. Wideman, TJ Galiardi, 2015 2nd Rd.

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#39 MichaelD
March 05 2014, 06:33AM
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Hey look at that, Feaster is on TSN now

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#40 T&A4Flames
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Frank Miron wrote:

How come Conacher has not been picked up by the Flames ??? Come on the kid has talent... we never know !

Short answer,

5'8"

No pun intended.

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#41 Bean-counting cowboy
March 05 2014, 09:34AM
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How does Glen Sather still have a job?

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#42 T&A4Flames
March 05 2014, 09:58AM
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So now Cammi to the Lightning for that newly acquired 2015 1st?

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#43 BurningSensation
March 04 2014, 02:24PM
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I think you mean to say that Ottawa has been looking for a wing to play with Spezza - since Spezza is the center.

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#44 Parallex
March 04 2014, 03:00PM
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Kevin R wrote:

Holy crap! I wonder what's going back in return! With D Sedin going down indefinitely, they seem to be going in sell mode.

Markstrom & Mattias (with Van retaining some of Luongo's $$) sounds like.

Pity, I was hoping that they'd be stuck with that deal and the Canucks decline would be long and hard.

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#45 wot96
March 04 2014, 03:52PM
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Anyone else think the Boyes resigning at that term and money dictates about the same for Cammi and Stemps?

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#46 Captain Ron
March 04 2014, 07:20PM
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Purple Hazze wrote:

Apparently he's already left town, couldn't get out of there quick enough.

On a side note, reports are indicating that ticket prices in Florida are set to sky rocket to $12.

Haha I would too. I'd carry my suitcase into the press conference and walk out smiling with one of those big cheesy grins when it was over!

Cheap hockey in Florida! 90% off sale!

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#47 flameon47
March 05 2014, 12:50AM
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How about Cammy and Bulter to Winnipeg for Scheifele and a pick? May have to eat up some of cammy's contract. Or maybe just Cammy and bulter and a fifth for trouba?

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#48 Frank Miron
March 05 2014, 08:31AM
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They said on TSN that Corban Knight and Max Reinhart have been recalled.... a move soon ?

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#49 vowswithin
March 05 2014, 08:53AM
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Hmm could the Jets need Stajan? Mark Scheifele is mcl and out for 6-8

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#50 Alsker
March 04 2014, 03:56PM
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Re: Lou...3 more yeasrs @ 6.7M/salary then the last 4 years combined barely total that figure..will he really play for 1M$/season or does he screw the Cansucks like they did him....4 years@5.7M caphit would be great for Vcr to swallow. Why the press conference today fLames? Did Burke need to see his mug on TSN or was there a true reason?

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